Thomas Beatty expecting again!

[joannatsf]

Barbara Walters just announced it on The View.

[Mister]

it's not the first of April, is it?

::cringes::

[joannatsf]

it's not the first of April, is it?

::cringes::

Barbara has an exclusive interview airing soon, tomorrow night.  Let's hope it's not April 1!

[gina]

Not again ....  I guess they didn't make enough money on the first one ...   

gina

[Mister]

let's hope it is.

I am so glad I don't own a television.

[Dev]

If it's not April 1st, it better be the Twilight Zone....
First time was bad enough with all the publicity...but a second? 
Way to make FtM a joke in the world. I better leave it at that because I have absolutely NOTHING positive to say about this.   

[GQjoey]

I respect the fact he has the balls to be outted as a "man that's pregnant". But I agree with the rest in that it makes f2m's a joke in a lot of peoples eyes. He needs to keep his personal life private, and quit trying to get famous.

[joannatsf]

First of all, there's no such thing as bad publicity.  Secondly, Thomas is a very masculine guy.  He's pushing the boundries of gender roles As well as the definition of family.  I think we all need to open our minds a little.

If and when I have SRS I plan on going off HRT and regain my fertility.  I want to bank some sperm just in case I ever find myself wanting to start a family with a person, male or female, that possesses a womb.

[Mister]

First of all, there's no such thing as bad publicity. 

As a fellow resident of SF, I'm surprised to read this from you.  Surely you haven't missed all the uproar surrounding prop 8 that is going on in our streets.  I know I can't open my email without at least ten messages about Prop 8.  The fundies killed gay marriage (or at least wounded it) in California.  What makes you think they won't do the same for trans rights?

I have no problem with him popping out as many kids as he so desires.  Him publicizing his pregnancies has impacted my life on a daily basis.  If you happen to travel from the East Bay, check out the advertisements in both the Fruitvale and El Cerrito BART stations (SF bound platforms) about recycling magazines- they both contain an image of the People Magazine "Pregnant Man!!!" headline.  I get to look at them almost daily when waiting for a train back to the city.  My favorite is when other very bored people waiting for a train coming from Richmond start reading it and discussing and laughing about the pregnant man.  And I can assure you, they are not kind.  And my hysterectomy!  My doctor's reservations in doing so weren't because of an insurance glitch or my age or doing a so-called transgender surgery or any sort of health risks, but rather he was concerned that I might not fully understand that this will prevent me from bearing children of my own, "... like that transsexual on Oprah.  Or is he still a transsexual?  I suppose that's unprofessional to ask you, isn't it?" 

Perhaps the MTF community doesn't feel as outed from mainstream society as the FTM community does, but we are still feeling the aftershocks from baby #1.  I'm glad my paperwork and my transition are complete and urge others to expedite changes to theirs.

[perfectisolation]

I dunno on one hand I admire his bravery to bear a child when his wife cant. i mean he must be pretty secure with his body and status as an ftm to go thru pregnancy. cause there's no way in hell that i would ever get pregnant by choice! I want those parts down there removed as quick as possible!
But if he had that much discomfort with himself as a female then why would he transition and then have all that junk inserted in the no-no area and have his body shape turn back to female??
Maybe he really is uncomfortable about it, but he feels it's something he has to do?
And what about the baby's health? I know he must of stopped testosterone but, wouldn't that of atrophied the lady parts??

and I agree with you guys, I don't like how this has gotten so much media attention, and that he's actually talking to them about it and going on shows and documentaries, makes him seem like he wants the attention. Obviously it's not his intention to make a joke out of it or make it like it's something negative, but of course the media has its own twisted agenda.. Maybe he shoulda just kept his mouth ... and legs, shut.

[trannyboy]

This post is disgusting and it isn't Thomas that is turning my stomach. The amount of bigotry here is revolting. It isn't my life and isn't your, we have no right to pass judgment least that judgment be turned on us. How can we expect society to accept us if we are so hateful towards our own community? So what if this man has a child or a dozen, so what if he makes news or gives interviews? What does it say about you? People will choose to discriminate against our community no matter what individuals do, should we justify it by saying he brought it on himself? Can anyone earn abuse? Thomas isn't the first FTM to get pregnant but he is the most well known. If you don't like the imagine Thomas is holding up for the world to see, give the world something else to see.

->-bleeped-<-boy

[sd]

Not to sound mean, but why was he even famous the first time.
It's no medical marvel, and nothing new.

[iFindMeHere]

My doctor's reservations in doing so weren't because of an insurance glitch or my age or doing a so-called transgender surgery or any sort of health risks, but rather he was concerned that I might not fully understand that this will prevent me from bearing children of my own, "... like that transsexual on Oprah.  Or is he still a transsexual?  I suppose that's unprofessional to ask you, isn't it?" 

Guess that's where I am fortunate to go "You know, I have one, lost a second, got the tubal when I was 24, never regretted it. TAKE THE DAMN THING OUT PLOX.

Posted on: November 14, 2008, 08:32:08 am

Not to sound mean, but why was he even famous the first time.
It's no medical marvel, and nothing new.

Come on, TV = shock porn. Also, Availability Heuristic BB

[joannatsf]

First of all, there's no such thing as bad publicity. 

As a fellow resident of SF, I'm surprised to read this from you.  Surely you haven't missed all the uproar surrounding prop 8 that is going on in our streets.  I know I can't open my email without at least ten messages about Prop 8.  The fundies killed gay marriage (or at least wounded it) in California.  What makes you think they won't do the same for trans rights?

Yes, I've noticed the uproar.  I have no doubt that prop 8 will be reversed one way or another.  The first anti-gay marriage initiative garnared 60% of the vote.  This one squeaked by with 52%.  There are already plans to place it on the ballot again in 2010 if the courts don't overturn it.

I have no problem with him popping out as many kids as he so desires.  Him publicizing his pregnancies has impacted my life on a daily basis.  If you happen to travel from the East Bay, check out the advertisements in both the Fruitvale and El Cerrito BART stations (SF bound platforms) about recycling magazines- they both contain an image of the People Magazine "Pregnant Man!!!" headline.  I get to look at them almost daily when waiting for a train back to the city.  My favorite is when other very bored people waiting for a train coming from Richmond start reading it and discussing and laughing about the pregnant man.  And I can assure you, they are not kind.  And my hysterectomy!  My doctor's reservations in doing so weren't because of an insurance glitch or my age or doing a so-called transgender surgery or any sort of health risks, but rather he was concerned that I might not fully understand that this will prevent me from bearing children of my own, "... like that transsexual on Oprah.  Or is he still a transsexual?  I suppose that's unprofessional to ask you, isn't it?" 

I rarely go to the East Bay but people have been laughing about trans people for a long time.  People are cruel, that's nothing new.

Doctors are always reluctant to perform sterilizing procedures on people that have not had a child because they frequently do regret it.  Your doctor may have a poor bedside manner but that hardly makes his concerns invalid.  He would have that hesitation with or without Thomas Beatty.

Perhaps the MTF community doesn't feel as outed from mainstream society as the FTM community does, but we are still feeling the aftershocks from baby #1.  I'm glad my paperwork and my transition are complete and urge others to expedite changes to theirs.

Given the realities of passability that is definately not the case.  Most FTMs I know pass easily.  Facial hair gives you a lot of credibility much the same as it detracts from that of MTFs that haven't completed the long process of having it removed.

Finally, do you really believe that the actions of one man in Bend, Oregon are going to harm anyone's transition?

[iFindMeHere]

Finally, do you really believe that the actions of one man in Bend, Oregon are going to harm anyone's transition?

"Well he *claims* to be a man,

but he's having a baby,"

so he must "really" be a woman."   

It undercuts the perception of our maleness.

[joannatsf]

Finally, do you really believe that the actions of one man in Bend, Oregon are going to harm anyone's transition?

"Well he *claims* to be a man,

but he's having a baby,"

so he must "really" be a woman."   

It undercuts the perception of our maleness.

Do you have a mouse in your pocket?  I know you don't speak for ALL transmen.   

[GQjoey]

Anyone else seen the comments on the article on AOL? It's hard enough for society to be understanding. I can't even imagine how much crap his children will get when they're old enough to go to school. All over greed.

[iFindMeHere]

Finally, do you really believe that the actions of one man in Bend, Oregon are going to harm anyone's transition?

"Well he *claims* to be a man,

but he's having a baby,"

so he must "really" be a woman."   

It undercuts the perception of our maleness.

Do you have a mouse in your pocket?  I know you don't speak for ALL transmen.   

I never claimed to. My opinion is mine and I'll share it if I choose.



Posted on: November 14, 2008, 09:57:29 am

Anyone else seen the comments on the article on AOL? It's hard enough for society to be understanding. I can't even imagine how much crap his children will get when they're old enough to go to school. All over greed.

nope--will you PM me a link?

[Mister]

Finally, do you really believe that the actions of one man in Bend, Oregon are going to harm anyone's transition?

"Well he *claims* to be a man,

but he's having a baby,"

so he must "really" be a woman."   

It undercuts the perception of our maleness.

Do you have a mouse in your pocket?  I know you don't speak for ALL transmen.   

None of us speak for all trans people, but I agree with him completely. 

As you undoubtedly know, most trans people currently take advantage of (and i do not mean this in a manipulative sense) very ambiguous laws and statutes that haven't necessarily been tested.  Or, as someone said in a thread a week or so ago, "it's legal 'til it's not."  The easiest way to keep these things from being dissected by fundies and their friends is to not rock the boat.

Posted on: November 14, 2008, 12:51:26 pmand i have never stated that I am childless.  For all you know, I've got ten running around from before I was male identified.

[Beyond]

Finally, do you really believe that the actions of one man in Bend, Oregon are going to harm anyone's transition?

"Well he *claims* to be a man,

but he's having a baby,"

so he must "really" be a woman."   

It undercuts the perception of our maleness.

*Deactivates Cloaking Device Momentarily*

She's right.  It really doesn't affect your life.  IMO this is internalized transphobia.  Just let it go.

*Resume Cloak*