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the real life experience, when should it start?

Started by Natasha, January 24, 2008, 01:27:38 PM

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Natasha

THIS QUESTION IS INTENDED FOR TRANSSEXUAL PEOPLE ONLY. MTF OR FTM

when should the real life experience start?  do you think a person should acquire the necessary (or some) features of the target gender first before they commit to the rle? thoughts? comments? rants?
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ssindysmith

I think you'll find this is a personal preference thing, for me once I realized I was woman I began identifying to things as a woman would, but I didn't go all out at first, very conservative in how I dressed, make up etc., when people looked at me they had a question male or female in there mind. It wasn't until I felt at ease or comfortable in who I was did I go all out.
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tekla

It should start when you know its your real life.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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SusanK

It already started, the only thing is if you want to show the world. I can go on for a long rant about the RLE because it's a medical sham. It has no real meaning to a person, only to show the therapists you present as a woman to their ideal of you. We are who we are and how we present ourselves to the world is our choice, not some artifice of what and how others' think we should be and do.

I still wear a lot of my male clothes because I like them and the fit, but my therapist thinks it's wrong for my female presentation. So if a woman wears them, that's wrong? Or does that make her a cross-dresser or just someone who wears different clothes? It's not about the clothes, the makeup, the being feminine because you should, and whatever else. It's about being yourself.

Sorry, I won't rant any further. Your RLE already started, so be yourself, and the rest is, and whenever you're ready for the rest, do it. We need the medical community for the hrt, letters and surgeries, we don't need them dictating our clothes and lives.

--Susan--
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ssindysmith

Quote from: SusanK on January 24, 2008, 02:58:25 PM
It already started, the only thing is if you want to show the world. I can go on for a long rant about the RLE because it's a medical sham. It has no real meaning to a person, only to show the therapists you present as a woman to their ideal of you. We are who we are and how we present ourselves to the world is our choice, not some artifice of what and how others' think we should be and do.

I still wear a lot of my male clothes because I like them and the fit, but my therapist thinks it's wrong for my female presentation. So if a woman wears them, that's wrong? Or does that make her a cross-dresser or just someone who wears different clothes? It's not about the clothes, the makeup, the being feminine because you should, and whatever else. It's about being yourself.

Sorry, I won't rant any further. Your RLE already started, so be yourself, and the rest is, and whenever you're ready for the rest, do it. We need the medical community for the hrt, letters and surgeries, we don't need them dictating our clothes and lives.

--Susan--

Amen sister, I was doing just fine till I needed something official. In fact my Therapist was quite impressed with my choices, unlike a bunch of ya I have a friend that would run my blood in the lab, so I knew what my levels were and where to go.

** Disclaimer for the HRT police - don't try this at home **
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Natasha

btw this question is intended for [transsexual] people only.  mtf or ftm.  thank you.
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Sandy

I can't really give any advice in this respect.  All I can talk about is myself.

When I came out to myself, I knew I had to be full-time.  All my effort from that point on was to get me to that point.  I really wasn't thinking about RLE in any meaningful sense.  I needed to be full time.

When I moved out of my spouse's house, I went 24x7-40.  I was out everywhere *except* work.  I had the opportunity to acquire the skills of passing, makeup, clothing.  It was terrifying at first, especially when I would get read, or would have to out myself because I had to show my unchanged drivers license.

When I would get home from work I would change out of the guy stuff and into my more comfortable attire and makeup.

Then when I made arrangements to come out at work, I was given every opportunity to prepare.  I went from a few outfits to enough to carry me through a couple of weeks of clothing for a working girl.

Once I went full-time, I knew I had to change my name and as many records as I could concievably get done without going through GRS.  Once my name matched my face, I got my drivers license changed, and through a technicality also had my gender changed to female (I had already had my orchiectomy and was give a diagnosis of GID and could document it to the DMV people).

From the time I came out to myself to the time I went full-time (and of course started RLE) was less than six months.

Is that the right time for everybody?  Probably not.  I did what was right for me.  YMMV and all that.  But what drove me was that I KNEW it was the right thing to do.  I was dead certain that if I didn't transition, I would die.  It was as simple as that for me.

From that point on I have never been happier or have I ever looked back.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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cindianna_jones

I chose the date I started working in a full time job as myself.  No one would ever argue that one.  I had legally changed my name by that time.

Cindi
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tinkerbell

When?  Hmmmm...I don't know.  I think that this is also a very personal decision; however, I will tell you how I did it (and of course, this is just my personal experience and not a Tink's law of any sort  :P).

1.  I began therapy. At this time I also began electrolysis at the rate of ten hours per month.

2.  Started hormone therapy three months after the first visit with my therapist and began finishing out my wardrobe with some basics that wouldn't be effected by change in body shape over the following year or two.

3.  After tolerating hormones well for three months; I started "coming out" to the important people in my life who weren't already aware of what I was embarking on.  My youngest sister was the first person I told, then my parents and so on.

4.  After six months on electrolysis, I couldn't pass as a guy anymore.  The hormones had been working quite well (slowly so but the physical changes were pretty obvious).  This is when I decided to change my name legally.  I changed my DMV and Social Security records; I also changed my name on my bank accounts, credit cards and credit reporting agencies, college records, etc. I live in California, and I am aware that it was simpler for me to do all these things here as opposed to doing them in other states.

5. I began my real life test.  I resigned to my job, moved, took a three month vacation and basically settled in a new apartment, found a new job and my new life started.  :) 

For me this approach worked really well. I know girls that have done all the groundwork, electrolysis, tracheal shave, FFS before hand and scheduled their breast augmentation to coincide with starting the RLT and that worked well for them. I've also known girls that did it bit by bit on more limited finances as they had money available during the RLT because the thought of waiting until all the groundwork was laid to start was just too much for them.

I guess that there isn't any "rule" on "when" to start the RLT; it all depends on your finances, needs, and timetable. :)

tink :icon_chick:
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Natasha

Quote from: Rommie on January 25, 2008, 06:19:55 AM

Nice thread hot stuff... oh.. wait.. naturally .. you're a Bower's girl. :D

naturally ;)
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Schala

Well I didn't do it in with much planning.

-Came out to my parents (April-May 2005)
-I quit my job and moved to Terrebonne (with my mom) (June 2005)
-Researched the topic intensely (February - October 2005)
-Got a family doctor (July 2005)
-Thought about electrolysis but never had the funds (2005)
-Started getting unconspicuous women's pants with the excuse that men's pants were too big (they were too big) (Summer 2005)
-Looked for a psychiatrist and got one (Fall 2005)
-Psychiatrist didn't take me seriously (Fall 2005)
-Found a generalist prescribing HRT, had bloodwork and anti-a without reference (February-March 2006)
-Got second-hand clothes from a few friends (March 2006)
-Went full-time (April 2006)
-Got estrogen (May 2006)
-Got more clothes and bras (June-July 2006)
-Kept researching things, asked for a better dosage (basically switching from one type of E to another) (2006 to 2007)
-Saw Dr Assalian (November 2006)
-Generalist mentioned above changed it, but to a too low dosage, I got sick (May 2007)
-Went to see family doctor for help, got HRT from him, at a decent dosage, added progesterone (June 2007)
-Looked for an endocrinologist and another psychiatrist (2007)
-Found a psychiatrist (November 2007)
-Found an endocrinologist (December 2007)

Things left to do:
-Get a diagnosis
-Electrolysis
-Name change
-Maybe genital electrolysis
-GRS
-Gender change
-Qualifying as RLT (ie studying)

The thing is, I HAD to go full-time, couldn't bear to wait any longer. I was mentally kicking myself in the butt for not going full-time and then agonizing because I didn't have the courage...and so I did before I passed.

I made absolutely certain it was the right thing in 2005 with my research (much of it was introspective). I confirmed it when I went full-time and on HRT in 2006, as it felt right. I haven't looked back since.

Haven't worked in 2 years, but I plan on studying full-time. My qualifications are null to get a decent job to pay for studies. I'm hoping for a miracle I guess >_<
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Berliegh

I didn't really have a before or after......I stayed the same all the time.

Others have a definate starting point when they transitioned from one gender image to another gender image. I think it's better to suck it and see before you try any physical enhancements...
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Cortana

In my very honest personal opinion I think anyone going RLE should wait until hormones unless they start really young, like in pre-adolesence, I also think though you should really decide when your ready for yourself. I'm torn between those two opinions but I overall think that you should do what makes you happy cause a life without happinesss is not a life, it's just an existence. ;)
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on January 25, 2008, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on January 25, 2008, 05:56:27 PM
I didn't really have a before or after......I stayed the same all the time.

Others have a definate starting point when they transitioned from one gender image to another gender image. I think it's better to suck it and see before you try any physical enhancements...


no thanks, i'm a lesbian 



:laugh:

OMG!... ROFL  ;D

tink :icon_chick:
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Berliegh

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on January 25, 2008, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on January 25, 2008, 05:56:27 PM
I didn't really have a before or after......I stayed the same all the time.

Others have a definate starting point when they transitioned from one gender image to another gender image. I think it's better to suck it and see before you try any physical enhancements...




no thanks, i'm a lesbian 



:laugh:

What I meant was try living as a female before any physical enhancements......but I think HRT is a confidence booster and helps people when they first start out..
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Cortana

Quote from: Berliegh on January 26, 2008, 05:38:50 AM
What I meant was try living as a female before any physical enhancements......but I think HRT is a confidence booster and helps people when they first start out..
That's a definite. When I started HRT I went from no confience at all in my self or otherwise to "Hell yeah I'm the motherf**cking princess and I do what I want when I want!" or in other terms very confident... almost too confident. Lol.
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Shana A

real life experience should start at birth ;)

y2g
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Hypatia

I delayed beginning my RLE for a year or two, because of intense pressure from my family to stay closeted. However, last year the even more intense pressure from within to make the change had been building stronger and stronger all the time within me... until I knew it was fulltime or die. That was scary. And that was the point at which I went fulltime... when it was getting dangerous to delay it any longer.

Now I feel so relieved, even healed and blessed. :)
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Audrey

Quote from: Natasha on January 24, 2008, 03:13:54 PM
btw this question is intended for [transsexual] people only.  mtf or ftm.  thank you.

um isn't that a given??

I never really had a point where I said to myself now this is the RLE,  I eased into it.  I started wearing girls jeans and tighter t-shirts but no makeup really.  eventually when I felt I had changed enough on HRT I started wearing makeup and a bra.  My week to week appearence never really made a dramatic shift.  I just started to look more and more girly.  I'm glad that I took this approach as it allowed me to adjust to the new me without getting anxiety or worrying too badly.

Audrey
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Natasha

Quote from: Audrey on January 26, 2008, 05:04:35 PM
Quote from: Natasha on January 24, 2008, 03:13:54 PM
btw this question is intended for [transsexual] people only.  mtf or ftm.  thank you.

um isn't that a given??

not entirely.  in the past threads like these have been answered by people who weren't ts.  this time i just want it to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
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