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Waiting to Shake Hands with the Grim Reaper?

Started by Chrissty, February 05, 2009, 08:14:39 AM

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Chrissty

...I can hear the comments now...

Oh no, it's "her" again....Still can't make a bl**dy decision about whether or not to transition...

Maybe I'm just too sensitive to what you all think, and maybe this prisoner has become too used to her cell, and has lost the motivation to break free?

A realisation of 'sorts' of came out of the blue this morning....



The truth is (for a whole bunch of reasons), my conscious mind
is fighting my subconscious mind.....

.the "conscious" guy is saying this is whole thing is crazy...
.. the "subconscious" girl is saying it's got to happen to be happy.....

The guy keeps explaining to the girl that to make the change they would loose everything....
.... the girl forgets the facts, and says "but we would just feel sooo much better".

But.... the conscious mind is smart, and he realises that if he could find the weak
spots in the girls defences, maybe by conceding in a few skirmishes he may
distract her enough to gain overall victory. Unfortunately although she guesses
what is happening, the girl has no power to prevent this tactic. So the
guy engages the advice of a therapist to help develop the "winning" strategy.

The girl has no answer to this plan, and she awaits the inevitable defeat,
clutching at the forlorn hope that the therapist will turn out to be a double-
agent, and switch sides to help her.

...but deep down she still knows there is one final option....

....the one terrible trump card that cannot loose...

....If only she can nag at him just loud enough, and long enough.....

....to shake hands with the Grim Reaper (just for a moment).....


.. Then he would loose all hope, and victory would be hers...



Life is such a dangerous game at times...

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Chrissty
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postoplesbian

Quote from: Chrissty on February 05, 2009, 08:14:39 AM
...I can hear the comments now...

Oh no, it's "her" again....Still can't make a bl**dy decision about whether or not to transition...

Maybe I'm just too sensitive to what you all think, and maybe this prisoner has become too used to her cell, and has lost the motivation to break free?

A realisation of 'sorts' of came out of the blue this morning....



The truth is (for a whole bunch of reasons), my conscious mind
is fighting my subconscious mind.....

.the "conscious" guy is saying this is whole thing is crazy...
.. the "subconscious" girl is saying it's got to happen to be happy.....

The guy keeps explaining to the girl that to make the change they would loose everything....
.... the girl forgets the facts, and says "but we would just feel sooo much better".

But.... the conscious mind is smart, and he realises that if he could find the weak
spots in the girls defences, maybe by conceding in a few skirmishes he may
distract her enough to gain overall victory. Unfortunately although she guesses
what is happening, the girl has no power to prevent this tactic. So the
guy engages the advice of a therapist to help develop the "winning" strategy.

The girl has no answer to this plan, and she awaits the inevitable defeat,
clutching at the forlorn hope that the therapist will turn out to be a double-
agent, and switch sides to help her.

...but deep down she still knows there is one final option....

....the one terrible trump card that cannot loose...

....If only she can nag at him just loud enough, and long enough.....

....to shake hands with the Grim Reaper (just for a moment).....


.. Then he would loose all hope, and victory would be hers...



Life is such a dangerous game at times...

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Chrissty

Plain and simple if you have to transition you will if not hey great. Enjoy the life on the fence its the best of both worlds i hear. However, i did what i had to do as soon as i figured out how to do it.
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paulault55

Hi Chrissty, i know your struggle and it was mine for more years than i care to remember, around the holidays i read a post from somewhere that will remain nameless that describes her struggle and it hit home with me and i think many of us, it's not copyrighted or anything and i hope the powers that be allow it and it's quite long. She didn't name it but i call it the Playground.

I wanted to share the following highly figurative story that depicts
the struggle with my own identity.

---
When I was a little boy I stumbled upon this strange playground. It
was desolate but for one small girl, who was sitting in a swing with
her head held down. She had such a sad disposition. I had never met
her before but somehow I knew her. I walked over to her and sat in
the swing next to hers. I asked, "What is your name?" "Natilie,"
she replied in a quiet and solemn voice, not even lifting her head to
look at me. I inquired, "What are you doing here all alone?" With
the same monotone whisper, she answered, "Waiting . . . ." "Waiting
for what?" I said. "To come out and play," she murmured. Just then,
I heard my mother calling me. "I have to go, my mother is calling me
home," I explained. With those words I left her sitting there.

I did not think about Natilie for some time and had almost forgot
about her as the years rolled by and I got busy with my friends and
with grade school. Then, one day I remembered the playground and I
went back there, in some ways hoping she was not there and in other
ways that she was. As I approached the location of our first
encounter, I saw the same figure parked in the same swing with the
same saddened countenance, but she was not a little girl anymore.
She had grown up somewhat. I was almost afraid to approach her but
something drew me to sit next to her. "It's me again," I blurted. I
was not sure what she would say. "Would she be angry," I wondered,
seeing that I had stayed away so long. "Would she be happy to see
me," I asked myself. She lifted her head up and looked into my eyes
and with a clearer voice she asked, "Is it time? Is it time to come
out and play?" Before I even had a chance to contemplate her words,
I found my mouth surprisingly uttering the words, "No." "I have
friends and school and my parents expect things of me," I explained--
"You just can't." I left in a hurry, hoping by some means that I
would not see her again.

Time passed. I was full of youthful energy and vision, given over to
the prescribed role ordained for me, coerced into believing that this
path would bring me happiness in life. Junior high, high school,
college, a great job, a wife, a house, and then a son. Natilie
seemed but a distant memory, though I did on rare occasion walk by
that desolate playground, but never went in. Then it happened on
one quiet evening while I was rocking my newborn son to sleep. I
heard this quiet sob. It was Natilie but how and why now?

Another year passed. I only heard that soft cry a few other times,
and I continued to ignore it. But, during one of my evening strolls
I happened upon that desolate playground without intent. "Huh?" I
muttered to myself. "How did I get here?" That soft sob had now
became a much louder cry. Out of human compassion, I sought out
Natilie in the dim light and found her in that same swing. Her head
was still facing the ground with tears rolling off of her cheeks.
She was no longer a girl but had become a full grown woman. "Why are
you crying?" I asked her with concern. She had not responded
promptly nor did it seem that she even acknowledged my presence.
Before I had a chance to repeat my question, she looked up at me and
her expression turned into anger. "How long?!" she barked. I was
taken back by her sudden shift in disposition and nearly fell off my
swing. "Why are you so angry with me?" I snapped back, not minding
her words. She continued. "How long will keep stealing my
life? " "Your life?" I remarked with protest, "This is my life." I
was not too happy about the tone of this encounter and got up from my
swing to leave in a huff. But, before I had a chance to stand on my
feet, she said in a very solemn tone of voice, "Before you leave me
here again, le me ask you one last question . . Are you happy?"
With that she turned her face toward the ground, blocking me out of
sight.

"Happy?" I could not stop thinking about this simple question. "No,
I have not been happy." I thought that I was happy. I should be
happy. After all, I have everything that anyone would want in life --
an education, a great job, family and friends, a wife, a house, and
now a newborn son. I should be on the top of the world, but alas I
still felt empty inside.

I could not stop thinking about Natilie, seeing her in the corner of
my eye, in the dim reflection of a store window, and hearing her
quiet sob in the distance. I became obsessed with Natilie. All the
years of avoiding her, trying to forgot about her, rationalizing her
existence, pushing her away, and for what? I could no longer fight
her. She had a right to live the life that was taken from her. I
knew what I had to do if I ever wanted to be happy.

I had a calm in my heart that night on the evening that I eagerly
sought out the desolate playground, where Natilie sat for so many
years on that same swing. But, as I approached the dimly lit area
where her swing usually hung, she was not there. "Am I too late?" I
thought in a panic. Just then, I felt a tap on my shoulder. Turning
around with a sudden jolt, I was greeted by a standing figure. It
was Natilie and she had a smile on her face. "Is it time?" she
asked. "Is it time for me to `come out and play'?" Looking into her
eyes, I responded with a smile on my face and in a gentle
voice, "Yes, it's time."
---

Happy Holidays everyone!

Natilie




Paula.




I am a Mcginn Girl May 9 2011
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Chrissty

Quote from: Kiera on February 05, 2009, 08:40:22 AM
Chrissty, no pressure or judgments here! How long have you been having this struggle, this inner debate between you & your true self?

Hi Kiera.....Around 44 years, but for reasons I won't go into now, it has only been the last 2 years that the current debate has raged.

I've sort of come to accept that the inner "debate" is actually the first part of transition, and our fate is sealed. After that it is only a question of wheter we complete the path before we die. I was trying to give a perspecive of how I view the next step, and the way I view the decision process I'm going through.

Quote from: Kiera on February 05, 2009, 08:40:22 AM
Here @ Susans it may seem like "a game" at times but I assure you it is not, this is Your Life and nobody else's.

I was not referring to Susan's, I was referring to "Life". Like Nero, too many good people I have known, died long before their time.

Quote from: postoplesbian on February 05, 2009, 08:47:17 AM
Plain and simple if you have to transition you will if not hey great. Enjoy the life on the fence its the best of both worlds i hear. However, i did what i had to do as soon as i figured out how to do it.

I'm not sure where I gave the idea that I'm enjoying this?...but thanks for the comment.

Quote from: paulault55 on February 05, 2009, 09:28:59 AM
I wanted to share the following highly figurative story that depicts
the struggle with my own identity.

Thanks Paula..

...I've just ruined the note I was writing with my tears after that....Beautiful piece.

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Chrissty
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Sephirah

I just have three questions...

What good is having everything else if you don't have yourself?

Does all that make up for the repression of your soul?

Does everything you would lose make you truly happy now?
Natura nihil frustra facit.
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postoplesbian

Quote from: Leiandra on February 05, 2009, 10:35:53 AM
I just have three questions...

What good is having everything else if you don't have yourself?

Does all that make up for the repression of your soul?

Does everything you would lose make you truly happy now?


;D  so true    sometimes we have to >-bleeped-< or get off the pot  :D
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Jeneva

Quote from: Chrissty on February 05, 2009, 10:28:48 AM
...
After that it is only a question of wheter we complete the path before we die.
...
I've just ruined the note I was writing with my tears after that.
...

Ok, maybe its just me and where I am right now, but this really worries me (the thread title/poem/these 2 quotes).

She DOES NOT win by meeting the grim reaper.  Sure "he" loses, but so does she.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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Sephirah

Quote from: postoplesbian on February 05, 2009, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: Leiandra on February 05, 2009, 10:35:53 AM
I just have three questions...

What good is having everything else if you don't have yourself?

Does all that make up for the repression of your soul?

Does everything you would lose make you truly happy now?


;D  so true    sometimes we have to >-bleeped-< or get off the pot  :D

No, that wasn't the point. At all. Those questions weren't rhetorical.

It's no one's place to tell you what you have to do, Chrissty. That's a decision you have to come to yourself. And the only way you can make any sort of decision is to weigh up the quality of life you have now against the quality of life you think you will have if you decide to transition and become 'fully' female. Whichever one outweighs the other... that's the path you might want to give some serious thought to.

However long that takes is for you to decide. It's not a decision to be taken lightly by any means, and nor is it one that you should feel pressured or coerced into. So take as long as you feel you need to. Just... have a think about those questions I asked and see if you can find an answer to those before you start working on the real biggie.

*hugs*

Good luck, sweetie. I wish you the best.
Natura nihil frustra facit.
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Ellieka

At the risk of sounding like more rhetorical non sense, Consider this story:

One day a young Indian boy approached the tribal medicine man with a problem.
   "I feel so stressed all the time over this big decision that I have to make. One choice will make me happy but others will be hurt by it. The other choice will make every one else happy but I will be miserable for the rest of my life. What should I do?" 

   The medicine man sat for a moment in deep thought then ask,
   "What do you feel like when you make no decision at all?"
   "I feel like I have two dogs fighting in my stomach," He said, " If I do nothing they will both die and I will too."

   The medicine man looked at the boy with wisdom in his eyes and asked,
   "Which dog is going to win?"

   The boy walked away confused and angry at the medicine man for not giving him a straight answer or even any advise, but he thought long and hard about the old Indians last question. A few days later he returned to the medicine man with a huge smile on his face and said,
  "I know which dog will win, the one I feed the most."
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Janet_Girl

I have seen and had this discussion before.   I have had insights into others lives that was a privilege to have.  The Decision to Transition isn't any easy one to make.  Many worry about others and how they might be hurt.  Others worry about jobs and if they can find another or if they can stay in the one they have.

Let's look at somethings.  Say, you are married, have two or three children.  They are say early to mid teens.  Your marriage is just so-so in the romance department.  You own a house and have a great job.  You are paid very well.  To all on the outside you are a successful and happy man.

Except for one little thing.  You have never and don't see yourself as a man.  You know and have always know that you were a woman.  You have the dress up times, and maybe even go out En Femme.  But that only makes it worse.  And like a lot of people who suffer with this, you cope by drinking, cutting, drugs or becoming more successful.

You don't want to lose what you have materially.  But you are losing your soul and sanity.  Others see it, but don't really understand why you are unhappy.  So you push it aside and think it will go away, if you try hard enough.  Maybe not today, but in the future.  She will be back and with a vengeance.  This time it is so bad that you take that straight razor to your wrists.

A couple of days later you wake up in the psych ward, under suicide watch.  Now you are branded as a nut or worst.  Your employer knows.  The wife knows.  Your kids know.  Maybe you are lucky and all is well when you go home, but there is that look.  The one that just doesn't trust you.  Your employer, wife, kids, neighbors.  Everyone now looks at you as a weirdo.  Time goes by, she doesn't leave and you are right back where you started.

You begin to lose wife, kids, home, employment.  Everything is now gone, except for her.  And she is telling you that all you had to do was accept that you had to transition.  Yes, you might have lose everything, but you would be happier because you were being something that you never were.  True to yourself.

Transition is not for the faint of heart.  It is the hardest, most loneliest, oft times impossible thing to do.  But do it you must, or lose yourself in the end.  Who are you now, but what some else wants you to be.  Why would anyone want to be a fake?  Someone that was not themselves.

Ask yourself.  Are you truly happy being that person everyone else wants you to be?  And I mean in your soul. 

Chrissty, you have an analytical mind.  You look at all sides to a problem to come up with a solution.  But sometimes you have to trust your heart and gut, and do something that is total insane.  After all who in their right mind would want to take drugs to alter their body, forever.  Undergo surgeries to mutilate their bodies.  Live a life outside of the normal way of living.  And face the world with the power, grace and dignity of being truly happy at last.  I for one, say yes.  Many here will say the same thing.

Will you lose everything you have worked so hard for? Maybe.  Is it worth it?  For me, yes.  I am happy with me at last.  Do I suffer from the daily battle with her.  No, because the male let her finally "come out to play".  He still looks out for her, but she runs the house now, and he gets to finally rest.

He will really never be gone.  He is like the guardian angel now.  But where I go, what I do, how I live is up to me.  And I don't have to be angry or unhappy anymore.

None of us can tell you to step thru the looking glass.  That my dear Sister, is yours and yours alone to decide.  But there is a lot of us on this side of the looking glass that will welcome you Home.

You know I love you as only a true sister can.
~ Many Hug ~ Sweety.

Janet

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Julie Marie

Chrissty, if in your initial post here you changed all references to the "guy" to "everyone around me" would that better reflect the real battle?

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Sephirah

Natura nihil frustra facit.
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Janet_Girl

Thank You, Lei.

It is mostly what I went thru.  But I feel that a lot of peeps face this.  And I really don't want anyone to go thru that.

Janet

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Chrissty

Well thank you all for your feedback...

Liea ~ Thank you for the questions, eloquently put, and they are part of what is going through my head. ;)

Hidden ~ My reference to "Shaking Hands" is meant to signify a truce, recognition that you are suicidal but not committing the act.  ;)

Janet ~ Oh my... I feel like deleting my post and leaving yours. I agree with Leia, excellent post. :eusa_clap:

Julie ~ The middle bit of my post can be interpreted in a number of ways, I understand and accept yours. ;)

Postop. ~ Thank you for the clarity and the pm...I'll remember your suggestion next time I'm deciding which washroom to use ;D

Cami ~ Remind me never to talk to wise old Indians, you got me!  :eusa_doh:

I said this earlier but maybe if I make it clearer, I have recognised that I have started down a path that I am unable to stray from. Regardless of what people may think here, I know that I am not the same person I was this time last year, and my mental transition/ acceptance has raced ahead.

At the moment I am not prepared to give up "everything" without a fight, I am in therapy,....that view may change.

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Chrissty
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NicholeW.

#14
When both the girl and the guy shake hands with the Reaper, who will die?

I recall when he walked away. He was glad to go and I, yes, this I, had already come to the conclusion that to not be here would be a horrid waste of life, a life already wasted. His had been as well. It took a lot out of him to protect me, keep me safe. And, he hated the work, really just hated it regardless how he talked about all the things your he talks about.

Odd, how he wasn't very good at predicting the future. His doom stories haven't come true at all. Although there have been times I was afraid the boys would forsake me ... they haven't and I know now won't. They'd have already done.

Some things have fallen away and are no longer a part of my life. I was fired for transitioning. But, a new degree, a new life, a new lover, the same ole boys and the understanding that presenting the world with me instead of something it had become laborious to maintain has actually improved my ability to be "there" with people, with events, with ... life.

Not for all the tea and wonderful outfits, shoes and jewelry at Harrod's, luv, would I regret or go back.

Nichole
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coolJ

Hi Chrissty, since you've already been given alot of great advice I'm just gonna say I'm with ya sister. Godspeed, good luck, and chin up kid! 8)
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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Chrissty

#16
Quote from: Nichole on February 05, 2009, 04:03:41 PM
When both the girl and the guy shake hands with the Reaper, who will die?

My hope is neither....I suppose it's just a way of saying that if the "guy" reaches the state of mind where he is prepared to consider suicide, then the decision to surrender is automatically made....or the "prepared to loose everything" point has been reached.

Thanks Nichole

Quote from: coolJ on February 06, 2009, 04:10:08 AM
Hi Chrissty, since you've already been given alot of great advice I'm just gonna say I'm with ya sister. Godspeed, good luck, and chin up kid! 8)

Thanks Sis...You are just Sooo Cooool  ;)


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Chrissty
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Nigella

Quote from: Chrissty on February 06, 2009, 05:23:21 PM

My hope is neither....I suppose it's just a way of saying that if the "guy" reaches the state of mind where he is prepared to consider suicide, then the decision to surrender is automatically made....or the "prepared to loose everything" point has been reached.



Just seen your post Chrissty as I've been to work. Any way you know my story and that's what happened to me as I the boy faced the grim reaper literally. Everything since then changed.

Talking things through with your therapist is great and a way forward will transpire. That path may also change over time.

I wish you well.

Stardust
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kittyKat

Hi Chrissty
this is my first post and it may be some consolation that your honest description of your pre-transition struggles has forced me out my ususal reticence and encouraged to put pixel to virtual paper and have my little say!  :)

I am an mtf transsexual who is seemingly stuck in the pre-transition 'thinking' period and struggles with confidence and doubts about where I am going. I have been very moved and inspired by many of the posts already on this thread and I don't have any great wisdom to add to the debate but I would like to say that my heart goes out particularly to anyone who if the truth is told  have very severe gender dysphoria  but somehow manage to end up feeling less than authentic because of their fears or concerns or their understandably uber rational approach to  the situation.

I will add only this:

Maybe the fears that so often get painted as "his" fears and therefore some inadequacy of the constructed male self and all that entails, all too  often are actually "her" fears.

Maybe she's afaid of coming out rather than we being afraid to let her out.

The reason this distiction strikes me as important is that instead of feeling inadequate about our ability to find the confidence to be ourselves maybe we could spend more time on addressing why "she" is afraid and how we can help "her" get over those fears and start putting herself forward!

In other words maybe we can only start to feed the girl within us healthily when she stops refusing to eat

Too deep?

This is why I don't usually post on forums and the like!

So I blame you girls for inspiring me out of my shell.

love to you all

Rachael


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Chrissty

Hiya Rachael, :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's  :icon_hug:

It's lovely to meet you, and I'm so pleased that my little topic made you decide to come in, and join the conversation...

Just pull-up a comfy seat and stay a little longer ;)

Quote from: kittyKat on February 07, 2009, 10:07:43 AM
....this is my first post and it may be some consolation that your honest description of your pre-transition struggles has forced me out my ususal reticence and encouraged to put pixel to virtual paper and have my little say!  :)

I am an mtf transsexual who is seemingly stuck in the pre-transition 'thinking' period and struggles with confidence and doubts about where I am going....

Maybe the fears that so often get painted as "his" fears and therefore some inadequacy of the constructed male self and all that entails, all too  often are actually "her" fears.

Maybe she's afaid of coming out rather than we being afraid to let her out.

Too deep?

So I blame you girls for inspiring me out of my shell.

Rachael

In some respects your right, that my inner girl may have been a little shy up til about 2 years ago, and I had resigned myself to being a Male with CD tendencies...

.. at that time, I'm not sure why but 'she' started getting 'him' to ask questions about their past life, questions 'he' had no right or reason to ask. That led to a search for information and answers, and the more 'he' found out, the more 'she' asked, and so they ended up here at Susan's one night.

About a month later 'they' had an accident where 'they' nearly lost a hand, which luckily ended up being "just" the tip off a thumb. While "he" was dealing with the trauma, 'she' found a new confidence, and so started the little internal battle I refer to, on 24/7 basis.

I have a view that there is no such thing as "Pre-transition", and that once 'her' questions start, they will never stop....but like you say the rate at which 'she' grows can depend on how much 'she' is fed.

Beware though, as 'she' can find the most unusual reasons to have a feast! >:-)

Too Deep? .....Never.....We always welcome a fresh point of view!  ;)

Rachael with posting like that, please give us the chance to know you better..

*Hugs* :icon_hug:

Chrissty
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