Discussing the “transgender dilemma”

[finewine]

Oh, dear. Yes, you are. I guess I'll just say you really don't want to know. There's an underlying debate that keeps coming up from time to time. It gets old really fast, kind of similar to how the BBL theory debates get old -- another thing you don't want to know about if you don't already.

Ah   ok.  I did get the sense that there was a deeper history colouring the tone here.

[Alyssa M.]

It just all seems rather much a pose sometimes, Alyssa. And that's about as far as I will explain it.

Okay, thanks.

Instead, just think about it a bit. If I can get the idea out of me that something is directed at me personally when I have not been specifically singled-out then I can often find something worthwhile to mentally chew on a bit. It can even become habitual to do so. Imagine that!

I suppose I should admit that's about what I'm doing. Thank you for some provocative posts -- let's just say my own "belief in my own inner womanhood" and my expression thereof are both similar and dissimilar to what you describe, so your posts piqued my interest.

[dyssonance]

Since my particular brand of bluntness, based on prior postings, would not be entirely welcomed here and may indeed cause me trouble, I shall say that I agree on the lack of awareness of history (and it is indeed a shared a history that everyone on this board has), and that my entire position can be summed up in in a few lines:

Normal is a myth.
Make a difference by being different.
TANSTAAFL

[Alyssa M.]

So what "underlying debate" is that, Lyssa? If you think it's HBS you couldn't be more wrong. I debate the other side to that one. The diversity is good side, just like you do.

Well, yes, HBS -- frankly, you can't debate the "other side" from me because I try to avoid debating either side; I just can't be convinced of either side with my present understanding. And if you find an old post of mine that seems to contradict that statement -- I disavow the old post! But the diversity issue and the HBS issue tend to get mixed up; at least, the diversity issue tends to pop up in the HBS debates in my recollection, and I've noticed a pretty strong correlation in views on HBS and diversity.



[p.s. -- I reaaaallly don't want to debate it, and I hope that ends it, but if it doesn't, I'll just concede that it seemed to me that there was an echo of the HBS debates, and perhaps only to me.]

[NicholeW.]

I suppose I should admit that's about what I'm doing. Thank you for some provocative posts -- let's just say my own "belief in my own inner womanhood" and my expression thereof are both similar and dissimilar to what you describe, so your posts piqued my interest.

They weren't meant, per se, to be provocative, but if they provoked you and you thought they were somehow about you, well, I suppose that maybe they were provocative.

I just believe, no, it goes beyond belief to actually knowing, that if it's there you know it. Everyone knows it and it doesn't matter if you wear an orange jumpsuit, a catsuit or a suit of medieval Italian armor. 

It's not about the outward expression, it's about what's right there where you're sitting now.

Look to what's in one's self and you'll know. It actually works for showing cis-folks that they have a "gender-identity" as well, although I am just partial to sex, finding gender to be just more socialized outward trappings.