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Does it have to be labeled?

Started by trapthavok, August 15, 2008, 11:40:46 PM

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trapthavok

I really hate labels and such, I just feel we are who we are and we don't have to put a label on it, but sometimes other people need labels to understand. Sad, but true. A recent coming out chat with my parents, as well as a chat with an MTF friend got me to thinking though and I can't get this off my mind....

Here are the points:

Presentation:
-I like dressing as male, this is a big deal for me. I will never wear another dress or bra again, and I love my binder to death. When my packer comes in, I may well be as enthusiased about it as I am my binder, but right now it's more about the upper half for me than the lower half.

-I like my unique hairstyle. Though it doesn't look like the average african american male's do, I love the way it feels and brushes and am not sure I want it any shorter right now even to "pass".

-I LOVE being called Nathaniel. I can't explain it, but somehow it just feels right as though it really is my name and was meant to be my name. I don't tell people to call me that for kicks.

-I want to be perceived as male by other people, strangers, friends, you name it. I don't ever want to be mistaken for a girl. I don't like being asked if I'm a boy or girl. Frankly that's just embarrassing. I want to check that "male" box on applications. I want to go to job interviews in a suit and tie, and dress for work everyday thereafter in a tie and dress shirt (but only if required to!!) as opposed to skirt/pants outfits and the like

Body Dysphoria:
-I don't HATE my body per sei. My boobs get in the way, yes. Only 50% of the time do I ever wish I had a male looking chest. Don't ask me to look at them or touch them, but otherwise it's as if I'm ignoring them most of the time. I don't think I'd want them touched sexually but I guess I can't know since I've never been in that position.

-I've never wanted a penis before, in fact I'd just be happy with the STP. Standing to pee...I find it fun/exciting. To be perfectly honest. But if I had to stand to pee, I'd want it to look like a penis, but would just be happy with a packer STP rather than the real thing.

-I want the muscles that come with being male and my obsession with the gym, but the thought of being a muscular female does not appeal to me. Not in the slightest. It's gross to me.

-I love my underarm hair and the tiny little hint of a happy trail I have, as well as the genital hair (sorry if I grossed you out) and I don't think I could ever really date a lesbian who was obsessed with the shaving of the crotch, cause I don't like doing that. 50% of the time I wish I had a beard (sincerely) but the other percentage I'm okay with what I look like, and 50% of the time I wish I had hairier legs.


Transition?

-I'm all for legally changing my name. It's the only thing I really want/am excited about.

-I don't think I'm ready for T yet, seeing as I'm happy with the thought of being on it only 50% of the time and it's SUCH a permanent change. I don't know if it will ever be 100% and I'm not going to rush the idea.

-I don't want top surgery right now.  It would only be a matter of convenience for me as in "it would be more convenient to have a male chest" than anything else at this point in my life.

-I don't want phalloplasty. At all. The only reason I would ever want a penis is for sexual activity. It depresses me that I'll never be able to feel a woman the same way a bio male does, as in 100%, but that's the only reason I would ever want one.

Sexually

-I wish I was a man. I wish I had the erection/natural feeling in penis thing going for me. I wish I had the smooth flat chest a woman could love to touch.

-In my present body, I don't want to be touched the way I desire to touch a woman.

-I want to be seen as someone's boyfriend.



Sorry this was so long. Can anyone else relate to any of these feelings? I'd really appreciate a response, even if you don't relate to ALL of them. I don't know what I consider myself with all these feelings, and normally it wouldn't bother me, but I don't feel these are "normal" thoughts for any "girl."
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Lachlann

On certain things I can sympathize.

Ditto on everything except for some of the transition bit. I think my female body is alright and I like to be proud of myself but its not for me. I don't hate the body in that sense, I don't think its ugly, but its definitely not mine. My body is supposed to be masculine, not feminine.

I used to have quite a bit of dysphoria about not having a penis but it wasn't all that bad. When I was younger, like 5 years old I would get upset that I didn't have a penis and other times I would have strong desires, but lately it hasn't been as bad as my chest. Like you, I would only truly want one for sexual purposes. I don't want phalloplasty either because the current technology doesn't appeal to me and various other personal things... for some guys its right up their alley, but for me its not and thats ok.

As for sexuality, I have to say its the same here.

Bro, you're definitely not alone. Don't forget that. :)
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Aiden

I understand, it's the ability to ignore parts of your body I think has kept me going so far. 

Though personally I know without doubt I want the breasts gone.  I wanted them gone when I had reduction and that was before I realized I had gender issues.  Having a penis is not a huge deal to me except that in all my sexual imaginings I could just feel that part reacting and the sensation as if it was actually there.  But with current medican I don't know, I don't want to loose sensation down there as I need that sensation to keep my imaginings alive lol

I would loved to grow a beard, and hope can lol don't know.  Probably could but not sure if will have bald spots like father lol, and I do have slight bit of Native American indian in ancestory.

But yeh if your comfortable with a lot of what you have, that is good.  Saves you money in long run lol
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Jack Daniels

 True, I hate labels too, anything running from race to sex to ect. because as soon as someone calls a person that label, other people's preconceptions about that "label" come forth and almost immediately they are expecting people to act as whatever label has been said. Personally I believe everyone should be a human being first and whatever label second or not at all. But unfortunely, like you said, they are kind of needed because of clarification and avoidance of offence. My father and I kept talkin about the pregnant man on TV and my dad kept calling him an "it" and "thing" and "freak" and "woman". I said he was a person and a less offensive term "transman" but he would not hear it.
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Aiden

sorry guess I missed point of thread again lol  I keep going off the point
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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kestin

Pretty much everythings the same for me except that I definitely want and will be starting T. As well as, I do want some time in the next couple of years to have chest surgery.
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trannyboy

I will take a shot at this...

Presentation:
- I dress like a guy but I have my own unique style (whats wrong with socks and sandals anyway) I like simple faded natural colors and pants that fit. (why does anyone want a wedgie from bending over)

- My hair is always the same cut and my barber loves it. I don't have to explain he just grabs the razor and starts cutting. I hate hair touching my neck, ears or face.  I can ignore my hair and nobody minds, or I can spike it up, dye it or look really preppy. I can get a hair cut in 15 minutes and it looks good. I could never spend all day in the salon.

- I had a few names over the years but I like my name now. It reminds me of the people who helped me get to this point and reminds me why I did this. I don't even acknowledge the old name and didn't respond to it anyways. My name is who I am and what I wish to be called. I never tell people the old name and now when I hear it I don't think of me, I am looking for someone else.

- I am mostly perceived as male and it is just confusing when strangers say miss. I hate the boy/girl question and invariably stare the person down and say I am a boy and you? If the press the issue I tell them to ->-bleeped-<- off. I check the male box and did even when they insisted that I was a girl.

Body Dysphoria:
- I hate my body or at least I hated my body from puberty onwards. Now I had chest surgery and I like my upper body. I still hate my lower body. I don't know yet if that will change as well with surgery. I like the way the rest of my body looks with "T". I still haven't entirely lost the feeling that came during puberty of my body betraying me. It is better but some days I just can't deal with it.

- I want a penis for bulk, sex, masturbation, peeing and just for me.

- I want to be muscled like some men I know but since I don't work out I must not want it that much.

- I like my body hair except I wish I had more facial and chest hair.

Transition
- Name change done and I am so happy. I started T many years ago and am now working to try and idealize my medication. I had

Sexually
- I wish I had a body I could share completely with my partners without shame of disgust. I can only be touched in places other then my genital area. I want to be someone partner and companion.

Hope this helps somewhat but more important is you are not alone. We have some things in common but still wonderfully unique.

->-bleeped-<-boy
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ConfusedMichelle

Nate, you and I are so much alike it's scary.  I can relate to so much of what you just said. 
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Lutin

QuoteSorry this was so long. Can anyone else relate to any of these feelings? I'd really appreciate a response, even if you don't relate to ALL of them. I don't know what I consider myself with all these feelings, and normally it wouldn't bother me, but I don't feel these are "normal" thoughts for any "girl."

Yes, and I know exactly what you mean. I've been thinking about these thoughts and feelings for *years* now, and how they just cannot be what "normal girls" experience, so it's so nice to know I'm not the only one (though I suspect I should have expected that by now, it happens almost every time I'm on Susan's :laugh:).

Presentation

-I like dressing as male, this is a big deal for me. I will never wear another dress or bra again, and I love my binder to death. When my packer comes in, I may well be as enthusiased about it as I am my binder, but right now it's more about the upper half for me than the lower half.

-I swore off wearing dresses when I was about 12, and although I do have some nice summery skirts that Mum kept badgering me to wear, I managed to get through all of summer in jeans (very proud of that :icon_mrhappy:). And then when I was trying to figure out what to wear for my graduation, it was "What about that lovely skirt I got you?" - "No, pants." (Actually, it was more of a one-word "Nopants." Though a polite one word, of course :angel:). It was a nice skirt, and I do still have them all, but I just really wasn't in the mood for feeling like a guy in lace, which is what happens whenever I decide to try "pretty" (hasn't happened for a while :P). As for the top half, I've just started binding and buying guys' shirts, and it's great! As you said, it feels right. I've also stopped wearing low-cut tops. 8)

-I like my unique hairstyle. Though it doesn't look like the average african american male's do, I love the way it feels and brushes and am not sure I want it any shorter right now even to "pass".

-I'm brunet and my hair (sort of wavy, not dead straight but not ringlet-y either) goes down to my bum, and while I keep thinking that I should probably get it cut to a less-obviously-female length...I actually rather like having long hair. It's usually in a ponytail or something so you can't see that it's that long (one of those pony-tails where you pull it through the hair-tie 2 1/2 times, so it's sort of doubled over and short...), but it's still nice having it.

-I want to be perceived as male by other people, strangers, friends, you name it. I don't ever want to be mistaken for a girl. I don't like being asked if I'm a boy or girl. Frankly that's just embarrassing. I want to check that "male" box on applications. I want to go to job interviews in a suit and tie, and dress for work everyday thereafter in a tie and dress shirt (but only if required to!!) as opposed to skirt/pants outfits and the like

-Oh yes! Getting sick of female pronouns, they just feel wrong, wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong! I want the world to look at me and think "male". "Yes, you're right, he does look a tad effeminate, I'll agree with you there, but you say you think he's a *woman*? You serious?!!! No way mate, he's definfitely a man, no doubt there!!!" Ah, one can dream... ^-^ (I filled out an application form recently, and it had "Gender: Male _ Female_" and I was soooo tempted to put "male"...but it was for uni, so I figured I'd better stick to what I look like. :icon_bored:).

Body Dysphoria

-I don't HATE my body per sei. My boobs get in the way, yes. Only 50% of the time do I ever wish I had a male looking chest. Don't ask me to look at them or touch them, but otherwise it's as if I'm ignoring them most of the time. I don't think I'd want them touched sexually but I guess I can't know since I've never been in that position.

-All of what you said. *Hate* them when it comes to dancing. >:( Such a pain! Other times, yes, I tend to ignore them, though it's a bit hard, 'cause there's sort of this plateau halfway down my chest that I can't see past at all. I love binding, 'cause I lose the plateau almost completely! I tend to wear a lot of big, cosy pull-over hoodies, and it goes from there being two great lumps in the middle of the jumper to more-or-less flat, it's fantastic!!! :icon_walk:

-I love my underarm hair and the tiny little hint of a happy trail I have, as well as the genital hair (sorry if I grossed you out) and I don't think I could ever really date a lesbian who was obsessed with the shaving of the crotch, cause I don't like doing that. 50% of the time I wish I had a beard (sincerely) but the other percentage I'm okay with what I look like, and 50% of the time I wish I had hairier legs.

-Can't say I'm a great fan of underarm hair personally, though if I can get away with not shaving then I will. My legs I'll only shave if I have dancing and people will see them, but I tend to wear long trakkies then, so at the moment I have about 2-3 months' worth of winter coat. :laugh: It's great, 'cause I have dark hair and big calves, so they don't look like a dainty woman's legs at all. ;D Everywhere else I never shave. :P

And I don't have a snail trail. :'(

Transition?

-I don't think I'm ready for T yet, seeing as I'm happy with the thought of being on it only 50% of the time and it's SUCH a permanent change. I don't know if it will ever be 100% and I'm not going to rush the idea.

-Yep. Thought I was happy not doing anything at all, but turned out that I wasn't, so I'm going in baby steps. Clothes first, and then binding. Haven't been out of the house yet with a binder on, but hoping to do so tomorrow at uni. :-\ We'll see... Depends on how things go after that, if I feel I need to go further. Can't imagine going the whole way, but at the same time I can't stand the thought of living the rest of my life as a woman. As I said, we'll see...

-I don't want top surgery right now.  It would only be a matter of convenience for me as in "it would be more convenient to have a male chest" than anything else at this point in my life.

-Yes, binding's working swimmingly at the moment, don't think I'll go in for anything major for a while. And only one person knows about it thus far, so I'd have to tell my parents and everything, and I'd really rather get things straightened out in my own head before confusing the rest of the world. :P

-I don't want phalloplasty. At all. The only reason I would ever want a penis is for sexual activity. It depresses me that I'll never be able to feel a woman the same way a bio male does, as in 100%, but that's the only reason I would ever want one.

-Same. It'd probably be with another man, not a woman, but the same. And you're right, it is a depressing thought. :'(

Sexually

-I wish I was a man. I wish I had the erection/natural feeling in penis thing going for me. I wish I had the smooth flat chest a woman could love to touch.

-Yes. Just, yes, absolutely.

-In my present body, I don't want to be touched the way I desire to touch a woman.

-Again, yes. Cannot imagine being, do not want to imagine being, and do not want to be, a woman in that situation. A man in that situation, be it with another man or a woman, that I have no issues with at all. But not ever as a woman.

-I want to be seen as someone's boyfriend.

-Yes! Yesyesyesyesyes!!!!! I'm a fairly submissive, passive person, but I do *not* want to be the girlfriend. At all.

Sorry, that was fairly long-winded and possibly a wee bit nonsensical (it's about 5am here. Who needs sleep, seriously? ::)), but yes, that's me. It's funny, I had a bad case of depression a few months ago (not suicidal, but panic attacks and whatnot), and I went to a psychologist twice, and that made me feel better about things at home (the adolescent-younger-sibling-ruining-family-life thing), but it was actually my own discovery and acceptance of being TG which helped the most. Even Mum was saying recently that I seemed much better and that the psych. seemed to have helped, and he did, but I honestly think it was really just finding out that there is a reason (and if not a reason, certainly a name) which explains why I've been feeling and thinking all that I have these past X number of years. I've accepted that I'm a gay TG FtM, and really, everything is just so much better! I'm just so much more comfortable in my own skin, even though physically I haven't changed at all (excepting binding, maybe).

Sorry, early morning rambling again, tut tut. :icon_no: But yes, I hope that's helped. It's always a relief to know you're not the only one (thanks for posting this, by the way!!!).

:icon_hug:

Lutin
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trapthavok

Talking to these people made me begin to doubt my being an FtM TG even though I've already accepted that this is who I am. I am grateful for the reassurance guys, it's always nice to know that you're not alone in the world no matter how unique we all are.

Lutin, I SO read everything you said. Not longwinded at all, more like very helpful :) You should totally start wearing your binder outside the house dude, I haven't worn a bra since I got mine. No one seems to have noticed that I'm wearing it either, it's like suddenly my boobs seem to have disappeared and no one goes "wtf happened" so you might be able to get away with it. :) Then again I'm a B cup so there wasn't much there in the first place.... And I totally redid my wardrobe (the casual side, haven't gotten to the dressy side yet) and I'm excited about wearing my new clothes, but I try to save it for back to school time :) Though if I ever change my mind, my girl clothes are in my closet on the floor in a garbage bag. But I doubt that will ever happen because like you said, I can't see myself being a woman the rest of my life.

->-bleeped-<-boy, there are so many things wrong with socks and sandals :D but to each his own. I like your reaction when people ask if you're a girl, I might steal it.

I'm glad we all have Susan's here to help us sort through our thoughts ^^ Aiden, you weren't off subject btw. No worries.
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cindianna_jones

Nate,

I have felt many similar feelings that you feel.  Even though I went the "other way", I always wanted to hear "my" name, to be refered to as female, to wear women's clothing..... you know, similar, just in the opposite direction.

I will agree with you on one thing though.  I don't think I will ever again wear a dress.  I'm just not interested.

Cindi
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Elwood

I'll give my points, like you did yours.

Presentation:

-I like dressing and presenting myself as male. Sometimes I will take a somewhat effeminate approach; meaning I'll wear some wacky colors or odd accessories. Most of the time, though, I'm a jeans and t shirt kind of guy. Sometimes I'll wear button down shirts, and my most favorite of all is wearing my suit. I want to get other suits so I'll have a variety of colors. I find them absolutely splendors. Let's face it; I'm a total flamer.

-I do not have an actual binder. Instead, I use girl's sports bras on occasion or standard tank tops (boy's or girl's, whichever fits better). I really don't like sports bras, because they draw my attention to my chest. I can really feel it squishing my chest. I imagine I would not like a binder very much. In any case, I did swear I would never wear a bra again, but the sports bra really flattens out my chest without putting an unreasonable amount of pressure on my breasts. I will also admit that I still wear girl's underwear a lot, because it keeps my pack (which is just a sock, lol) in place. I would not be able to get away with briefs-- not yet. But when I get my own job, I will go underwear shopping in the boy's department.

-My hairstyle is pretty much based off of the fact that I've noticed almost every guy I've seen that parted his hair to the left was attractive to me. Naturally, my hair always parted to the right. But I decided to switch it... I switched it right about the time I accepted my gender identity. It was a personal change I made for myself.

-My name of choice is Daniel... I always tell people, "you can call me Dan." I really like the name. It's great. I try to ignore the fact that my whole family thinks I'm trying to be a little Dan Aykroyd. Since I came out and started using the name Dan, I actually identified with Dan Aykroyd a whole lot less. I've released him; I am not thinking about him like I used to. For once, I feel like I'm totally me. The name really fits, too. A lot of people say I look like a Dan.

-Being perceived as male really works for me. It doesn't necessarily get me excited, but rather, when I am perceived as female, I feel uncomfortable. When I am addressed as a male, some of my anxiety goes away. Despite the fact that I am legally female, I present as male full time now, and despite the fact that my name is legally Sara, I request that people call me Dan.

Body Dysphoria:

-My period causes me major distress. During this time of the month, my breasts are hard and swollen. My nipples are erect and won't relax. My vaginal area is raw and pink and sensitive. A lot of straight guys think that stuff is sexy on a girl. I do too, but not on my own body. I really don't like it. I also feel external pain around my vaginal area. I've seen my doctor and there's no "reason" for it. My pads are not causing me irritation; I've taken all the precautions. One of the worst parts of my period is that I feel like I am wounded. I feel like someone cut my balls off and stabbed me between the legs and that I'm bleeding and a result. During my period, I am not "angsty" like most girls are, but instead, morbid, because a guy really shouldn't have to go through this.

-Not having a penis is a big problem for me. I feel like something is constantly missing. I have occasional phantom sensations. I can feel the little ->-bleeped-<-er but it's not there to scratch or adjust. If I feel penile discomfort, there is nothing I can do about it. Also, when I am aroused and want to get off, I can't, because nothing is bloody there. Touching my female parts causes me a lot of discomfort, and I loose the mood. It's a turn off.

-I really want a flat chest. I have an A cup, so my breasts are not large. But they're large enough to be bigger than what a guy has. I personally find flat chests attractive on both men and women, but I really want to have a flat chest myself. It feels right to me. When I lay on my back shirtless before bed and my chest looks flat, I feel good about myself.

-I do not want to be "buff" or big, but I do wish I were taller. In a perfect world, I'd be around 6 feet. I'd be long and lanky. I wouldn't be husky or anything, but I wouldn't be extraordinarily thin, either. I'd prefer just to have a pretty average but somewhat long bone structure. Like my dad, actually. He's 5'11" and around... 170lbs? Something like that. And I'm content with that look. Any muscles I want to have will come from the work I do at the construction site and the exercise I do for dance.

-As for body hair, it isn't major to me. I shave under my arms for hygiene reasons. I might stop after I've started T. I personally just think it would look a little odd to have furry arm pits and hair nowhere else. I think T will really be rewarding. The first time I get stubble will be pretty exciting for me. I started shaving my peach fuzz in the mornings and by the evenings my face is a little rough. I enjoy that. I'm not sure if that has to do with dysphoria, but it certainly helps my self image. I don't shave my legs or anything else; just my face and under my arms. I do often shave the bikini area as a force of habit. I also hate little scratchy hair between my legs.

Transition?

-I am already presenting as Daniel to the public. I will start the legal process of changing my name after having a doctor able to write me some sort of letter. I have to change my name with the court and I want some tangible evidence that I'm transitioning. If I didn't have to go to court to change my name, then I'd be changing it ASAP. I originally thought I could do so at the DMV, but it's only an alias if I do that.

-I am ready for T, or rather, I am now certain I want it. My doctor will determine whether or not I am emotionally ready.

-Top surgery is what I will next seek after T has started. I really want to get rid of these things while they're still small.

-I do not want phalloplasty. I think it looks pretty gross, no offense to the guys that have them. I will probably seek medioplasty and work with prosthetics. It does bother me that I cannot be intimate with a man or woman with my own skin, but it's better than nothing, I suppose.

Sexually

-I've had "fantasies" since I was little. In those fantasies, I was always a boy. My partner's gender varied. I don't have any sexual experience yet, but in my dreams, I've always been a pretty touchy-feely person. Sex wasn't all about my penis, but it was still involved.

-I have no sexual experience because I don't want to in this body. I don't want my breasts to be caressed or my female parts to be stimulated. I want to be seen as a man when I am exploring intimacies with someone. It's hard to do that when you look like a very cute girl when you're naked.

-Sometimes I imagine I'd be fine being a transgirl; or a girl with a penis. Pretty much, if I was born some sort of biomale, I'd be happy. Because I can't be reborn, I'll do the next best thing; transition.
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Lutin

"I do not have an actual binder." (Dan). Mm, I bought a (very small) pair of those "tummy-flattening" knickers and cut out the "saddle" part. Not *flat* flat, but much flatter than before. :) I tried minimiser bras, but they didn't really seem to do all that much. Down from DD to D, maybe. ::) But yes, I'm a fan of ye olde cutting-the-bottom-out-of-underwear, particularly when the tops are rubberised, 'cause that stops it from slipping down all the time. :P And they're usually not too exy, and are very convenient, 'cause you can get them at most women's clothes shops.
QuoteYou should totally start wearing your binder outside the house dude, I haven't worn a bra since I got mine. No one seems to have noticed that I'm wearing it either, it's like suddenly my boobs seem to have disappeared and no one goes "wtf happened" so you might be able to get away with it.
Ta :laugh: I did wear it in to uni today underneath this big comfy hoodie (again :P), and no-one seemed to notice the rather significant decrease in size. HOWEVER, it was open day at uni, and one of my friends and I were manning the info area next to the LGBT club, and all of us were talking, and then my friend, completely out of the blue, asked if I'd taken to wearing men's clothes recently just because they're comfy, or if there were other reasons. She's really open-minded, and we've known each other for years, so I told her and this guy from the LGBT stand the truth, and all they did was shrug, like "Wow, I didn't expect you to be that open about it." But otherwise they were completely fine with it, which I knew my friend would be - it was just a question of whether to tell her or not, and given she asked (and therefore had probably figured a bit out for herself) I figured, why not? So yeah... *three* people (possibly four, if she tells her sister, whom I also know pretty well) know now. :)


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Lukas-H

Quote from: Elwood on August 16, 2008, 11:15:39 PM
-My period causes me major distress. During this time of the month, my breasts are hard and swollen. My nipples are erect and won't relax. My vaginal area is raw and pink and sensitive. A lot of straight guys think that stuff is sexy on a girl. I do too, but not on my own body. I really don't like it. I also feel external pain around my vaginal area. I've seen my doctor and there's no "reason" for it. My pads are not causing me irritation; I've taken all the precautions. One of the worst parts of my period is that I feel like I am wounded. I feel like someone cut my balls off and stabbed me between the legs and that I'm bleeding and a result. During my period, I am not "angsty" like most girls are, but instead, morbid, because a guy really shouldn't have to go through this.

With you all the way but I don't think ANYONE should have to go through the awful pain of a monthly cycle. I know some women try to take this 'accepting' approach to it, calling it their 'special' or 'moon' time or some BS like that but to be totally honest my cycle is nothing but a pain to me. I have a hard time feeling anything but hate when it starts out with me balled up in the fetal position because of how painful it is, sometimes nearly vomiting or passing out because of how severe the cramps are.
We are human, after all. -Daft Punk, Human After All

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Lutin

That's why I went on "The Pill" when I was 13, to stop the cramps. I'd be curled up with a hot waterbottle, without fail, every first day of them, and would have soaked the pad through within two hours of putting it on. Not kidding, utterly sh*thouse. Are you on the pill, Phate and Elwood? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, but seriously, it helps A LOT. I recently stopped taking it (kept forgetting, and not exactly using it as a contraceptive), and I'd forgotten just how much it used to hurt. I don't forget to take it now. ;) So yeah, maybe talk to your GPs about it? I'm not a doctor at all, so I don't know if there are certain T drugs it's not compatible with or whatever, but I'd seriously suggest telling your doctor, 'cause while it does hurt everyone a little bit, it shouldn't be hurting THAT much. :o


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Aiden

Time of month... gods!  I've been fortunante the pain is usually not that bad but I do bleed really heavy,  I tend to use the overnight pads all time and go through them around every 2 hours during heavist time.   

And yeh about same reason I'd rather have metioplasty that phellioplasty (danial)
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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trapthavok

Quote from: Phate on August 17, 2008, 02:01:45 AM
Quote from: Elwood on August 16, 2008, 11:15:39 PM
-My period causes me major distress. During this time of the month, my breasts are hard and swollen. My nipples are erect and won't relax. My vaginal area is raw and pink and sensitive. A lot of straight guys think that stuff is sexy on a girl. I do too, but not on my own body. I really don't like it. I also feel external pain around my vaginal area. I've seen my doctor and there's no "reason" for it. My pads are not causing me irritation; I've taken all the precautions. One of the worst parts of my period is that I feel like I am wounded. I feel like someone cut my balls off and stabbed me between the legs and that I'm bleeding and a result. During my period, I am not "angsty" like most girls are, but instead, morbid, because a guy really shouldn't have to go through this.

With you all the way but I don't think ANYONE should have to go through the awful pain of a monthly cycle. I know some women try to take this 'accepting' approach to it, calling it their 'special' or 'moon' time or some BS like that but to be totally honest my cycle is nothing but a pain to me. I have a hard time feeling anything but hate when it starts out with me balled up in the fetal position because of how painful it is, sometimes nearly vomiting or passing out because of how severe the cramps are.

I used to get sickle cell attacks a lot as a kid then when I grew up I seemed to be getting better. Then I got my first menstrual cycle and every month thereafter I'd be sick as a dog, legs, arms, back, anything would be in excruciating pain EVERY month. So my hematologist put me on pills that were supposed to help patients with cancer, and it suppressed my monthly sickle cell attacks so I could go back to not missing school for a few days a month. But I still got terrible cramps on the first couple of days of my period every month so I had to go see an OBGYN. The last attack I remember before she gave me pills, was me rolling around on my bed in a feverish sweat because the cramps were so bad -- and eventually I blew chunks right there on my bed but still didn't feel better. Had to use a heating pad on my stomach and everything and I still felt like garbage. Well, thanks to the OBGYN pills AND the cancer pills, I can be "normal" during those times of the month, and I never forget these attacks I used to have so I never forget to take my pills. Maybe you need something too, like everyone said Elwood.

Maybe it's a sign that we're not supposed to (physically) be women :P Haha...I'm kidding, I'm sure there are other people out there who aren't trans with these bad attacks...

Quote from: Lutin on August 17, 2008, 01:39:18 AM
"I do not have an actual binder." (Dan). Mm, I bought a (very small) pair of those "tummy-flattening" knickers and cut out the "saddle" part. Not *flat* flat, but much flatter than before. :) I tried minimiser bras, but they didn't really seem to do all that much. Down from DD to D, maybe. ::) But yes, I'm a fan of ye olde cutting-the-bottom-out-of-underwear, particularly when the tops are rubberised, 'cause that stops it from slipping down all the time. :P And they're usually not too exy, and are very convenient, 'cause you can get them at most women's clothes shops.
QuoteYou should totally start wearing your binder outside the house dude, I haven't worn a bra since I got mine. No one seems to have noticed that I'm wearing it either, it's like suddenly my boobs seem to have disappeared and no one goes "wtf happened" so you might be able to get away with it.
Ta :laugh: I did wear it in to uni today underneath this big comfy hoodie (again :P), and no-one seemed to notice the rather significant decrease in size. HOWEVER, it was open day at uni, and one of my friends and I were manning the info area next to the LGBT club, and all of us were talking, and then my friend, completely out of the blue, asked if I'd taken to wearing men's clothes recently just because they're comfy, or if there were other reasons. She's really open-minded, and we've known each other for years, so I told her and this guy from the LGBT stand the truth, and all they did was shrug, like "Wow, I didn't expect you to be that open about it." But otherwise they were completely fine with it, which I knew my friend would be - it was just a question of whether to tell her or not, and given she asked (and therefore had probably figured a bit out for herself) I figured, why not? So yeah... *three* people (possibly four, if she tells her sister, whom I also know pretty well) know now. :)

Sounds good for the guys with small boobs, but not all of us are that blessed ;) If I tried to use a sports bra, it would just make mine a fraction of an inch smaller. My binder actually makes me flatter, hence I don't wear bras anymore.

And Lutin, it's always great having supportive friends on your side so I'm glad you opened up :) Hope you join that LGBT club, most of my friends are lesbians from my LGBT club and having them as my friends is like having one big circle of loving support. They all know about my being T and they all respect me and call me Nate, and give me a shoulder to lean on if I ever need them. I'm only really close with 2 of them, but they all treat me the same.



Posted on: August 17, 2008, 01:15:03 PM
Elwood, looks like we have a lot of similar and dissimilar traits between the two of us. Body hair is major for me, since I don't have any really, and having a penis is major for you.... Thanks for posting bro. Glad to see you back by the way! I may be where you're at given time, but I'm going to look at this as us being in two different places in time. I just figured out my being trans, accepted it, and created my name. Soon I will be wearing the clothes I love (I obsess about saving new clothes for school, so I'm holding off) and you've already accepted yourself, came out to your parents, and had far more months than I to think about all of this. Maybe I'll want T some day (especially since I hate my voice) but for now I'm happy with the way I am.  I feel like things are slowly creeping up on me as more and more time goes by, like disgust for my voice and hairless body, so I remain open to the thought that I may one day want T.

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Janet_Girl


Interesting thread.  I like seeing what you guys are up to.

For my two cents.  I share many of the feeling that you all have stated,  the other direction of course.
But unlike Cindi, I love wearing dress and skirts.

Just to hear my name is a thrill, or to be call 'She' or 'Her'.

Some day I hope to have a companion, most likely after SRS.  But depending on the relationship, maybe soon.

Sorry for jumping in to a man's conversation, but you know us women, we do voice our opinions from time to time.

Mistress Janet

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trapthavok

Quote from: Elwood on August 16, 2008, 11:15:39 PM
-My name of choice is Daniel... I always tell people, "you can call me Dan." I really like the name. It's great. I try to ignore the fact that my whole family thinks I'm trying to be a little Dan Aykroyd. Since I came out and started using the name Dan, I actually identified with Dan Aykroyd a whole lot less. I've released him; I am not thinking about him like I used to. For once, I feel like I'm totally me. The name really fits, too. A lot of people say I look like a Dan.

By the way, I can't believe I forgot to add this but....whenever I tell some people I've chosen Nathaniel as my name, they reply with "...Like Nathaniel Hawthorne??" author of the Scarlet Letter, and probably some other stuff. It irks me when people say that because I don't find him inspirational or anything at all, I just really like the name Nathaniel. But the name fits, and I'm not changing it for people, don't change yours either if you love it as much as I love mine.

Janet and Cindi, I can't believe you guys feel like you're intruding here!! Your input is always welcome :) Thanks for the words of reassurance
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Janet_Girl


You're sweety, Nathaniel

Thank you.  And I like Nathaniel.  It's a strong name.

Mistress Janet

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