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Started by Shana A, May 21, 2009, 06:46:34 AM

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Shana A

Wednesday, May 20, 2009 05:38 PDT
Are transgender people mentally ill?
Judy Berman

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/05/20/gender_identity_disorder/index.html

The LGBT community has had a long, often painful relationship with the psychological profession. Until 1974, when the American Psychiatric Association (APA) voted to remove the diagnosis from the second edition of its "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (DSM), the organization maintained that homosexuality was a mental illness. The change came slowly, after years of protest and debate.

    "We got homosexuality out of the DSM because of protests at the APA. Now it’s time to do the same with GID."

At this year's APA meeting, in San Francisco, it is transgender activists who are demanding that the organization depathologize their identity. Their anger centers around the controversial diagnosis of "Gender Identity Disorder," which Psychology Today defines as "strong, persistent feelings of identification with the opposite gender and discomfort with one's own assigned sex. People with GID desire to live as members of the opposite sex and often dress and use mannerisms associated with the other gender."
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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NicholeW.

  She also noted that a movement within the association is moving toward a "more balanced" Task Force. With psychologists and activists working together to reform the APA's position on gender identity, it may be only a matter of time before we stop labeling perfectly sane transpeople mentally ill. Imagine that!

Imagine that! Indeed.
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lisagurl

QuoteAre transgender people mentally ill?

No, they are physically ill. Their physical body needs to be adjusted to fit their healthy mind.
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Nicky

Dunno about that. My body is physically fine, in fact it probably is better than the average guy. It just does not match my mind.

Why use the word illness at all? Certainly the thing that is most likely to work is changing the body, but that does not mean the body is at fault. Just an unfortunate occurance which means the mind and body don't match well, neither being more ill than the other.
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Nicky on May 21, 2009, 08:21:52 PM
Why use the word illness at all?

Because then "concerned" people can try to "cure" us.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Shana A

Quote from: Lisbeth on May 21, 2009, 08:27:24 PM
Because then "concerned" people can try to "cure" us.

I definitely become concerned when "concerned" people want to "help" us.

My only "illness" comes from listening to people expressing intolerance and trans/homo-phobias....

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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sd

QuoteShe also noted that a movement within the association is moving toward a "more balanced" Task Force. With psychologists and activists working together to reform the APA's position on gender identity, it may be only a matter of time before we stop labeling perfectly sane transpeople mentally ill. Imagine that!
I wonder how the association thinks labeling us mixed up homosexuals in the upcoming edition is more balanced (Zucker).
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Dennis

I am, but that's just a coincidence...

(*howls at the moon*)

Dennis
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Lucy

Quote from: Leslie Ann on May 21, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
I wonder how the association thinks labeling us mixed up homosexuals in the upcoming edition is more balanced (Zucker).

WOT.... I must be ill cus they keep giving me pills to sort my head out....Im a living zombie....
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Lori

Quote from: Nichole on May 21, 2009, 06:51:30 AM
  She also noted that a movement within the association is moving toward a "more balanced" Task Force. With psychologists and activists working together to reform the APA's position on gender identity, it may be only a matter of time before we stop labeling perfectly sane transpeople mentally ill. Imagine that!

Imagine that! Indeed.

Imagine there are no psychologists  :laugh:

I've always wondered how physical changes fixed mental needs. Its like saying a hungry person is nuts. That mental drive soon becomes a physical need. Either you will eventually eat or you will die. I associate my GID with the likes of hunger. Either I feed it, or it will kill me. I'm not nuts. Anybody with GID knows that. Trying to convince those that don't have it is what's nuts.

You may as well start your sentence out, "God told me to do this". Same reaction most of the time. You must be nuts, mentally ill or crazy. If they don't think you are crazy right off the bat, they automatically assume if your are male, that you are gay. Why else would a man want to be a woman.

I take HRT everyday and as I feel my self slip away I'm sad, but excited too. I wished in a way somebody could stop me because I'm scared and I'm leaving my safety barrier, but I wouldn't let them in the end and would just take the HRT again. The need and pull is just too strong.
"In my world, everybody is a pony and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"


If the shoe fits, buy it in every color.
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Lori on May 22, 2009, 06:31:20 AM
1) Imagine there are no psychologists  :laugh:

2) I've always wondered how physical changes fixed mental needs. Its like saying a hungry person is nuts. That mental drive soon becomes a physical need. Either you will eventually eat or you will die. I associate my GID with the likes of hunger. Either I feed it, or it will kill me. I'm not nuts. Anybody with GID knows that. Trying to convince those that don't have it is what's nuts.

:) 1) Because then I'd be outta a job!! :laugh:

2) O, it happens, more than you might think. Think of PTSD among rape victims and war-zone soldiers, war-zone civilians. Think of road-rage and the rigors of diagnosis of and treatment for mortal illnesses: cancers, HIV disease, etc.

Starvation and roaming aimessly as often occurs in some places also has a psychological effect.

Second- or third-class citizenship is not merely a physically difficult thing often enough, but also a thing that saps and deteriorates the psyche.

Having done a lot of work with homeless people (not talking about "street-drunks" and "crack-heads") but about people who lost jobs, divorced and had no means of support or were just turned out of their lives) I found that within three months or so there were rather obvious psychological effects that they had developed.

It's not so much (except in cases of rape, car-wrecks, being shot, dementia due to illness or the actual brain-damage that's caused by prolonged malnutrition) that there is a direct and immediate connection of the psychological and the physical that takes place over some time. Kinda more like, I like to think, that prolonged running on hard surfaces will often bring "shin-splints" to the runner.

Physical and psychological are pretty much symbiotic as the Buddhist and Hindu psychologists of the past 2500 years recognized. The psychological just tends to be a more subtle physical response than the absolutely physical. Differences of how easily recognizable as material something is.

Does this mean that people with GID in one form or another are "crazy." No. But it does mean that prolonged shame and guilt, prolonged demeaning and shunning do have psychological effects on those who experience them.

The APA needs to understand that societal effects does not mean pathology, but does mean psychological and physical distress.

Gender-variant/sex variant people need to realize that seeing a therapist or psychologist isn't a marker for being "crazy." The two do not equate at all. But adjusting one's self to one's life is always a very difficult process "on my own." "Two or more heads are definitely better than one in making decisions and evaluating options." Those things are true to life. That's one of the reasons that for therapists and psychologists we are required to undergo supervision on a frequent basis. 

Middle-class prejudices about mental health are simply that. Middle-class prejudices.

We, as a group. are not "crazy" or pathological. But we all do have problems that we should recognize are better addressed with a more objective view than we can manage for ourselves.

The end? Therapists, counselors, psychologists and psychiatrists leaving behind whatever trappings of "gatekeeping" remain; and trans-folk freely admitting that a lot of our problems run deeper than we are usually willing to admit. Somewhere in that area there's a better solution.

N~



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FairyGirl

excellent points Nichole. I would think it would take an extraordinarily strong personality to be continually confronted with "you're crazy" (or "you're evil", "satanic", and all the rest) before actually beginning to doubt his/her own mental stability. I know that supressing the symptoms of GID only causes it to resurface as often more destructive mental/emotional symptoms, and along with the strong denial that often accompanies this, we may not even consciously realize the source of these symptoms. Next thing you know we're talking to a psychiatrist because we think there is something seriously wrong with our psyches, and end up on all kinds of horrific anti-depressants and pills with worse side-effects than the condition we're hoping to treat, which isn't a mental illness at all.
Girls rule, boys drool.
If I keep a green bough in my heart, then the singing bird will come.
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tekla

"We got homosexuality out of the DSM because of protests at the APA. Now it’s time to do the same with GID."

I remember when this happened - yeah I'm old.  In part it went down not because a few activists made a speech or two, but because there were protesters everywhere the APA people went, at the Convention, at the hotels and all that.  Well I was out walking yesterday and I went past them, didn't see a single person, not a single sign - nothing.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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NicholeW.

Quote from: tekla on May 22, 2009, 12:23:44 PM

I remember when this happened - yeah I'm old.  In part it went down not because a few activists made a speech or two, but because there were protesters everywhere the APA people went, at the Convention, at the hotels and all that.  Well I was out walking yesterday and I went past them, didn't see a single person, not a single sign - nothing.

Wonder why?

I sometimes think that we so pride ourselves on "how smart we are" that we lose track of just "how smart we could be." Impacts are seldom made with one push, especially when the "push" is a couple of hours by 150 folks.

N~
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Chrissty

This has got to be the only illness I know that gets "worse" after you find out what the symptoms mean :-\
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Lori

Quote from: Chrissty on May 22, 2009, 04:23:03 PM
This has got to be the only illness I know that gets "worse" after you find out what the symptoms mean :-\

OMG, that is profound. Yeah....you are so right.
"In my world, everybody is a pony and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"


If the shoe fits, buy it in every color.
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Chrissty on May 22, 2009, 04:23:03 PM
This has got to be the only illness I know that gets "worse" after you find out what the symptoms mean :-\

But not the only illness that's better/healed when the symptoms and the pathology have disappeared. :)
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