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mtf or ftm androgyne?

Started by lucaluca, May 15, 2010, 06:37:22 PM

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lucaluca

hi!
is there someone at susan's place who identifies as mtf or ftm androgyne? i am thinking about it for a while. is there someone who feels the need to change their body but would identifie as androgyne? 
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kyle_lawrence

I do, and I know there are several others as well who overlap the identities.  I bind and want top surgery, dress male, and cringe at being called a girl, but have no current plans to take testosterone or legally transition.
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Eva Marie

raises hand  :)

I've made some body changes to better fit who i am and sometimes i dress fem and wear makeup. That's the girly side.

The boy side is typical male. I'm genderfluid.

I see nothing wrong with it, so what if i like nail polish and chainsaws?

Androgyne encompasses an extremely wide variety of behavior. We welcome all, but you may get drug into the occasional fruitcake argument  :D

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RebeccaFog


It's been so long since I ruined my mouth's life with a fruitcake.   :laugh:
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Fenrir

To understand these fruitcake references, see this tense debate upon the subject: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,8479.0.html  ;)

And myself, though I have not done anything lasting yet (I have a binder, but have not taken hormones, had surgery etc.) I do feel like in the future I would like to do something to move more towards having an androgynous body. As a female-bodied person, I am not happy with my physicality, but when I imagine myself totally male I cannot see myself being happy with that either. My idealised mental image of myself is of something in-between. I want to confuse people.  :P Good luck to me doing that while still refusing to get my hair cut, but oh well...
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tekla

I want to confuse people.

A worthy goal.  Fun too.  Its good for people to have their little worlds rocked from time to time.  The expressions on their faces are so precious when they are all like "what?"

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Sevan

*raises hand* female body on T with no real plans for surgery. Nor do I have any plans on quitting wearing skirts.
I'm also the spouse to the fabulous Mrs. Cynthialee.


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no_id

Quote from: Fenrir on May 15, 2010, 09:37:43 PM
Good luck to me doing that while still refusing to get my hair cut, but oh well...
You have lovely, pretty hair.. If you do ever cut it keep the locks so I can make a scarf out of it..  8)
Tara: The one time in my life I thought I was happy, I was a f**kin zombie.

True Blood S3E2
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Rock_chick

Yes, though unlike Sevan, I'm intent of a full transition MtF, all so I can pivot round the centre point and and find the same kind of place I'm in at the moment, only I'll be approaching it from the right side of the gender spectrum.

Post Merge: May 16, 2010, 05:12:53 AM

Quote from: no_id on May 16, 2010, 04:54:52 AM
You have lovely, pretty hair.. If you do ever cut it keep the locks so I can make a scarf out of it..  8)

Fenrir hair hat scarf and glove combo maybe?
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rejennyrated

I'm like Helena but from several decades into the future ;)

(That reminds me Helena we must get either the Tardis or that Delorean working properly again :D)

I'm only very loosely an andogyne - but do I have unashamedly andro/geek components in my self expression even if physically and biologically I present as as fully female as it is medically possible for me to be.

Bascially I'm a gender non conforming girl, with a female body and a mind which is whatever!  :laugh:

But to answer the question - yes I deliberately did the FULL MtF transition and GRS as early in life as my circumstances would allow - precisely to allow myself to be at least somewhat cross gendered from what feels like the physically right side of the fence so to speak. It might sound a bit weird to some - but it works brilliantly for me!
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Rock_chick

The Delorean is in for it's MOT at the moment. You wouldn't believe how much they quoted me to fix the flux capacitor! :o
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Fenrir

Quote from: Helena on May 16, 2010, 05:12:02 AM
Fenrir hair hat scarf and glove combo maybe?

Sure, if it ever happens that I cut it off. I certainly have enough of it!  :D
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Virginia

Also raising hand. I have no intentions of transitioning and began HRT to control my gender dysphoria. The physical changes from HRT are easy to hide when I am not presenting female, but are a huge positive to my sense of female self. I shave my body, have had my facial hair removed and style my hair masculinely long. I spend the majority of my life as a guy but am equally comfortable presenting as male or female. Nothing locks in the way I present except for my clothes. I self identify as a woman who enjoys expressing herself as a man but refuses to give up her femininity.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Sevan

So lucaluca....you got our attention :) Why do you ask?

Also...thanks for this thread. Seeing everyone who's like me-transitioning and androgyn identified.
I'm also the spouse to the fabulous Mrs. Cynthialee.


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lucaluca

"normally" if someone transition they identifie as a certain gender. but i was wondering if there are peole, who wouldn't say that they are a certain gender, but feel the need to transition and i want to know why. i try to explain it a little bit better  ;) i wonder if there are people who say "i am an androgyne born in the wrong body". i wonder if this is possible, becuase if someone wants to change their body, it is because their gender does not fit with their bodybut if you are androgyne you have no gender or both, so where does the deed to transition come from? my english is not good enough, but i hope you understand what i mean  :D
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rejennyrated

Yes - I understand you very well.

The need to transition comes from bodily dyphoria with your physical SEX... not your mental gender.

I do prefer to be seen as of female gender but I don't really care all that much what "psychological gender" people take me for as long as they see that my physical sex is unequivocaly female.

To get to that point I had to undergo SRS. So yes it does happen.
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Crow

I (tenetively) plan on transitioning, but not all the way. I definitely identify as genderqueer/androgyne, not as FtM, and I want my body to reflect that. My plan is to take T short-term (I don't know for how long, though, probably a year or two-- I'll figure that out once I have access to a professional I can talk through details with) for the changes in voice/body hair/etc, but I don't intend to have top surgery (and certainly not bottom surgery), because my body shape in and of itself doesn't cause any particular dysphoria. I do very occassionally bind, but that's often more of a bandaid-fix for dysphorias I can't deal with quite as readily (such as my voice).

I guess what I want is for my body to reflect what I feel, in part because there is a painful disconnect between how I see and hear myself in my mind and on the pages of my sketchbooks and journals, and the way I see and hear myself in the mirror and when I speak... but also in part because it makes what I feel real in the rest of the world's eyes. maybe that part wouldn't be a factor if I lived in a different time and place, but in American in 2010 it's hard for it not to be a factor. The disconnect between mind and body is far too painfully apparent when the entire world around you only acknowledges your body when they speak to you and about you. Gender (which for most people is synonymous with sex) is engrained in everything, right down to our grammar, and it's hard to survive that when your sex doesn't match your gender.
Top Surgery Fund: $200/7,000
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no_id

I bind. I wear mixed clothing. My hair is relatively short.
I take nullifying anti-T/E hormone pills...
.. They're a bit placebo like, but they look really pretty....
.. Taste like m&m's too..
Tara: The one time in my life I thought I was happy, I was a f**kin zombie.

True Blood S3E2
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brainiac

I'm chugging along slowly in my transition. I'm not exactly sure which label actually fits me the best, so I tend to just say "genderqueer". I'm somewhere between androgyne and FTM; I have bodily dysphoria but not enough yet to make me sure I want to go on T. I would readily describe my gender as "effeminate male", and for now I am trying out changing my gender expression to see if that eases my dysphoria. I'm not sure if I'm going to need to transition more or if I'll be happy presenting in a more masculine, androgynous or mixed way with my body as it is now.
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Walter

I'm a FtM androgyne

But I'm not androgynous in the way I am, I just look androgynous (In my opinion I think I look androgynous anyway)
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