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Started by Lutin, March 16, 2008, 07:17:55 AM

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Lutin

Hi,

I'm new to the site (just joined today), and I'm not sure which term applies to me, "androgyne" or "bigender". It's a bit complicated, too  :-\ (though I can't imagine either androgyny or bigenderedness ever being particularly simple). The thing is, I'm quite definitely female-bodied (12-DD bra-size – not good for dancing, I can tell you! :P), and there are times when I'm perfectly happy being female and enjoy having large breasts and wearing make-up, low-cut tops etc. (For instance, the other day, I was wearing a particularly low-cut top in the car, and this guy in the car next to me was staring at my breasts, and I actually sort of felt quite gratified, as I'm normally very shy and introverted and, having tall, slim, very attractive friends, I tend to blend into the background in comparison). I also have very long hair (down to my waist) and like to wear it out sometimes to uni (I've just turned 21). However, the instant I have to do any thinking or studying, I hate having it down, 'cause it makes me feel far too girly, and have to tie it up in a pony-tail, not so that I necessarily feel like a more 'manly' girl, but so that the question of femininity is completely absent. (Does that make any sense? ???). The confusing bit is that there are also occasions (probably twice as many occasions as when I feel particularly feminine) when I feel more like a gay man than a bi-curious woman, and wish I were male and not female. When watching movies and TV shows and reading books, it's rare that I'll identify with the heroine – I almost always identify with the male lead (or not even the lead role, necessarily). Since I was about 10, when my friends and I played games at school and had 'our own' characters, I was almost always a male character, and when we found a thing of make-up one night at a friend's sleepover, I drew (on myself) a thin moustache and goatee (à la Pirates of the Caribbean) with some eyeliner.
       There are also frequent instances when I completely forget about gender. It's always a surprise on Facebook when they say of me that "she has added X application", and when I write in the status bar what I'm doing, it always makes me uncomfortable writing about myself in the third person and referring to myself as "she", 'cause I never really feel it. At the same time, though, "he" doesn't sound quite right, and "it" just makes me sound like some random inanimate object. :P 
     I'm not planning on having SRS or any therapy 'cause I don't think it would help, screwed up as it all may sound, and I'm not planning on telling my family any time soon, mainly 'cause I don't think it will really achieve anything (they'd all be fine with it, but it'd just be this seemingly random bit of information that they'd learn, and which would then probably never affect them again). I guess the main thing for me at the moment is having a name to put to it, and then I can decide from there what to do with it.

Sorry, I know it's long and ranty, but help? :embarrassed: If anyone has any ideas/comments/advice, I'd be very grateful :)

Thanks,

Lutin
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Shana A

Hi Lutin

Welcome to Susan's and to the androgyne corner. Many of us can relate to what you're feeling, for me, in reverse, I've often felt more like a lesbian woman and been most comfortable with that circle of friends... and my body happens to be male. When I have to use birth pronouns regarding myself, if always feels as though I'm talking about someone else.

Feel free to read the archives, there's lots of stuff in there that might help to figure things out. Also, post an intro in the introduction section when you have a chance. We hope you stay around for a while!

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Seshatneferw

Yes, there are quite a few others here in a similar situation, with either type of body. Browsing through the archives is good advice, too.

What I'd like to add is that there is no hurry whatsoever to find a label for yourself. Don't worry about whether you are androgyne, or bigendered, drifting towards FtM transsexuality, or something else. In the end, that doesn't really matter -- what matters is that you get to a point where you are comfortable with yourself. Finding the right mix for you will take some time, so have fun playing an explorer.

Welcome.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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RebeccaFog

Hi Lutin,

     When you do facebook or myspace stuff, try using the word "they" instead of "she".  It works for me.

      The way to tell if you're an androgyne is if you start going off topic all the time and not taking much seriously.  Hee hee.    ::)

     I have no idea of a common bigender trait.  Gender fluid is also a possibility.  I have no grasp of those common traits either.


Rebis
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sd

Quote from: Rebis on March 16, 2008, 11:08:53 AM
      The way to tell if you're an androgyne is if you start going off topic all the time and not taking much seriously.  Hee hee.    ::)
This could just be a more common personality trait among us and less about being androgyne.
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Nero

Yay another unicorn! Yall are like roaches around here lately. Well, beautiful and funny roaches.  :laugh:

Welcome Lutin.
I'm Nero.
<shakes hand>
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Seshatneferw

Quote from: sd on March 16, 2008, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: Rebis on March 16, 2008, 11:08:53 AM
      The way to tell if you're an androgyne is if you start going off topic all the time and not taking much seriously.  Hee hee.    ::)
This could just be a more common personality trait among us and less about being androgyne.

Actually, I'm starting to believe it is connected to being androgyne. But since this is Lutin's thread and e's new here I think it's impolite to get too far off-topic here, so I won't elaborate right now.  ;)

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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PolarBear

Hey Lutin,

I think I understand a bit of what you are writing. Personally, I am in a sort-of "masculine/androgyne" zone of feelings the last couple of weeks, but there are times when I do feel like a woman (Oh, I'm biologically female btw). Am I androgyne, FtM transsexual, transgender, just going through some random soul-searching episode? At times I have no idea, and that can be darn frightening. I think I am androgyne or gender-fluid, though sometimes I feel I am indeed FtM.

All I know is that it takes time to get to know yourself and your feelings. Things will clear up, I'm sure of it.

Take care,
Jordan
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 16, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
Actually, I'm starting to believe it is connected to being androgyne. But since this is Lutin's thread and e's new here I think it's impolite to get too far off-topic here, so I won't elaborate right now.  ;)

  Nfr

This may disqualify you from being an androgyne.


Wow, are you giving me material today   :laugh:
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sd

Quote from: Rebis on March 16, 2008, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 16, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
Actually, I'm starting to believe it is connected to being androgyne. But since this is Lutin's thread and e's new here I think it's impolite to get too far off-topic here, so I won't elaborate right now.  ;)

  Nfr

This may disqualify you from being an androgyne.


Wow, are you giving me material today   :laugh:
I didn't want to say it.  ;D
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Lutin

Hey everyone,

Thanks a lot, that's all been really helpful. Good to know I'm not the only one. ^-^

And I have absolutely no issues with going off on a tangent. Even though they may be straight, tangents can be entertaining. ;)
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tekla

Sex is confusing.

Gender is confusing.

If you're confused about one, the other is a mess to start with.

Be true to your heart.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Lutin

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tekla

Not that I'm known for it - but it does happen on occasion.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Pica Pica

welcome to it all, generally people tend to find a niche and when they are comfortable think of ways to describe it, (I remember when Rebis was deathly serious and moaned all the time.) If it is words you are looking for, gender fluid seems to fit. Means you ooze between times of maleness and femaleness like a lava lamp. Bigender seems to be a way of saying that you feel once at the same time. Then there is the me type who feel that they were never really given a gender and don't properly understand what it's all about in the first place.
To be honest I think of that are different expressions of the same thing.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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sd

Quote from: tekla on March 16, 2008, 07:30:25 PM
Not that I'm known for it - but it does happen on occasion.

I have noticed you tend to call things as you see it, which is often just as good as advice to a lost soul.
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Nero

Quote from: sd on March 16, 2008, 10:26:46 PM
Quote from: tekla on March 16, 2008, 07:30:25 PM
Not that I'm known for it - but it does happen on occasion.

I have noticed you tend to call things as you see it, which is often just as good as advice to a lost soul.

True, she does. A brilliant mind, if a rather blunt one.  :laugh:
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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tekla

Good or bad, its my advice, no more no less.  People can take it or leave it.  However, I've been very happy, for a long, long time now.  I've done what I've wanted to do.  I can form a panel debate on what I've done, but I would not have it any other way - which is the only way to go.

PS, subtle on the internet is a useless deal.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Seshatneferw

Quote from: Rebis on March 16, 2008, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 16, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
But since this is Lutin's thread and e's new here I think it's impolite to get too far off-topic here, so I won't elaborate right now.  ;)
This may disqualify you from being an androgyne.

Oh well. I guess I'll just have to invent a new gender for myself then. Anyone want to join me in this secession?

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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Shana A

Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 17, 2008, 06:29:30 AM
Oh well. I guess I'll just have to invent a new gender for myself then. Anyone want to join me in this secession?

  Nfr


There was a recent article in which theauthor stated that John McCain's leadership style was androgyne ???

If he's an androgyne, then I would definitely have to defect! :P ;)

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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