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I'm just curious how many of you would have rather been born CIS.

Started by Tatiana 79, July 06, 2018, 11:55:13 AM

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SadieBlake

When this topic comes up (this has to be the  3rd thread like this I've seen) I find myself responding "is this a trick question?".

Of course I'd rather I'd been born as a natal female. However I don't love these speculative questions because one can't really pose it as a "ceteris paribus" situation. Had I been born as the queer female I am, yes some things would have been different, arguably easier. On the other hand with the same family I'd still have had to deal with a parent with antisocial personality disorder coupled with extreme homophobia and she would have recognized lesbian-me which could have been even more painful than being unidentifiably different.

So I have to think being born as cis me would have to be secondary to having been born into a family that was actually caring and supportive.

As others have said, I've live an interesting life and not believing in hypotheticals, I am grateful to feel I've finally landed as my true self. It took a bit over 60 years to get there, I'm thankful I did at all, so many people don't.
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epvanbeveren

Yes I would have rather been born CIS female. But I wouldn't have known I would have been trans.

I am a K. MacPhee girl, re-born on October 4 2017 in Raleigh/Durham NC. USA
I was AMAB on May 6 1963 in Dordrecht, the Netherlands.

OUT and proud - 2014
HRT - 2015
Legal - 2016
GRS - 2017

Full Time - 01/01/2015:
first day (01) of new life (01), '15 = opposite of 51 (my age at the time)

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suzannemarie

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VickyS

Interesting...

Honest answer is I'd like to have a cis-female body but with the mind and memories I have now...
If i'd have been born cis-female and straight I would not have perhaps experienced those (very few so far) gender euphoria experiences as a female, as I think you have to experience the bad to appreciate the good if that makes sense.

Trouble is, I LOVE gay culture and being a cis-female, I'd have missed out on that mostly.

I definitely would NOT like to have been born cis-male or a straight male.  The thought of that is totally abhorrent for me.

So I guess it's down to being born trans or cis-female...  That's so difficult so I'll have to cop out and say cis-female with my trans-mind.  ;D
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Jin

No, I like being me. The whole jumbled tangle of me. I do not try to fit myself into anyone else's mold.
I yam what I yam, and that's all what I yam.
-- Popeye

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krobinson103

I've been pondering that one. The whole journey makes me who I am, and I like who I am. Sure I'm not CIS female but I think even if I had been born that way I'd have ended up a little bit non binary anyway. So maybe it was just the way it was meant to be.
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yella

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Devlyn

Quote from: Jin on July 30, 2018, 11:38:22 AM
No, I like being me. The whole jumbled tangle of me. I do not try to fit myself into anyone else's mold.

Amen!

Hugs, Devlyn
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alex82

Absolutely. Cisgender female for me.

But I don't hate my past, and I can look at photographs without being offended and objectively I see a cute toddler, or an older child that I never hated being. Because while I always knew what I was, I honestly don't really think it matters pre puberty. I loved being out on my bike, or climbing a tree, or playing with Barbie and my Playmobil, testing my mothers perfume and make up, or swinging from ropes and scaffolding in construction sites after the workers had gone home. Nobody stopped me doing those things, and they wouldn't have in the other direction either (although I happily covered both gender play stereotypes really). I think my very liberal mother has a right to her grief, which she admits to. I feel some sense of that grief too.

It's not what you want for your child. It's not what I want for mine. Honestly, I'd be heartbroken if they were, because it's hard. Nobody wants their loved ones to have a harder time than average.

It's just one detail, but it's an important one. Everything else fundamental about me would be the same, give or take a few things. I'd probably spend less time dwelling on things, because I wouldn't have learned that habit. I might have had a better time at parties when younger, but I had a good time. One thing I probably wouldn't have done is slept with some of the hideous mistakes I've slept with. They certainly wouldn't have been the same people, some of whom make my fresh creep and did at the time. But I'd probably have a few mistakes anyway along those lines, so six and half a dozen. Hmmm, maybe more like a couple of hundred and six v half a dozen.

I might've been more consistently into stuff like swimming that I loved as a child and gave up as a teenager, for obvious reasons. I'd have probably happily been a social smoker instead of spending years chaining them. And the same with weed, which I smoked daily for years. I've no doubt I'd have been a happily occassional smoker instead. I can see what those kinds of decisions were all about.

I wouldn't change anything else. I basically like myself. I've had an interesting time (this is the least interesting thing about me) and I wouldn't change my family for anything. My close friends are my close friends, and they're fabulous. That's why I chose them.
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DawnOday

I would have loved to be born a cis woman. I dreamed about it. I prayed for it. Unfortunately God was listening to Michelle Bachmann at the time and I couldn't get 2 cents worth.
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steph2.0

Considering that I'm absolutely convinced that I was born with a female brain, of course I'd want my body to match, so absolutely cis-female. While I applaud those who are finding value and fulfillment in transition, it is not terribly enjoyable for me. While the end result is becoming so worth the fight, the battle itself is very painful for me. The only truly wonderful things that have happened as part of transition is the realization how many people actually love me as myself, no matter how I present, and the opportunity to meet someone who has become one of the most special people in my life.

Tatiana, I'm another Michigander. Grew up in Ypsilanti, worked in Ann Arbor, Novi, and Clinton, and lived all over southeast Michigan, including Clinton township and Rochester. Went to school at Oakland University. I spent almost all my summers growing up on or around the Ausable River. I've hiked Isle Royale, spent time in the Keweenaw Peninsula, visited Pictured Rocks countless times, and spent summers sailing on Traverse Bay. I love the state when it's warm, especially in the autumn with the color change, but I've had enough of snow. Sled dogs sound like tons of fun, though!


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Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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Devlyn

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on July 11, 2018, 10:55:33 AM
It makes me happy to see someone that shares this perspective with me. I haven't enjoyed a single part of transition so far and I can't understand how anyone can say this process is enjoyable or awesome, unless they're masochists...I just feel like I'm constantly struggling with depression, sadness, doubts and fears in every step of the way, trying to find a balance and a sense of normalcy and stability again. The physical pain of laser and surgery is nothing compared to the mental and emotional one I've been through in this entire process. It's awesome to see that you are a success story so maybe there's hope for me one day, but in the meantime this freaking sucks.

I'm not a masochist, how about trying to respect other people's views without applying unwanted labels to them? Presumably you know how hurtful that can be.
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alex82

Quote from: Devlyn on August 09, 2018, 06:01:09 PM
I'm not a masochist, how about trying to respect other people's views without applying unwanted labels to them? Presumably you know how hurtful that can be.

If it doesn't apply to you, that's wonderful. The label doesn't fit so it's not your label. But this is someone who talked about pain and depression, and that is real. I agree with her; it's horrible, it's hard, it's not a walk in the park as a life experience. Some people are great at learning via pain and trauma, but I think it's not ideal and from a list of life options, this would be way down what most people would choose to experience. Or as I said above, hope that a loved one underwent.

I don't think we should forget that this is someone in the middle of something that's hellish to them, and they're reaching out about that. I think you've laid a bit of a guilt trip there and taken offence where none was intended. I don't really want to get into it much, but I think it's important that someone in real emotional pain and depression should say how they feel. It's not about you or anyone else here. I thought their post was really valid and honest.
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Devlyn

Quote from: alex82 on August 09, 2018, 07:55:15 PM
If it doesn't apply to you, that's wonderful. The label doesn't fit so it's not your label. But this is someone who talked about pain and depression, and that is real. I agree with her; it's horrible, it's hard, it's not a walk in the park as a life experience. Some people are great at learning via pain and trauma, but I think it's not ideal and from a list of life options, this would be way down what most people would choose to experience. Or as I said above, hope that a loved one underwent.

I don't think we should forget that this is someone in the middle of something that's hellish to them, and they're reaching out about that. I think you've laid a bit of a guilt trip there and taken offence where none was intended. I don't really want to get into it much, but I think it's important that someone in real emotional pain and depression should say how they feel. It's not about you or anyone else here. I thought their post was really valid and honest.

I've taken no offense. I offer people advice for getting by in the real world and appropriately interacting with others in a mature fashion. I realize not everyone here wants to act that way, and that's fine. But I'll still offer my advice.
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Chaerlie Bjerkenstök

In hindsight, I wish I'd foregone all the pain that I've suffered through trying to have a 'normal' life with children, etc and started down the transition path when I was 15 and had my first real gender crises. My Mum's youngest brother had transitioned many years before, so in the back of my mind, I knew it could be done. She was a beautiful Le Girl in her prime but the terrible   reality of the times, when people like us were shunned, ridiculed, and attacked mercilessly even unto death led her into drug addiction and eventually her ignoble death from a heroin overdose when I was still quite young. My mum was the only family she had that hadn't turned their backs on this creature that so fascinated me as a child and she would take me with her when she would go to see Kerri-lee.
My sister Kirilee was not happy with the fact that their names were so similar, so chose not to come along on these visits.

All I ever wanted was to have a family. My eldest daughter's name was decided on when I was around 14. I struggled with my dysphoria throughout my teens and remember so many times when I would look at the beautiful young women around me wistfully and feel so unhappy with the ugly lump of a body I was/am still, lumbered with. But at around 16 I became involved with the woman who was to become my wife and partner for the next 18 years and was the mother if my 2 eldest children, and much of my dysphoria faded away during that time. Until she left me for a thug of a man and turned my whole world upside down, leaving me to drown in despair and bewilderment. I've never fully recovered. The next woman I had a relationship left me more emotionally damaged than my ex wife had ever achieved but she's also the one I just can't get over too. Through her I found my faith in God, for which I shall be eternally grateful for but it came with such a hefty price too, and broke my spirit as it was. I still miss that woman to this day, even though she left me for someone else. I've never just clicked with anybody the way I did with her. Like meeting your soul mate and then losing them again. Third times a charm they say but my third relationship gave me my 3rd child, my beautiful golden haired 2nd daughter and light of my life now taken too, across the seas to another country altogether and with her all my joy. Left alone, with no contact with any of my babies I turned inwards on myself and for a few years it was just darkness and I withdrew into myself and gave up on any future, wishing for a death that I could not bring about for myself. I went armed into dangerous territory looking for a fight or to be killed by police, or anything else that would end the pain and instead found the one girl no one can take away from me, who can never leave me, for I am she, and she is me, and we are bound together on a journey and I am devoted to her and setting her free. There's still so many hurdles to jump over, but at last I have someone worthy of my love and devotion and so the greatest love of all has been found where I least expected it. In me. Ha, if only I had listened to that bloody song a bit more carefully, hey?
It sure is a hell of a ride though, and frustrating as hell, but I'm starting to like who I am, and even love her, for the first time in my life. Too bad it's taken 40 something years to recognise what's been with me the whole time for what it truly is. As someone with what is a somewhat  feminine body who grew a descent pair of B cup breasts at 12 like any normal girl would, you'd think I might have worked it out so much younger, wouldn't you? But it was that thing between my legs that led me on such a wild goose chase and into such pain and ruin. Demonic possession is what that cursed thing seems to me now, but thankfully, it no longer rules my life.

I do have a few pointed questions for my maker though, when I do get to go home at last....like, What The Actual F ?
Lol

Phew...never really put all that down in writing before. It's quite cathartic.

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Kirsteneklund7

  Ok Tatiana,
                   Do I wish I was born CIS ? Well I dearly wish I could become CIS female but that cant happen, so as a realist I'm going for the next best option - trans-woman. As a father & uncle I am quite maternal. I strongly  suspect if I had been born CIS female I would have had a good life and be a wife and mother now - something I believe is the best thing anyone can be. Trouble is if I was CIS female I possibly wouldn't have the appreciation and admiration for females I have now. I do regret that I could never bear children and my offspring be so close and a part of me that only a mother can experience. I work with a fellow engineer who is a good friend and a CIS woman and she said her agenda will have to suffer because she will have to carry the babies. I explained she was looking squarely at the worlds greatest gift in this life & I explained as above. She smiled and took it on board.
As a realist in this life I believe we try to do the best with the cards we are dealt. I'm happy I was born male but I am a woman as well. I have to earn my femininity and really bask in it when I can.
Amazing thread you started by the way,  Kirsten x.
As a child prayed to be a girl- now the prayer is being answered - 40 years later !
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