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Started by Cadence Jean, September 05, 2009, 01:41:13 PM

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Cadence Jean

Hi all!  I'll have to make this kind of brief because my GF and I are heading to a matinee of The Time-Traveler's Wife, but I told myself I would post an intro on here today rather than continue to put it off.  I've been using these forums and all of your wonderful posts(thank you for the info, BTW!) as sort of a research tool to understand myself better and attempt to define who I am.  Ever since high school, it seems like my identity is just a figment of my imagination - like whatever I did, I was simply acting out a role.  That was when my life derailed - I felt like a social failure because the girls wouldn't accept me as one of them, and the guy friends I had were fun to play video games or watch sci-fi with, but I never felt like I could be myself around them.  Not like I could with the girls.

Fast forward fifteen years - years filled with on again/off again dressing, a constant attraction to "->-bleeped-<-" pornography, a worship of the feminine divine, and putting down advances from homosexuals/putting up with derisive comments from guys.  I'm getting out of a seven year relationship(which ended in divorce) and the girl in me is back out of the closet.  I came out to my new girlfriend, and, in doing so, came out to myself.  Even though I thought I had suppressed that feminine aspect for good - that as long as I had a woman in my life, I wouldn't have to be one - she won't be put back in the closet!  I realized that I needed to be fully realized in order to be a fully integrated, self-sufficient person.  I shouldn't need to rely on having a girlfriend to live vicariously through in order to feel whole.

I started seeing one of the coolest therapists about a month ago.  She is amazing.  We went from introductions to talking about hormones in that time span.  I don't know if the rules have laxed or if she's just really laid back about these things, but I was expecting a long, drawn out battle to prove my inner identity to her.  Nope.  I'm not comfortable moving ahead with anything that will permanently alter my body yet.  I am trying laser hair removal on my neck to see if it takes - my skin is light, but my hair is light too.:T  My hopes aren't too high, but the summer pricing they offered me was too good to pass up!  My therapist hasn't came right out and said that she's diagnosed me already, but she was talking about me moving onto body changes whenever I felt ready.  That seems like a positive indication to me that she'll provide whatever I need so that I can realize that woman I know I am and want to express to the world.

So, I just wanted to give a little background in this post so that when I start popping up in various places, you regulars out there aren't like, "Where'd this chick come from!"  Oh, almost forgot - for clarification purposes, I'll summarize my identity as follows: M2F, if I had to quantify the feminine and masculine in my psyche(soul) - 70% feminine, 30% masculine - lesbian oriented, guess I'd be the dominant one, but really I prefer equality in all aspects of a relationship.  That's one of the things that turns me off about men - dominance and competition, and also in my relationships, it seems like the women expect that from me, and I don't like myself when I act that role.

Anyway, that's me in a nutshell.  I'm sure I'll have some questions to pose as I start this long, sure-to-be-strange-and-exciting journey that I find myself embarking on.  I probably won't have too much to give back to the forums to start(unless anybody has some computer questions or wants to chat about parapsychological phenomena!), but I'll contribute as I gain experience to draw from.  Thanks for reading!  See you soon!
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lizbeth

Hi Calliope, welcome!

I look forward to seeing you around the forums. =)
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K8

Welcome to Susan's, Calliope.  It sounds like you are getting it together - good for you! :D

Quote from: calliope on September 05, 2009, 01:41:13 PM
Even though I thought I had suppressed that feminine aspect for good - that as long as I had a woman in my life, I wouldn't have to be one - she won't be put back in the closet!  I realized that I needed to be fully realized in order to be a fully integrated, self-sufficient person.  I shouldn't need to rely on having a girlfriend to live vicariously through in order to feel whole.

I did this too.  Eventually I realized that it wasn't enough to live vicariously through my partner.

Quote from: calliope on September 05, 2009, 01:41:13 PM
I'm sure I'll have some questions to pose as I start this long, sure-to-be-strange-and-exciting journey that I find myself embarking on.

You're right, it is a strange and wonderful journey.  Happy traveling! :)

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Hannah

Hey you, Calliope is a pretty nickname, it's nice to see some people still read.

Let us know how the movie was  :-*
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Janet_Girl

Hi Calliope , :icon_wave:

Welcome to our little family. Over 3100 strong. That would be one heck of a family reunion.

Feel free to post your successes/failures, Hopes/dreams.  Ask questions and seek answers. Give and receive advice.

But remember we are family here, your family now. And it is always nice to have another sister. :icon_hug:

And be sure to check out

Blessed Be.
Janet
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Cadence Jean

Thank you for the warm welcome, girls!  It's an awesome feeling to finally be addressed as a woman!  This is the first time that I've come out to anybody other than my girlfriend and therapist.  It was a little-nerve racking waiting to see what kind of a response I got, but of course, your words were very kind and accepting!

Kate - it's validating for me to hear that you tried the same method to suppress your true self.  I hadn't heard about anybody else using this method to suppress their feminine side and my therapist hadn't said it was a usual thing.  Maybe I'm not as much of an oddball as I thought I was!:P  Thank you for sharing!

Becca - thanks for the compliment.  It's the first time I've used that name with anybody else.  I don't know if it will stick, but it's what I'm going to use for now.  I got it from an issue of Sandman, the comic book.  I'm thinking of using Calli for short - kind of like Kelly, but uniquely me.

As for The Time-Traveler's Wife - they did alright with it.  This was the second time that I sat through it.  The first time was with a friend that I had promised I'd see it with before I met my new girlfriend.  The second time through, the flaws became very apparent.  I thought Bana's acting was wooden - his emotional expression is extremely subtle.  I think it gave little for Rachel McAdams to work off of.  The supporting actors did an excellent job, especially the Alba's.  As for how the story was presented, it lost a lot of it's character in the translation.  Little quirks with how the time-traveling worked(like how things in the past can't be changed because they've already happened and always have happened), many of the iconic settings(the Field Museum, the Newberry), and the memorable scenes were left off: the menage trois with Clare, Henry, and Henry; the time Clare erases the date and signature, but puts it back on because she doesn't want to ruin the space/time continuum; and when Henry beats up the dude who assaulted young Clare in the past.  And no Ingrid.:'(  Those things really made the book for me.  The movie was a good watch, but it could have used an extra fifteen minutes.  They would have been well worth it if they had included these scenes.

Have you read the book, Becca?
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Welcome to the forum, Calliope.

Gennee

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Hannah

Are you referring to greek mythology, the comic book, or the book the movie came from?
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Cadence Jean

Quote from: Becca on September 06, 2009, 03:13:40 PM
Are you referring to greek mythology, the comic book, or the book the movie came from?

Hmmmm...How about all?  That's sure to keep the conversation going.:)
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Stealthgrrl

Hello Calliope.  :) I agree, that's a pretty name.

Forgive me for skipping your one subsequent post here, I am reading "The Time Traveler's Wife" right now and it looked like there might be spoilers in what you wrote.  :o
I am LOVING the book so far!

So much of what you said in the top post sounds like me, from past years, before transition. Longing to be with those i felt comfortable with, but of course, women will never let their hair down with a male, no matter who he is, like they will with other women. So there you probably are, stuck with being where you don't want to be, but not allowed into the "Girls' Club." It's painful. Also, I was attracted to women and still am, exclusively, but in the bad old days they usually didn't see me as a potential partner, but rather "the nice guy friend" or gay buddy, even though i wasn't gay.

I think that many of us believe that having a gf or wife will make it all ok for us. I know I did. But it's unfair and limiting, in the end. Buying her clothes because YOU like them. Trying to get her to do stuff, ordinary girl stuff, because YOU want to do it, and can't. And don't get me started on the price attached to playing a false role in intimate situations....hiding so much of ourselves, we cheat both ourselves and our lover.

And gender role expectations, they're suffocating! I'm so glad to be free of being expected to lead, to pay, to do all that stuff that men are expected to do. Now, i can lead if it fits, or be receptive and passive if I want and nobody thinks it's weird. The very same qualities that I caught grief for before, I am liked for now. How odd is that?

Good luck, girl, and wlecome to this forum. we're glad to have you here.  :)

PS--oh, and you mentioned the kick you feel at being addressed in the feminine? It never goes away.  ;)

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Cadence Jean

Hey, Stealth - sorry this has been a long time coming.  Thank you for the welcome!  You're spot on with the "Girls' Club" deal.  For me, it was like, haven't we gotten past the gender boundaries by now?  What century is this, anyway?!  But they wouldn't accept me as one of their own - though I think they put on a good facade while I was with them.  And even if they had accepted me, I couldn't do things like try on clothes or do each other's makeup or show off my body at the beach with them, you know?

It's so validating for me when I hear other people say that they've had the same experience - living vicariously through the spouse/GF.  Whenever I had sex with my wife, I was thinking of what it must feel like from her body.  I thought I was being an attentive lover, but really - I wanted to experiencing the sex from inside her body.  I learned early on in the relationships I had with my ex-wife NOT to pick out clothes for her - we had an incident early on when I picked out a grotty flourescent green, sequined thong.  It looked awful on her and I must have embarrassed her terribly.  But in the back of my mind, there was always that, "Why doesn't she wear this?  Why doesn't she do her makeup this way?  Why doesn't she present herself like this?"  I didn't feel like a whole person unless she was with me - now that I've started exploring my feminine aspect, I'm beginning to feel whole without having another woman around me 24/7.

Anyway, I didn't want your welcome to go unanswered, so thanks again for the well wishing!  I'll see you around!

P.S.  How you doing on The Time-Traveler's Wife?  Isn't it awesome?!  What a great blend of sci-fi and romance.  It's my number two book, right behind Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five".
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Stealthgrrl

I'm not a quick reader, and I am about a third of the way into it, but I am loving every page. I'm pretty much in love with Clare myself. Sometimes I like Henry, sometimes not so much, but I think the book is brilliantly done!

I read Slaugherhouse Five ages ago, but I remember it well. I read just about everything he wrote, once I had discovered him. I really liked God Bless You Mister Rosewater at the time, but I can't remember much about it now. The two I remember best are SH5, and Breakfast Of Champions.

These days I very rarely read fiction by male authors. I've become pretty femcentric in my old age, and find that women write what's meaningful to me most of the time, not men.
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Cadence Jean

I really identify with the plight of both characters.  They're both very cool people, and believable enough.  Henry was a little larger than life as the lock-picking, marathon running intelligent librarian from the Newberry!  But otherwise, the characterization was great.  Gomez was also great as comedy relief - something the movie didn't portray enough!

It's great to meet another Vonnegut fan!:D  There seem to be so few of us left in the world!  I have about ten of his books.  I read all the ones that were overtly sci-fi, and had trouble getting through the one or two I tried that seemed to be straight up fiction.  My top five in order of kick-ass-ness are:  Slaughterhouse Five, Galapagos, Cat's Cradle, Sirens of Titan, and God Bless You Mr. Rosewater.  Slapstick and Player Piano are great too.  I honestly can't remember what "God Bless You..." is about or how it managed to make number 5!  Galapagos is absolutely amazing - the breadth of the book.  It's Kurt Vonnegut's version of an epic, I swear.  And Cat's Cradle drips with cynicism - "See the cat?  See the cradle?"  They need to make a true-to-the-source movie out of that one.  They could have dude who plays Mini-Me play Newt and maybe Penelope Cruze play Mona, if she's not too old for the part.

There are so many great male authors out there.  Have you read Neil Gaiman's work?  It has a strong feminine undercurrent.  Chip Kidd is good for a hectic comedic romp.  There's a great sci-fi book that came out in the past decade titled "Cloud Atlas".  I would highly recommend.

What do you look for from female writers versus male?
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Stealthgrrl

I have read "Good Omens", which was co-authored by Gaiman. it was good.

I think I like women authors more partly for the same reasons I like women's company more. They speak my language and they're about people, not car chases.
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