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What do YOU say when someone asks if you're trans?

Started by Arch, October 18, 2009, 09:01:38 PM

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K8

Dee,

I've thought about this a little more.  Aside from the huge insult, this was a VERY scary situation.  What if he didn't accept your answer?  What if he didn't let you leave?  We should all learn something from your experience.

Women in this culture are much more vulnerable than men.  Trans-women are even more vulnerable.  You've had a bad scare, irrespective of you being trans.  No wonder you were badly shaken.  Any sensible person would be.

Please be careful.  Follow your instincts.  Take good care of yourself always.

*hugs*
Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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heatherrose



God Damn It Dee, Why did you do that to your avitar?
You are not a "Fugly Trannie Freak"! You have made such
phenomenal progress in your transition, don't let the bastards grind
you down, you are so much stronger than this, you know you are! Act like it!



"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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Janet_Girl

Dee,

A) I absolutely hate that avatar.  You are one of the girls I am jealous of because you are pretty.  You are hurt, but most rednecks like him as pure ignorant.  It is because of the years of inbreeding.

B) You are a great lady and have every right to be you.  Are you going to let one Richard Cranium rule such a beautiful person?  You have very reason to be proud of yourself.

C) Tear down those curtains, and burn them.  If you ever see that thing again, walk up to him and slap him in the face and tell him he has now been "B***h Slapped".  Turn your back on him and leave.

Many, many hugs My Sister.


Janet
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Alyssa M.

Dee's story reminds me (in a roundabout way) of a couple incidents I have experienced:

I went out about a month ago, and met a friend (C) of a friend (M) -- a cute girl with short hair and a fairly butch fashion sensibility. I got to talking to someone I'd met a few times before, and she noticed this other girl talking to our mutual friend. She asked me, "who's he?" I asked what she meant, and she said, "That guy talking to M?" I just said, "She's C. She's an old friend of M, but I only met her tonight." That solved that nasty little conundrum. (And, yes, I thought it was just a bit ironic that she got the right pronoun for me, and the wrong one for C.)

More awkward was the time I saw a picture of a friend of mine and his fiancee on his computer screen, and I asked "who's that guy?" -- meaning the fiancee. He said, "that's me." Well, I had gathered that, but I sensed something was wrong, so I just said, "oh." Then he said, "and that's my fiancee." (Whom I hadn't met -- they had been in a long-distance relationship and I never had a chance to see her when she was in town.) That could have been reeeeeeaaaallly awkward. She's actually pretty cute -- it was just something about the expression on her face that, well, made her look like a guy.

The point is, it's EXTREMELY insulting, regardless the circumstance, to mistake a woman for a man. But it happens from time to time, even to some attractive women. I don't ever expect to pass 100% -- but I would like to think that I could reach a point where someone reading me as a man would mean about the same as it would to C or my friends fiancee (now his wife).

I think that's what reminded me about these stories -- Dee's response was pretty much exactly what C's response might have been (if I hadn't been super-suave ::) and defused the situation). Except it almost certainly wouldn't have been nearly as hurtful to C.

Dee -- I know what you mean about bluriness -- I hate every picture of me that is detailed and in focus. So do most women, which is why Photoshop exists. Take this eggregious example: http://www.uberpix.net/wp-content/main/2009_08/thanks-to-photoshop.jpg (and, yes, I'd be thrilled to look like the "before" picture). But you do look pretty darn good in that iphone picture. I like what you did to your hair -- I think that makes a big difference. :) In your (messed up) avatar, it doesn't have the volume and life. Please don't shave it off! It seems like you're getting better and better with your presentation. Don't give up -- just GTFO of TX!!!!  >:-)

How I respond: well, for now, I think I look fairly lousy (whatever my friends telling me I'm "beautiful" say), and I don't expect to successfully be read as a woman 100% of the time; I just expect to be respected as a human being. So it doesn't really bother me that much if I'm read. I'm well accustomed to failure, and to me it only means I need to work at it more. I get infinitely more "ma'am's" now than I did presenting as a guy, so I take that to be progress. I don't know a thing in life that's worth doing that you can expect not to fail at many times before you succeed. But, yes, it sure hurts like hell when I fail.
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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axlred66

I think I'm lucky.  No one has ever asked but I don't know if they've thought of it.

If I was asked that, I'd say "I can be anything I want to be" :)
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jesse

Dee you are not ugly yohave beautiful red hair the curls accent your face. this guy read you so what it happens and you handled it as good as can be expected given the ciumstances (ithe middl of no where) Use this as a learning experience and dont put yourself in that circumstance again. that dosnt mean to hide in your house hun there are good people out there go to clubs meet people you will find someone who loves you for you i believe this with all my heart. the orld is full of diversity and there are people out there who dont care if your trans or not i have met them on line and in real life. Find them live your life
hugs
jessica
like a knife that cuts you the wound heals but them scars those scars remain
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Dianna

#46
Dee , big hugs to you, that guy needs a kick up the a**e.   :icon_bunch:
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jesse

i am 42 hun please think about what you are allowing this person to do to you. again you are not ugly i cant stress this enough. you have a good heart dont let this experience blacken it to the point it saps your will to live. please check into a hospital before you harm yourself there are people here who care about you. I also dont believe you have one life i believe we all have lessons to learn and will keep reincarnating until we learn them. This is not the place for a philisophical discussion though i am concerned for your health. Dee do you have family support close friends call them use the resources you have. i have only allowed my own trans issues out recently untill a year ago no-one would have been the wiser to it ...i supressed so well. there is someone out their for you please dont rightoff your right to be loved.
jessica
like a knife that cuts you the wound heals but them scars those scars remain
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SarahFaceDoom

I am not sure I've ever been asked if I was trans.  If someone asked me, I would tell them that I am, just because, whatever.  The question I hear usually is "are you a guy or a girl?" which is an easy one to answer.  So I usually answer it and then look befuddled at them.  Because honestly, I don't know any guys who look like me or would be wanting to look like me.  Or are named Sarah(the only times this has come up is at work, where I have a uniform with a name tag on it). 

I always just find it strange.  Sometimes people will refer to me as "he" to someone they are with too, and I mostly just brush it off and think it's funny when it's happening.   It's mostly because I'm tall (5-11) and have a low voice.  But honestly if they want to pretend that I'm a boy, then that's fine.  They're strangers, and whatever gets them by is fine with me.

It's weird because when I wasn't out, I would still get the same question, with people referring to me as she.  So who really knows.  I've passed caring about it, beyond personal safety issues.
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heatherrose

Dee,


You are not that much older than I am. I know the anguish that you have
endured throughout your life, having gone through the same thing myself. I
understand how devastated you must feel. Stay on this path long enough and
we will all have similar experiences. You are not alone and you know that, that
is why you came here with this development in your life.The strength and
determination that it took to start on this journey will carry you through this
and you will recover. You did this for you, you did this because no matter what
you perceive your outer appearance projects, you know you are a woman. 




"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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mickie88

first, it is a very rude question to ask. 2nd, around here they don't ask if you are trans, it's didn't you used to be a man---kinda questions. i have never been asked if i was trans, just accused of not being a girl, being only a crossdresser, and blatantly asked if i was male. being honest has cost me not one, but TWO places to live because the state of ohio does not protect transwomen when it comes to housing like the Samaritan House. at the one place. she was like, are you male? and i told her i was a transsexual woman, and since my license still has an m on it--which i will hopefully get changed very very soon--yay!!---her response was my sister is a lesbian!! big deal!!! how the hell does that help me have a place to live?? then she kinda suggested i goto a mens' mission of all places!!! the nerve!!

the other place, i stayed at for about a month and they didn't know until before the day they literally gave me three days and threw me out on my ass-in the pouring down rain no less--because half the town knew i was ts and someone decided to snitch. the second place said they would call to check on my progress as ssince it was part of their program---it's been almost a month and i aint heard from them since--and highly doubt i will be. both places tried to help me find another place i could go, but couldn't pull anything other than--have you thought about staying at a men's shelter???---yeah only if i want a severely early funeral!!!!

in essence being honest can cost you a lot when you have no job, no car, and no home. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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sneakersjay

Dee, it sucks that that guy was an arse.  Unfortunately there are a lot of arses in this world!  You are a beautiful woman with a kind heart and look no more masculine than my sister and a few other woman friends.

I think you handled it well under the circumstances.  Hang in there.  We're here for you.


Jay


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Arch

Quote from: The Only Warrior Princess Mekayla on October 23, 2009, 08:09:31 AM
first, it is a very rude question to ask. 2nd, around here they don't ask if you are trans, it's didn't you used to be a man---kinda questions.

Yeah, I'm really expecting (if anything) a question more like "Aren't you a woman?" But that would have dorked up my subject line and only applied to FTM types!

It really is a rude thing to ask, but my students, for one example, are still young and might not have learned not to ask such questions. But then, I've seen rude questions from people of all ages.

I once had to miss a day of work for what I told my boss was "minor surgery." She started telling everyone I was having a tooth pulled or something, which I thought was idiotic because I never said anything about a dentist. Anyway, I came back to work and was asked by a coworker how my dental appointment had gone. I gave her a blank look, so she explained what the story was. I told her it wasn't a dental appointment and left it at that, but she wasn't satisfied and started saying, "Well, what kind of appointment WAS it?" I wasn't so good at saying "MYOB" when I was twenty-one, so I just said that I had had a growth removed, which was true enough--in fact, I had had an abortion. Then she had the flaming gall to ask me where the growth had been!!! I was flabbergasted. Of course I wasn't going to get specific, but where does she get off asking me that???

When it comes to trans issues, a lot of people seem to think that they have a RIGHT to know exactly what was done. But I'll bet that many of those same people are nosy about everything.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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K8

Well, Dee, if you're 49 and only have 20 years to go, and I'm 66 that must mean...  I certainly hope not.  After too many years of misery, life is finally starting to get good.  (Of course, if I lived in SE Texass, the math might work.)

When I started this I was still very tentative.  My doctor encouraged me and said I had the right to be happy.  We all do, Dee.  But it really isn't about being happy – it's about being whole.  You have the right to be whole, Dee, despite what the rednecks, Nazis, white-supremacists, bible-thumpers, and assorted narrow-minded bigots think.  (Gawd, you live in a tough place.  Regardless, there are good people everywhere – some places just have a smaller percentage than others.)

We have to play the hand we're dealt.  I'll never be knock-out gorgeous.  Neither will you, Dee.  Not many women are.  I always figure if people aren't gagging when the look at me, I'm doing OK.  And as you get older, it works in your favor because people don't expect you to look like Hannah Montana when you're in your 50s and 60s.

Talk to someone, Dee.  Find a friend or counselor who you can talk to.  Living in your head can be scary.  (Ask me how I know this. ::))

I look forward to seeing your old avatar.  (At least the new one shows you still have your sense of humor, kiddo. ;))

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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MaggieB

Dee,
I am willing to bet that you didn't choose to transition because of all the benefits and perks it offers, right?  Most of us transition because we have come to the end of the misplaced gender road in our lives.  Nobody says it is easy or safe or even a guarantee of success.  Just like before, there is always some who are better looking or smarter or whatever. You have been able to make great strides, don't throw them away because you feel that you failed.

You got knocked down by this guy's comments. We are standing around you holding our hands out to help you up.  Please get up. We all get the stuffing kicked out of us in this maddening world that will never understand, but we do.  Come on, sister,  don't let this creep win.  There will come a day when someone will need your help. Maybe me.  Stand with us.  We are all we have. We need you.

Maggie
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Steph

It happens every so often my initial response is always:

"Why on earth would you ask a question like that?"

The reason I do that is to throw it back at them so that they have to think about why they want to know, and it gives me a little time to think of answers.

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Arch

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Alyssa M.

Quote from: K8 on October 23, 2009, 09:06:14 AM
Well, Dee, if you're 49 and only have 20 years to go, and I'm 66 that must mean...  I certainly hope not.  After too many years of misery, life is finally starting to get good.  (Of course, if I lived in SE Texass, the math might work.)

[geek]Assuming (as a gross approximation) that lifespan is an exponential random variable, that means you have ... let's see ... about 20 years. ;) [/geek]
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Autumn

I had a customer ask me. She was a little bit of an odd-ball, and a pretty staunch christian, but... she seemed like a nice lady. She was asking me if I was trans because of my nails, earrings, and the ring I was wearing even though I think I was wearing mens' clothing at the time. She was a very accepting and open minded woman from the looks of it, and she said she asks questions like those because if she doesn't, then she'll never learn things. She gave me advice on how to shape my nails for a more modern look.

I had another customer waiting about 5 feet away, and it was a year and a half ago... Now, if it was just the two of us? I'd probably tell her honestly. I really regret that I couldn't have been open with her, because I think it would have been a wonderful thing for her to experience. But that's life.
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