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Started by dtsalkire, December 21, 2006, 09:14:58 AM

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dtsalkire

My son is 14 and I am new here. I want to understand how he is feeling so I can help support him with his situation. I am trying to learn what I can so we can get thru this together.

He has as long as I can remember cross dressed. It started out when he was very young. I remember we were shopping for a bathing suit for him and he kept insisting on a girl's suit he was probably 4 or 5 years old at this point.  He would go into my closet and play with my clothes which I allowed. He would lock the door because I feel he felt it was wrong but I would just let him play dress up and not make a big deal out of it. I had thought he had grown out of it but apparently he has not.  He lives with his father and step mother but I see him very often.  I have spoken to his step mother and both she and I are trying to understand what he is going thru. He has never made any remarks to me about wanting to be a girl. 

I will explain the most recent episode. It is graphic so please do not read on if you are offended. I just want to be able to explain and understand so I can support him:

I left the other night to go xmas shopping and my BF was home with my son. BF left for 20 minutes and when he got back son was naked wrapped in a blanket and my (sorry graphic part) dildo was lying on the floor. My son ran and locked himself in the bathroom and BF called me to come home to handle the situation. I told my son to finish his bath and come out. He did and we went outside and talked. I explained it was very normal to masturbate but those things are done in private. I went inside and checked his back pack and a lot of my undies, bras and clothes were in there. I could see where he had worn my t backs and then put them in his back pack. He also had a vibrator hid in there. I also found a purse that had tampons and pads in it. When I pulled the purse out he said he got it from school and it was his. I just took the tampons and pads out and put them away and put the purse back in his back pack.  I could tell he was embarrassed and I tried not to make a big deal out of it. His embarrassment turned into anger and he made a comment that he couldn't tell anyone what he was feeling. I took him for a walk and told him no matter what I love him and understand. I did ask if he was gay and he said he was not.

I spoke to his step mom the following day and she said she knew about the purse and that he had been stealing her bras and undies for quite some time.  She mentioned once his dad pulled on his shorts and her t back strap popped out.  I told her that he had tampons and pads and she said that she had also found them in the purse and pulled all of that out but let him keep the purse. Well he had been to my daughters and the brand of pads is what she uses so he must have stolen them from her.

I guess what I am asking here is how can I help my son. I can tell he is distressed over this.

Thank you for your advice

A concerned mother
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Bob

Howdy Mom !
Yes it sounds like you have a sort of a problem there, and I sujest you and Him get to counceling as soon as possable...
the problem as I see it is you are not comunicateing.... you are reacting...
though your reactions are favorable it is not enough... you need to know what is going on inside that head of his...
its possable that the hormones of the teens are giveing him a hard run... but its also possable that he is truly a Transexual, meaning a male with a female brain.
.... so what ever the case, I think seeing a Sex theropest/transgender theropest is of upmost importance to you and Him.

You notice I said YOU and HIM go to counceling ? that is important ! because you need to understand what is going on before you can help.

I seriously doubt its a Phase he is going through... as parents like to chock these things off too.... because of his past and the bathing sute thing.  so ignoreing it will just make things worse....  Seek counceling and do it now, you will be glad you did !
hog tie him if you have to ... its that serious !
...
and the next time he mentions no one can understand what I feel say " Your right ! because you arn't telling me how you feel, how can I tell ? "
you must open up comunication... not for control of your child, but for understanding.
its a tough subject and a hard one to discuss freely, but start getting used to it.

Just from what You posted I'ed say Your Kid is truly a TS ,  My Kid is a TS and had less outward signs than that. so I think the chances are very good that is what you have there.
....but the only way you'll ever know is to comunicate.   as you have found out takeing away the things changes nothing.... its not a disciplin problem  its a thinking problem.
....
hope that helps
....
Bob.......

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beth

Hello,

               You sound like a great mom.  I think your first step should be to let your son know that it is OK for him to be the way he is. If he feels you accept the way he is, then he will feel more comfortable talking about it. His/her fear is to reveal his/her feelings and have someone disapprove, ridicule or misunderstand. Promise not to reveal what you hear to anyone without permission and keep that promise no matter what. Whatever he/she is, let him/her know she is not alone, that there are many others the same age who feel the same.  Get your son to go to a therapist that has experience in gender issues.  The wrong therapist can do more harm than good.  Treat him/her as an adult
and respect their privacy.  This part of your sons life is the most important in his/her eyes. Treating this the right way will go a long way to allowing him/her to be happy and sucessful in all other phases of life. This isn't a phase, to your son it is all consuming and must be handled correctly. You certainly have started correctly in my opinion.  I wish you the very best.


beth
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cindianna_jones

dtsalkire,

You are a very brave mother indeed.  There are very few in the world who are so willing to try to understand a problem such as this in their child.  There has been some excellent advice on therapy so I shall not repeat that.

You did ask about what he is feeling... and I will address that part of your question.  There is obviously a great conflict in his mind about his gender.  I know, because I did similar acts when I was his age.  He has this thing in his mind, running like a freight train out of control, pushing him to do anything to make him feel female.  His actions stem from the fact that there is no relief for these desparate feelings that never go away.  It is a hunger that is never satisfied.  It is a mountain of frustration filled with desires he feels can never be quelled.  It runs through every waking thought and most every dream he can remember.  There is nothing more important to him.  His desire to be female has become only purpose for existence.

He may feel that he is a pervert and have suicidal thoughts.  He knows he does not fit into society.  He is incredibly lonely and secretive in his desires. This drive will at times make him incredibly self centered and withdrawn.  Selfish acts are common and secretive. He may appear to be hateful or become spiteful.  Anything to become female feels justified.  Anything preventing him from finding a way to be a girl will be despised.

There may be a sexual aspect to this, but most commonly there is not.  The sexual components he appears to have devised are the only means he has found to pretend he is female.  All of this is made only worse by his recent introduction to puberty and the changes he is experiencing from testosterone, the male hormone.  He reviles these changes and longs with every fiber of his being for them to tip his body the other way.

In short, it is a never ending hell.  Although there is some educated speculation as to what causes this, there is no solid scientific answer available at this time.  But the problem is real and can become life threatening.  This is not an issue of being gay.  Most here will tell you that sexuality has nothing to do with these feelings.

Tell your son that you are worried about him and love him.  Tell him that you have come to this site seeking answers.  You may spend time together here composing questions and reading the answers.  Get him some professional help.  Your support could be the very thing that begins to help him come to terms with his own identity. It will mean everything to him.  Ask him if he would like to be called by another name and if he might appreciate the use of different pronouns.  You can not believe how much this may help alleviate his frustrations.

By all means, come back and continue this discussion.  This is the finest resource on the web.  That is why I am here offering what meager help I can.

Take care dear.  May you develop a stronger relationship with your child through all of this.  I know it seems overwhelming.  But it can all be worked out.

Cindi
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Bob

Well Stated  Cindi ! (as usual ! )
I was about to say something about what he was feeling... but I realy have no such knowledge in that respect, and then you Pop in there and give it your all... Thank you so much !
your a wonder-Girl Cindi ! <grin>
...
Bob.......

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dtsalkire

I want to thank you all for your support.  Please keep responding any info that would be helpful.  I am going to get his step mothers email address and forward this information to her.  His father does not AT ALL understand what he is going thru and by speaking to his step mom I hope that the both of us can be supportive and help him. 
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Gill

Hi There:

Wow your son is very lucky to have both his mom and step mom supporting him.  I agree there has been some excellent advice given here.  Pay special attention to the "right therapist" as Beth has said the wrong therapist can really do more harm than good.

His father is confused as well and is probably taking this personally.  One thing I have learned through all of this is that males tend to handle their fears with anger.  Just keep reassuring him that it is okay to feel what he is feeling and there are others out there who have experienced the same feelings.  Let him know that you will support him.  As I have mentioned in other posts, "never ever slam that door shut"  keep it open, him knowing that the door is open will be a great comfort to him.

Keep talking as communication is the key to all of this.

Gill
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Bob

it will be easier for the father to understand if he can believe its a medical condition and not a preversion....as men are apt to believe right off the bat ...
once I understood that it was far more easy for me to be supportive to my Kid..
this is another reason for the theropy sessions... its a long road to understanding but when you finally understand it is a birthdefect and not some weird sexual preversion it becomes almost a releif ! ... once the parents get over the guilt and feeling of what did i do wrong.... and realise that there is nothing you could have done to prevent this from happening, then you all are on the mend... not just the kid... and believe me its tough
getting it through your own head that its not your fault ! especially if you raised the kid... I know... been there done that ! ... but for now look to each other and help them understand.... as you are the only one with any idea of what a right answer is.
....
and get your Kid on here.... the questions your child might ask us are probly more likely to be asked to others that have no idea, at least here there is a wealth of knowledge, and we care what happens...
incurrage him to visit here please... thats what this place is for !
I'ed rather answer stupid kid questions Honnestly than to have him fed some line of BS that will harm him in the long run !  Also he will probly ask us questions that he never would dream of asking you..... I dunno why that is , it just is ! kids are usually very shy about sex to their parents.
....
Haing in there and keep a positive outlook and you can all get through this and ALL be happy..... if you fight it everyone will more than likely be miserable !
...
there are TS prople here that have been disowned by their parents AND their childern
... simply because they refuse to except the truth....  and I can understand why... its not very easy to accept at all. but accept it you must.
these very same TS people are now so much happier than they ever were in their past lives IN SPITE of all the bad things.... and if that doesn't tell you something  nothing will...   it is Something that HAS to be done ....no matter what.
  so Mom.... go with the flow ! and haing in there !
...
more of my coppers worth ! heheheh
C ya !

Bob......

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Nero

Hello dtsalkire.
There's been some very good advice here.
The fact that your son feels the need to carry a purse with pads and tampons inside tells me this may be more than just a desire to crossdress.
Puberty for a transsexual (if that is what your son is) is pure hell. S/he likely feels completely alone and different from everyone else. S/he's not a boy, but s/he's obviously not a girl either. While other girls his age are wearing bras and having periods, his body is doing the exact opposite and this is torture for him. I wish I could've communicated to my parents at that age what was going on with me, it may have saved me a lifetime of heartache.
As others have said, please continue to come here and encourage your son to come also.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Kimberly

Concerned Mother,
*curtsey*
THANK YOU for making the effort to understand!



In my opinion the child needs to know that they are loved unconditionally, and that you guys CARE. This is VERY IMPORTANT!  -- Hopelessness and Transsexualism go hand in hand the majority of the time it seems. Regardless, ANY CHILD needs this, of course.

I also think it is very important for the child to know that they are not alone, and what they are experiencing is normal, albeit rare, and that something can be done to help. I.e. there IS HOPE. (See above about hopelessness.) -- If you consider that biological systems are not perfect this whole mismatched brain/body thing becomes considerably more reasonable, I think.


Generally speaking it would probably be a good idea to start talking with a gender aware therapist. That is to say a therapist who understands what GID (Gender Identity Disorder) is and is familiar with helping patients with GID.


This mess is very daunting at first but by and large it is manageable and good can come of it.


I wish you and your the seasons' greetings and the best of luck.
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Julie Marie

#10
Dear Mom,

The first thing I want to say is, here at Susan's, we use gender appropriate references depending on how an individual prefers to present themselves.  Your child wants to present as female so I will give her that courtesy.  Please don't be troubled by this.  It's just a courtesy to her.  That being said...

Probably one of the first things you need to address is your feelings about your daughter's situation.  Look deep down inside yourself and ask yourself how you truly feel about this.  Your child needs to feel unconditional acceptance in order for her to emerge from this with a reasonable amount of self esteem.  Parents play a huge role in achieving that. 

Your initial reaction of "are you gay" is common but there is no correlation between gender identity and sexual orientation.  I myself am a lesbian transsexual, something not uncommon.  So rather than thinking crossdressing means she's gay just look only at the crossdressing alone and what it means.

There are several categories within the transgender spectrum.  Crossdressing at a young age does not mean your child wants to be female.  There are many who crossdress and have no desire for any physical changes.  They like the body they are born with.  On the other end is the transsexual who wants physical change and wants to live full time in the gender opposite the one they were born.  If you want to understand your child best, you need to find out where she feels she is.  But please know, whatever she tells you will be all she knows at this point in time.  Don't hold her to that forever.  As she grows and matures and rids herself of denial, all that could change.  I know, I lived over 50 years successfully as a male and I did so through deep denial.

You need to see your child as your child, nothing more.  Look in her heart and not at what she's wearing.  Our society preaches don't judge a book by it's cover but teaches just the opposite.  So don't be worried if your initial reaction is to see a boy in a dress.  You know who she is inside and inside she's beautiful.  But right now she's lost and confused.  Her whole world is in conflict and she's in crisis.  She needs a stable, rock solid foundation to support her.  You, her dad, his wife, your boyfriend all need to be that support.  If you gather together with your child's well being as the sole focus, you will see her emerge from this a complete and happy person.  That will be your reward.  I have three kids that I raised to adulthood.  I'm a parent too.  I know what unconditional love is.

You may at first get some resistance from her.  That's normal.  She has been living in a world that doesn't understand her and if school mates found out would become a living hell.  It's easy to understand her fears.  So she will be at first afraid to completely open up to anyone. 

Don't take any of the things she's "borrowed" from her without discussing it with her first.  She will most likely see that as you trying to stop her from fulfilling her needs.  Yes, she took things that aren't hers but under the circumstances she felt that was her only option.  She needs to return them but she needs to know it's not because it's wrong for her to possess those things, it's just wrong to take things without asking.  When you ask her to return those things also ask her if she would like to have things of her own.  If she's comfortable with it, maybe the two of you can go shopping.  Of course the other three members of the team have to be aware of this.  Since she lives with her dad, he absolutely has to be okay with this or you'll be adding to your child's misery.  If you can all get together and support her like this you'll be on the road to turning the hellish life she has lived so far into something beautiful.

Society today is far more accepting of transgender issues than it has ever been but that doesn't mean any of us can be totally open with who we are.  So there are cautions your daughter needs to be given.  For now, she will have to accept she needs to live as a boy at school.  Depending on the attitude in your community, at school, etc, you may be able to help her come out... if that's what she wants.  But for now let her know it's okay to dress at home or to go out when with an adult but she has to be very careful outside of that.

I'm assuming therapy will be a given.  The reason for this is not to "cure" her.  It's to allow her to accept the world around her, to help her gain the courage to be herself, and to help her decide which is the right path for her.  Pretty typical therapy for almost any situation.  Your child is not nuts!  But society may be by expecting everyone to be happy with the path they were given at birth when the doctor looks between your legs and exclaims, "It's a ____!"  We shouldn't be judged by our genitals but society does it all the time.

If in therapy your child decides she wants to live life as a female, you and the rest of the support team need to consider medical intervention.  If she is transsexual then she will follow this path no matter what age she is allowed to begin.  You can't stop it.  The earlier medical intervention is started, the less pain and suffering she'll have to endure later, not to mention the cost!  This should be discussed with the therapist, her and the rest of her support team.

What I've said here may be a bit much to swallow at once.  But one thing to remember is no matter how she looks, your child is still the same person you've always known.  When you take away her pain by allowing her to be herself, you open up the doors for you to see all the beauty that lies inside.  The whole her will emerge and grow.  And when you see that familiar face glowing with happiness, you'll know you made the right choice.

You are a strong person and your child is lucky to have such a mother.  I wish you all the best on your journey.  Please stay in touch.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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dtsalkire

I think its time to talk to my son.  I am working on how to approach the situation. I have started researching so I can understand and talk to him in the right way.  I am not in denial here just trying to understand. I want to thank all of you for your advice.

He has never except for the girl bathing suit suggested that he wanted to be a girl and at the time I thought it was the silkiness of the suit he liked. He rides dirt bikes and likes boy's toys into guns and knifes, hunting, fishing. He is 5'9" 201lbs. He never played with dolls or liked girly things except for liking lingerie.  He was diagnosed with Sensory Integration Dysfunction as a child. He really liked soft things especially panty hose and silky undies.  I thought that the softness of my clothes was what he was after.  He likes to build things. He does not appear femine in any way except for the cross dressing.  I have a key logger on my computer and have caught him watching porn before and it's always girls. He has stolen porn from both me and his father. He has also been diagnosed with ADD.  He goes to a physiatrist every other month since he was 6.  He is on more meds than I would ever want him on but is uncontrollable without them. He takes Adderall, Seroquel and Trazodone.  I feel so bad for this kid and to also have to go thru this.  I am worried really worried about suicide. The other night when I was going thru his back pack he made a remark about not being around for xmas. I am sure he was embarrised and could tell he was angered. I just want to help and I don't want to add to his frustration. He is at a critical age with puberty and its not easy being a teen.   I plan on speaking to him in the best possible way this weekend. I will be back here posting once I do. 
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Melissa

Hi, first of all, I completely agree that until he says he wants to be a girl, it should not be assumed he is transsexual.  However, it does sound really likely and the possibility should be kept in mind, even if he says otherwise at first.

Quote from: dtsalkire on December 22, 2006, 09:56:02 AM
He has never except for the girl bathing suit suggested that he wanted to be a girl and at the time I thought it was the silkiness of the suit he liked. He rides dirt bikes and likes boy's toys into guns and knifes, hunting, fishing. He is 5'9" 201lbs. He never played with dolls or liked girly things except for liking lingerie.  He was diagnosed with Sensory Integration Dysfunction as a child. He really liked soft things especially panty hose and silky undies.  I thought that the softness of my clothes was what he was after.  He likes to build things. He does not appear femine in any way except for the cross dressing.  I have a key logger on my computer and have caught him watching porn before and it's always girls. He has stolen porn from both me and his father. He has also been diagnosed with ADD.  He goes to a physiatrist every other month since he was 6.  He is on more meds than I would ever want him on but is uncontrollable without them. He takes Adderall, Seroquel and Trazodone. 
Just so you know, this sounds a lot like me.  I always liked soft clothes and things.  I have also been into many "masculine" things like building things, boy toys and even knives.  Many of those hobbies sound like fun to me.  I never really played with dolls as a kid either.  Growing up, I was strictly into women and actually still am.  I never really appeared that feminine as a kid either.  I always had short hair (in fact I had never grown it out prior to transitioning) and I wore normal boys clothes and didn't look feminine at all (to me).  When I could grow facial hair, I did that too.  I ended up close to 5'10" and as a teen weighed about 170.  Since HRT, I am now 5'9" and 180.  Also, I was diagnosed with ADD as a kid.  I learned to cope without it for a while, but I recently have found a need to deal with it again and had testing done and was rediagnosed with adult ADD.  My point it, even thought there are all these indications I was a "normal boy", I still ended up being transsexual and transitioning.  I can tell you that I'm so much happier in my new gender role.

P.S. I still think boy toys are cooler than girl toys.

Melissa
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cindianna_jones

Mom,  Yup... he sounds a lot like me when I was a kid. There are a number of similarities. Most of the toys I liked were boy toys.  They still are. I did steal a Barbie when I was younger and kept it hidden for many years. It's the purse, feminine hygene articles, hose, pictures of women, and suicidal tendancies that provide strong indication.

I applaud your interest and action in getting to the bottom of this.

Cindi
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dtsalkire

I will understand, love and support him no matter what!!! 
I want him to be happy either way and if he prefers being a girl than it will be. I appreciate all the support I have gotten here.  This is something most people wont understand but unconditional love of a mother can go a long way I hope in helping him understand him/herself.

THANK YOU ALL
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beth

Hello again Mom,

                       My advice regarding this site and other similar sites differs from what has been said. I absolutely do not think it is wise to expose him to pro-transsexual sites, books or people until he/she has come out and said she is a girl inside or wants to become a girl.  Many teens crossdress for many reasons that are not related to transsexualism.  Your son/daughter is having trouble with life and many times the thought of being transsexual can seem to offer a new start in life. Only the true transsexuals will be happy with the transsexual life and transition.  My point is, it is very important that your son decides where he fits in before he is exposed to too much positive or negative information regarding transsexualism.



beth
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Melissa

Quote from: beth on December 22, 2006, 11:41:59 AM
My advice regarding this site and other similar sites differs from what has been said.
Not quite.  That's pretty much what I was saying too. :)

Melissa
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Julie Marie

#17
Well, I'm right there with Melissa and Cindi.  I appeared boy all the way.  No one had any idea except for the crossdressing thing.  I work construction.  I am a foreman.  I have been in charge of as many as 50 guys and I earned the respect of every one of them.  Not one of them would ever suspect I'm trans.  And I'm not the least bit interested in men, except maybe if I need a golf partner.  ;)

What worries me is all the meds your child is on.  Teenagers today seem to be on so many medications.  When I was a kid it was called puberty. 

When my daughter was 14 she was rebellious, confrontational, dark and moody.  She had been in therapy for several years at that time.  When she started cutting her wrists I knew it was to get attention and I got the family together and said we would all work together to support her and show her our love.  My wife checked her into a mental hospital.  In two days she was so miserable she wanted to die, but this time for real.  I got her out of there ASAP.  She needed family love and support at that time, not a team of doctors trying to 'cure' her. 

But it wasn't over.  She continued therapy.  She is bipolar, has fibromyalgia and asthma and is ADD.  And she was on an ever increasing list of medications.  I didn't see her getting any better.  My wife felt the doctor was right and we argued about all the meds she was on a lot.  Finally we took the list of medications to a pharmacist friend and he was shocked.  He pointed out several meds that should never be taken together.  We took this to her doctor and he promptly took her off many of the meds.  Then we started to see improvement.  Today my daughter takes medications for bipolar and asthma only.  All the rest she didn't need.  And she is leading a very normal happy life.

If you haven't already, involve another doctor regarding the medications.  Also, ask your pharmacist.  Most pharmacists are more knowledgeable than doctors when it comes to medications.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Melissa

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 22, 2006, 12:44:27 PM

Your advice didn't differ at all.  You said pretty much exactly what I did.

Well, you went right into calling the son a daughter, when there has been nothing explicitly said by her son about wanting to be a girl.  That was the thing that caught my eye.

Melissa
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Nero

Quote from: beth on December 22, 2006, 01:11:32 PM
         I previously said,

QuoteMy advice regarding this site and other similar sites differs from what has been said.



         I am sorry if this was misconstrued as saying no one mentioned any of the things I said in my post. I did not see where anyone suggested giving access to this site and similar sites may do harm, instead I saw several posts suggesting it.  If my statements were confusing I apologize.



beth
True. I didn't even think about the fact that exposing an impressionable confused youth to transsexual sites may do harm, but clearly it could. thanks for bringing up this point.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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