nipple enlargement

[samantha1976ts]

i have small nipples and but i want more female like when i start on hrt will they get bigger or will peircing them help me out in that, ive heard that it helps if you pierce them im not sure..does anyone have any insight to my question? help please.

[vanna]

well i wouldnt resort to nipple piercing unless its your thing, i had to remove my last girlfriends with pliers when they became a big problem, she wasnt too happy that night 

Mine grew to normal female size...not sure if its genetics related but i didnt notice anything different to other gg girls.

[Nero]

well, i'm a gg (ftm) and my nipples are small. so, i really don't think small nips are too out of the ordinary. don't what piercing would do for them though. except hurt, ouch.

[Rebecca Liz]

My male friend had his done about 2 months ago, and other than still having absolutely no feeling in his nipples anymore (hopefully it will return) his nipples have not changed at all. Well... except for the hoops in them now haha

Myself, being on HRT including progesterone, I have seen a dramatic increase in my nipple size. I've read that progesterone is the key, and based on my other TS friends that haven't received this hormone, I would tend to believe that's true.

[mina.magpie]

From what I've heard, the damage you do to your nipples stops them from growing more once pierced. I speak under correction though 'cause it's only grapevine type knowledge.

My nipples have enlarged a fair bit since I started HRT - 10 months E and about 22 months AA's - probably like doubled in surface area? I agree with Rebecca Liz though: Progesterone is the key here, since Estrogen only develops your breasts' fibrous/structural tissue, while progesterone causes the ductile tissue, which terminate at the nipples, to grow in preparation of childbirth. That's also why TS women who've been on progesterone tend to have fuller, more naturally shaped breasts while E-only tends to give one more conical breasts. I'm hoping to convince my endo again when I see him in March, otherwise I'll ... acquire it myself.

Also keep in mind that, in the lower Tanner stages of breast development, the nipple does tend to protrude out from the breast, so unless you are lucky enough to get all the way to Tanner stage 5, the only chance really is to use progesterone. Breast augmentation might also help, but I don't know much about that though.

Mina.

[mmelny]

I agree with Rebecca Liz though: Progesterone is the key here, since Estrogen only develops your breasts' fibrous/structural tissue, while progesterone causes the ductile tissue, which terminate at the nipples, to grow in preparation of childbirth. That's also why TS women who've been on progesterone tend to have fuller, more naturally shaped breasts while E-only tends to give one more conical breasts.

Mina.

Mina, all,

Is there a study that proves that progesterone adds to breast development?  I've heard and read that it adds to breast development in many places, but cannot get my Doc to prescribe Prometrium to me.  He says its potential for harm (increased risk of heart attacks and blood clots) is too great, and that  MtF transpersons have no receptors for progesterone.  He seems pretty sure in his conviction on this, and surprised that I came to him wanting it added to my script list (both times I tried, *giggles*).

So perhaps if there's a study that shows clear benefits of progesterone, it would be enough to convince my doc.   I swore I would never self-medicate again and won't go against my doc, but I will try to convince him if there's evidence of results.  Unfortunately, personal accounts and blogs probably won't do that  .


*huggs*,
Melan

[vanna]

Ive read this arguement many times for and against.

Ive come to the conclusion it still genetics driven.

Progesterone did help me but anyone using it needs to discuss the timing of its use and medical dosages. They are much more important.

[Terra]

Well there are other ways that cause them to grow, even if not much. Woman's nipples grow slightly after having a baby nurse on them, they become more sensitive too. So one option to get them to grow is right there.

[mina.magpie]

Is there a study that proves that progesterone adds to breast development?  I've heard and read that it adds to breast development in many places ...

Size enlargement is usually temporary due to engorgement, but some people have had further increases after adding P. The more permanent effect though is that it allows the breast to develop a fuller, more natural shape because ductile tissue develops, as far as I understand it anyway.

[/quote] ... but cannot get my Doc to prescribe Prometrium to me.  He says its potential for harm (increased risk of heart attacks and blood clots) is too great, and that MtF transpersons have no receptors for progesterone.  He seems pretty sure in his conviction on this, and surprised that I came to him wanting it added to my script list (both times I tried, *giggles*).[/quote]

Again, I'm not an expert, but what he is saying about receptors seems totally incorrect. The P receptor is encoded on chromosome 11 (ref), which is identical in males and females. Even if he were arguing that the receptors are somehow disabled in males, he would still be incorrect, as these studies that specifically target P-receptors in males and their role in male sexual function show:

Progesterone receptors mediate male aggression towards infants

Progesterone receptors, various forms and functions in reproductive tissues

Regulation of male sexual behaviour by progesterone receptor

As to health risks, the problem is that he's equating bio-identical progesterone with progestins, which are synthetic analogues of progesterone. The negative side-effects you refer to are all associated with progestins, not progesterone. Unfortunately though I have the same problem with my doctor, though I've only asked him once. I'm hoping I can convince him this time around, though I'm thinking probably not 'cause he'll have "cancer lawsuit" at the back of his mind, and what do I know, I'm not an endocrinologist (pretty-much his attitude last time around)

If you wanna try and convince him anyway though, I've sent you a PM with a really good summary of a whole slew of progesterone studies out there. Unfortunately it has dosage info in there, so I can't post it publicly. Sorry all.

Mina.

[mmelny]

Mina,

Thank you so much for the link.   It comes down to the fact that the medical community really doesn't understand the impact in terms of both the advantages and disadvantages yet.  There are not solid studies in the effects of MtF HRT treatments in regard to progesterone *yet*, that I can see.  My doctor is in the forefront of trans care, which is what shocked me when he had such a vehement reaction against prescribing progesterone, the first time I proposed to him the idea.  He stated that no other physicians in the the centre (a major LGBT center) prescribe progesterone, and went on about the health risks, and "no receptors" speech, as well as no proven benefit etc.   Perhaps he is right, next time I see him, I need to ask him to cite his sources.   Doctors aren't gods, and need to be called on notions or ultimatums they've made in their minds in terms of patient care.   

*huggs*,
Melan

[Hypatia]

Well there are other ways that cause them to grow, even if not much. Woman's nipples grow slightly after having a baby nurse on them, they become more sensitive too. So one option to get them to grow is right there.

'Twouldn't be anything but a bio-pacifier without lactation. Unless you know some more advanced tricks with hormones...

Or were you thinking of having an adult rather than an infant going at it?

[Nero]

Well there are other ways that cause them to grow, even if not much. Woman's nipples grow slightly after having a baby nurse on them, they become more sensitive too. So one option to get them to grow is right there.

'Twouldn't be anything but a bio-pacifier without lactation. Unless you know some more advanced tricks with hormones...

Or were you thinking of having an adult rather than an infant going at it?

I've heard bio males can breastfeed. Don't remember where. But heard it's possible.

[Nero]

How does it work?

[Hypatia]

Beats me. It did occur in Marge Piercy's book Woman on the Edge of Time. Her twentieth-century heroine time-travels a couple centuries into the ecotopia (good) future --she also gets to visit the dystopia (bad) future and it majorly blows. In the ecotopia future, she went to visit a commune in a post-America where all the polluters had been shut down and everyone lived in small eco-friendly communes. All gender roles were abolished. As part of this goal, men had to take special hormones (I don't think Piercy specified which ones) to be able to lactate and do their share of suckling the babies with that wholesome renewable resource, breast milk. She gets a shock the first time she sees a burly bearded guy, who was on childcare duty, unbutton his lumberjack shirt, pick up a crying baby and breastfeed.

This opened a debate over transgender issues in feminism between characters in the novel. At first the feminist from 1975 objects: Men have taken everything away from us, now they'll take our womanhood for themselves too? But the future feminists persuade her that the only way to end patriarchal oppression of women is to dismantle all gender boundaries. So I think Piercy should get credit as a feminist thinker 20 or 30 years ahead of her time. She has her ecotopians argue basically third-wave feminist gender theory with a living relic of second-wave feminism. Imagine what she would have said about Thomas Beatie.

[mina.magpie]

Bio males can breastfeed by duplicating the hormonal environment of a breastfeeding mother - ie. high progesterone doses. Progesterone is the "pregnancy hormone", and is responsible for a number of changes in the body, including the growth and engorgement of the breasts with milk. This is why I was so stunned by Melan's doctor's argument that we don't have receptors for progesterone, because then it would be impossible for bio-males to lactate.

Mina.

[Osiris]

Ok, piercing won't make them bigger, it just keeps them erect.

The one thing I know of that really increases nipple size is suction from a pump.

[mina.magpie]

The one thing I know of that really increases nipple size is suction from a pump.

Oooooh ... only a pump? 

Mina.

[sabrina]

With out going into details of drug names and dosages there are certain drugs available for nursing women to help increase their prolactin levels.  When combined with estrogen & progesterone (preferably a micronised one) for a certain length of time; when you stop taking the progesterone and have a high prolactin level your body easily mimics a nursing mothers hormonal change.  Your nipples will grow, your breast will swell with milk, just like any nurse maid.  Of course you would have to keep expressing milk from your breast's in order to keep it up but once your nipples have grown and changed they do not go back to what they were before. 

I am not a MD of course and can not recommend this approach but I have done it and it does work, or I should say it has for me.

Hope this didn't violate any rules.

[Osiris]

The one thing I know of that really increases nipple size is suction from a pump.

Oooooh ... only a pump? 

Mina.

^^^ This is you ruining me being good in a thread about nipples.

An event like this is probably not going to happen again.

But yeah, if you can't find a pump assistance is available.

[mina.magpie]

The one thing I know of that really increases nipple size is suction from a pump.

Oooooh ... only a pump? 

Mina.

^^^ This is you ruining me being good in a thread about nipples.

An event like this is probably not going to happen again.

But yeah, if you can't find a pump assistance is available.

Awwwww. I promise I won't again!   

Mina.