A list of TS traits from my therapist

[Berliegh]

We excel in reading and writing at an early age but have difficulty with mathematics
Thats the only one that didn't apply to me and now that I know who I am and like myself several others don't now apply and working on a lot of the others.
Sheena

I did well with writing at an early age and I did find long division mathmatics difficult but I don't think it's related to gender or transsexuality. I didn't get a very good education and I was bullied a lot....for guess what?......yes for looking feminine and I was constantly beaten up quite badly and subsequently missed a lot of my schooling...

[Kate]

Really? I'm curious, now... I did not realize there were that many programmers that were TS and
post here.

(raises hand too)

Don't tell M. Bailey about this though... he'll do a study proving that programming *causes* TSism

~Kate~

[lady amarant]

Well, clearly

Programmers are nerds.
All nerds are heterosexual and male, and therefore desire women (because asexuality does not exist).
Therefore, all programmers desire women.
Nerds are unable to attract women.
It so follows that programmers are unable to attract women.
An alternative to attracting a woman is becoming a woman.
Since programmers are unable to attract women, they become women instead.

The reason why only programmers become women and not all nerds in general do is because programmers are a type of super-nerd.

As always, trans men do not exist because they were left off of Noah's ark along with centaurs, unicorns, the cyclops, and the Scientific Method.

~Simone

[tekla]

More like computer programers have access to computers and the net and are more likely to be found on net forums.


and the death penalty should exist, but it needs more strict guidelines... Instead of proving beyond a shadow of a dobut... it should be proving conclusivly... and by unanimous jurry....

Well I don't know about Texas, but everywhere else in the US in order to be found guilty you need all (that is unanimous) 12 people on the jury to agree, further they all have to agree to the death penalty in a separate phase of the trial.  The standard in a criminal trial is "Beyond a reasonable doubt" and that is a very high standard of proof.  Civil trials only use the standard "a preponderance of the evidence," a much lower burden of proof.  For most people the standard "beyond a reasonable doubt" is a conclusive proof, without any doubt.

[Floating]

*lol*
^_^

Kind of disturbing how accurate that list is for me.

I have no background as an actual programmer so to speak, but I do computational physics. So I actually do program in C++ and Fortran.   

Thanks for sharing this list.

[Constance]

I used to support the death penalty, until I read a story of a boy (who was 45 at the time of the story) whose father was executed for murder when the boy was 9 years old. At the time of this particular story, the boy was a 45 year old man with an adult son on death row.

I don't support the death penalty anymore, even for homophobes and bigots. As much as I find it hard to accept, they have people who love them, too.

[Just Mandy]

Well, clearly
Programmers are nerds.
All nerds are heterosexual and male, and therefore desire women (because asexuality does not exist).
Therefore, all programmers desire women.
Nerds are unable to attract women.
It so follows that programmers are unable to attract women.
An alternative to attracting a woman is becoming a woman.
Since programmers are unable to attract women, they become women instead.
The reason why only programmers become women and not all nerds in general do is because programmers are a type of super-nerd.

I really hope you're joking

Ummm... aren't you stereotyping all programmers as nerds Redfish? I have to disagree with this totally

I had no trouble attracting women, I was popular, I was never in the nerd crowd in school (not that there is anything
wrong with being a nerd) and the ONLY reason I "became a woman" was because I am one.

If you were joking.... nevermind

[Pica Pica]

As always, trans men do not exist because they were left off of Noah's ark along with centaurs, unicorns, the cyclops, and the Scientific Method.

with the androgynes for company.


And of course he was joking.

[Just Mandy]

And of course he was joking.

I thought so .... GRRRRR but I'm in the mood for a fight.... hormones I guess....LOL

Amanda

[RebeccaFog]

As always, trans men do not exist because they were left off of Noah's ark along with centaurs, unicorns, the cyclops, and the Scientific Method.

with the androgynes for company.


And of course he was joking.

She was joking.

[Jolene4ever]

That  list was an eye opener! Now I know who Iam. LOL

[soldierjane]

That  list was an eye opener! Now I know who Iam. LOL

Who are you?

Just kidding...

[Rachael]

As always, trans men do not exist because they were left off of Noah's ark along with centaurs, unicorns, the cyclops, and the Scientific Method.

with the androgynes for company.


And of course he was joking.

She was joking.

OH MY GOD!

Redfish is a girl? Wtf!?

but they offered me puppies!
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[Natal]

We have a primarily cope with the condition by shutting down all emotions (Yeah i do this ALOT )
We have an inability to discuss deep feelings with others (Heck if i dont have this trait i would have transition 2 years ago...)
We are very insecure ( Sums it up..)
We have very few, if any, close friends, prefers to spend time alone (More girl friends than guys. The girls are clever and the guys are fools... Have to speak foul language just to start a darn conversation..... )
We exhibit extreme shyness at times (Well not much actually)
We have a hatred of (and inattention to) our appearance ( I look like those Cool looking guys... and i ****ing hate that )
We avoid pictures and videos of ourselves ( Exclude family pictures....)
We often have inattention to health issues (Yes)
We have extreme modesty about our sexuality and partial and full nudity (Not really sure....)
We often take on dangerous jobs or activities (Yeah...)
We often have well above average intelligence (Mine intelligence is consider a lower average to a above average...)
We immerse ourselves in activities or jobs that require intense concentration and highly technical vocations. (Yes)
We are extremely competitive or extremely non-competitive with no middle ground (Nope i hate being competitive)
We are very imaginative daydreamers (Hell yes...)
We display self destructive behavior ( I dont show my *behavior* outside. )
We possess a tolerance for others, very unlikely to be racist, homophobic etc. (Yes)
We are anti-war and anti death penalty (Yes)
We have the need for more than usual privacy in our lives (Yes)
We are very unlikely to fight or have a physical confrontation (Yes)
We gave deep seated hatred of authority (Yes)
We have on and off battles with clinical depression (Yes)
We are easily able to place people by the sounds of their voice (Yes)
We are able to easily read peoples emotions (Yes) {This is somewhat scares my friends }
We excel in reading and writing at an early age but have difficulty with mathematics (Yes)
We often have suicidal thoughts, plans or attempts (Yes)

[samanthawhalen]

This generalisation list doesn't respresent anything and all personalities have different interests in dealing with transgendered issue's. In particular most of these do not represent my character or personality:

We have a primarily cope with the condition by shutting down all emotions - no
We have an inability to discuss deep feelings with others no
We are very insecure no
We have very few, if any, close friends, prefers to spend time alone not true
We exhibit extreme shyness at times no
We have a hatred of (and inattention to) our appearance no
We avoid pictures and videos of ourselves no
We often have inattention to health issues no
We have extreme modesty about our sexuality and partial and full nudity no
We often take on dangerous jobs or activities never
We often have well above average intelligence yes
We immerse ourselves in activities or jobs that require intense concentration and highly technical vocations. no
We are extremely competitive or extremely non-competitive with no middle ground no
We are very imaginative daydreamers no
We display self destructive behavior no
We possess a tolerance for others, very unlikely to be racist, homophobic etc. yes
We are anti-war and anti death penalty yes
We have the need for more than usual privacy in our  lives no
We are very unlikely to fight or have a physical confrontation no
We gave deep seated hatred of authority no
We have on and off battles with clinical depression no
We are easily able to place people by the sounds of their voice yes
We are able to easily read peoples emotions yes
We excel in reading and writing at an early age but have difficulty with mathematics yes
We often have suicidal thoughts, plans or attempts occasionally

only 6 out of 26.....related to me...

I'm with ya.  No offense to the OP, but it sounds to me like that therapist has NO CLUE as to what transsexualism (or even ->-bleeped-<-) is.  It as if someone made up as many bad things as they could think of when describing a type of person they don't like.

Aeron

[soldierjane]

This generalisation list doesn't respresent anything and all personalities have different interests in dealing with transgendered issue's. In particular most of these do not represent my character or personality:

We have a primarily cope with the condition by shutting down all emotions - no
We have an inability to discuss deep feelings with others no
We are very insecure no
We have very few, if any, close friends, prefers to spend time alone not true
We exhibit extreme shyness at times no
We have a hatred of (and inattention to) our appearance no
We avoid pictures and videos of ourselves no
We often have inattention to health issues no
We have extreme modesty about our sexuality and partial and full nudity no
We often take on dangerous jobs or activities never
We often have well above average intelligence yes
We immerse ourselves in activities or jobs that require intense concentration and highly technical vocations. no
We are extremely competitive or extremely non-competitive with no middle ground no
We are very imaginative daydreamers no
We display self destructive behavior no
We possess a tolerance for others, very unlikely to be racist, homophobic etc. yes
We are anti-war and anti death penalty yes
We have the need for more than usual privacy in our  lives no
We are very unlikely to fight or have a physical confrontation no
We gave deep seated hatred of authority no
We have on and off battles with clinical depression no
We are easily able to place people by the sounds of their voice yes
We are able to easily read peoples emotions yes
We excel in reading and writing at an early age but have difficulty with mathematics yes
We often have suicidal thoughts, plans or attempts occasionally

only 6 out of 26.....related to me...

I'm with ya.  No offense to the OP, but it sounds to me like that therapist has NO CLUE as to what transsexualism (or even ->-bleeped-<-) is.  It as if someone made up as many bad things as they could think of when describing a type of person they don't like.

Aeron

Probably, like in all things (as shown by other people posting that it does aply to them), it works for most and not everyone. Also, these points apply mostly for m2fs in denial and not transitioners per se.

[Mikaela]

Most of those are true for me, but a few of them doesn't fit at all.

I don't take on dangerous activities, I'm not sure if I display self-destructive behavior. Maybe I did in the past. I don't have a hatred of authority, and while I have dealt with depression I don't think it has been as serious in my case as it has been for others. I'm also pretty great at maths.

Most of the others fit extremely well though.

[Rachael]

This generalisation list doesn't respresent anything and all personalities have different interests in dealing with transgendered issue's. In particular most of these do not represent my character or personality:

We have a primarily cope with the condition by shutting down all emotions - no
We have an inability to discuss deep feelings with others no
We are very insecure no
We have very few, if any, close friends, prefers to spend time alone not true
We exhibit extreme shyness at times no
We have a hatred of (and inattention to) our appearance no
We avoid pictures and videos of ourselves no
We often have inattention to health issues no
We have extreme modesty about our sexuality and partial and full nudity no
We often take on dangerous jobs or activities never
We often have well above average intelligence yes
We immerse ourselves in activities or jobs that require intense concentration and highly technical vocations. no
We are extremely competitive or extremely non-competitive with no middle ground no
We are very imaginative daydreamers no
We display self destructive behavior no
We possess a tolerance for others, very unlikely to be racist, homophobic etc. yes
We are anti-war and anti death penalty yes
We have the need for more than usual privacy in our  lives no
We are very unlikely to fight or have a physical confrontation no
We gave deep seated hatred of authority no
We have on and off battles with clinical depression no
We are easily able to place people by the sounds of their voice yes
We are able to easily read peoples emotions yes
We excel in reading and writing at an early age but have difficulty with mathematics yes
We often have suicidal thoughts, plans or attempts occasionally

only 6 out of 26.....related to me...

I'm with ya.  No offense to the OP, but it sounds to me like that therapist has NO CLUE as to what transsexualism (or even ->-bleeped-<-) is.  It as if someone made up as many bad things as they could think of when describing a type of person they don't like.

Aeron

on the money.
Works for indenial transpeople, fairly well id say, but since i transitioned ive lost most of those things;


We have a primarily cope with the condition by shutting down all emotions - in denial response, if you transition, this isnt an issue
We have an inability to discuss deep feelings with others i find it easy, idscussing my feeling with my girlfriends is natural and easy
We are very insecure lol nope
We have very few, if any, close friends, prefers to spend time alone plenty, i make friends easier after transition
We exhibit extreme shyness at times yeah, its a human trait
We have a hatred of (and inattention to) our appearance pretransition or female response... its called self esteem, not a trans issue
We avoid pictures and videos of ourselves not unusual anyway
We often have inattention to health issues weird...
We have extreme modesty about our sexuality and partial and full nudity ->-bleeped-<-s do NOT have you SEEEN grs pics?
We often take on dangerous jobs or activities pretransition probably
We often have well above average intelligence yi doubt its related
We immerse ourselves in activities or jobs that require intense concentration and highly technical vocations. no
We are extremely competitive or extremely non-competitive with no middle ground wrong
We are very imaginative daydreamers human trait
We display self destructive behavior pre transition trait
We possess a tolerance for others, very unlikely to be racist, homophobic etc. WRONG, very very WRONG.
We are anti-war and anti death penalty nope
We have the need for more than usual privacy in our  lives not really
We are very unlikely to fight or have a physical confrontation youd not know it here....
We gave deep seated hatred of authority possibly some, i know i dont at all
We have on and off battles with clinical depression pre transition trait
We are easily able to place people by the sounds of their voice human trait
We are able to easily read peoples emotions human thing
We excel in reading and writing at an early age but have difficulty with mathematics random...
We often have suicidal thoughts, plans or attempts pre transition trait...

while i didnt mention some were pre transition, about 70% of those are featured while in denial, and disapear once you actually transition sucessfully.
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[lady amarant]

Works for indenial transpeople, fairly well id say, but since i transitioned ive lost most of those things;

Okay ... I think we all agree on that ... so why did we fight about it for, like 10 pages? Keep in mind, by definition, if you are seeing a psychiatrist for GID, you are either pre-transition or in transition.

~Simone.

[Rachael]

Im not seeing any shrink.... yet, (love you nhs)
so what am i? in denial? pre transition?

Yep, basically, the list works for maybe confirming if a person is pre, but during or after, id say most of those items disapear.
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