Arizona Pastor calls for execution of gays.

[MaggieB]

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/12591/arizona-pastors-sermons-call-for-execution-of-gays-barney-frank-and-the-president

[Miniar]

There's just no words to adequately express how disappointing it is that hate mongers such as this one can find support and acceptance of their hatemongering amongst any portion of the public.

[Dana Lane]

OMG this is one truly sick individual. He is truly disgusting.

[Kaitlyn]

This guy is even crazier than the Georgia lawmaker that believes in caning pot smokers and executing their dealers.

[Shana]

I am a firm believer in freedom of speech... It lets us know who our enemies are.
Without it, they would sit in darkness, plotting our doom.

I cry for our species.   

[Steph]

Isn't he just special.

-={LR}=-

[Julie Marie]

Wait... God instituted the death penalty for murderers?  Why didn't he do it the same in every state?  And I really don't remember God instituting the death penalty for gays.  Maybe I missed the passage of that law.

I guess God is now a politician, or should I say lawmaker?

When will we pass legislation that holds people like this responsible for their words.  We got Manson convicted for telling his followers to commit murder, why not nuts like this?

Maybe it's time to apply penalties for hate mongering.

Julie

[Miniar]

In Iceland this would be considered to be "promoting violence towards a minority" and so would be an offence that get ya a hefty fine for publicly stating that gays should be killed.. heftier each time you shoot your mouth off in a public forum... until you end up with jail sentencing.

Yes, you're allowed to hold this opinion, no you're not allowed to try and convince other people that that opinion is "okay" and that acting on it is justified.

[NicholeW.]

You'll find the penalities all laid out in either Leviticus or Deuteronomy in the Pentateuch. They are located near the ones that also demand redress for those wearing blended fabric clothing and those who eat shellfish.

I don't think god was all that down on hate-mongering though. Don't recall any penalities demanded for hating someone else. In fact, given a few of god's commands about slaughtering Amalekites and Gibeonites and various other folk, one might presume that god was positively ardently in-favor of hatred.

[Ellieka]

I posted this on his wife's blog in reference to her post here about a cop who tassered an innocent mother I'm sure it will be deleted but...


This cop is no worse then a pastor who says gays should be executed. He's just as bad as the pastor who says that rapist are the same as homosexuals. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. 

[Shana]

So very true Cami. An oath breaker is an oath breaker, and any officer going that far out of line should have his/her badge removed and spend jail time.

If those entrusted with the power of law and arrest are allowed to use them cruelly or wrongfully, then we may as well have stayed British, allowed the barracking of soldiers in our homes and never tasted the rights of innocence until proven guilty, God bless King George and all that..

And my apologies to our English cousins..
God save America, God save England and God Save the Queen.
but mostly Lord, please save us from your most insane followers..please??? pretty please?? 

[V M]

Another nut case using religion as an excuse to commit murder? Now that is a surprise.

Kinda reminds me of another nut job from the 1940's 

[Tammy Hope]

There's just no words to adequately express how disappointing it is that hate mongers such as this one can find support and acceptance of their hatemongering amongst any portion of the public.

Meh.

there's a fruit-loop fringe to every ideaology no matter how good or bad the core ideas are.

I'd be willing to bet the Dude's "church" features about 20 members. the accesability of the internet gives every crackpot a soapbox and more visibility than his stupidity would otherwise get.

there are pretty large and busy white supremacist forums that get a lot more traffic than this guy gets.

Oh, and as an aside, Pam undermines an otherwise solid post by resorting to the tired old Iraq war discussion. Not EVERYTHING that one comments on should be a fertile spot to take a dig at W.

Post Merge: August 21, 2009, 06:10:57 PM

Wait... God instituted the death penalty for murderers?  Why didn't he do it the same in every state?  And I really don't remember God instituting the death penalty for gays.  Maybe I missed the passage of that law.

I guess God is now a politician, or should I say lawmaker?

When will we pass legislation that holds people like this responsible for their words.  We got Manson convicted for telling his followers to commit murder, why not nuts like this?

Maybe it's time to apply penalties for hate mongering.

Julie

Would you want those penalties applied to, for instance, a gay person who publicly declares hatred for Christians and the church?

(and bet your buttons they are out there)

Or heck, take sexuality out of it - I see people on line EVERY day who rip on the church and declare all religion is evil - we gonna pass a law broad enough to stop THAT hatred too?

If so, I nod with respect to your views - just be consistent.

Post Merge: August 21, 2009, 07:33:55 PM
OK...following some links (thanks for the link to her blog) ...looks like this guy is getting some traction by playing the martyr (perhaps not entirely without cause) concerning an incident with the Border Patrol

Not to take issue with him on the constitutional issues but...his hatefulness disqualifies him from getting so large a platform, IMO - hopefully someone within that political body he's getting noticed by steps up and calls him out on that crap.

[GinaDouglas]

"The same God who instituted the death penalty for murders is the same god who instituted the death penalty for rapists and for homosexuals, sodomites and queers"

Some other things that are also capital crimes, according to the Old Testament:

A woman losing her virginity before marriage, or being either party in adultery with a married woman.

Striking or cursing one's own parent.

Breaking the Sabbath.  This would include such things as driving, making a telephone call or turning on a light, between sundown Friday and sundown Saturday.  I guarantee that the pastor in question has been guilty of this one.  He is probably also guilty of the capital crime of "false prophecy".  He and his entire congregation is probably also guilty of the capital crimes of "sacrificing to gods other than God alone," if they pass a collection plate in the name of Jesus.

[Julie Marie]

Would you want those penalties applied to, for instance, a gay person who publicly declares hatred for Christians and the church?

(and bet your buttons they are out there)

Or heck, take sexuality out of it - I see people on line EVERY day who rip on the church and declare all religion is evil - we gonna pass a law broad enough to stop THAT hatred too?

If so, I nod with respect to your views - just be consistent.

Preaching hatred and murder is wrong, no matter who does it.  But I have to ask myself why you would even ask the question?  I think I've been pretty clear about where I stand.

As far as people who "rip on the church", can you blame them?  EVERY attack on the LGBT community comes from people who profess to be religious.  Oh, there may be an exception or two but they are few.  But I have NEVER heard one gay, lesbian or trans person aggressively attack any religious position, unless it is in defense or in violation of their civil rights.

Tell Focus on the Family, the American Family Association, the Family Research Council, Traditional Values Coalition, Americans for Truth, Concerned Women for America, the Maine Family Policy Council, National Organization for Marriage, etc to stop waging negative campaigns against LGBT people and see how long the war lasts.  It will end in an instant because LGBT people don't want a war.  They just want to be treated like every other normal person and enjoy the same rights.

Is that so hard?   

Julie

[MaggieB]

Honestly, Laura, I don't understand why you defend Christians when the OVERWHELMING evidence says that they are hateful and bigoted.  I was there and when I saw the light, I was SO ashamed of my past views. Isn't it time to face it that those who you defend are willing to betray all of us including you...

[Shana]

Come now Maggie,

Not all Christians are evil.. some of my staunchest supporters are Christians, including family members.. and I'm pagan..

You have a right to your opinion, but in their defense, there are good among the bad and bad among the good in every walk of life. Not to mention the fact that a good many of our brothers and sisters here are in fact Christians themselves..

Just a little perspective..

[Walter]

Come now Maggie,

Not all Christians are evil.. some of my staunchest supporters are Christians, including family members.. and I'm pagan..

You have a right to your opinion, but in their defense, there are good among the bad and bad among the good in every walk of life. Not to mention the fact that a good many of our brothers and sisters here are in fact Christians themselves..

Just a little perspective..

Agreed. The majority of Christian people I talk to are not accepting of pretty much anything. But there are some that are accepting and not the stereotypical kind

[tekla]

You are aware aren't you that the idea and ideal of free speak is to protect the speech you find repugnant, abhorrent and detestable. You never have to worry about speech that is popular, well-liked, and non-threatening.

And the reason that W Bush makes such an attractive target in any number of ways, and on just about any conceivable level, is its hard to really get down and even begin to imagine just how much stuff he screwed up, how bad he screwed it up, and how much contempt he had for the people he was screwing over as he was doing it.

He left office with just about every major Presidential historian calling him the worst president ever.  You just don't forget that kind of bad overnight.  Or ever.

People will always focus on the "greatest" anything, greatest football game, greatest actress, greatest president and all that.  But we also never forget the greatest screw-ups either, like we don't forget the greatest serial killers, and mass murders - it's not just a matter of what they did (which was pretty amazing) but the totality and scale of its execution that boggles the mind.

[Tammy Hope]

You are aware aren't you that the idea and ideal of free speak is to protect the speech you find repugnant, abhorrent and detestable. You never have to worry about speech that is popular, well-liked, and non-threatening.

For once we completely agree.

Though it boggles my mind how you made the leap from this paragraph to a rant about W.