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Do you feel like you are two people?

Started by Terra, December 13, 2009, 09:07:32 AM

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*Read post* Do you feel like you are two people?

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Terra

Lately I sometimes feel like i'm two different people. Not pre versus post transition or passing and not passing. For insistence i'm usually vary calm and peaceful around people. I've even had people tell me its like i give off a motherly vibe. Then I suddenly, and I feel myself do it, a 180 and become a complete bitch.

Its not mood swings, and I recognize the mood. Its me, or how I was as a guy. It feels like I have two personalities that get switched. If it weren't me i'd find it facinating, as it feels almost like split personalities except i'm aware and myself. Best theory I have is i'm skitzo except i'm told that i'm not.

*shrugs* Maybe a side effect of transition?
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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Nero

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that's lovely, Jenny.
I guess I feel similar. 'She' was always a phantom and now she is a ghost.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Nero on December 13, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
that's lovely, Jenny.
I guess I feel similar. 'She' was always a phantom and now she is a ghost.
Glad it resonates with someone.

I guess the only difference between you and I is that price of her becoming a ghost was that we had to fuse.

We are now her, but a part of me once was him, and unlike some, now that I am her, I find I can embrace that part and allow it to give me hidden depths and inner strength.
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Nero

Quote from: rejennyrated on December 13, 2009, 10:24:34 AM
Glad it resonates with someone.

The only difference between you and I is that price of her becoming a ghost was that we had to fuse.

We are now her, but a part of me once was him, and unlike some, now that I am her, I find I can embrace that part and allow it to give me hidden depths and inner strength.

I hope I someday get to that point. For now, it's almost as if she has died and I am grieving. I miss her, or at least, other people's relationships to her.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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rejennyrated

It's actually one of the great ancient mystical quests. Janet, and others from the wiccan and/or pagan tradition will understand it.

The mystical union between the Animus and the Anima! That has been the spiritual work of my life.

Without wanting to sound too weird I believe that when they are truly one you evolve spiritually to become something quite different, and maybe in time you can eventually move onto another plain of existance.

I don't quite know what it is that one becomes yet. But whatever it is, I'm an infant one of them and I'm here for (hopefully) one last time to learn and mature.

I'm absoluetly sure you'll get there too. It does say "seek and ye shall find" after all...
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Janet Lynn on December 13, 2009, 10:49:01 AM
Many nations of my people know very well the two-spirited person, and many still revere them.
And your words speak volumes to many of us, Jenny.


Blessed Be
Janet
Ah yes indeed - but in my experience so few seem to understand that the deepest quest for a two spirit is to conjoin the two sides of their person into something magical and new - for so it is said that in the end is my beginning - as one. I was two spirit. Now we two are one again.

That is at least a part of the meaning of the Ouroboros as I undertsand it. The two fuse and in so doing swallow each other up leaving the one again. The same only also different.

Sorry if that's gone a bit weird for anyone but it's something I feel is important to me.

[we now return you to the normal thead]  :)
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LordKAT

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Northern Jane

Again I am the odd duck for there were never two, only one, but that was something I couldn't see until afterwards. That was what made it so difficult to pass for what everyone thought I should be; I didn't pass because it wasn't in me. But it made integration and assimilation easy because there was nothing that didn't fit, didn't belong.

We are all unique, all different.
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Zelane

No, I dont feel like two people. And I cant understand those that talk about themselves like they are/were two persons.

Like when someone says, "she" did that but "he" wanted another thing. Or like some others posted here. That they missed their "other" self the one past transition. I just dont get it but thats me.
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Miniar

I don't feel like "different people" I feel like a disco ball.
I just choose which facets are pointing forward at any given time.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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MasterAsh

Over the last few months, I've noticed I feel as two people, that my emotions carry the essence of one of two identities. There's several examples I could bring up, but the following is the most recent straight-forward one.

Near the end of October, I unexpectedly ran into my grandmother at the grocery store. I already have problems with unexpected social situations involving people I know. (I'm not a fan of surprise visits, either.) She went through the normal motions of asking how I've been and what have I been doing, when out of nowhere she asks "What's wrong with your eyebrows?" A few days prior, I'd had them shaped for the first time. She stares at them confused, knowing they're different but not grasping how, while I'm standing there uneasily. We were standing in the middle of the store's foyer, so people darting to and fro all around me heightened my anxiety.

I finally told her I had them shaped, that they looked "thick" only because they were more defined, that they were actually narrower. She just shrugs with an "oh" and, noticing me looking around at the many passers-by nervously, suggests we talk outside and out of the way. The conversion continues as normal, but all I can think about is how she responded to my eyebrows. . .I'm not out to any family members yet.

When the chat finally ended and I got to my car, I felt a few things. First, I felt a "male-tinged" frustration over thinking again about how I'll eventually have to tell her and the rest of my family about all of this. I guess it felt like that to me because it involved the relationships between Ash (using this as a substitute for my real male name) and my family. After this, though, I felt "female-tinged" sadness and disappointment over the way she responded to my eyebrows. I guess those emotions felt like they came from a female place because they involved one of the few outward expressions of Ashley I have available to me in public right now, along with my long nails, shaved arms, and ever-growing hair. Basically, my grandmother's reaction really hurt her (Ashley's) feelings. . .my feelings. Both sets of emotions combined had me in tears by the time I got home.

I don't ever feel like I have two distinct identities housed within me, but with Ash and Ashley living lives exclusive of one another, I can't help but feel my internal responses to external stimuli are greatly affected by whichever life is more sensitive or relevant to them.
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Nero

To clarify: It's not really that I ever felt like I was two people, however for most of my life there was this pretty woman people saw and reacted to who was not me. I didn't pass as male no matter what I did, so inescapably there was this woman people saw. And now she has vanished in a puff of smoke. I have always behaved the same and been the same - however people saw a pretty woman behaving a certain way and now they see a strange, short, teenage boy looking thing doing the same things. To me it's the same; to others, not so much.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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FairyGirl

I used to have a tendency to split myself up into various people or aspects before transition, most of them vehemently opposed to the others. This dis-integration was due I think now to PTSD (according to my therapist). With life experience, learning to trust my own intuitions, a bit of therapy, and mainly finally acknowledging who I've really been all along, that tendency has all but gone away, and I do understand that we are all one.

At one point my former "male" self wrote me a farewell letter of sorts, basically thanking me for saving our life and handing over the reigns so to speak, while bowing out and fading away. This was not however because I actually saw myself as two people at all, but it was a symbolic gesture on my part of putting that old life to rest, once and for all. I'm not ashamed of nor do I deny the fact that life once existed; what's done is done, but I acknowledged somewhat ceremoniously that it was passed and gone. Similar to a funeral I suppose- funerals are ceremonies for the living; the dead don't care one way or the other.
Girls rule, boys drool.
If I keep a green bough in my heart, then the singing bird will come.
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Terra

Quote from: Zelane on December 13, 2009, 04:28:25 PM
No, I dont feel like two people. And I cant understand those that talk about themselves like they are/were two persons.

Like when someone says, "she" did that but "he" wanted another thing. Or like some others posted here. That they missed their "other" self the one past transition. I just dont get it but thats me.

I never have felt like two people per se, just two personalities. How to put it better...like different masks I guess. The actor or 'me' stays the same. I know who I am and remember everything, but the mask presented to the world is different. I guess if it sounds like slipping back to pre transition, maybe it is. Dunno, and telling therapists this kind of stuff always gets me odd looks. They have no clue how to handle a 'normal' transsexual, much less an over analytical one like me.  :P

Actually, I thought about it more and especially after reading some of the other posts. It kinda feels like my soul is dragging around a dead weight. I kinda had an instance with suicide like Janet's but afterward it always felt like half of me was dead. Like it had lost the will to live. Yet I do wish to live and am quite ambitious towards my future goals. Gah, i'm starting to cross the line between science and spiritual again. :eusa_wall:
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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K8

No, I've always just been me - confused, troubled, weird, unsure - but me.  I was him.  He became me, but I am no longer him.  Kate is the new improved version of him.  I sometimes tell people that "he is in a better place now" but I know that he became Kate, which is who I am now.

- Kate, previously known by another name but really just the same person but far happier :)
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Valentina

no, I've always just been me.  Just one.

2 people?  2 personalities?  2 entities?

Isn't that called Dissociative identity disorder?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
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cynthialee

2 souls 1 body. 2 mind sets 1 brain. 2 sexualities only 1 is fulfilled. Yes I feel there are 2 souls in me but definatly not 2 separate well formed personalities. I am 1 person that is always of 2 minds on any subject. My coping mechanism is simple. The man part had his 41 years, now I want mine.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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HollyHC

I don't feel like two people in the sense you mean, but I'm certain that there is something more than one cohesive personality floating around inside my brain.

If you plotted it on paper, it would look like a set of axes. One the left you have all the positions associated with one personality, and one the right all the positions associated with the other. And all the positions are independent of each other.

Yeah, it sounds weird.

Some aspects of myself do seem to work on a dichotomy. I have a female sexuality, for instance, but every now and then that ugly male alternative creeps in. But the two aren't equivilent; its as if the female version lives in my brain and the male version lives only in the gonads.


If I thought of it in another way, I would have one fully-formed female personality, and a half-formed male personality parasitising off it.

(And on an entirely unrelated note: Yay! Fifteenth post!)
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Butterfly

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Fer

The laws of God, the laws of man, He may keep that will and can; Not I. Let God and man decree Laws for themselves and not for me; And if my ways are not as theirs Let them mind their own affairs. - A. E. Housman
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