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Your relationship with your face?

Started by PurpleWolf, March 19, 2018, 03:32:53 PM

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Ryuichi13

Quote from: PurpleWolf on March 19, 2018, 03:32:53 PM
What is your relationship with your face and facial features?
Do you like your face? Has it changed a lot after HRT? Are you happy with the changes?

Do you have facial dysphoria? Do you wish your face were more masculine/feminine?
Do you think your face affects your passing? When do you experience dysphoria?

Have other people complimented your face or commented on it? Do you think you are judging your features more harshly than other people?

Have you had any surgeries or treatments on your face? Or do you plan to? Why? Have these helped?

Do you think you look strikingly different after being on HRT? Do you think you look more alien or just more you? Did you find it hard to see your face (that you've grown used to) changing...?

What do you think/feel when you see old and new pics of your face? Do you recognize yourself in the old photos or not anymore?

Is there something you liked about your 'old face' and wish that was still there? Or did you use to hate all your facial features before? Has this changed now?

Were you ever scared of the possible/inevitable changes...? (even a little bit? even if you were waiting for them?)

Is there something that surprised you in your facial changes after being on hormones you didn't expect?

When you now see yourself in the mirror, do you see an obvious man or a woman - or do you still find 'gender flaws'?

Do you now resemble more your famele/male relatives?

Is your face a big part of your identity as an individual? Do you feel like this more after being on hormones? Do you now see 'you' when you look in the mirror?

I think face is an interesting topic from a trans point of view - after all people have grown used to looking a certain way. Even if having dysphoria even about the face - your face changing might feel peculiar as face usually equals 'yourself', and must be a big part of everyone's identity as a person.

A lot of questions... no need to answer them all ofc!
This thread is also touching this topic:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,231549.msg2059212.html#msg2059212
When did you start recognizing yourself in the mirror (on hormones)?

Like usual, I"m going to answer these questions in order.  ;)

My face is okay.  I like it more since starting T, since its looking more masculine these days.  Yes, it has changed quite a bit.  One of my sisters says I now "look like Dad."  I took that as a high compliment! 

I woulnd't say I have "facial dysphoria" so much as "when is my facial hair going to REALLY start growing in???"  I have a slight beard now, and even slighter mustache, just enough to look somewhat male, but I wouldn't mind if I had twice the amount of facial hair.  Like I mentioned before, one of my sisters now thinks I look like my Dad.   I'm definitely judging my own face more harsh than others.  My gender therapist keeps telling me, "It'll grow, just give it time."  I know it will, but I want it NOWNOWNOWNOWNOW!

I have not had anything done to my face, nor do I plan on it.  I've been debating on using Minoxidil, but the expense of it while being on Disability is one I can do without.  So instead, I live vicariously through those on here that ARE using it.  Its probably the closest I'll get to it until my own facial hair grows in more.

I most definitely look different since being on T!  I now feel like a man with a woman's chest when I look topless into the mirror.  I need to get my top surgery done so I can get my chest to match my face.  I really didn't find the changes too alien until one day I looked in the mirror and didn't see "myself," but "a man's face with my eyes" looking back at me.  I was shocked!  I had gotten so used to looking at my mustache, my beard, and jawline that when I looked at myself that day and took in the whole picture, I didn't recognize myself!  Now I'm going through the process of looking at my entire face instead of bits and pieces, so I"m slowly getting used to my new face.

When I look at myself in old pics, its not alien, but its more like "I don't look like that anymore, and I'm glad!"  Im starting to look like how I always thought I should and that make me grin like crazy! I don't hate my old face, its simply a face I am happy to leave behind.  There's not much I would have remain about my old face, but I WOULD like less wrinkles around my eyes!  I"m older now, (56) and thus, I've acquired a few more than I had even a couple years ago. 

I was a bit afraid of the changes, after all, most of the visual and auditory ones are permanent.  I had to think long and hard about if I wanted to do that to my body, then I came to the realization that I wasn't really happy with my body, its just that after 54 years, I was used to how it looked and responded.  Once I realized that, it was easy for me to decide to start T.   

I think the only thing that surprised me about being on T is the sheer fact that I've actually grown ANY facial hair at all!  One of my brothers took 50 years to be able to grow a mustache!

I still see "gender flaws," like I said before, I could do with more facial hair.  I also occasionally still get misgendered, but those instances are a lot less nowadays.  95% of the time I am addressed as "sir," which even after nearly 16 months on T, still make me grin like a kid!  I've been called "a pretty boy" because of my eyes, but I don't mind that.  I even got a Pretty Boy shirt to emphasis it.

I think I look a lot like my brothers now, even with the sparsity of my facial hair.  I look like a 14 year old version of my brothers, something that pleases me to no end!

I suppose my face is a big part of who I am, after all, its what people first see when hey meet me for the first time, right?  I feel more comfortable with myself as a human being now, maybe that's something that's picked up on by new people I meet.  I'm not quite yet seeing "me" when I look in the mirror, but its slowly sinking in that "yup, that's me!" when I see myself now!

I answered as many as I can because I find your questions not only help me figure out things about myself I didn't even realize, but helps me explain myself TO myself.  Keep up the great work!

Ryuichi     


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Ryuichi13

Quote from: Kylo on March 22, 2018, 07:08:03 AM
Been meaning to check that app out for a while too on my other phone, been a while since I looked at my voice pitch


NICE!

I should re-try that app.  The last time I did, it said I was in the male range and that was good enough for me. I don't even remember where I was range-wise.

Ryuichi

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Peep

Quote from: Cassi on March 26, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
Easy for you all!  You have hair :(

but for how much longer haha T does have its downsides
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Cassi

Quote from: Peep on March 27, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
but for how much longer haha T does have its downsides

Yeah, you're right, lol.  I thought male baldness, which is suppose to be presented by percentage by age, i.e 20 years old 20%, 30 years 30% yadda yadda yadda.

Working on getting the rogaine at CostCo.  Even Kroger brand was almost 3 times what Costco's is :)
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Kylo

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on March 27, 2018, 11:52:15 AM
NICE!

I should re-try that app.  The last time I did, it said I was in the male range and that was good enough for me. I don't even remember where I was range-wise.

I tried it a few times to make sure it wasn't getting an erroneous reading. Seems like my voice is always somewhere between 85 and 83 Hz average.

Which I'm happy about, I feel a lot better about my voice now to the point of liking it (strange feeling). But it sure took its sweet time getting there, almost 1.5 years. I thought it was never gonna sound passable at first. I had visions I was going to sound like I'd been kicked in the nuts permanently, or stuck in the androgynous range.

I encountered a cis dude recently who had a fairly small Adam's apple as well which makes me feel somewhat better. T has given me a bit of growth on the larynx there but no major prominence, as we usually expect it wouldn't. I guess it's all right though, it doesn't seem to affect the depth of a person's voice all that much directly. I guess most of it is in the size of the cords and the passage the air's going through rather than the amount of cartilage laid on outside.
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Ryuichi13

Quote from: Kylo on March 27, 2018, 07:06:47 PM
I tried it a few times to make sure it wasn't getting an erroneous reading. Seems like my voice is always somewhere between 85 and 83 Hz average.

Which I'm happy about, I feel a lot better about my voice now to the point of liking it (strange feeling). But it sure took its sweet time getting there, almost 1.5 years. I thought it was never gonna sound passable at first. I had visions I was going to sound like I'd been kicked in the nuts permanently, or stuck in the androgynous range.

I encountered a cis dude recently who had a fairly small Adam's apple as well which makes me feel somewhat better. T has given me a bit of growth on the larynx there but no major prominence, as we usually expect it wouldn't. I guess it's all right though, it doesn't seem to affect the depth of a person's voice all that much directly. I guess most of it is in the size of the cords and the passage the air's going through rather than the amount of cartilage laid on outside.

Since I'm somewhat stocky, my neck is relatively thick.  My Adam's Apple simply doens't show.  I'm going to have to look at my brothers' to see if theirs show, they're all chubbier than I am. 



I've only used this app twice, since my voice started deepening pretty dramatically after only a month or so after starting T.  I went from 139Hz after only two months on T down to 121Hz.  I'm pretty happy with where I am!  ;D

Ryuichi


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PurpleWolf

Quote from: Kylo on March 27, 2018, 07:06:47 PM
I tried it a few times to make sure it wasn't getting an erroneous reading. Seems like my I thought it was never gonna sound passable at first. I had visions I was going to sound like I'd been kicked in the nuts permanently, or stuck in the androgynous range.
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PurpleWolf

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on March 26, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
I answered as many as I can because I find your questions not only help me figure out things about myself I didn't even realize, but helps me explain myself TO myself.  Keep up the great work!

Ryuichi   
Thanks  :laugh:!!! Made my day!!!!!
!!!REBIRTH=legal name change on Feb 16th 2018!!!
This is where life begins for me. It's a miracle I finally got it done.


My body is the home of my soul; not the other way around.

I'm more than anything an individual; I'm too complex to be put in any box.

- A social butterfly not living in social isolation anymore  ;D -
(Highly approachable but difficult to grasp)


The past is overrated - why stick with it when you are able to recreate yourself every day
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PurpleWolf

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on March 28, 2018, 11:27:29 PM
;D  Glad I could! 

Ryuichi

Still think your profile pic is so damn cool  ;D!!! Don't change it xD
!!!REBIRTH=legal name change on Feb 16th 2018!!!
This is where life begins for me. It's a miracle I finally got it done.


My body is the home of my soul; not the other way around.

I'm more than anything an individual; I'm too complex to be put in any box.

- A social butterfly not living in social isolation anymore  ;D -
(Highly approachable but difficult to grasp)


The past is overrated - why stick with it when you are able to recreate yourself every day
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Ryuichi13

Quote from: PurpleWolf on March 28, 2018, 11:33:06 PM
Still think your profile pic is so damn cool  ;D!!! Don't change it xD

Thanks! :)

Oh man, that pic is not only pre-T, but I was cosplaying at the time!  (The facial hair is painted on with makeup.)  I was just thinking a few days ago, "I don't have any nice pics of myself since growing my own facial hair, I need to take new ones."

Maybe I'll take a new one when I go to the anime con near me this July.  I also need a new Facebook one that shows my new, finally authentic self!

Ryuichi 


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PurpleWolf

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on March 28, 2018, 11:41:39 PM
Oh man, that pic is not only pre-T, but I was cosplaying at the time!  (The facial hair is painted on with makeup.) 
Anyway it looks cool and authentic in that pic  :D!
Do you look like that now as well?

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on March 28, 2018, 11:41:39 PM
I was just thinking a few days ago, "I don't have any nice pics of myself since growing my own facial hair, I need to take new ones."

Maybe I'll take a new one when I go to the anime con near me this July.  I also need a new Facebook one that shows my new, finally authentic self!
Okay, can't wait for the new pic  :D!
!!!REBIRTH=legal name change on Feb 16th 2018!!!
This is where life begins for me. It's a miracle I finally got it done.


My body is the home of my soul; not the other way around.

I'm more than anything an individual; I'm too complex to be put in any box.

- A social butterfly not living in social isolation anymore  ;D -
(Highly approachable but difficult to grasp)


The past is overrated - why stick with it when you are able to recreate yourself every day
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Ryuichi13

Quote from: PurpleWolf on March 29, 2018, 12:21:19 AM
Anyway it looks cool and authentic in that pic  :D!
Do you look like that now as well?
Okay, can't wait for the new pic  :D!

The man I was cosplaying as IS cool and confident, much like myself, so I thought he would be a great person to emulate. :)

I've always wanted a goatee, and now that I have a slight beard, it seems to have a real possibility of happening. 
Currently, I have a slight beard, a very slight mustache and a few goatee hairs on my chin.  I'm not even sure my facial hair will show up on a pic, its so slight.  But its definitely there when viewed IRL.  Currently, I look like a 14 year old boy, which is fine, after all, puberty takes YEARS, something I keep having to remind myself of.   

Ryuichi


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PurpleWolf

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on March 29, 2018, 01:06:48 AM
Currently, I look like a 14 year old boy, which is fine, after all, puberty takes YEARS, something I keep having to remind myself of.   
14 is the best age I hear so glad you get to experience that again  ;D!!!
Enjoy your refound youth! Hey, maybe transitioning and HRT is the magic formula and fountain of youth everyone is looking for  ;D! Maybe cis people should try it as well! Well, ofc you'd get a gender swap on top of it but who cares right  ;D!

Goatee would be cool!!!!!
!!!REBIRTH=legal name change on Feb 16th 2018!!!
This is where life begins for me. It's a miracle I finally got it done.


My body is the home of my soul; not the other way around.

I'm more than anything an individual; I'm too complex to be put in any box.

- A social butterfly not living in social isolation anymore  ;D -
(Highly approachable but difficult to grasp)


The past is overrated - why stick with it when you are able to recreate yourself every day
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Ryuichi13

Quote from: PurpleWolf on March 29, 2018, 10:31:31 AM
14 is the best age I hear so glad you get to experience that again  ;D!!!
Enjoy your refound youth! Hey, maybe transitioning and HRT is the magic formula and fountain of youth everyone is looking for  ;D! Maybe cis people should try it as well! Well, ofc you'd get a gender swap on top of it but who cares right  ;D!

Goatee would be cool!!!!!

Naw, I think I'll stick with the refound youth that comes with Second Puberty, its WAY more ME! ;)

I'd rather be 15 again, or even 16, maybe by then I'll have more facial hair!  Although, it IS giving me time to figure out what kind of shaver I want to eventually use.  That's pretty cool.  I remember one of my brothers using something called a "Black Man's Shaver" in order to prevent his face from getting ingrown hairs, something that African-American men seem prone to.  I will eventually need to look for it.  But that still doesn't prevent me from looking at the shaving products whenever I go to Walmart!

Ryuichi


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PurpleWolf

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on March 29, 2018, 12:28:14 PM
I'd rather be 15 again, or even 16, maybe by then I'll have more facial hair!  Although, it IS giving me time to figure out what kind of shaver I want to eventually use.  That's pretty cool.  I remember one of my brothers using something called a "Black Man's Shaver" in order to prevent his face from getting ingrown hairs, something that African-American men seem prone to.  I will eventually need to look for it.  But that still doesn't prevent me from looking at the shaving products whenever I go to Walmart!
And shaving products, cool  :D!
Though gotta admit I'm pretty damn clueless about those  :P
Well maybe I'll figure it out when the time comes
!!!REBIRTH=legal name change on Feb 16th 2018!!!
This is where life begins for me. It's a miracle I finally got it done.


My body is the home of my soul; not the other way around.

I'm more than anything an individual; I'm too complex to be put in any box.

- A social butterfly not living in social isolation anymore  ;D -
(Highly approachable but difficult to grasp)


The past is overrated - why stick with it when you are able to recreate yourself every day
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Cassi

Quote from: PurpleWolf on March 29, 2018, 11:45:48 PM
And shaving products, cool  :D!
Though gotta admit I'm pretty damn clueless about those  :P
Well maybe I'll figure it out when the time comes

If they hadn't forced me to shave in boot camp, I'd probably have peach fuzz or no facial hair now :(

I don't have to shave everyday which is a blessing I guess :)
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Mines fine, from the eyebrows down !!!! its just that shiny bit on top with the grey wispy stuff
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Ryuichi13

Quote from: PurpleWolf on March 29, 2018, 11:45:48 PM
And shaving products, cool  :D!
Though gotta admit I'm pretty damn clueless about those  [emoji14]
Well maybe I'll figure it out when the time comes
Oh trust me, when the time comes for me to need to shave, I'm going to be hitting up my brothers to see what they use!  I really have no idea what would be best for me.  I have a relatively smooth, unblemished, unwrinkled face, and I'd love to keep it that way for as long as I can!

Of course, I still scrub my face with facial soap and a buff puff, once a week use apricot scrub on it, and moisterize it whenever I wash it.  I honestly believe that's why I still get mistaken for being in my early 30s even though I'm heading towrds 60 a bit too fast! [emoji6] 

I've been taking care of my face since I was in my 20s.  Glad the regimine has worked! [emoji106]

Ryuichi

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KarenElizabeth

Wellll.....
So many people say I look like Tom Hanks.....sigh....could be a LOT worse!!!
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