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The philosophy of transitioning

Started by Alex, April 16, 2008, 08:09:43 AM

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Autumn

Quote from: Beyond on April 17, 2008, 08:01:49 AM
Quote from: Nero on April 16, 2008, 12:43:53 PMIn some respects. It's much easier physically to go from female to male. Easier to add than take away. T pretty much fixes everything. Except of course, you girls have it much easier with the genital reconstruction.

On another board I DON'T frequent anymore a couple FtM's ate my lunch when I said that.  That board really disrespected fully transitioned women.  Genderqueer, androgynes, CDer's and FtM's could say anything, but MtF's were held to a different, super PC standard. I thought it was a kind of misogyny, so I left.


    Woman is the ->-bleeped-<- of the World
    John Lennon

     

    Woman is the ->-bleeped-<- of the world
    Yes she is...think about it
    Woman is the ->-bleeped-<- of the world
    Think about it...do something about it

    We make her paint her face and dance
    If she won't be slave, we say that she don't love us
    If she's real, we say she's trying to be a man
    While putting her down we pretend that she is above us

    Woman is the ->-bleeped-<- of the world...yes she is
    If you don't belive me take a look to the one you're with
    Woman is the slaves of the slaves
    Ah yeah...better screem about it

    We make her bear and raise our children
    And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother then
    We tell her home is the only place she would be
    Then we complain that she's too unworldly to be our friend

    Woman is the ->-bleeped-<- of the world...yes she is
    If you don't belive me take a look to the one you're with
    Woman is the slaves of the slaves
    Yeah (think about it)

    We insult her everyday on TV
    And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
    When she's young we kill her will to be free
    While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

    Woman is the ->-bleeped-<- of the world...yes she is
    If you don't belive me take a look to the one you're with
    Woman is the slaves of the slaves
    Yes she is...if you belive me, you better screem about it.

    We make her paint her face and dance
    We make her paint her face and dance
    We make her paint her face and dance
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Nero

Quote from: Beyond on April 17, 2008, 08:01:49 AM
Quote from: Nero on April 16, 2008, 12:43:53 PMIn some respects. It's much easier physically to go from female to male. Easier to add than take away. T pretty much fixes everything. Except of course, you girls have it much easier with the genital reconstruction.

On another board I DON'T frequent anymore a couple FtM's ate my lunch when I said that.  That board really disrespected fully transitioned women.  Genderqueer, androgynes, CDer's and FtM's could say anything, but MtF's were held to a different, super PC standard. I thought it was a kind of misogyny, so I left.

Well, it's true. There's much more work involved for mtf just to pass. Surgery is more difficult for ftm but the rest isn't.
I mean you gals got electrolysis, voice work, and FFS for many. T pretty much covers all that (on opposite side of course) for us.

Very well could be some misogyny. It's so deeply ingrained in our culture, at times it's hard to see. Subconsciously some still can't fathom why someone would transition to the 'weaker, lesser sex'.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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discarded

Late to the party... but wanted to throw my 2 cents in regarding the differences between M2Fs and F2Ms.

It is indeed true that F2Ms can pass more successfully once on hormones (and I say once on hormones because pre-T, most F2Ms are just labeled as being 'dykes' by society, as they still retain feminine features but dress and behave masculinely). Most F2Ms look like young men (which is annoying if you're going on 30 and people think you're 17/18 and treat you as such), but most can pass in society.

It's also true that it's harder for M2Fs to pass because of the irreversible effects of testosterone. Not many can pull it off (passing), unless they undergo a lot of surgeries. Once those surgeries are performed, most can pass in society.

However, the surgeries that M2Fs can undergo to feminize themselves are far more successful than those afforded to F2Ms   (for masculinization).

Look at it this way, a M2F can undergo a plethora of surgeries and the end result is usually that she can pass as a genetic female, in intimate situations, unless scrutinized by a well trained eye. A F2M could NEVER pass as a genetic male, in intimate situations, because of the inferiority of the lower surgeries offered. Even an untrained eye could look at a F2M who has undergone lower surgery, and know he is not a genetic male (a phalloplasty is just -obviously- not going to pass, and a metoid still does not look male enough to allow passing).

I saw a thread earlier where M2Fs were discussing when to tell someone about the fact they're trans. Many replied that they wouldn't tell, or wouldn't tell unless it was serious. M2Fs have that advantage, later on, of passing -that- well. A F2M will always have to tell the moment sex (or nakedness) becomes part of the equation...because they aren't going to pass.

...and I'm rambling now. I suppose it's a trade off...F2Ms can pass more quickly, but not on an intimate level, whereas M2Fs have a more difficult time passing initially, but eventually can pass completely, naked or otherwise.
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