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Started by Kaeren, December 10, 2007, 01:38:37 AM

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Kaeren

Quote from: Cindi Jones on December 10, 2007, 02:07:44 PM
My interpretation of John the Revelator is that he was smoking Myhr or something. ;)  I find almost all that he wrote to be very difficult to interpret since they were non literal visions.

My doctrinal understanding (from the Mormon perspective from which I have been cut off), is that Christ will be a man, the literal son of God (who is also male).

My personal view is that the second coming of Christ will be a period of peace that we the people can initiate when ever we want to.  The principal message of Christ was peace and love. THAT is HIS essence. That's all we have to do.... quit bickering and fighting... and start helping those in need.  I don't know of anyone else who shares my view of this.  But  it is consistent with a broad understanding of the scriptures, a mediocre knowledge of history, and falls in line with my current beliefs.

Cindi

I share your view. But it's not because we want something that it also happens.  Peace and living in harmony should be the final outcome but many seem to disagree.  And I'm afraid a war before will happen no matter what.  Not that I would personally like that idea. I don't.

But the arabs will not let go.  Things are already too far. They want to create a muslim world everywhere. 



Posted on: December 11, 2007, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: tekla on December 10, 2007, 03:17:10 PM
"The anti-christ could be already among us."  I'm voting for Dick Cheney myself.

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Satan comes as a man of peace.



Nostradamus talks about Mabus as the third antichrist. To me that looks as a combination of Bush and Obama. Or Bush and Osama. The first antichrist was Napoleon and the second one was Hitler.

Bush certainly comes as a man of peace. Still, sometimes I see a reason in why he does what he does.

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Nero

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Kaeren

Don't blame me. Blame Nostradamus, a french guy by the way ! I'm in favour of Liberte, fraternité and .... . I love the french. I think it's a cool country, the best in the world. Paris !!! 

A bit chauvinistic perhaps but .... truly extra-ordinary.

But Napoleon was however responsible for the death of many people. As always the good and the bad go together.  And it is thanks to Napoleon that France is a republic ( or am I wrong ? ) and our legal system is also thanks to Napoleon.




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Nero

Quote from: Kaeren on December 11, 2007, 01:39:27 PM
Don't blame me. Blame Nostradamus, a french guy by the way ! I'm in favour of Liberte, fraternité and .... . I love the french. I think it's a cool country, the best in the world. Paris !!! 

A bit chauvinistic perhaps but .... truly extra-ordinary.

But Napoleon was however responsible for the death of many people. As always the good and the bad go together.  And it is thanks to Napoleon that France is a republic ( or am I wrong ? ) and our legal system is also thanks to Napoleon.







not responsible for any deaths. war is war. but the rest is true. also america has long forgotten she owes it all to him.
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Kaeren

You know, I'm new here.  ... I suppose I don't know what can be said or not. If you read all my posts you will find somewhere I have felt close to the wife of Napoleon.  But you seem to take this personally. Blasphemy ? What are you talking about ?

I found your reaction shocking.

To the point I'm not sure my stay here will survive the next month.

With power comes responsability !!!



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Nero

Quote from: Kaeren on December 11, 2007, 01:55:10 PM
You know, I'm new here.  ... I suppose I don't know what can be said or not. If you read all my posts you will find somewhere I have felt close to the wife of Napoleon.  But you seem to take this personally. Blasphemy ? What are you talking about ?

I found your reaction shocking.

To the point I'm not sure my stay here will survive the next month.

With power comes responsability !!!





My apologies. This is one of those rare subjects in which I cannot be objective. I wish it were not so.
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tekla

"Nostradamus talks about Mabus as the third antichrist. To me that looks as a combination of Bush and Obama. Or Bush and Osama. The first antichrist was Napoleon and the second one was Hitler."

Gee, the Bible only has one anti-christ, Nostradamus has three - what?  Wasn't one enough?  And its hard to see either Napoleon or Hitler as men of peace. 

And you can't have a combo anti-christ.  Its like the end of all time, not a sandwich.  There is little doubt among scholars who study the stuff that the BoR - or as its called in its original Catholic version - The Book of the Apocalypse, that what all that is referring to is the Roman Empire, they just wrote it in a code/ allegory, as Rome tolerated little to no dissent.  That book refers to one, and only one anti-christ, after all how many princes of darkness can be running around anyway?

And what are the signs?  War, famine, disease, plagues, and civil unrest  - wow, tough call that one.  When have those things not been true?

Again I say, for the hundreds, thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of people who have professed the end time their combined, total batting record is zero.  Zip.  Nada. 

Every millennium was to be the end, until it wasn't.  Every change of the centuries was going to be, until they changed and nothing happened.  Countless cults over the years have given all all their earthly possessions and gone out to wait only to face what must be a pretty big disappointment.

And Mabus?  Could be a May Bus, or perhaps Madonna and Busby Berkeley - the end time as an S&M chorus line deal.  Or it could be Moe, ABba and US?   Really, we could play with all that forever and come up with all sorts of nonsense, and that's what any and all of Nostradomus is, nonsense.  Never been proven right, can't be proven wrong.

Or, since its known that Nostro like anagrams, it could be any one of thousands of combinations, with my favorite being SAMBU, which is close to Sambo, which may mean the anti-christ is being chased around a tree by a tiger, or perhaps eating pancakes off of some freeway exit.  And both explanations make about as much sense as any other.  And, as anyone who has ever been to a Sambo's restaurant will tell you, your pretty close to hell on earth.

P.S.

And our legal system was pretty much in place, from English Common Law long before Napoleon rode off to Waterloo.  The U.S. Constitution was written in 1787, ratified in 1788 and went into effect in 1789.   While Napoleon staged a coup d'état in 1799, and installed himself as First Consul, and five years later (1804) became the Emperor of the French.  But hey, if you are the anti-christ, perhaps time travel is within your power (but the wisdom of invading Russia in the fall, well even the almighty and eternal prince of all darkness can make bad choices I guess.)

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So far as has ever been proven, blasphemy is a victimless crime.


and, somewhere in the whole end-time deal old Epicurus (341-270 B.C.E.) raised his ugly old Greek head to ask (again)


If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.

If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.

If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?

If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Kaeren

Quote from: Nero on December 11, 2007, 02:59:52 PM

My apologies. This is one of those rare subjects in which I cannot be objective. I wish it were not so.

Accepted.

Thanks for putting my reputation on 1 again. It's not that it is my goal to get a reputation higher than score 1 but I would like to keep my number 1 at least.

I prefer your new image. It's a bit strange because now it looks exactly like my best friend Ann, my former girlfriend.

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Nero

Quote from: Kaeren on December 12, 2007, 12:55:01 AM
Quote from: Nero on December 11, 2007, 02:59:52 PM

My apologies. This is one of those rare subjects in which I cannot be objective. I wish it were not so.

Accepted.

Thanks for putting my reputation on 1 again. It's not that it is my goal to get a reputation higher than score 1 but I would like to keep my number 1 at least.

I prefer your new image. It's a bit strange because now it looks exactly like my best friend Ann, my former girlfriend.



do you know who she is?
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Kaeren


I don't know. Tell me.

I'd say it's my friend Ann. It looks like her 100 %



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Nero

She's Elizabeth Short/The Black Dahlia. She was an aspiring actress whose murder on January 15, 1947 is the greatest American mystery.
She's so lovely. Your friend must be also.
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Kaeren


My friend is alive and kicking. She's with a surgeon now. I don't think they will marry. But they are living together and have a child.  Her character is rather tough I'd say. She's also very religious, or at least her parents are.

When I was with her she was very open of character. We met in a pub in Gent. We saw each other 3 times, the third time was for her birthday.  Her sister was there also. She made spaghetti. Around 11 PM she asked me whether I wanted to have some more wine. I said : "No, I still have to drive home."  In fact I thought : "This is going nowhere. It will be goodbye for ever."  But then she said : "Take some more wine, you can stay here." I've slept a few times as a friend with her also. We were not together anymore but she didn't mind that I slept with her. Nothing special happened then.

And 10 years later we are still best friends.


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cindianna_jones

Quote from: Kaeren on December 11, 2007, 12:33:49 PM

But the arabs will not let go.  Things are already too far. They want to create a muslim world everywhere. 


I would submit that there are many in this country that "will not let go" who represent another religion.  They continually push their religion into my household and into my government.  Is this not the same thing only closer to home?  Shall we kill them?  ;)  I think not.

There is always a good (and quite often quite valid, I might add) reason not to make peace.  I believe that there are always possibilities that can be explored.  I do know that we don't try hard enough. 

Cindi
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Kate

Quote from: Wing Walker on December 10, 2007, 07:18:18 PM
The prophecy says that Jesus will return to shepherd His flock with an iron rod.  That tells me that he will be the leader of all and that politics will be a thing of the past.

Oh YAY.

Is there some sort of opt-out policy in the bible for all this Divine Battle stuff?

I'm not really big on this whole "taking sides" thing, lol...

~Kate~
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Kaeren

I read once somewhere the world would become some kind of theocracy.

Imagine this scenario.

The religious war between the muslims and the christians would first be won by the muslims.  America attacked, president killed by atomic warfare.  Italy and Rome attacked also.  But then later after the initial setback the christians win anyhow. The political leader of that time, the president of the united states of europ (for example) becomes the world emperor, makes an alliance with a new pope and starts a new religion. Christianity version 2.

And we all live happily ever after. A 1000 years of peace and prosperity.
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cindianna_jones

Or the Muslims and Christians kill each other off and the Buddhists and Hari Krishna are left watching on.

Cindi
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Kaeren

Let's hope nothing happens at all.

It's true, it's all guessing.
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tekla

It's not just 'all guessing.'  To date, it has all been incorrect guessing.  If I had bet on every single end time prophet to date being wrong, I'd still be waiting to lose my first bet.  So what is that a couple thousand, or ten thousand, or perhaps even millions to none? 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Kaeren

People are always willing to put lots and lots of energy in a possible little tiny advantage. In order to gain control over our lives. For every 1 hit there is 1000 or a 1 000 000 mistakes. Or even more. But without make those 999 999 mistakes you could never reach the one hit that will make all the difference.

Why would somebody go to school untill 34 years old if you can also start working when you are 16 ?  That is the same or not ?  One makes the choice of fast money while the other prefers to wait longer.

Whether Nostradamus was able to see the future or not. Or whether some prophecies in the bible or in any other book are correct or not isn't perhaps the real important matter here.  Fact is they are worth something for many people. 

The thing is that we should try to guess. And if we do then we just might suddenly find something that is correct. I read once an article about a company that did research on cancer treatments. They said that suddenly they found something by coincidence but what was most important of all was that they were able to see the importance of it. Somebody else who didn"t make all the mistakes would never have noticed.

For one tiny hit you need lots of mistakes.
For one star you need lost of "losers"

For one tiny little bit of mass you need lots of energy.

My religion is science by the way.  I am a technical person. But science also tells us that it is all vibration.  What makes it so different then from some "flower power people" from India smoking green grass and listening to vibrations all the time.

Obviously religion and astrology are no exact science.  To try to put it in such a box is a mistake.

Looking at the world I would say it is flat.  From my point of view it is also flat. But loking at it from a distance it is obviously a ball. Neither of both expressions is right nor wrong.

The same is true about evolution and the creation of the universe by God. I prefer evolution of course but as I can see there is also an evolution towards the other idea of the seven day creation. As well in the muslim world as in the western world ( the USA ).

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barbie

Kaeren,

I also am interested in prophecy.

QuoteII 29
L'oriental sortira de son siege,
Passer les monts Apennins, voir la Gaule,
Transpercera du ciel les eaux & neiges
En vn chacun frappera de sa gaule.

The Easterner will leave his seat,
To pass the Apennine mountains to see Gaul:
He will transpire the sky, the waters and the snow,
And everyone will be struck with his rod.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/nos/mrg/nosmrg02.htm

Similar paragraphs are also written in bible.

QuoteAnd after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+7&ver=kjv

In the above sentences of Nostradamus, "La Gaule" seems to denote French people. On the other hand, "sa gaule" is similar, but seems to mean a 'rod'.

In KJV bible, I guess the meaning of 'rod' of Nostradamus becomes clearer. The rod is "the seal in foreheads". I am not quite sure what you call it, but in the East Asia, the area between our two eyebrows can be translated loosely into "space for seal'. Traditionally, we believe Death marks that area. Also, most statues of Buddha have a gem in that area. In my country, some people think that area is 'the 3rd eye' to see the spiritual world. In the Revelation, I think the seal is not for death, but for survival.

Barbie~~
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