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I am so angry at the mental health system

Started by Jeatyn, October 19, 2010, 12:57:15 PM

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Jeatyn

My lawyer says it's a good thing that it's going to court, they're not working on solid facts and just wanting me to panic and start signing things. Which obviously I'm not going to do.
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SnailPace

Aww, that's awesome then!  Does your lawyer have a good case set up for you?

Also: How are you feeling physically? Your due date must be getting close!
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miniangel

I haven't been reading much lately and have only just caught up with your story, Jeatyn. It sickens me to read what is happening. I wish I could do something helpful other than just sending my support to you. When you get to court, keep calm and in control. Look the part of the perfect parent. It may not help but it certainly won't harm your case.
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Arch

Quote from: Jeatyn on December 16, 2010, 05:07:45 PM
My lawyer says it's a good thing that it's going to court, they're not working on solid facts and just wanting me to panic and start signing things. Which obviously I'm not going to do.

Sounds good--hang in there, buddy!
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jmaxley

Hope it works out for you, man.  Wish there was something I could do to help.
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Al James

Don't know if this is too little too late but on yesterdays daily mail web page is a story of an east anglia couple who went to spain to avoid having their second child taken off them. Their first had been removed because of "possible future emotional damage" The youngest was put into a spanish orphonage after being removed by the spanish social workers but the couple have now passed the spanish psychological tests with flying colours been given their son back and are now sueing suffolk social services. Also i think it said another 50 families that have had their children removed because of possibe emotional damage in the future are now suing the authorities. So there is definitely a precedent being set and i think most social services would now be treading very carefully
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Jeatyn

I read a story the other day about social services removing a baby from the hospital the second it was born before the paperwork was done and the mother sued for 50 grand compensation.

It's completely ridiculous, they go from one extreme to another. One year the media is filled with stories about them ignoring an obvious child abuse case and the kid dying. Then the next it's filled with people losing their kids for no justified reason. The system clearly needs a massive overhaul.

As for how I physically feel....not too bad considering I'm about to pop :D I'm just paranoid my waters are going to break on a bus or something
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Astarielle

It's times like this that make me shake my head. I spend a lot of time around people who earnestly need help, and have the resources to get it. But one of the common excuses I hear is "They don't care about me", and I struggle to reassure them that they do care, which is why they're there.

But such a glaring oversight just astounds me. And it scares and saddens me that if this had been any issue besides GID, they would have been there for you much sooner.
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Sarah B

Hi Jeatyn

You mentioned this little piece of information:

Quote from: Jeatyn on December 16, 2010, 05:07:45 PM
My lawyer says it's a good thing that it's going to court, they're not working on solid facts and just wanting me to panic and start signing things. Which obviously I'm not going to do.

Definitely, do not sign anything with them.  Because as you know personally, you have not done anything wrong and as a result of their investigation, evaluation and prejudice of some individuals in your case.   They have caused you emotional stress, pain and suffering and last but not least, social services have more than likely infringed upon your human rights namely Article 8 - Privacy and Article 14 - Discrimination.  So take them to court, so that cases like yours never happen again.

I know you will be a wonderful father, so be strong, keep your head up high and don't let anybody get to you, take care and all the best for the future.

My kindest regards
Sarah B
Be who you want to be.
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Feb 1989 Living my life as Sarah.
Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.
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Jeatyn

Got a nice scare tactic phone call this morning.

They're trying to get me to agree to go in to a surveillance unit in some random city miles away for 3 months while they give me psychological evaluation and blah blah. Apparently this is the "only way" I can stay with my daughter. If I do not agree, they're going to remove her, as already been threatened.....and this is the best part....give her to the birth father.

They were asking me for contact details - which I don't even have - to which they responded that they would have to "trace him via GP's records and school data"

Ok sure, good luck with that, who are they the CIA?
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spacial

Quote from: Jeatyn on December 21, 2010, 07:54:38 AM
and this is the best part....give her to the birth father.

Now they are talking crap. They can't give the care of a abay to anyone without a full assessment. And since the father, (presumably), hasn't expressed any interest, that puts him out of the frame anyway.

But, you absolutely must make full notes of this now. These notes must say you got a phone call, what time, deascribing the tone of voice and manner, including the sex of the speaker. You must also try to remember, verbatum quotes and any contact or reference details thay may have given you.

This is extremely important. These will constitute contemporanius notes, which are admissable in court.

I also suggst you phone your solicitor's office and leave a message to this effect on his machine
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Victor

Certainly a scare tactic, they cannot give the child to someone who does not want them, if they are aware that the father has stated that they do not want the child then they are basically telling you that they are willing to give your child to a household where they are unwanted and thus more likely to receive inadequate care. If they get you to go to this surveillance unit then they will be trapping you, another method for them to get between you and your child, also a method for them to try to wear you down and avoid you being able to reach out to others, them pulling this seems to equate to panic mode. Because if they can use those psychological evaluations to discredit you, then the public will pay not mind to your story and discard the facts as a grudge or ramblings of someone who is unstable when, honestly, you seem pretty damned stable to me and from reading this thread seem like someone who'd be a great dad, it says a lot with you still being determined to keep and care for your child even after being run through this mill.

All I can suggest is keeping written, and when possible audio/video record, I don't know if you have a voice recorder or camcorder, but by your social worker entering your home aware that you wish to record the visit, he/she is consenting to all interactions being recorded, if they refuse to allow you to record then you refuse to let them into your home, that is your private property, you have every right to record within your home, and if they try to refuse that then they are proving they have something to hide. They only need to be informed that entering the premises means they are consenting to being recorded, a simple sign on your door would suffice as a warning. If they're trying this hard then they have themselves set on taking your child, there may be no amount of behaving and jumping through their loops that will sway them from it, but the court can, but you have to have evidence otherwise it'll be your word against theirs, and a social worker's word is normally taken a bit more highly than that of the person they're hounding unless there's solid evidence to prove otherwise. This also includes saving messages they leave on your voice mail, letters they have sent you, all that, it's all evidence. I'm not a lawyer or anything but I've tangled with social services before, thought this was in the US, still, those are the things that saved my skin, I'm suggesting them because, maybe they'll help you.

I hope whichever path you takes works, and I hope they don't manage to take your little one from you, as someone who has two children they had to give up I know the pain of not seeing your little one every day, of not knowing if they're alright or not, I wouldn't wish that pain on anyone who had the potential to be a good parent, be they mother, father, either. I wish you the best in this, reading this thread you seem to love your child even though you've not yet met them, and that's what a good parent does, that's how a good parent feels, that shows you're be, not a good dad, but a great dad. I hope that the courts see that, for your sake and the sake of the child you're having.

That came out a lot longer than I expected, my apologies.
Anything worth doing is going to be a challenge, after all, how can you feel proud of something that's just handed to you without some effort?
If I wanted the easy route I'd stick to being miserable, but that's just not my style.
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Jeatyn

Since child protection was brought up I've been keeping a written log each time someone calls or pops by. I would have liked to record it but I don't have the equipment.

I contacted my lawyer to let him know what they're proposing and shockingly he's told me to go for it =/ I'm really confused, he's been telling me to fight this whole time and now when they come up with the most extreme option he tells me to agree to it?

I'm not going to, this is the kind of place where they send recovering heroine addicts and people like that to help them integrate in to normal living with their child.

If I agree to go, I am basically agreeing with the fact that I'm unstable and require serious help.
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cynthialee

and if you dont go they take away your baby

harsh choice
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Jeatyn

oh this gets better and better

they contacted the father, told him everything

he's going to be in court with me now, fighting for custody

*headesk*
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Janet_Girl

He wanted nothing to do with the baby and now he does because you are Trans.  Foul.  They had no business outing you.
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tekla

Ok sure, good luck with that, who are they the CIA?

they contacted the father


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LordKAT

The birth father does have a right to know the status of his child. It should have been expected that they would contact him if they have any plans of taking the child since he is next in line to have custody and he does have legal rights. It has noting to do with 'outing' anyone. If he doesn't know by now that Jeatyn is a biological girl, he is totally out of his head. If you think he won't know of Jeatyn's transition when he has equal legal rights to the child you are Wrong, no one was outed exactly.

It sucks but look at it from the other parents point of view. If it were your kid, you would want to be informed of social services actions regarding your child.

As to the part about not giving the baby to anyone without an assessment, they are attempting to do just that, give Jeatyn an assessment before giving her the baby. You may complain about that but then you have to complain about the same with the birth father, and the argument will go that if Jeatyn don't need one then neither does he.

This surveillance unit may be the only way to prove your point although it can also go against you, especially since they are looking for specific behaviors and will not tell you what they are looking for. Psychology for ya.

I feel for you, Jeatyn, but other than leaving before it got to this point, I see no out for you. If you want to know your kid at all, you end up having to play the game.
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Jeatyn

Tell me about it Tekla, how they managed that I have no idea. Scary really

The father knew I was trans and stuff, but now he has been told all this rubbish about how crazy I am and how I'm an alcoholic and blah blah

It bugs the crap out of me that he is being regarded as the best place to place her should I lose. I have sisters willing to take her, who are actual functioning adults. Not silly kids in uni who accidentally knocked someone up and then fled the scene.
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xAndrewx

I'm sorry Jeatyn :( Exactly like the others said, it's a game to them now. I know the father didn't have any interest before but do you think he really does now? I mean... I hate to say it, but if he really does do you think he would work out joint custody with you?

I can't begin to imagine how hard this is for you but maybe if he would do that it would be better than them taking you and the baby away to be put under surveillance. Obviously they aren't playing fair, that's the only reason I would suggest it. This stress really isn't good for you. Nothing more I can say than I'm sorry and I really hope things work out for both of you. Do you think he believes what they told him?