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Started by Julie Marie, January 13, 2008, 08:20:44 AM

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cindybc

Hi Kalt
This post you have submitted I must say is right on the dollar, if one is not certain then wait.
I was also scared very frightened, I never had any type of surgery before for anything. I had many fears and not to mention right down to the little stuff. When I come out on the other side I was pretty well out of it for a few weeks, depression I had before seemed to follow me to the other side. It is not an easy thing to do and I am surprised how come there aren't more post ops come out and tell their story.

Cindy 
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kalt

No, waiting isn't right.

I'm the kind of person that even though I was living full time as a female and was forced out of it, I made myself by alright as a guy.  All in all the surgery isn't imperative, but it's what I want.  If I don't like it, I'll deal, it's just that simple.

All in all though, I'd much rather strut down the beach in a bikini than with a six pack and some boulder shoulders, I'd rather be the one who cooks and has some heart to hearts with the woman than those guys who have to pretend to be all macho and scream at the television when the game is on.  I'd rather just be me, and be accepted as me, instead of acting as I want to as a guy and getting strange looks the rest of my life.
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tekla

That seems like a bunch of stereotypes.  Lots of men cook, and up until quite recently most professional chiefs were men, not women, and that still holds true in a lot of places.  (And there are a lot more women other than my ex who don't know how to make anything for dinner beyond reservations.)  I know all sorts of guys who can't be bothered by sports, and a lot of women who are really into them, acting as dumb as any guy during the game.  It's the Title IX deal, its created an entire generation of female sports nuts.  And, lots of women who go to big colleges get turned on to that level of sports and it carries on when they leave.

And its the girl with the bikini AND the six pack who gets the attention.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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lady amarant

Quote from: tekla on January 22, 2008, 02:40:06 PM
And its the girl with the bikini AND the six pack who gets the attention.

Sadly, isn't THAT the truth.  :icon_anger:
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Rachael

Quote from: kalt on January 22, 2008, 02:24:01 PM


I made myself by alright as a guy.  All in
glad someone could cope.... i sure as sausage couldnt do that
R
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kalt

Quote from: Rachael on January 22, 2008, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: kalt on January 22, 2008, 02:24:01 PM


I made myself by alright as a guy.  All in
glad someone could cope.... i sure as sausage couldnt do that
R
It's not that I didn't want to change any less, it's that I accepted that life is always worth fighting for.  It's growing up:-)
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Rachael

No, its not, growing up, and life being worth living, is what forced me to transition, in spite of being thrown out by my parents.
if i had not transitioned when i did, i would be dead now, melodrama? no, cold, honest, truth.
R :police:
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cindybc

 I agree with your post totally Rachael. I was disowned by family as well, but it didn't stop me from  following where my instincts led me in my desire to continue to live and find reasonable happiness and sanity in my life again.

Cindy
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kalt

All this BS of, "I'm going to kill myself if I don't transition" and "life isn't worth living if I don't transition" is, always has been, and always will be, straight up BS.

Life is always worth living.  From the jews that toughed it through the concentration camps to the Native Americans who had to deal with the european small pox and watching their entire population whither to near nothingness, to the African slaves who watched their families being ripped away from them to serve a life of humiliation and suffering, to the women in the middle east who are forcefully castrated, often with uncleanly methods, to the little gay guy getting raped in an ally by a hateful group of redneck bigots, and yes, YES YES YES YES YES, to the whiny little transsexual who needs to take a look at the good things in life instead of focusing on the bad.

End of story nothing more nother less don't confuse the issue with more emotional insecurity!  Life is always worth living, PERIOD.
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Rachael

you have less emotional senstivity than a dead badger....

Suicide isnt funny, or a joke.
when i and other talk of it, its serious
i tried 3 times in my teens to die, one episode landed me in hospital, full of tubes and wires.
Belive me when i say it is not some whining cry for help.
I personally could not have lasted much longer, as a male, i am not one, and living as one was insanely hard. Maybe i have more dysphoria than you, but i sure as hell couldnt cope. and With my track record, id have gotten it right eventually....
your lack of respect for other people's views is sickening Kalt...
its only a miracle you picked on ME about this, not someone more fragile who might have been caused serious harm by your words.
Please mature.... and learn some respect for others.
R :police:
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pretty pauline

I think Cindy and Rachael you are both very brave girls, I never considered myself brave cos my family fully supported my transition, I supposed I consider myself lucky, when I went thru some depression for a few days after my surgery my Dad and 3brothers did everything to keep my spirits up, Im thankfully for it now and so simple at the time, I remember a week after my surgery waking up one morning and 12 pink balloons tied to my bed, 3 to each bed post lol!!! my Dad and brothers had done it while I slept, when I asked them ''whats with the pink balloons'' my Dad whispered in my ear, ''pink is for my special girl''
So you see, Rachael and Cindy, to be disowned by one's family must be the worse thing ever, I don't think I would survive that, maybe both of you find happiness.
p
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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Rachael

considering 50% of transpeople attempt suicide in thier teens, and 75% of those suceed, sucicide is a scarily real matter...


pauline: im jelous as hell! :)
R :police:
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pretty pauline

Life is not always worth living Kalt, nobody can get inside another person's head, things are not always black and white or cut and dry, if only life was that simple, when someone is in a deep depression, the last thing they want to hear is ''pull yourself together'' the whole issue of suicide is a complex issue, try and understand that, I solved my own issues by going thru transition many years ago and now living as a complete woman.
p
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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tekla

I'm going to agree with Rachael twice in a week now, the earth must be spinning off its axis and careening though space.  She is 100% correct except that even a dead badger might have more emotional sensitivity.

You might try reading some history books, for the few Jews (just perfect that you don't even bother to capitalize that word either) that made it out of those camps, plenty died having given up the will to live.  Try reading Viktor Emil Frankl, M.D., Ph.D., who wrote a book in 1946 called ...trotzdem ja zum Leben sagen (Ein Psychologe erlebt das Konzentrationslager) (literally: "...saying yes to life regardless; A Psychologist Experiences the Concentration Camp).  Its known in English (for those of you who can only read one language) by the title Man's Search for Meaning.  He wrote that because he wondered how some made it though, and others did not.  Before the war, he treated people who were prone to suicide, and having treated over 30,000 before he was arrested, he knew something about the process and the problem.

Faced with life on the reservations - and make no mistake, Native American Reservations were just Concentration Camps without the amenities - the death rate was astronomical in percentage terms.  (Which was just what the people who put them there wanted by the way.)  Many there, like in the Nazi Death Camps, just gave up the will to live.  Or to put it another way... did not want to live if that was the life they had to go through.

Ever go to jail?  If you do, wear loafers, because they will take your shoelaces away from you to keep you from hanging yourself, so real is the thought of suicide when most people are arrested.  That whole 'pants sagging down past your ass" deal is because no one in prison gets a belt.

the little gay guy getting raped in an ally {sic} by a hateful group of redneck bigots
- I'm sure that many have killed themselves.  Actually, in all those cases you cited, people have killed themselves because of that.

And the African-American experience in the American South is a rather unique deal on several accounts, and its not really a solid comparison to GID or the Nazi Death Camps, or even the Native American experience.  Though, it is interesting to note that given the chance there at the end of the war to kill all the masters, they did not.  Perhaps proving that there was a superior and inferior race in the South, it was just not the way people thought - in the South - at that time.

People in real life don't attempt to commit suicide as a joke, or an attempt to 'get attention.'  It is always most real.  People who attempt suicide, or even threaten it ought to be taken just as seriously as you would the Hell's Angel who's telling you "If you piss on that bike I'm going to kill you."  You piss, they are going to be able to send you to your next of kin in #10 envelopes.

The rate of suicide among trans persons is very real, very frightening, and not a joke.  I read stuff on this board, and all the boards I visit, and cry (and I'm not the crying type) and then I thank the universe that when I was a teenager I had a change to go a different way - or else that fate may well have been mine. 

Yeah, sure there are people who triumph through adversity - we celebrate them because there are not that many.  Yes, there are people who thrive being outside the norm.  But they are few, not many. (And they are not interested in your celebration, or opinions either, that's why they chose the path they did.)

And Rachael is right, sooner or later people get it right.  And here in the Bay Area, were suicide is a bus ride away from almost certain success, we don't kid around with it. 

And, whatever I might say about Rachael, that sometimes she is a bitch, or a bit snappy, or a brat (just kidding - not really) I've never read her posts as "whiny."  Matter of fact, that's far more you, with the "I can't take this pill, it's too big" stuff.  (Like cutting it in half, or crushing it took a rocket scientist to figure out.)  Please.

And that "life is always worth living deal," I sure hope you never have to find out just how thin that line can be.  It's far less then a micron, to be sure.  Once you've had a life, you might come to know that.


FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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cindybc

Hi, Rachael,

I think that Kalt's remarks were uncalled for and insensitive and, yes it could affect a more sensitive person, and there are some on this board. Well I ain't exactly made of shoe leather either, but I think Kalt's remarks were unwarranted. 

spent 30 years drinking alcoholically trying to escape from myself. 30 years ago I wouldn't have known what the word "transsexual" was to save my soul. Stuff like that wasn't all that well known back then.

Towards the end and even after I quit drinking,  I, too, became suicidal until I was diagnosed with having bipolar disorder.  OK, that fixed some of the problem until GID took over and there weren't any pills that would work to alleviate it. But I finally found out about TS and here I am now, twenty years sober and 7 years full time and 4 years post op

Not everyone that comes here have a hide on them like shoe leather, as Kalt appears to suggest.  Not all of us have served in the military, either. I have a friend who did, in the Vietnam war. He drank himself to death, cirrhosis of the liver. He died in my arms.

Given the tone of Kalt's posting the personality of A DEAD SKUNK is more like it

Cindy 

Cindy 
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Rachael

All things aside. Kalt, if you can live life as a man, and be happy, DO IT....
because its sure as hell better than this...
you can doesnt mean everyone can, but see that as a blessing.
R >:D
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kalt

Quote from: Rachael on January 22, 2008, 07:14:14 PM
you have less emotional senstivity than a dead badger....

Suicide isnt funny, or a joke.
when i and other talk of it, its serious
i tried 3 times in my teens to die, one episode landed me in hospital, full of tubes and wires.
Belive me when i say it is not some whining cry for help.
I personally could not have lasted much longer, as a male, i am not one, and living as one was insanely hard. Maybe i have more dysphoria than you, but i sure as hell couldnt cope. and With my track record, id have gotten it right eventually....
your lack of respect for other people's views is sickening Kalt...
its only a miracle you picked on ME about this, not someone more fragile who might have been caused serious harm by your words.
Please mature.... and learn some respect for others.
R :police:
Oh please, you think you're the only one?  You go off and once again, look for any excuse to smite me?

Guess what child, you really aren't the only one who's made more than a few attempts to run away from your problems by taking the easy way out: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a227/pixieluvsall/pPIC_0008.jpg

You know what I find sickening?  How all you can do is one: complain about how horrible your life is because you don't like who you look like in the mirror.  Two: try and bring everyone else down along with you.  Three: go on and on about how far you've come and simply go on about how stubborn you are that you couldn't even look towards the bright side of life.  Yes I'm mad, and yes I've lost patience with you.

To a mod: please get this girl to quit smiting me, I'm sick and tired of paying the consequences for her stupid grudge she holds against me.  I don't smite her everytime I have a disagreement with her, she doesn't seem to show the same courtesy to me though.  but I really ought to for the way this brat treats me with her narcisistic views and simply tries to bring people on this site down instead of guiding them to find the inner strength they need.
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cindybc

 Hi Pretty Pauline
I am doing fine though, I have a guardian angle who calls herself Wing Walker on this group. Actually we support each other. I wouldn't know what to do without her so I do pray that we both live to the ripe old age off 99.9 years old and the have the aliens come and abduct us and live forever,

Cindy   :D
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tekla

You never know.  Sometimes, not even about yourself.  I've known lots of star types - people who's records/CD/downloads you have - and one of them, faced, as everyone other than Mick and Bono are at some point, did the suicide route because he could not face life without being a star.  I have a good friend who had gold records on his wall at home who loads trucks with me and says he's never been happier.

But the first one, no one really took it seriously until they found him dead, and in a really bad way (he cut his own throat) so its never something to take lightly.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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kalt

Quote from: pretty pauline on January 22, 2008, 07:40:10 PM
Life is not always worth living Kalt
YES, it IS.  If it wasn't, then we wouldn't have been born.
Quotethe last thing they want to hear is ''pull yourself together''
Obviously.  The truth is hard to listen to.
Quotethe whole issue of suicide is a complex issue, try and understand that
You think I don't?  All it comes down to is will power though, keep trying or give up.

Quit making EXCUSES people.  That's all it is to think about suicide, is an excuse to give up.  Every second is filled with unlimited potential for good, don't waste it.
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