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Started by Espenoah, June 10, 2010, 10:24:38 PM

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Espenoah

I'm really sick of my parents when it comes to transitioning at the moment. It's like no matter what I tell them, they're not realizing how important it is too get the ball rolling.

I came out to my parents last New Year's Eve after a dream about it that really shook me up (It was a really stupid dream, but the guilt of hiding from my parents really got to me when I woke up). I was upset to the point where I was having a panic attack when I woke up. I've never gotten that stressed over anything, so at that point I knew I had to tell them.

I made sure to make it as blunt as I could while still being considerate of their feelings. I started it out by saying, "Mom, Dad, I'm transgendered. I want to be a boy." I made things very clear. At one thing they asked me if I was sure, and I told them, "I'm positive. I've known for years."

Zoom to four months later. After bugging them relentlessly to make a therapists appointment, they finally scheduled one in May. I would've done it myself much sooner, but where I'm going the first meeting is a family appointment, so I needed them to agree to it. Eventually, they had to cancel it for reasons I don't remember.

So there I was, 5 months later now. I came out and didn't make any progress no matter what I tried to tell them, which was really getting to me. Dysphoria was (and still is) at it's peak, and every time any trans issue came up, the conversation would end a few sentences later.

The straw that broke the camel's back came a week or so ago. I had told my mom several times I wanted a haircut, and showed her pics of exactly what I wanted. She knew how big of a thing it was for me to finally get the hairstyle I wanted. But one day, she was looking through a JCPenny's ad, and I commented on one of the girl's hair by saying I liked it. She instantly jumped on it and said we should go get my hair done this summer, and that we could ask my hairdresser to get it cut like that, blahblahblah. It was an OBVIOUS woman's cut. I didn't say anything then because I figured I could deal with a woman's cut for a little longer.

But then it brewed overnight...And the next day I spilled my guts to her. I hate to cry in front of anyone, but I did it. I told her I was sick of trying to accommodate for my parents when this was something I NEEDED, I NEEDED therapy, I NEEDED some progress, and I was going to get the haircut I wanted. And what did she say to me?

"When you told us on New Year's, it seemed like you were still thinking about it. It didn't seem urgent to you."

.......What?

"Why didn't you tell us this is how you felt?"

....I did. SIX MONTHS AGO. And several times after!

"We want to support you no matter what."

Then why are you ignoring how I feel?

And to top it all off, the day after my breakdown she tells me that I should cut my hair like Ellen Degeneras. I like Ellen as much as the next person, but it was like nothing went through to her. How many times do I have to say "I AM NOT A WOMAN" for it to sink in?
I just don't get it. I don't know how I could make it any more blunt for them. Is this some sort of subtle transphobia? I know that this affects them just as much as it affects me, but it was like pulling teeth just to get a damn therapy session (which is July 19th, thank God).

Sorry that was so long, but this is a place to rant after all. XD
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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Cindy

Your parents are thinking you are going through 'a stage' in life. I think you need to pressure them about seeing a therapist, that is really the only way to get expert opinion. Your Mum sounds as if she is OK with you being a lesbian (even if you are or aren't) but the idea of TG is beyond her comfort zone. This is also not very surprising, try looking at it from their point of view  :laugh:. pretty confusing for them :-*

You sound quite young (and do not post your age if younger than 18), and I do not say that with any disparagement, but parents often to respond to teens as 'Yea another teen moment, he, she, it will grow out of it' .

I suggest asking to see a therapist and allow your Mum and Dad to discuss the situation between all of you.

BTW I also think from your post that  Mum and Dad are being very understanding.  Keep working through the issues.

Cindy
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Al James

I think sometimes when WE try to be calm and rational explaining things to our parents, the parents don't always get how big a deal it is to us. I'm 38 and i still have the same problem with my mum. Every time she calls me by my female name i try to correct her but because i'm not losing my temper about it it doesn't seem to be sinking in
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NDelible Gurl

Quote from: al james on June 11, 2010, 04:51:18 AM
I think sometimes when WE try to be calm and rational explaining things to our parents, the parents don't always get how big a deal it is to us. I'm 38 and i still have the same problem with my mum. Every time she calls me by my female name i try to correct her but because i'm not losing my temper about it it doesn't seem to be sinking in

I get this from my parents and siblings.. 99.9% of the time! Even after they know I'm clearly and have been for a long time- a MTF- they persist on the male identification for me. Drives me batsh*t! Excuse the explicit language but I feel strongly being referred to as a "he" or "him." Moving out seems to be the best solution so I've decided on living in the dorms for my Fall/Spring semester would be more to my liking.
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Espenoah

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Quote from: CindyJames on June 11, 2010, 04:30:41 AM
Your parents are thinking you are going through 'a stage' in life. I think you need to pressure them about seeing a therapist, that is really the only way to get expert opinion. Your Mum sounds as if she is OK with you being a lesbian (even if you are or aren't) but the idea of TG is beyond her comfort zone. This is also not very surprising, try looking at it from their point of view  :laugh:. pretty confusing for them :-*

You sound quite young (and do not post your age if younger than 18), and I do not say that with any disparagement, but parents often to respond to teens as 'Yea another teen moment, he, she, it will grow out of it' .

I suggest asking to see a therapist and allow your Mum and Dad to discuss the situation between all of you.

BTW I also think from your post that  Mum and Dad are being very understanding.  Keep working through the issues.

Cindy

Well I'm getting close...not quite there though. Which makes me even more confused, because everything else in my life my parents take very seriously, and they treat me like an adult. Then when I tell them something that's really affecting me, they're just so blah about it.

I think they're being understanding too, otherwise. I just had to post to get all of this off my chest, since it was really bugging me last night. I'll keep on pressuring them about this. I really appreciate your reply. Thank you.

Quote from: Mia B on June 11, 2010, 10:02:45 AMMoving out seems to be the best solution so I've decided on living in the dorms for my Fall/Spring semester would be more to my liking.

I think that would be good for you too. Just to get a fresh start. If you start out new with a good group of people who respect your wishes, it'll really be refreshing for you.
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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Arch

I think your folks are probably in denial. If they think it's a phase, maybe they're waiting for it to go away. If they sort of see that it's real, they don't fully accept it yet and are likely hoping you'll change your mind. So you probably have to up the ante, become more insistent, become more vocal.

I have to warn you, though. Your folks may seem positive and supportive now, but they might change. I've seen this happen a number of times before--parents who were calm and positive until they fully realized that it wasn't a phase, it was real. Then the parents and child had to go through a very uncomfortable period of anger, fear, accusations, the whole nine yards. I think most parents get through that and become allies.

This type of reaction can happen with the parents of trans people of all ages, not just the younger people. But I think it's harder for young folks like you because "You're too young to know" and you're not always taken seriously.

I've never been where you are with regard to parents, but I did have to talk about transition with my ex when he patently didn't want to hear it. It was hard. I had to psych myself up every time. But I knew it had to be done. I hope it's easier for you, but I suspect it's not.

Sending you vibes...just keep at it and try to make them see that this is real--and that it's not going away, no matter how much they would like it to.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

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Espenoah

Quote from: Arch on June 11, 2010, 02:02:24 PMSending you vibes...just keep at it and try to make them see that this is real--and that it's not going away, no matter how much they would like it to.

Thank you. I think you're probably right. I'm trying to be vocal about it, but it just doesn't seem like they hear me. But I guess I just have to be even more forward about it. I get the same way with my parents as you did with your ex. It's hard.
I hope they don't get negative like you say. That would really hurt...

Thank you so much for your response. It's nice to hear from people way more experienced than I am.
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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Arch

Quote from: Espenoah on June 11, 2010, 02:07:37 PMI hope they don't get negative like you say. That would really hurt...

If they do, you have to keep going--and keep telling yourself that they are doing it out of "love." I put the word into quotation marks because I can see that such parents want to protect their kids, but they often let their protector role and their long history of control interfere with any realization that their children are individuals with wants and needs of their own. So, from my perspective, it's a blinkered love, an incomplete love. But it's not necessarily a permanent state!

The more allies you collect, the stronger you will be to deal with whatever hurdles life throws at you.

Quote from: Espenoah on June 11, 2010, 02:07:37 PMThank you so much for your response. It's nice to hear from people way more experienced than I am.

Let's just say that I have a different experience. I have experience with coming out to a significant other, but my parents know nothing about me. I haven't seen them in a quarter century. Under pressure, I wrote to them for a few years but couldn't keep it up, so I stopped. I don't know what it's like to be young and trans--and to know I'm trans--and to have to deal with parents. But a lot of people at Susan's have that experience. I'm sure they will give you all sorts of support and useful advice.

Is there an LGBT center in your area? A PFLAG chapter? Any trans support groups? You might consider seeking them out.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Espenoah

Quote from: Arch on June 11, 2010, 02:18:50 PM
Is there an LGBT center in your area? A PFLAG chapter? Any trans support groups? You might consider seeking them out.

There is a PFLAG chapter very close to me, but I haven't had the guts or the transportation to go. It would probably be a good thing for me to start going though. I have a hard time in social situations. Maybe I could bring a few friends along to raise my confidence a bit.

And even if you haven't had the same experience, it's still helpful to me. I feel that I have a lot to learn, and hearing from different people has really helped me along with this.
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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Arch

Quote from: Espenoah on June 11, 2010, 02:31:22 PM
There is a PFLAG chapter very close to me, but I haven't had the guts or the transportation to go. It would probably be a good thing for me to start going though. I have a hard time in social situations. Maybe I could bring a few friends along to raise my confidence a bit.

Heh. Been there...I used to cross the street when I saw someone walking the other way. I was afraid they might say "hi" to me and I would have to interact with them. I suspect that you aren't quite that shy.

Taking friends along is a great idea.

I have found that taking action always makes me feel better. Even if it's just a small act. And I've found that after years of cutting myself off from other people, sometimes I can get by with a little help from my friends.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Espenoah

Oh, I do the cross the street thing! And if I'm approaching a crosswalk and someone is already there waiting for the light to change, I will pass by and cross the street somewhere else. I'm pretty socially inept when it comes to small talk.  :icon_redface:

I think I will talk to my friends soon and ask them if they wanna come with. I know a few who would probably benefit from it too.
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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Arch

Quote from: Espenoah on June 11, 2010, 02:57:30 PM
Oh, I do the cross the street thing! And if I'm approaching a crosswalk and someone is already there waiting for the light to change, I will pass by and cross the street somewhere else. I'm pretty socially inept when it comes to small talk.  :icon_redface:

Oh, dear.

Well, the good news is that practice helps. I made up my mind that I wasn't going to be a slave to my shyness anymore. I started practicing. Anytime I was in line at the grocery store or the bank, I would make some remark or other to the person next to me. I stopped automatically crossing the street. I forced myself to say "hello" to strangers. Eventually, I improved. Maybe you can, too.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Espenoah

I guess I have a lot to work on. Those are some good tips. I'll have to use them. Thanks. <3
I especially hate my shyness, because once I get to know someone I'm waaaay outgoing. It's just the "getting to know you" stage I have trouble in.
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." -Harvey Milk
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Arch

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Cindy

Quote from: Espenoah on June 11, 2010, 03:07:28 PM
I guess I have a lot to work on. Those are some good tips. I'll have to use them. Thanks. <3
I especially hate my shyness, because once I get to know someone I'm waaaay outgoing. It's just the "getting to know you" stage I have trouble in.

This BTW is very common among all people. That's why people tend to congregate to the: non-shy open happy talking your leg off sell you a set of steak knives want a drink see my new car want to have sex god you're gorgeous can you loan me some money. Type of people.

Also TG people as a 'group' have problems in socializing. Try not to fret it. Take every day as it comes and enjoy them as much as possible. Remember YOU can make decisions, and think through them. If you can keep your family on side, but as Arch said it doesn't always happen. In the end it is your life. As far as I know you get one. Live It.

Hugs

Cindy
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tekla

Also TG people as a 'group' have problems in socializing.

Funny since most drag queens have a black belt in being social.
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