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Started by Berliegh, April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM

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Berliegh

I felt female from an early age in the knowledge that I wouldn't ever want to get married and felt because of my condition it wouldn't be fair on the future lady concerned. From about 13 onwards I dressed androgenously and had very long hair. Did anyone else take a similar path and avoid the marriage sinario altogether?
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Kimberly

Jeans, t-shirt and long hair was my normal presentation; That said, I've never found anyone of interest that was also interested in me. That is the major reason why I was single up to "shortly" before it dawned on me that I was a girl, and of course that rather sunk the arrangement and I ended up single again. In my perspective I was sadly clueless and would have married someone had things worked like that; That said... *shrug*
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tekla

>>>> just wishes she had avoided the whole 'getting married thing."
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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NicholeW.

Actually, Berleigh, I imagine that you and others who never married are just more 'real' or 'moral' than those of us who did.

That does always seem to be an angle lurking in that question.

But, I wouldn't give up my very 'real' children for all the estrogen in the world.

N~
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Kate

Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
I felt female from an early age in the knowledge that I wouldn't ever want to get married and felt because of my condition it wouldn't be fair on the future lady concerned. From about 13 onwards I dressed androgenously and had very long hair. Did anyone else take a similar path and avoid the marriage sinario altogether?

No. I didn't. I dressed as a male until transitoning, kept my hair short and masculine neat, and married and had sex with a woman.

~Kate~
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Nero

Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
I felt female from an early age in the knowledge that I wouldn't ever want to get married and felt because of my condition it wouldn't be fair on the future lady concerned.

But what if you had been lesbian? Why not take advantage of marriage rights?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Elincubus

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Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AMDid anyone else take a similar path and avoid the marriage sinario altogether?
Nero has definitly a point there--even if one knew there was "something wrong" with him/her, that doesn't necessarily mean they marry somebody just to get married and to prove that they are normal (like a closeted homosexual might).

I couldn't have a relationship with somebody, let alone marry that person, without telling them about my GID, but if the person knows and accept why not marry him/her if marriage rights allow it?

And not everyone knew about their GID when they got married.
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buttercup

Quote from: Nichole on April 25, 2008, 11:15:51 AM
Actually, Berleigh, I imagine that you and others who never married are just more 'real' or 'moral' than those of us who did.

That does always seem to be an angle lurking in that question.

But, I wouldn't give up my very 'real' children for all the estrogen in the world.

N~


Yep, I agree.  :)


Quote from: Nero on April 25, 2008, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
I felt female from an early age in the knowledge that I wouldn't ever want to get married and felt because of my condition it wouldn't be fair on the future lady concerned.


But what if you had been lesbian? Why not take advantage of marriage rights?

Exactly right Nero.  :)
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tinkerbell

Was I supposed to?  ;) ;D  Well, in my case it is simple really.  I am a heterosexual woman, and I'm NOT attracted to females.  Now you can sue me!  :P

tink :icon_chick:
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Tink on April 25, 2008, 07:53:25 PM
Was I supposed to?  ;) ;D 

Of course you were!!! OMG, didn't you get the RULES back in 4th grade?!!! :laugh: :laugh:

Nichole
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Nichole on April 25, 2008, 08:12:55 PM
Quote from: Tink on April 25, 2008, 07:53:25 PM
Was I supposed to?  ;) ;D 

Of course you were!!! OMG, didn't you get the RULES back in 4th grade?!!! :laugh: :laugh:

Nichole

;D  I knew what I liked since I was two or three.  I just can't imagine how my life would have turned out if I had married a woman (assuming that my sexual orientation had been different of course).  I like to be the pretty one, the one in a white dress walking down the aisle.  Got that?  :P ;D

tink :icon_chick:
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Tink on April 25, 2008, 08:18:18 PM
Quote from: Nichole on April 25, 2008, 08:12:55 PM
Quote from: Tink on April 25, 2008, 07:53:25 PM
Was I supposed to?  ;) ;D 



Of course you were!!! OMG, didn't you get the RULES back in 4th grade?!!! :laugh: :laugh:

Nichole

;D  I knew what I like since I was two or three.  I just can't imagine how my life would have turned out if I had married a woman (assuming that my sexual orientation had been different of course).  I like to be the pretty one, the one in a white dress walking down the aisle.  Got that?  :P ;D

tink :icon_chick:


Hey, girlfriend, I got it, but I believe that there's someone else who needs to know it more than I do!!!  >:D

N~

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Laura Eva B

Quote from: Tink on April 25, 2008, 07:53:25 PM
Was I supposed to?  ;) ;D  Well, in my case it is simple really.  I am a heterosexual woman, and I'm NOT attracted to females.  Now you can sue me!  :P

tink :icon_chick:
EXACTLY  ;) !!!

Liked girls, but as friends, the idea of being sexual with them as a guy just seemed a totally bizzare idea. 

All my teenage fantasies were me being a girl with this "strong, loving, perfect" guy ....

Even had huge crushes on a couple of close guy friends who though "well straight" I felt treated me like they would a girl ...  ::) ....

I envy TS women for their children, but just can't relate at all to how they got there.

Or understand why we "unmarrieds" seem to be in a minority in of all places a TS forum ...  ??? ....

Laura x

P.S.
"Didn't you get the RULES back in 4th grade?!!!"  ..... think the rules must have been a very American thing   :o ::) ;D !!!
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samanthawhalen

Quote from: Elincubus on April 25, 2008, 03:24:37 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AMDid anyone else take a similar path and avoid the marriage sinario altogether?
Nero has definitly a point there--even if one knew there was "something wrong" with him/her, that doesn't necessarily mean they marry somebody just to get married and to prove that they are normal (like a closeted homosexual might).

I couldn't have a relationship with somebody, let alone marry that person, without telling them about my GID, but if the person knows and accept why not marry him/her if marriage rights allow it?

And not everyone knew about their GID when they got married.

That would be moi! (waves hand)  If I could transition fully (which will likely never happen because I don't "look" like a woman in the face) AND my wife still love me for WHO I am -- if I go too far she will divorce me -- I would.  As much as I love my wife and my son, if I'd known what I was before we met, then I would have never gotten married and I would have never had a son.  I'm very grateful to have both, but am saddened that I can't be me in fear of losing my family :(

Aeron
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louise000

Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
I felt female from an early age in the knowledge that I wouldn't ever want to get married and felt because of my condition it wouldn't be fair on the future lady concerned.

You did the right thing Kim. You obviously didn't try to kid yourself like I did.
L.

Posted on: April 26, 2008, 07:20:10 AM
Quote from: AeronTG on April 25, 2008, 11:21:20 PM

That would be moi! (waves hand)  If I could transition fully (which will likely never happen because I don't "look" like a woman in the face) AND my wife still love me for WHO I am -- if I go too far she will divorce me -- I would.  As much as I love my wife and my son, if I'd known what I was before we met, then I would have never gotten married and I would have never had a son.  I'm very grateful to have both, but am saddened that I can't be me in fear of losing my family :(

Aeron

You are not alone on here. I'm in the same position except we don't have children.
L.
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Mari

Quote from: Nichole on April 25, 2008, 11:15:51 AM
But, I wouldn't give up my very 'real' children for all the estrogen in the world.

I would relly like to see which children are then "unreal", adopted ones or....???
I'd like to have my biological children as well, but i have to accept that it is simply
impossible (yet?). Sure if i were a lesbian i would consider storing sperm and  having
biological children with my future partner, but i am not.
I really don't get that "trading children for estrogen". I want to be a mother (one day)
but with my current reproducitve sistem (which is still intact) i can only be a father.
Having in mind I just cant relate to any male social role, my children would end up with
2 mothers. That is not the choice I would ever make; but that doesn't mean i don't respect
others who do.
no hard fealings :)
She is no longer trapped by destiny
And ever since she let go of the past
She found her life was beginning
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NicholeW.

None taken. The point was simply that if I had to choose between losing my children and losing my estrogen I'd lose the estrogen.

I would hardly trade one for another, though.

But, two mothers or even three is not a horrible situation -- regardless the posturing of some so-called leaders in groups like Focus on the Family.

Children need love and attention and it matters not whether they get that from two men, two women, eight people of mixed gender or from a village of two hundred people of all sorts.

We have placed an inordinate amount of emphasis on the 'nuclear family' over the past two generations -- mostly due to economic reasons, as people have moved from place to place and left behind so much of what was once 'family.'

One man and one woman is a seventy year thing, the extended family has been with us for millions of years.

No one else has to validate my choices and actions by doing them the same way. In fact if I wait for that or feel that, then I must not feel particularly validated within myself.

I knew what I knew, did what I did. It was okay. Just as your choices, Mari, are okay.

My difficulty with this particualr question is that it is almost always and invariably a set-up for someone trying to win validation for herself or himself by opposing 'having children' and 'not having children' as some kind of 'real/true transsexual' litmus test.

While my point is this: whatever I have to sacrifice for my children I shall. And no matter what else, I shall never, ever, regret their existence. If someone wants to try to plump her own validity with how one answers that question, then fine for her. Hope she feels validated.

I just wonder why she didn't feel validated before asking the question and getting the answers. That seems like a problem much more intrinsic to herself and much more worthy of her investigation. 

Nichole

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soldierjane

Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
I felt female from an early age in the knowledge that I wouldn't ever want to get married and felt because of my condition it wouldn't be fair on the future lady concerned. From about 13 onwards I dressed androgenously and had very long hair. Did anyone else take a similar path and avoid the marriage sinario altogether?

What is the "marriage scenario"? You're basically asking "who's a straight woman and found the courage to assert it from an early age?" There's some of us who have always identified as gynephile and are lesbians after transition who I'm sure, as Nero mentioned, took advantage of being able to marry a woman. What about those who had relationships with gay men before transition, I'm sure they had a hard time without being married, so a "future gentleman" deserves a mention too.
As for me, I always liked boys but I hated myself for it and anyway being with a boy as a boy felt weird. Girls were awesome in a "I'm doomed to never be one" way.
And yes, I had long hair from an early age, can remember feeling like a girl when I was about 3, never married and had no children so I guess I'm real; alas I also had deep relationships with a couple of women and sported a beard at 18-19. **fake TS alarm!** :P
To be honest Ber, this smacks of "who's real/who's not" talk and we need it like the proverbial fish needs the proverbial bicycle.

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Mari

Quote from: Nichole on April 26, 2008, 07:30:53 AM
My difficulty with this particualr question is that it is almost always and invariably a set-up for someone trying to win validation for herself or himself by opposing 'having children' and 'not having children' as some kind of 'real/true transsexual' litmus test.

While my point is this: whatever I have to sacrifice for my children I shall. And no matter what else, I shall never, ever, regret their existence. If someone wants to try to plump her own validity with how one answers that question, then fine for her. Hope she feels validated.

Yes, and unfortunatly 'real/true transsexual' crap is what appears too often;
and not just from ignorant people you have to deal on daily basis but within trans
community itself.
Once you have children, you take a great deal of responsibility for them, aside from
immense joy and happines they certanly bring, and you stop doing things having only
yourself in mind
She is no longer trapped by destiny
And ever since she let go of the past
She found her life was beginning
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samanthawhalen

Quote from: soldierjane on April 26, 2008, 09:20:05 AM
Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
I felt female from an early age in the knowledge that I wouldn't ever want to get married and felt because of my condition it wouldn't be fair on the future lady concerned. From about 13 onwards I dressed androgenously and had very long hair. Did anyone else take a similar path and avoid the marriage sinario altogether?

What is the "marriage scenario"? You're basically asking "who's a straight woman and found the courage to assert it from an early age?" There's some of us who have always identified as gynephile and are lesbians after transition who I'm sure, as Nero mentioned, took advantage of being able to marry a woman. What about those who had relationships with gay men before transition, I'm sure they had a hard time without being married, so a "future gentleman" deserves a mention too.
As for me, I always liked boys but I hated myself for it and anyway being with a boy as a boy felt weird. Girls were awesome in a "I'm doomed to never be one" way.
And yes, I had long hair from an early age, can remember feeling like a girl when I was about 3, never married and had no children so I guess I'm real; alas I also had deep relationships with a couple of women and sported a beard at 18-19. **fake TS alarm!** :P
To be honest Ber, this smacks of "who's real/who's not" talk and we need it like the proverbial fish needs the proverbial bicycle.



I agree, I'm tired of all the "I'm more a woman than you are" (when neither of us are)

Posted on: April 26, 2008, 09:48:31 AM
So true, Mari, SO TRUE!  :D

Aeron
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