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Started by Carson, December 07, 2009, 06:13:00 AM

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Carson

Hey guys I went to my consultation with Dr. McGinn a few days ago and she recommended that I go on T cream instead of injecting but I really would rather inject just because I have a girlfriend and I would rather not have to worry about the cream transferring to her. Also I would much rather inject every week than have to put cream on twice a day. She seemed really annoyed by this but said that I could do what I want. SHe kept talking about all these bad side effects. So i was wondering, are the side effects really that bad?

It also came down to cost, 50 for a few months or 50 a month is a big deal.
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kestin

Uh... apart from the effects T is supposed to give, I haven't noticed averse side-effects >_< on the odd occassion a bruise might develop or the muscle is sore for a while (usually not longer than a day or so) and those effects get less and less as time goes on and I become a more fine-tuned injecter.
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Renate

Quote from: Carson on December 07, 2009, 06:13:00 AM
She seemed really annoyed by this but said that I could do what I want.

Um, on the face of it, this doesn't sound very professional.
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Carson

Quote from: Renate on December 07, 2009, 06:45:01 AM
Um, on the face of it, this doesn't sound very professional.

Yeah I was really turned off by her attitude about it but there really isn't anyone else in my area as specialized as her to go to. Also it took my months to get an appointment with her and I just want to get started not have to start the whole process over again. And apparently she was annoyed enough to put me on a full dose right away which she never does according to my therapist.
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LordKAT

as i recall, you absorb less T with cream than you make use of when injecting. seems more bad side effects from the cream or gels to me. dry skin for one.
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Nero

what side effects? as others mentioned, sometimes there's a little soreness at the injection site and occasionally the needle will hurt going in and sometimes it bleeds a little. But most of the time everything goes smoothly. The cream sounds like more hassle to me.
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Carson

Yeah I really didn't want to have to worry about putting cream on everyday.

Apparently the acne is worse and the T levels don't stay as consistent but she put me on a weekly shot which most guys say pretty much alleviates the problem of T levels fluctuating.
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JonasCarminis

idk what she meant about side effects from the injection, but the benefits of T cream (used directly on your junk) can have major benefits if you want more growth.  im currently on both.
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Carson

Quote from: Josh on December 07, 2009, 09:11:47 AM
idk what she meant about side effects from the injection, but the benefits of T cream (used directly on your junk) can have major benefits if you want more growth.  im currently on both.

I really wanted to do that but I am just worried about it transferring to my girlfriend so I have settled on pumping (as soon as I get the equipment).
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JonasCarminis

yea, that sucks. :/  might be a huge pain (with chance of huge results haha) but you might be able to apply it, wait however long it needs to absorb, then wash the area.
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Carson

Quote from: Josh on December 07, 2009, 09:17:41 AM
yea, that sucks. :/  might be a huge pain (with chance of huge results haha) but you might be able to apply it, wait however long it needs to absorb, then wash the area.

Do you think that would work? like put it on in the morning and wait and then wash it? Also, do you think it's worth it? Sorry if this is too personal.
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JonasCarminis

im not sure how easily it washes off or how long it takes for most of it to be absorbed, but in theory it would work. :P

i was pretty much at a stand still, then i started using it and ive grown about 1/4 inch.  i used it consistently for about 1.5 months then sort of trailed off. >_<  i should really get back on that.
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Carson

Quote from: Olly on December 07, 2009, 11:54:54 AM
It's worth finding out if your Doc is being encouraged to promote T cream over shots. The pharm company may be funding her to promote their product.

If she had taken it farther and actually argued with me then maybe I would have. But as it were she DID end up prescribing me exactly what I wanted so it wasn't that big of a deal I was just really curious to see if anyone had actually had really bad side effects.

In the end I told her that I just couldn't afford the T cream so it was really a non issue.
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Carson

I don't know whether it is the oil or how much is absorbed, maybe a combination of both but I agree, if there were really major issues with injecting I don't think that the majority of guys would inject.
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YoungSoulRebel

Quote from: Carson on December 07, 2009, 06:13:00 AM
Hey guys I went to my consultation with Dr. McGinn a few days ago and she recommended that I go on T cream instead of injecting but I really would rather inject just because I have a girlfriend and I would rather not have to worry about the cream transferring to her. Also I would much rather inject every week than have to put cream on twice a day. She seemed really annoyed by this but said that I could do what I want. SHe kept talking about all these bad side effects. So i was wondering, are the side effects really that bad?

It also came down to cost, 50 for a few months or 50 a month is a big deal.

The side-effects of injecting testosterone are few, but here they are to the best of my knowledge:

* it's suspended in either soya or sesame oil (depending on the brand), so if you're allergic to either, the reaction can vary.  I have a soya allergy and until I made sure my chemist knew this (I had previously assumed that they did), injections would make me itch for days, at which point they switched me to a brand that uses sesame; but my allergy is pretty mild.
* injecting hormones gives you "hormone highs" on the day and day after injecting and "hormone lows" on the last day or two before injecting again, whereas cream gives you an even level that does not have highs or lows.  The effects of hormone highs and lows are well-documented, but many are variable -- like mood.  On the other hand, highs and lows in one's testosterone cycle can put one at a markedly increased risk for ovarian cysts or even cancer, and so doctors tend to recommend the cream to younger TS guys, just to reduce the risk to one's reproductive organs, in case one realises that they really aren't TS.

That's pretty much all i know of off the top of my head, aside from obvious stuff like "sore at the injection spot".


Quote from: Renate on December 07, 2009, 06:45:01 AM
Um, on the face of it, this doesn't sound very professional.

May not seem very diplomatic, but professionals tend to have an aversion to having their professional advice questioned.  LOL


Quote from: Carson on December 07, 2009, 09:14:08 AM
I really wanted to do that but I am just worried about it transferring to my girlfriend so I have settled on pumping (as soon as I get the equipment).

Wait...  pumping your junk?  o_O


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Elijah3291

Quote from: Josh on December 07, 2009, 09:25:22 AM
im not sure how easily it washes off or how long it takes for most of it to be absorbed, but in theory it would work. :P

i was pretty much at a stand still, then i started using it and ive grown about 1/4 inch.  i used it consistently for about 1.5 months then sort of trailed off. >_<  i should really get back on that.

so you can really do that?! that is awesome! once I'm on T I want as much growth as possible (obviously) lol.  Do you have to wash it off?
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notyouraverageguy

What side effects was she mentioning?

You know what they say, doctor knows best. Lol but you should also be able have a choice.

Yeah, that cost difference is a big deal.
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Carson

Quote from: YoungSoulRebel on December 07, 2009, 10:22:37 PM
Wait...  pumping your junk?  o_O

Yeah apparently it helps growth like crazy as long as you are consistent with it. As soon as I start T and have enough growth I plan on pumping.

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Quote from: Elijah on December 07, 2009, 10:37:26 PM
Do you have to wash it off?

You don't HAVE to wash it off as long as you don't have a girlfriend going down there. I just was wondering if it would wash off so it wouldn't transfer to my gf.

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Quote from: ccc on December 07, 2009, 11:02:47 PM
What side effects was she mentioning?

You know what they say, doctor knows best. Lol but you should also be able have a choice.

Yeah, that cost difference is a big deal.

Well I don't want o blame it on the fact that she is MtF but... she was really biased which I can understand as a person being MtF and being disgusted by the changes that T gives people but as a doctor?... I wasn't very enthused. She was talking about how I'm going to smell bad.To which I responded, "No I won't smell bad, I'll smell different, providing I shower every day." and she said hair loss, and "gross hair all over my face". And I just said that those all sound great to me. I think she was mainly talking about the T level fluctuation and the acne but I don't think that they are as serious as she was saying they were. Especially because she put me on weekly shots. She also talked about heart problems and bone problems but she had already told me to start taking calcium and vitamin D for those because of my family history.
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YoungSoulRebel

Quote from: Carson on December 08, 2009, 07:01:54 AMYeah apparently it helps growth like crazy as long as you are consistent with it. As soon as I start T and have enough growth I plan on pumping.

You mean, like, with a penis pump, right?  I find this claim highly suspect.  Studies on men with actual dicks have proved no significant growth, and that "enthusiastic pumping" can rupture blood vessels, blister, and cause temporary damage to erectile tissue (and temporary damage may become permanent when people aren't careful).

As for anything related to FTM men specifically, the only article i was able to find that actually seemed both relevant and realistic is this one, which recommends pumping as a masturbatory aid and also warns:

Don't get too excited, you aren't going to grow 4" or anything like that fantasy number that may be floating around your grey matter. Mileage varies from user to user. No one can guarantee that it will work or that your money will be well  spent. In fact, improper usage can do more harm than good. Ligaments are capable of being torn, tissue can be bruised or abraded. Before deciding whether to make an investment in one of these products there are a variety of factors that you should analyze.

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If you have had phalloplasty or metaoidioplasty, my suggestion is that you either pass or consult your physician. There is really no telling what effect pumping could have on the scar tissue. Impatience and an overzealous nature are also indicators that this activity may not be for you as the likelihood for overusage and injury increase. If you have limited spending cash, are saving up for surgery, or are looking for guarantees, you may want to reconsider spending your money.


Seriously, I advise against it.  The only "guaranteed" growth is temporary (it'll return to normal in a couple hours, tops), and prolonged use has the risk of doing more harm than good -- especially if you expect it to "help growth like crazy", cos that'll make you more likely to go overboard.

I'm also highly suspect of the idea that rubbing androgel on one's junk actually makes a significant difference in growth from either a) applying anywhere else or, b) injections (or injections alone, apparently). 

As intriguing as the notion of having anything bigger than what I've got after a year and change on HRT is (or, later on, two year or three years -- take it from a slut [that would be me], a lot of cis- men end up "bigger below the belt" at around twenty or so then they were at sixteen, so the idea that continued HRT may continue growth for another year or so isn't far-fetched), and as somebody who may just trip over a big pile of money on his way to work one day and get that meta-, the idea of dropping ~$35 (or more) on something that 1) is not a guarantee for TS men, 2) has proven no significant effects on cis- men, and 3) in both cases, carries the potential of doing more harm than good doesn't sound like money well spent, if you ask me.

Of course, far be it from me to tell you how to spend your money, but seriously, don't assume it's a great idea just cos a few guys on the tubes told you it "worked like crazy" for them -- they may be telling the truth, but there's also the possibility that, as with cis- men who swear by their pumps, any permanent growth "experienced" is simply all in their head and not real.

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Radar

As for the T highs & lows that depends. If your getting a shot once a week that reduces the extremes of T high & lows since T stays in your body 7-10 days. I inject every week and have no problems with highs & lows, but I've heard of guys who do who inject every 2-3 weeks and have issues. The cream does keep your levels consistent through the week but injections don't automatically mean your going to have fluctuation issues.

Pumping does work. Trust me on this. ;) You start with using the nipple pumps and once you get too much girth and length to use it you can use the smallest penis cylinder. That seems to work well for me. When pumping you do need to follow advice and be sure you're not over pumping because of possible damage (blisters, bruising, ect.). It won't make you huge but, if done properly and consistently, it can cause permanent increase. This is my experience- YMMV.
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