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Started by spacial, February 27, 2010, 01:15:29 PM

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Asfsd4214

Quote from: Laura Hope on March 27, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
Can anyone give me a real "lower shelf" understanding of "resonance" as it applies to this subject and how one practices altering it?

It's probably something I already know and just don't make the association with this discussion but I don't want to assume that.

Ok, basically every human voice has a resonance, in technical terms the resonance is the specific combination of frequencies that make up the sound of that voice. In more simplistic terms, resonance can be described as simply the quality of the voice, not just its pitch range and most fundamental pitch, but the unique combination of sound that creates that tone.

Think of it like this. Lots and lots and lots of women speak around the same frequency, as do lots and lots and lots of men. But they ALL have unique voices, despite talking at the same fundamental pitch. They have different sounding voices because it resonates differently even at the same pitch.

The same sort of subtle differences that make the billions of different sounding voices in your life, also determine the way your brain interprets their gender. More so than anything else.

The attitude of their speech, the choice of words, the sentencing structure, can all have a huge impact in determining your interpretation of their personality. Masculine or feminine. But your interpretation of which gender they actually ARE is almost entirely resonance.

Even at the same fundamental pitch, a male voice and a female voice resonates differently, just like two different people have two different sounding voices even at the same pitch.

As for changing resonance, I really have no idea. People say I sound female you can decide for yourself here.
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All I did was practice a few times (couple of times every month or so) and it seemed to change on its own in the meantime.

It changed subtly over several months, so much so that my mother didn't realize it HAD changed until I played the before and after and she was utterly shocked and initially didn't think it was me she was hearing.

I think if I did anything, all I did was start talking the way I felt rather than trying to sound male.

But I know my experience seems to be quite uncommon, so more useful advice can be found at the following link.

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I've put it in quote marks so it doesn't get embedded, it might be useful to go to the link and also check out what she used to sound like in the description info for the video.


So yeah, in my opinion, the way you speak determines the femininity or masculinity of your personality, but only resonance and to a much lesser degree pitch determine your being read AS male or female. Far more so resonance than pitch, there's plenty of girls with low pitched voices.
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JillEclipse

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Quote from: spacial on February 27, 2010, 01:15:29 PM
A number of people who have changed from Male to female seem to be self consious about their voices. Especially the depth.

I was listening to Naoimi Campbel and it occured to be that this very sexy and femine woman has a deep voice.

But listening to it, it is very female. The secret is in how she tones different words.

I wonder if anyone else has noticed this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch#v=Y-PRTnkCgKo&feature=related
sorry but she does not have a deep voice. i have heard girls with voices really deep and also sexy.

also some women have very dry voices due to smoking.

also to ashley the poster above me your voice is so feminine i have a hard time imagining you as a male. your pitch sounds quite feminine. when i try to imitate your style of voice i have a male undertone lower pitch resonating underneath it. also why do you have to have that medication?
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Myself

Actually resonance of the voice is created by your sound waves going through resonance chambers in your body, like the vocal tract, pharynx, sinuses, nasal and mouth.
People usually say the chest too, but as far as I remember that's not true, instead it can give power/intensity to the voice so ignore that.

Resonance is what helps us identify between instruments which are playing at the same pitch, for  example a guitar, piano, violin. They can all play the same note but it sounds difference due to resonance (well, also intensity and repeat, but ignore those for now).

So in order to make your resonance more feminine, you need to make the resonance chambers smaller (how surprising!)

The Sinus and Nasal are nothing you can do about (Nasal barely contributes if I remember anyways) and vocal fold, well, not that I know of (and it also barely contributes).

The two most contributing resonance chambers are actually the pharynx and the mouth.

You have muscles at the base of your mouth which you can tighten a bit to make the pharynx smaller. also squishing the base of the tongue muscles (it doesn't mean playing with the tongue at all, just the base, which is deep at the base of the mouth) can help reducing the base of the mouth or the end of the pharynx in size, therefore feminizing your voice.

Good luck!
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Asfsd4214

Quote from: JillEclipse on March 27, 2010, 10:34:09 PM
sorry but she does not have a deep voice. i have heard girls with voices really deep and also sexy.

also some women have very dry voices due to smoking.

also to ashley the poster above me your voice is so feminine i have a hard time imagining you as a male. your pitch sounds quite feminine. when i try to imitate your style of voice i have a male undertone lower pitch resonating underneath it. also why do you have to have that medication?

I have multiple sclerosis (google RRMS). The medication is a type of interferon and reduces the likelihood of my immune system freaking out and deciding to attack part of my central nervous system.  ;D

Also thanks for the comments about my voice.
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AmySmiles

Quote from: Myself on March 28, 2010, 12:08:01 AM
You have muscles at the base of your mouth which you can tighten a bit to make the pharynx smaller. also squishing the base of the tongue muscles (it doesn't mean playing with the tongue at all, just the base, which is deep at the base of the mouth) can help reducing the base of the mouth or the end of the pharynx in size, therefore feminizing your voice.

Thanks very much for this in particular!  This must have been the last piece of my own puzzle because I think my voice sounds feminine every time when I play it back now.  Now I just have to train those muscles to be able to do it all the time  :icon_joy:
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