WHY DO FEMINISTS HAT TRANSWOMEN?

[Sailor_Saturn]

No I meant sensitivity and female insecurity. Like having doubts. And like continually having a hard time dealing with a body that you cannot really call your own psychologically and emotionally.

Let's be a little more specific here. What is this female sensitivity that a lot of transwomen lack? I do not understand what you're talking about? A physical sexual response? Emotional connectivity? Fear of judgment for being outgoing? Fear of failure? What is it that we lack that makes the statement that we're not really women or that we're raping the female form a valid argument?

You may not have been arguing these points, but you said that the feminist had a point, and she WAS arguing these points.

[Sibila]

Let's be a little more specific here. What is this female sensitivity that a lot of transwomen lack? I do not understand what you're talking about? A physical sexual response? Emotional connectivity? Fear of judgment for being outgoing? Fear of failure? What is it that we lack that makes the statement that we're not really women or that we're raping the female form a valid argument?

You may not have been arguing these points, but you said that the feminist had a point, and she WAS arguing these points.

a lot of transwoman start transition with perfectly healthy functional male ego's...which is why i do not believe them

[cynthialee]

a lot of transwoman start transition with perfectly healthy functional male ego's...which is why i do not believe them

It is not your place to believe or disbeileve.
You are supposeed to be here to give and recieve support.
NOT decide who has a male ego and who is really a woman.

[AbraCadabra]

Well Cynthialee, who can say you wrong saying just so...

Yes, maybe we aught to believe into helping one another rather then discrediting one another.

Not always easy in some situations - but there we are :-)

Lastly, there are PLENTY ggs that would not fit certain female moulds, plenty!
Now who's to say THEY are not "real' - hello?!

Axelle

[Sibila]

I never ever received any help or understanding from them...
They used to call ME male for doubting about the surgery...
And with their lies and behavior they increase prejudice and lack of understanding for transwoman

[Sibila]

It is not your place to believe or disbeileve.
You are supposeed to be here to give and recieve support.
NOT decide who has a male ego and who is really a woman.

Then who`s place is it ??

[cynthialee]

Then who`s place is it ??

No ones.

[Julie Marie]

To the OP I would ask why does anyone hate transwomen, or transmen or gays or lesbians or anyone for that matter?

Usually, the reason is borne out of ignorance.

[lilacwoman]

if Sibila goes around referring to TS as masculine trannies/trannies then there will be no respect flowing Sibila's way

[Sailor_Saturn]

a lot of transwoman start transition with perfectly healthy functional male ego's...which is why i do not believe them

Okay...you dodged the question (intentionally or not). I asked you what specifically defines female sensitivity. I'd like some specific criteria by which to decide whether something fits the definition "female sensitivity". But you've generated a new question, while I'm at it: what defines an ego as male? If we're going to try to categorize egos by sex, we're going to need some kind of measuring stick are we not?

[Sibila]

Okay...you dodged the question (intentionally or not). I asked you what specifically defines female sensitivity. I'd like some specific criteria by which to decide whether something fits the definition "female sensitivity". But you've generated a new question, while I'm at it: what defines an ego as male? If we're going to try to categorize egos by sex, we're going to need some kind of measuring stick are we not?

If a Tgirl did not feel any entrapment socially and physically and psychologically I would think her EGO leans towards masculinity.

[Sibila]

if Sibila goes around referring to TS as masculine trannies/trannies then there will be no respect flowing Sibila's way

If its the word trannie that you think is offensive then wake up!
You are NOT a gg!
Not in the flesh at least.

If you are denying that you deny the hardship and problems us girls go through.
It is BTW OFTEN the masculine Tgirls who think they can BECOME woman.

Which proves my point and the point of the T-haters.

[cynthialee]

So a poor choice of semantics makes the differance between TS girls who are women and TS who are just men with a bad idea?

[lilacwoman]

oh dear poor Sibila had a nasty girlhood.
turn the clock back and you have my boyhood and I'll do the cooking and cleaning and playing with Barbie dolls.   er no I'll skip the Barbies as that's a marker of future homosexuality.

As we don't know anything about Sibila except her lesbian name we have to assume she's an acolyte of the sad Janice Raymond with the same irrational delusions about the reality of transsexualism.

[Sailor_Saturn]

If a Tgirl did not feel any entrapment socially and physically and psychologically I would think her EGO leans towards masculinity.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Specificity is the heart of an argument. A sense of entrapment, be it physical, psychological, or social, is something that I understood to be one of the criteria for categorizing an individual as transsexual to begin with. That's why it's gender dysphoria, because you have a sense of dysphoria.

But I wonder: is your argument that men do not feel socially or psychologically trapped? True, men are allowed to do many things that women aren't, but they're also constrained from doing many things that women are allowed to. Men are (at least by Western standards) generally not allowed to express most of their negative emotions. Anger is about the only one they're allowed to flow freely. If they express sadness or fear, they're labeled weak. They are also expected to enjoy competition and are constantly engaged in a hierarchical struggle for being the alpha dog.

This doesn't leave people feeling trapped? They may not admit it, but many men DO dislike the standards that they're held to. It's exhausting to hold your emotions in and to constantly try to be the A-1 King of the Hill with absolutely no weaknesses. So much so that this sort of gender role has been shown to diminish life expectancy!

[Mahsa Tezani]

Might be something about being born male.

As for me, I am a total feminista... I like to get my nails done and have guys googling my name with no shame.

[Sibila]

So a poor choice of semantics makes the differance between TS girls who are women and TS who are just men with a bad idea?

no thats your quote...
I just said there is a significant difference

[Maya Zimmerman]

If its the word trannie that you think is offensive then wake up!
You are NOT a gg!
Not in the flesh at least.

If you are denying that you deny the hardship and problems us girls go through.
It is BTW OFTEN the masculine Tgirls who think they can BECOME woman.

1.  Being offended by a derogatory term does not mean that one should wake up.  It only means that such a person is hurt by that word.  If you know it hurts some people and use it anyway, doesn't it logically follow that you intend to hurt those people?
2.  Was there a trans woman who claimed to be a gg?
3.  Everyone has hardships and problems.  Seriously.  Every single person on this Earth.
4.  I neither know where you got your "fact" about the majority of what you consider "masculine Tgirls" nor what it is supposed to mean.

[Sibila]

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Specificity is the heart of an argument. A sense of entrapment, be it physical, psychological, or social, is something that I understood to be one of the criteria for categorizing an individual as transsexual to begin with. That's why it's gender dysphoria, because you have a sense of dysphoria.

But I wonder: is your argument that men do not feel socially or psychologically trapped? True, men are allowed to do many things that women aren't, but they're also constrained from doing many things that women are allowed to. Men are (at least by Western standards) generally not allowed to express most of their negative emotions. Anger is about the only one they're allowed to flow freely. If they express sadness or fear, they're labeled weak. They are also expected to enjoy competition and are constantly engaged in a hierarchical struggle for being the alpha dog.

This doesn't leave people feeling trapped? They may not admit it, but many men DO dislike the standards that they're held to. It's exhausting to hold your emotions in and to constantly try to be the A-1 King of the Hill with absolutely no weaknesses. So much so that this sort of gender role has been shown to diminish life expectancy!

No I dont mean that men are sociallt trapped when they are MEN. Its true entrapment works both ways. But you are talking about the wrongs of sociaty here... not genderdysforia.
In my opinion if you are born in a male body as a girl you will have very little to no benifit from being male.
BUT there are transwoman that DID have that benifit. BECAUSE they could develop a healthy ego. On a masculine ground and not on a femine one.

[Felix]

Sibila, are you just bitter, or maybe going through something? You're acting mean and making a lot of generalizations. We don't come here to defend who we are, do we? I feel like some of the transwomen are being put on trial, and I don't see how that serves any decent purpose. Am I making too many assumptions?