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Started by lilacwoman, August 11, 2010, 05:18:21 AM

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lilacwoman

MtFs are well known for blocking all possibility of seeking help for being TS for many years until we reach crisis point and during the block years we deliberately refuse to look for info on how to transition as we look in the mirror and see a guy and think that no way will anyone believe us if we say we believe we really are female inside.
So how does this work with FtMs?
how old are you now and how long have you actively been seeking info or researching why you feel the way you do?
If you don't want to give your ages just give the seeking time as a percentage of your age - like age 30, seeking info/help 10 = 33%.
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Quicksand

I found out about the possibility of being transgender and started researching when I was 13.  I started living full time as male when I was 18, started hormones when I was 19, will be getting surgery in a few months as a 20 year old.

It does sometimes seem to me that FTMs online are younger.  On here we seem to have a decent-sized group under the age of 18.  Perhaps it has something to do with how the genders mature--being viewed sexually by men is uncomfortable enough for young women as it is, add in the FTM element and it's a recipe for disaster.  Likewise, young women are sometimes expected to be more dependent on men, and all that sexist BS--there are just a lot of expectations of women that can make it very difficult to remain in that gender role for a long time.

Or at least that's how it was for me!  I'll  be interested to hear others' opinions, boh FTM and MTF.
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Silver

6-7% by my calculations. Joining this site was pretty much at the beginning of all of this searching. Male expectations must be just as stressful for MTFs if not more so. Hmm, maybe it's because as female bodies mature, people's responses to them change drastically unlike males, who seem to ease more gradually into the "man" role than female do into the "woman" role which is rudely thrust upon them at puberty (like, 9-16 range right?)
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sneakersjay

I think a lot of it has to do with the stigma attached to any male-bodied person being perceived by others as being feminine and the stigma fo male-bodied people being percecived as gay.  The whole sissy thing.  In some areas of the country more than others.

I think a lot of gay men and mtfs likely have had a negative experience early in life when they showed a more feminine side, either by playing dress up or playing with dolls and the like, and realized that family/friends/society thought their actions were NOT GOOD and they learned to hide their true feelings and deny it.

The pressure to be strong manly masculine men is overwhelming by our society.  Wimpy, limp-wristed, feminine men are made to be jokes.

OTOH, a girl who is athletic, who is tomboyish, is not  made to feel inferior at all.  In fact, in some families it is encouraged.  I know my own dad was really encouraging my sister who was a jock, esp. since my brother leaned more towards nerdiness and not athletics.

Girls are allowed to wear men's clothing and look masculine without ridicule.   And girls are less likely to get beat up for being a tomboy.

That's my personal take.  But I didn't transition until I was 47, partly because I had no idea that what I'd always felt (that I was a guy, not a girl) meant that I was a transsexual, and that I could transition.  I'd never heard of FTMs, only MTFs.  And what I'd heard about MTFs wasn't pretty (neither was it accurate).

Jay


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Papillon

Well, I am atypical of the FtMs who post on here as I am in my forties and have only recently started truly to acknowldge my situation and believe that there is something I can do about it.  Over the last year, I guess.  Why so late?  Lots of reasons, I guess. 

As a child I didn't know that there was such thing as transsexualism.  I was just a slightly extreme tomboy.  In adolescence, when the ->-bleeped-<- really hit the fan, I was also unaware that this was something that others went through and that there steps that could be taken.  I just kept quiet about it and bound my breasts and restricted eating without really thinking about why I was doing this.  If I knew then what I know now and had the amount of courage I have now, I would almost certainly have transitioned in my teens. 

Then real life, with career, family and other mundane responsibilities kicked in, so there was less reason to rock the boat and more reason to just get on with it.  So, I tried very hard to not think about any of it, but had to avoid certain situations and topics of conversation in order to do that and stay happy.

So it has taken this long for me to reach a point in my life at which I can afford to open Pandora's box and look at what is inside.  This has some negative consequences (so much would change for the worst now if I medically-transitioned, so I am not going to for the foreseeable future), but also many advantages.  I am established in my career so any changes made now are easier to absorb than if I had done it as I was trying to find work or build a professional reputation.  I have gained in confidence, self-acceptance and trust as I have got older and now have a strong network of friends who have been providing invaluable support.  I am not sure I could have leaned on my friends in this way as a young person. And, most importantly, I have two, wonderful daughters.  If I had gone the whol hog in adolescence, I would never have been able to experience the miracle of carrying and givng birth to my girls.

So, I don't know if muy reasons for taking so long to take action are similar to the older MtFs.  It would be interesting to know.
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Clay

well, basiacally i could live as dude-me since i was veeery young (old enough to tell people that certain clothing-thingies do suck, that is)... it's not that big of a problem, since girls dressing/behaving boyish don't get fussed about at all , i guess. most people think i'm just geeky and quirky, but thats's ok with me, as long as they don't bother me. in my surrounding most people don't give a damn about gender anyways, hence the psychological strain is nearly non-existant (socially, of course).
so, i never truly thought about the whole thing, only lately i became more uncomfortable with my appearance (namely: chest  ???) and decided to take some trips into my subconscious... well, i still think of most of my problems as more cosmetic ones.... lets me live relatively relaxed with an outlook of more comfyness.
of course i know that most of my psychological problems resolve from the whole issue, but i'm also good in ignoring and shelving things.
forgot, where i was going, maybe i'll add something later ::)
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Tad

Hmmm lessee I pretty much cross dressed from the age of 5 or 6. Somewhere around 8 or 9 I learned about the possibility of surgeries.. and though I didn't have much resources to research it.. it was on the news/tv from time to time and I learned all I could from there. This continued on til I was 18. At that point social pressures caused me to go into denial mode.. and I lived that way for.. 4ish years, deep in denial. I guess just this past year I've really done the hard research, going to trans groups and talking to people and such.. 22 now. 
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James42

A lot of it probably is the idea that at young ages, its not a big deal for bio-girls to dress boyish and play with boy toys, be a tomboy, as it would be for bio-boys to wear dresses and play with dolls (to most people). So some might say they started at a young age. I personally fell under the "tomboy" category untill I was about 17 and found out the meaning of transgender, and started researching. I would also note that a lot of us are younger because of the fact that more resources on the topic and the advancement/greater availability of the internet is more recent (if that makes sense lol)
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zombiesarepeaceful

I always knew I was a boy. I just didn't find info on it til I was about 15. And I did get to a point where it was either suicide or transition. And for the first 4 years of transition til I got on T I wondered how I passed. I didn't think I passed til I got on T. I'm 20 now. I'd guess I spent the last 5 years of my life researching stuff. I never did go through a stage of refusing that I was a boy....I only refused what other people said, that "something was wrong with me and I was a sick person".
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jmaxley

I first stumbled across an FTM site when I was 25 and I realized, "Hey, that's me!"  I don't know why I didn't realize I had gender issues sooner.  I'm now in my early thirties and starting to try to transition.  I had gallbladder surgery done last year and it brought all the gender dysphoria back and then some, I was quite suicidal for a while.  I tried being really girly, tried to make myself like it and just couldn't, so last October I started looking into what it would take to transition and started looking up natural ways because I figured it would take me awhile to get on T.  In January, I told someone for the first time about my gender issues, my family doc.  In February and March I told my pdoc and therapist.  I started dressing exclusively as male around April; I also got my hair cut really really short for the first time.  In May, I told my family about what was going on.  In June, I started asking friends and acquaintances to call me by my male name.  I don't know when I'll be able to get on T though, I don't have the money to see the endo.  I'm going to try asking my family doctor again in a couple of months when I go in for bloodwork.
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insideontheoutside

I'm going to echo what a couple others have already said - it seems general society accepts "tomboys" a lot more than it accepts boys who want to dress or act like girls. One of the few prejudices put onto men that I have experienced is the ignorant and hurtful way any male that's even slightly effeminate gets treated. I can only imagine what it's like being a girl trapped in a guy's body.

As far as my own story, I posted a big long diatribe in a new thread "thoughts and experiences" yesterday that kinda explained what I've gone through. I'm in my 30s as well and it was refreshing to find people of all ages here at susans!
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notyouraverageguy

Quote from: lilacwoman on August 11, 2010, 05:18:21 AM
So how does this work with FtMs?
how old are you now and how long have you actively been seeking info or researching why you feel the way you do?
If you don't want to give your ages just give the seeking time as a percentage of your age - like age 30, seeking info/help 10 = 33%.
Well it hasn't really been the same for me.
Although I haven't seeked any real professional help yet, I have looked into it and plan on seeing a gender therapist.
Money is what really holds me back.
I first found out about transgenders a few years back on tv. But never really did anything about it because I was living in denial. You know the whole being what they want you to be to keep everyone happy(parents/family).
But once I was able to make my own decisions and be my own person I thought hey that seems like me.
I've been actively researching for a couple of years already, still not sure about everything.
I guess its a 10% for me.
Gender expression is NOT gender identity.

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lilacwoman

Quote from: Papillon on August 11, 2010, 07:07:46 AM
So, I tried very hard to not think about any of it, but had to avoid certain situations and topics of conversation in order to do that and stay happy.
So, I don't know if my reasons for taking so long to take action are similar to the older MtFs.  It would be interesting to know.
That avoiding situations and topics of conversation is the closet we put ourselves in.  I'd walk down the street and passing the dress/handbag shops woudl turn away so as not to show the slightest interest.
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lilacwoman

my story:  quite feminine as child but by 7/8 I knew I had to hide all feminine interests.  At 14 seriously depressed I asked doctor for help but got zero.  so spent many years in denial of being TS but lived as CD all spare time/weekends.  finally got on the internet and found I was typical TS.
When I saw surgeon for srs a few weeks ago and told him that he just smiled and said that it was a very common life story and he'd be happy to do my srs.

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Dylan Michael

13 soo i've been like researching less than a year.

Nathan.

I'm 18 almost 19 right now and might be able to start T soon. I realised I was trans about this time last year and have been researching since then. Before I realised I didn't know of trans men only trans woman and I just thought they were crossdressers so I didn't think being trans explained how I felt.
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Crypt77

I knew that I was different since I was really young, wanting to dress and look like a guy and all. But the whole idea of being transsexual never popped into my head until I was around 16-18. Around the time I started college I began to look into it more and from there confirmed that I was a transsexual.

But it seems like most FTM start at the beginning of their teenage years or later.
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Alessandro

Quote from: Quicksand on August 11, 2010, 05:30:56 AM
Perhaps it has something to do with how the genders mature--being viewed sexually by men is uncomfortable enough for young women as it is, add in the FTM element and it's a recipe for disaster.  Likewise, young women are sometimes expected to be more dependent on men, and all that sexist BS--there are just a lot of expectations of women that can make it very difficult to remain in that gender role for a long time.

This, exactly this for me.  I tried very hard to be in that role after trying to ignore it all though my teenage years.  I had trans feelings since I was about 16 but didn't know what they were.  I only came out as trans last year when I was 23 and had exhausted all other options.  Now I am waiting for treatment.
"You can't look where you're going if you don't know where you're going"
-Labyrinth
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Vancha

I definitely think most girls in our society are allowed more freedom of expression, but sometimes that is constrained by religion.  I myself grew up in a secular family and with very little pressure to conform, although of course there were pressures, mostly from my mother.  I always disliked female things from a very early age, and always identified with the men in my life.  I can't remember a time that I did not; I just naturally looked up to my father, my uncles.  I did try to act normal for a period of my life, probably from age 6-10, but it was with much struggle.  I don't remember much, if any, happiness during that time of my life.  It was when I was most anxious.

After that time, when I became a happier person in some ways, I started to present differently.  More masculine, yes, but for the most part just trying to conceal my changing body.  I was very overtly uncomfortable and awkward.  Puberty obviously worsened that exponentially.  While there were a few setbacks, I mostly began to present more masculinely as time went on.  Along with that, I was developing a male alias online and identifying with male characters in literature-- finding my footing, you could say.  When I was 13, I pretty much viewed myself as a male, but often struggled with my mother's attempt to make me assimilate.  She was merely confused and trying to help, I see in hindsight, but I often felt under attack.  At 16, I was going through an identity crisis and couldn't continue school.

I'm 18 and I started T exactly one month ago.  I wish I'd done it even earlier, because already I have sacrificed a lot for it.  My education is still incomplete; I am still uncomfortable with the idea of continuing it because of my increasing paranoia and discomfort with people.

Yes, it does seem there is an upsurge in young FTMs and I believe that may be caused by the greater acceptance of masculine women.  I was tolerated, in a sense... I certainly wasn't bullied because I scared the crap out of some kids.  I was tolerated as a freak, and in a sense, I think being so nonconformist helped rather than hindered me in this respect... The focus was not on my gender or sexuality, but instead on how eccentric I was on the whole.  Wearing male clothes was pretty much an afterthought if I wore a cape as well...

On the other hand, it may come down to an individual's sensitivity.  It has been shown that individuals in identical environments will grow differently based in part in genetic makeup and individuality... I believe myself to be a little too sensitive.  I naturally have a very hard time conforming and coping.  I would be a goner without transition.
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Fencesitter

It took me until I was in my beginning 30ies to start transition.

I knew what I was was called transsexual since I stumbled upon an article about an MTF at age 14, but I did not tell anyone and thought I might outgrow it.

In my early 20ies, I told a couple of friends I was trans. But I did not know that FtM transition was possible until I was in my mid 20ies. Then I still delayed it. I also had a mental illness which can be easily mistaken for TS and can even mimic all (!) of the TS symtoms in some cases. On the other hand, if you're really TS, the dysphoria worsens the other condition a lot. There's almost no medical reports or data on this topic, very few cases who had both (or were thought to have both), and it's almost impossible if at all to tell whether the TS is real or not in these cases. The therapist where I went for the other condition had even strongly suggested to me to go see a gender councellor as he thought the TS was real and aggravated my mental state, but I refused as it seemed too risky and early for me to go the path or even think about transitioning.

So I just went on curing the mental illness as well as I could while living my life. After a couple of years, my state improved a lot, and it became more and more obvious that I was genuinely transsexual. Then I still took some time to think it over, about 2 years, plus I needed first to get enough inner strength to bear the transition, as I was still mentally unstable.

So yes, I am not an early transitioner, but that's not because I was afraid of other people's reactions or suppressed the feelings or lied at myself or was ashamed. There was a very good other reason for the delay.
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