I seriously have sympathy for you guys in the voice area.

[zombiesarepeaceful]

So I'm butting in here for a hot minute.

I never could really relate to mtfs when it came to voice. I couldn't appreciate how hard it is to make your voice sound high and feminine. Since I started T mine has dropped a ton and just yesterday when I tried to squeak as a joke, I couldn't. My voice cut out. Lol. So I have an appreciation for how hard you guys have to try. I consciously deepened my voice pre-T but that seems like nothing compared to trying to do the opposite.

[April Dawne]

Thank you  It really is hard to do, especially without some sort of "vocal coach" which costs money. Funny thing is, I can sing in the female register much more easily without straining than I can speak.  I hate it, because I think visually I can get by pretty decent for now, but as soon as I open my mouth...  not so much!

[Jillary Woolen Xσx]

Yeah it's Pretty Rough :/

Some days i have complete control of my voice and its with out a doubt feminine,
Others its hopeless and frustrating

I just wish i Had a husky voice like Demi Moore or Kathleen Turner (I love Kathleen Turners Voice)
cause it would be much easier to maintain

[pebbles]

Umm... Congratulations on your personal development.

Ugh I'm sorry I know your just trying to be nice and I don't mean to angle this frustration at you but I really don't need an FTM to tell me how much easier they have it and how much more support there hormones give compared to ours.
Because I'm acutely aware of how much better you have it. When i'm cringing in pain on the table during my 37th hour of electrolysis Or still plucking deep wiry hairs out of my flat boyish chest. Or my throat is red raw from talking in my female voice all day. Or how my face still isn't feminine after half a year and I'm researching Facial feminisation surgery hoping one day in a few years time maybe I might be passable.

And whats more is I got off pretty frickin easy, most MTF's got it x10 harder than me. I know I have to learn to be stronger and not let myself get so twisted resentful and envious but ya... I look at you boys and I damn well know.

[Jillary Woolen Xσx]

lol for what its worth Zombiesarepeaceful, I'm not Insulted
and I Appreciate your realization of our struggle.
Too Little does a Trans-brother acknowledge a Trans-Sister's struggle and Vis Verca.
We are In This Together.

and all in all no Transition especially either FTM or MTF is easy or easier than the other.
Otherwise it wouldn't be a Transition at all.

[rejennyrated]

and all in all no Transition especially either FTM or MTF is easy or easier than the other.
Otherwise it wouldn't be a Transition at all.

Having tried wearing a binder once or twice when I was out having fun with some drag kings I do tend to agree.

And yes I know that my, at the time undetected, IS condition probably meant that I have never experienced the horror of the voice or body hair thing fully either... but even being IS comes with its associated set of peculiar difficulties.

So actually I think we all just have to do the best we can, and I'm sure that doesn't mean we can't appreciate the pain of others and perhaps allow them to express it a little...

[Jillary Woolen Xσx]

Having tried wearing a binder once or twice when I was out having fun with some drag kings I do tend to agree.

And yes I know that my, at the time undetected, IS condition probably meant that I have never experienced the horror of the voice or body hair thing fully either... but even being IS comes with its associated set of peculiar difficulties.

So actually I think we all just have to do the best we can.

Exactly Ms. Wise Jenny
Struggle is Struggle
and I couldn't even Imagine some of the Hardship You've had to Endure
But That's all about Transitioning and no one can take that from you or replicate it 

[Nero]

I have sympathy for you girls in the beard area. Darned stuff grows back so fast! It's annoying as a guy, I can't imagine how I'd put up with it if I didn't want it there.

[xAndrewx]

Hey I totally have sympathy. My good friend Katherine is in transition as well and we often share "war" stories about what's been tough out of our week. She tells me about how she didn't pass due to her "facial annoyance" coming in too quick and I tell her about how I didn't pass due to a lack of "facial annoyance". I've found that no matter what you're transitioning to become it's rough and hopefully we can all be happy for each other I guess I look at it as each side has trouble. I recently read up on ffs and I am sorry that I cannot trade, I'm sure we all are. This isn't meant to offend anyone, just my opinion.

[April Dawne]

YES! The facial hair is SUCH a pain in the neck! Shaving twice just to go out, having to wear layers of makeup that can end up looking horrid in just a few hours, then having the noticeable stubble coming back before you even go home... It's enough to make me want to stay locked in my house. I haven't yet perfected beard cover, so it has been hit-or-miss.

[Vanessa_yhvh]

Last night I detransitioned to make a video directed at people I know IRL who, it turns out, watch my channel (nope, not weird at all..... ).

I put on a man's dress shirt with my makeup off, choked down the dysphoria with liberal application of aged tequila, and attempted to use the voice I hadn't used in months.

The sound that came out wasn't quite toad-like, but astonished me none the less. Turns out you lose it!

[Janet_Girl]

.... Turns out you lose it!

Thank the gods.  I can get it back but I have to be really tired, or I have to think about it.

[Dinky_Di]

lol for what its worth Zombiesarepeaceful, I'm not Insulted
and I Appreciate your realization of our struggle.
Too Little does a Trans-brother acknowledge a Trans-Sister's struggle and Vis Verca.
We are In This Together.

and all in all no Transition especially either FTM or MTF is easy or easier than the other.
Otherwise it wouldn't be a Transition at all.

You are right transition is not easy whether MtF or FtM .  Both carry there own issues.  I once thought that MtF's had it harder but since becoming friends with a number of FtM's I realised this was incorrect.

So I'm butting in here for a hot minute.

I never could really relate to mtfs when it came to voice. I couldn't appreciate how hard it is to make your voice sound high and feminine. Since I started T mine has dropped a ton and just yesterday when I tried to squeak as a joke, I couldn't. My voice cut out. Lol. So I have an appreciation for how hard you guys have to try. I consciously deepened my voice pre-T but that seems like nothing compared to trying to do the opposite.

Yep it is hard, I personally have found it the hardest part of the whole transition.   Still I'm getting there, slowwwly.

[Ghost03]

I think we both do have it hard. I agree that T does give us great results but don't forget MTF have amazing results for bottom surgery where as ours are that bad that I'm 99% sure I won't get surgery down there.

[Rock_chick]

Turns out you lose it!

Yes...mine is completely different compared to 6 months ago...just ask Jenny, she's heard the before and after.

[Hannah]

I think we both do have it hard. I agree that T does give us great results but don't forget MTF have amazing results for bottom surgery where as ours are that bad...

My thoughts as well.

The sound that came out wasn't quite toad-like, but astonished me none the less. Turns out you lose it!

That's good to know. I'm always afraid of what I might sound like talking in my sleep, or if surprised. I wouldn't want the devil's voice to come back out. 

[Fata Morgana]

When I visited the phoniatrist at the beginning of my HRT he told me that I wouldn't need voice therapy or surgeries because my voice was naturally feminine. Passably feminine in his opinion and yes I haven't had a problem with my voice. 

I was also told that my Adam's apple should be practically unnoticeable so no need to cut it up either.

It is such a shame that some people are having such a struggle with their voice. FTM transitioners are lucky in that respect. Our (MTF) voice doesn't change with hormones.

[Akashiya Moka]

So I'm butting in here for a hot minute.

I never could really relate to mtfs when it came to voice. I couldn't appreciate how hard it is to make your voice sound high and feminine. Since I started T mine has dropped a ton and just yesterday when I tried to squeak as a joke, I couldn't. My voice cut out. Lol. So I have an appreciation for how hard you guys have to try. I consciously deepened my voice pre-T but that seems like nothing compared to trying to do the opposite.

~I like it when you guys butt in; you say some of the nicest things...  You really know how to make us girls feel better.

When I visited the phoniatrist at the beginning of my HRT he told me that I wouldn't need voice therapy or surgeries because my voice was naturally feminine. Passably feminine in his opinion and yes I haven't had a problem with my voice. 

I was also told that my Adam's apple should be practically unnoticeable so no need to cut it up either.

It is such a shame that some people are having such a struggle with their voice. FTM transitioners are lucky in that respect. Our (MTF) voice doesn't change with hormones.

Lucky! I don't have much of an Adam's apple, either (still getting the surgery, though) ...But my voice apparently sounds like a little boy's ( I was just called a gay little boy, called a trysexual, and told to "go eat a d***" on xbl a few hours ago), but at least one guy couldn't tell if I was a girl or boy & happily decided I was the former (he's nice btw).

[Colleen Ireland]

I think we both do have it hard. I agree that T does give us great results but don't forget MTF have amazing results for bottom surgery where as ours are that bad that I'm 99% sure I won't get surgery down there.

Yes, I had been wondering about that, but didn't know where/how to ask... surely it's a lot easier to construct a functional neovagina than a functional neopenis?  I would think that right there would be the ultimate distress... (if I could give you mine, I would, in a heartbeat!)

[Fata Morgana]

Lucky! I don't have much of an Adam's apple, either (still getting the surgery, though) ...But my voice apparently sounds like a little boy's ( I was just called a gay little boy, called a trysexual, and told to "go eat a d***" on xbl a few hours ago), but at least one guy couldn't tell if I was a girl or boy & happily decided I was the former (he's nice btw).

Just don't let any of the hurtful things some people might say get to you. We all gotta grow thick skins.