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Started by A, November 15, 2010, 04:23:57 PM

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tekla: You sound like my mother, and you and her are both right.

However, thinking back, I believe the true reason behind my dismissal was not appearance. I mean, I showed up at work without the tie all the time [but ALL of the rest was more or less perfect] and NO ONE mentioned it. Ever. The first day, I DID show up in a green chic shirt [he had not mentioned yet he wanted a white one] and - I apologized for it as I was going to shop for pants that night - jeans, and he asked me about it, and I said tomorrow I will have bought everything I need, and he said okay.

Probably he felt that I was "willingfully not abiding to the dress code" because of the first day, plus the tie. And if I were not so nice and understanding, I would have probably felt that way too.

I believe the true reason was because I made the mistake of saying in front of the sub-boss that busses would make it impossible to make it on time to work or leave as late as needed. He did not react, but he probably told the boss about it, and an employee with such transportation problems is not "hire-able". I believe that is the true problem, but he did not mention it, because I should "theorically" not be penalized for not having a car.

But I will repeat again : I do not blame them. Yes, I would not have acted the same as them. But I am not sure I would have kept an employee with whom I would have to make the previous/next shift arrive/leave 15 minutes sooner/later.

So yeah, this is a failure. But I am starting job search again, and hopefully someone will hire me. I am having an info interview (i.e. meet the boss and give him my résumé, exactly what got me the job at that hotel) to be a telephonist in an insurance company tomorrow, so hair should not be much of an issue. I hope I do well !

--By the way, I thought I should ask. How should I go ? Chic-but-casual shirt, black overshirt, black pants and black leather shoes ? Same but with an even more chic white shirt ? Jeans and sweater ?
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A

Quote--By the way, I thought I should ask. How should I go ? Chic-but-casual shirt, black overshirt, black pants and black leather shoes ? Same but with an even more chic white shirt ? Jeans and sweater ?

Sorry, edit came too late.
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jessica

I wouldn't wear jeans unless you know what the dress code or whatever you call it is like there. I'd probably wear whatever looks most professional.
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regan

Quote from: jessica on November 18, 2010, 07:57:31 PM
I wouldn't wear jeans unless you know what the dress code or whatever you call it is like there. I'd probably wear whatever looks most professional.

Dress at least one step above what their employees wear.  You can always dress down once you're hired.
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Elsa

Always try to look professional and jeans are a no-no at most interviews .. so try to avoid them unless the people there also wear them regularly or is part of their dress code/culture , try to go there a day early to take a peek at what is the norm/dress code where-ever possible or take a look at it on the companies website (imho which should be done first as it would save you a lot of hassle) ... normally most bosses prefer (sub-consciously/consciously) hiring people with a combination of grey/white shirt and dark brown/black formal pants i.e light coloured top and dark coloured pants combo.. and try to keep to a similar clothing pattern (with or without stripes) for at least the first 3-4 weeks...

Keep up the positive attitude!

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tekla

I am your mother - Rock and Roll den-mother at that.  But your mom is right.

Here's how you do it.  Simple, easy and almost foolproof.  Go to the place of business the day before your interview.  Do it slightly before lunch, and stay till after lunch.  Carefully note what people are wearing.  Show up for the interview dressed exactly like that.  Walk into the interview so you can walk out and start doing the job right away.  LOOK LIKE YOU ALREADY WORK THERE.

^^^^^^ - if you had done that to begin with you would have worn a white shirt and tie from the get-go.

that busses would make it impossible to make it on time to work or leave as late as needed
Yeah, I would have had you walking to the exit before you even finished the sentence.  Can't be on time, can't work for me (or really anywhere I've worked in theater, it was even worse for my dad, he was an airline pilot).  It's possible for me to let people go without working the extra time - given union time and a half and double-time I have people fighting to stay on so an 8 hour day pays X, 18 hour day - not uncommon - pays X + X + X +1/2X) but really I don't like that either so don't make a habit of it,* and you damn well better tell me that right after "Good Morning" so I can plan for it.

I should "theorically" not be penalized for not having a car.
You're not, your being penalized for not getting to work on time, regardless of how you get there.  Fact is my bike and bus people have a far better on-time record then the drivers.

I think that you're trying to cut it too close.  I get to work almost always an hour before I start.  Because the next bus would be cutting the time to five minutes and in the Bay Area that's too much of a risk.   Twenty minutes early is 30 minutes late!  because of the basic hour factor (anything that goes wrong is going to take an hour).  So I show up, sometimes I do some stretching, sometimes I get coffee and doughnuts, sometimes we all head out for a 'safety meeting' or I read... you get the picture.  But, and I'm not alone in this at all, I'm just fanatical about it (as many are), but... When I give a start time of 9:00 I want the frickin hammers in the air at 9:00.  I want to see that first keystroke at 9:00:0000001.  I did the same thing when I was teaching that my undergrad school did - lock the door when the lecture starts.  Every year the Dean would rag at me about it, every year I never changed it.  I thought it was good training for 'the real world' if nothing else. That and I got there on time, why not you?   And I see this all the time and it drives me nuts.  They 'start' at 9, but in reality get there about 9:05, mill around for a bit, get coffee, check the sports page, put their tie on, take a dump, flirt and by the time they actual get their butt into position for a little work-place submission it's 9:20, 9:25.**  Building habits of always being early will help you keep jobs, (get more jobs too, early bird, worm and all that) and you get a lot of reading done too.

But yeah, really, REALLY! think about your co-workers, your comrades, your union brothers, your stage sisters, or what-have-you and try to live up to whatever the most basic requirements are (and starting time is the very first one at that).

So yeah, this is a failure.
Not at all.  You are young, just starting out, wet behind the ears, and have that unique mix of casual arrogance and studied earnest that older people hate so much about people in your age group.  This was not a failure, you're on a learning curve - YOU'RE OK HERE SO LONG AS YOU ARE LEARNING AND IMPROVING.  Better to get fired from job when you are 18 and not 48. 

* BTW, I'm hip to the bus, been using public transit + bike + walking for most of my life, haven't even owned a car this century (I'd rather have the month to month and a half off thank you) --- anyway, my bus stops running at midnight, and does not start again till 6 am.  I rarely get done in time to take a midnight bus.  I have a wide bunch options to fill the time including napping at the theater, riding my bike and meeting the bus further on (20-30 miles) up the road (on a nice night the ride from Downtown, along the Embarcadero, out along the Marina and Bay, across the Bridge, down to Sausalito, around Richardson Bay and then the bike trail to Novato is stunning), I walk a lot, I have been working on my "San Francisco at 3am photo portfolio" for a decade now, coffee shops, a few nice places that serve breakfast all night, friends, or last - but not least and the favorite option - hang out doing some serious drinking with the boys for a couple hours after which I no longer care when the hell the bus shows up.  I just figure that it is what it is, and this is the lifestyle/career/home and all that, that I choose.  I could get a car, but I hate oil wars and I love bikes.  I could move to SF, but my GF would not, so... or I could do something else with normal hours, but then I'd have to be normal.  So, I have a lot of time between the hours of midnight and dawn, its up to me to use them.

** - it's the equivalent of one extra paid day off every month - and bet me that the people who are late in the morning, are late coming back from break, late back from lunch - you get the picture.  And basically 'forcing' people to stay overtime at work to cover for you time after time will make you devastatingly unpopular at work.  That's not being a 'team player' - and a hotel (any hospitality deal really) is a team (really 'crew' not team, but...) effort at all times.  And I'll say this about hospitality work now: they are always putting in more hours.  It the nature of the beast.  My stuff, and everybody else in that club/theater are not doing some clear-cut 9-5 kind of deal.  One of them lists on the show sheet (what is happening at what time today and other details) Shows Over: When You Hear Greensleeves.  That's because we have been playing some version of that song at the end of the show since the 1960s, but note: no time.  It's over when it's over, it is what it is.  I've had bands go on on-time and end up doing 90 minutes more than the 2.5 hours they were telling us earlier.  Which is fine.  They are major stars, we're a major venue, if they want to play, we let 'em.  Our contracts have a minimum amount of time they have to play, but there is no maximum. 

If your on the staff of some hotel and the Vice Premier of Crookastan want's pickle flavor ice cream at 3:00am, guess what?
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A

tekla, I seriously admire you. I would definitely not survive spending the night out in the next city all the time because I finish after the last bus. And I would definitely not survive using a bike to cover the 30 km or so that separates the next city from me, let alone doing so at minus 30 in the winter.

But yeah, I get the idea. I should go back to my "basic" attitude, which is "do whatever they tell you, in advance and better", instead of the attitude I have learned from the age of 15 that is "do it your way because you don't understand why you should do it theirs". I've always hated that part of me. It's just not me, yet I'm like that all the time. I would love to just blame testosterone for it, but deep down I know it cannot be the cause to everything. I wish it were easier to just act the way you want to act. I feel like I'm being controlled by... Me. Weird.

Anyway, thank you for the advice.
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tekla

Well there is no Minus 30 here, it gets down to the mid-40s (F) here and people start breaking out the down parkas, the fur boots like they were Nanook of the North or something.  You almost expect to see them trailing a dog-sled.  Second, it is an international, cosmopolitan 24-hour a day city, so no matter how late it is there are always people out jogging, bike riding, walking the dog, stores open and all that, so it's not a wasteland.  But 18+ miles on flat-land, that's an hour fifteen or twenty or so, tops!  Anyway, I'm not exactly 'surviving' - you make it sound like a wilderness trek with bears, it's just a big urban bike ride, with bums.

The rest of it is pretty true.  For sure drop the do it your way because you don't understand why you should do it theirs - no one is going to pay you to 'understand' their way, that's a consultants job.  You just have to execute.  Sure there are most likely other ways, better ways of doing it.  So what?  For some 40 years and more rock bands have been playing the Fillmore, which is upstairs at the end of a very narrow alley.  We have an increasingly convoluted system for getting the contents of the semi up on that stage and back out.  Yeah, there are better ways than the one we use, all of us have thought it through, it's just not the way it's done there and that's all.  When the touring crew starts to come at me with their 'great idea' I just tell them that there is no way we can even discuss it, because we can only keep one idea in our heads at a time, and telling us a new way would cause us to forget everything. 

Hell, it might not even be possible to 'understand'.  It's designed to be all but impossible to understand (see: Entertainment and Publishing book-keeping practices for example)

And I don't think it's T at all.  In college and in the real world I've never noticed the estrogen people doing any better responsibility wise.   Yeah I'd lecture the frat guys for walking to class in the winter in Iowa without hats, and the sorority sisters would back me until I pointed out that they were out in the very same cold weather without sox.   It's really about work habits and work ethics, and how 'team work' really works, and that you get from your parents.
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