Susan's Place Logo

News:

Please be sure to review The Site terms of service, and rules to live by

Main Menu

Did/are you live/living a "gay" lifestyle prior to transitioning?

Started by Anatta, May 18, 2011, 02:17:57 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Did/are you live/living a "gay" lifestyle prior to transitioning?

Yes and I've "never" been intimate with anybody whose "psycho-sexual" nature is the same as mine
11 (12.5%)
Yes but occasionally, I'd bat for what I would consider the other side in an attempt "to conform"
5 (5.7%)
Yes but I'm bisexual anyway
14 (15.9%)
No but I've thought about it
24 (27.3%)
No never given it much thought
34 (38.6%)

Total Members Voted: 81

Anatta

Kia Ora,

::)  Just to add a poll to complement the last topic on sexual orientation= https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,98591.0.html , in fact I got the idea from some of the comments left there...So thank you to all those who have share some very interesting  comments so far on the other topic..

So back to this poll question...  "Have you ever lived /or are you still living in [what many "unenlightened" cisgender people would presume it to be] a "gay" lifestyle, in other words when you were/are presenting as your "birth sex" in a "same sex"  relationship?"

::) Now this should be interesting............Fingers crossed XX XX

PS I know for the most part those M2Fs and F2Ms who remain with their "opposite birth sex" partners are already in a sense living a gay life style..if you get my drift.........

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
  •  

cynthialee

I lived openly bisexual for the last 20+ years.
As a male I ate alot of crap for it.
As a female it is accepted.
stupid double standards.....
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
  •  

JungianZoe

As my birth sex, I always considered myself purely hetero, but I ignored all of the signs that should have told me otherwise.  My girlfriends (and my ex-wife) weren't so fooled though.  One left me saying I was clearly gay but in the closet, another left simply because she said I treated her like a sister and not a romantic partner.

Looking back, it's pretty clear that what I wanted from my relationships was, in fact, a girlfriend.  Not the romantic type, but the friend type.  A girl with whom to go dancing, shopping, eating, but nothing in the bedroom... on the other hand, I never gave any thought to the possibility that I might like guys.  Now that I've freed the girl who was trapped in my head my entire life, I know what my true sexual orientation is.  I went from forced hetero before transition to genuine hetero after.
  •  

Lisbeth

I had to get my gender identity figured out before I could address my sexual orientation.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
  •  

Janet_Girl

I was always in what others saw as a hetro relationship.  I have been married three times, all to women.  My sexuality has not changed, so I guess I was always a lesbian.  Even when living it that other form.
  •  

Bird

I have always been attracted to men.

At first, I thought I was gay. I remember being in deep denial of my female side back when I was younger, so I adopted what could be called a gay lifestyle. Anyway, I could never be a guy to someone who enjoyed guys, so, they had to accept my female behavior despite the male body.

This pattern of denial is typical of my behavior. I wanted to fit into society standards and be the perfect child for my parents. So I first denied being into guys, and after that I denied being a female.Thank god im done with denial by now!

My current bf meet me when I wans't transitioning, we had a gay relationship which is now turning into a straight one. If that could possibly make sense lol.
  •  

Anatta

Quote from: Maiara on May 18, 2011, 10:45:25 PM
I have always been attracted to men.

At first, I thought I was gay. I remember being in deep denial of my female side back when I was younger, so I adopted what could be called a gay lifestyle. Anyway, I could never be a guy to someone who enjoyed guys, so, they had to accept my female behavior despite the male body.

This pattern of denial is typical of my behavior. I wanted to fit into society standards and be the perfect child for my parents. So I first denied being into guys, and after that I denied being a female.Thank god im done with denial by now!

My current bf meet me when I wans't transitioning, we had a gay relationship which is now turning into a straight one. If that could possibly make sense lol.

Kia Ora Maiara,

::)  That does make sense and is not as uncommon as some people might think...Especially when the :icon_bunch: "love"  :icon_love: between a couple is more than skin deep...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
  •  

Anatta

Quote from: Valeriedances on May 18, 2011, 10:29:50 PM
I put no from just reading the poll, before reading your post.

I didnt view my relationships as gay, but cisgendered folks certainly would. It was way too complex for them to understand.

I will never accept my relationships were gay. As I said in the other poll, my partner had to accept me as a woman.

Kia Ora Valerie,

::) It's funny you should mention this because a while back, [well quite a while back now I come to think of it] I was talking to a friend who had just recently had her surgery[I think she would have been around 16 months on HRT] and was with her American boyfriend, well anyway, she was at our local market one time and someone whom she knew by sight stopped her and her boyfriend and asked her if she was the "Gyne-co-mimic" partner of her "gay" boyfriend, in other words they were in a "same-sex" relationship and she "played" the part of the female ...

This person from what I gather wasn't trying to be nasty- he had seem her as a "him" around in the past so just presumed this was the case and just wanted clarification...

I know this is not the same as you described, but just thought I'd mention it anyway...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
  •  

Lee

I'm rather open about being bi (well pan, but it's easier to use the bi label), but even when I was trying to present myself as a female and was dating women, it was not really a "gay lifestyle."  I've never really identified myself by my sexuality or been part of an LGBT circle; I've just been me dating people.
Quote from: cynthialee on May 18, 2011, 02:36:08 PM
I lived openly bisexual for the last 20+ years.
As a male I ate alot of crap for it.
As a female it is accepted.
stupid double standards.....
Yeah, I'm a bit worried about this actually.  I know several people, family included, who would take issue with me being in a same-sex relationship as a guy who have never had a problem with it while seeing me as a girl. ::)
Oh I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love

A blah blog
http://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,365.0.html
  •  

Megan Joanne

I did not have a gay lifestyle since I never portrayed myself as gay and never been with anyone prior to transitioning, and still even after, just feelings, nothing more, mostly confusion related to my true inner self, and even now, knowing myself as a woman, I'm still confused as to what my sexuality would be since I have yet to explore it. Never had much interest in being with anyone before transitioning, I was too screwed up with myself to want anyone else. I had a few small crushes during my life, short term attraction towards a few friends, which I tried to keep away from as much as possible just so that I didn't think about them, because I did when in their presence. Two of the stronger ones that I had feeling for just so happened to be guys.

One named Shawn, I when telling my mom about him the few times that we'd talk about different things in the past, described him to her as looking like a combination of the characters Ron Grady (Nightmare on Elm Street 2) and Daniel Larusso (Karate Kid), curly dark hair, slim but not skinny, very tan, came from up from Florida if I recall, I was in 9th grade I think at the time, maybe 10th, can't recall, oh well not important too much, met him when in PE class running laps, he came running up alongside me, introduced himself, was new to the school, needed a friend I guess, why he picked me, a quiet serious loner I dunno, as was I did everything I could to try to avoid or ignore him, but he would always come over my apartment or call asking if I wanted to hang out. All we did mostly was play video games, usually over his apartment (his mom was cool, I liked her, reminded me of my mom), sometimes I'd bring my NES system over, other times we'd play his Turbografx, or later Sega Genesis when he had traded with another kid, it was fun, he was a cool, nice guy.

But see, that's where the problem was, I don't know why, but I had some attraction towards him, not really strong, but it was there, I tried not to, didn't even understand why I had these feeling, but did well in keeping it mostly to the back of my mind and concentrate on what we were doing. One day he and a couple other friends were going to go camping, he asked me to come, I refused even though he really wanted me to come, and for very good reason, I had to get away from him, my feelings weren't right. When I was having trouble with my father, one day I stood up to him, the next I called my mom and pleaded with her to pick me up and let me live with her, she came and got me (and my brother), my dad the next day when we went to pick up all our belongs had already changed all of the locks on the door. Anyway, was living with my mom for a bit, one day outside on the playground, suddenly hear someone calling out to me, it was Shawn, he just so happened to be visiting a friend, or relative in this same apartment complex I was living at then, the next city over from where I used to live, there had to be hundreds of apartment places around, what's the odds of that. Still hurts me to this day how I treated him then, I pretty much acted like he was a stranger, like he was meaningless to me, that we never even had any kind of friendship, this because I wanted to leave my old life, including old friends behind (never even said goodbye to the few good ones that I had, yeah, total bitchy thing to do), as well as those feelings that I had for him. I hurt him bad, I could see it in his eyes, and still do.

Another was when I was working overnights at one of my jobs, this in mid-late 90's, around the time the first Playstation came out. One of my coworkers, very good looking, model-like, name was Billy, had the perfect looking face, beautiful smile (teeth were perfectly white), kept his hair in a ponytail, he was part black, part german if I recall right, interesting mix, made for one good looking guy though. He was well mannered, and seemed so sophisticated, just did not seem to fit in with the overnight retail stocking job. Actually he didn't care much for it, and was thinking of going back to Germany, liked it better there. I remember more than a couple times how some of the other guys overnight would joke behind his back about him possibly being gay, it really upset me, for one because what does it matter, another, how do you know for sure. He knew they didn't like him, and one day he asked me, I told him what they thought of him, he was pissed, but expected as much, and wondered why I put up with them, because they were ->-bleeped-<-s, I wasn't like them, but did have to work with them, so I always kept peace by not joining in anything or quietly accepting it.

What they didn't know is they had it completely wrong, if anyone were to be judged as gay or at least odd, that would have been me, not this perfectly normal guy that just happens to be too handsome, and happen to be a very fashion sensed person, as well as having good manners and respect. One day he asked if I'd want to go to the mall with him, I was reluctant, wasn't much for hanging out, especially in places as crowded as malls. He wanted to get some things for his little girl (yeah, he had a kid, can't remember if only one), I remember watching him talk to some of the sales representives, just so smoothly, I wondered, how can one be so easily comfortable with talking to be able to just have conversations about anything with a total stranger, made me feel way out of place, here I'm tagging along and barely saying a word, they probably thought we were a gay couple. One time when he drove me home from work so that my mom didn't have to come out of her way, he tried to get me to drive his car, around in my apartment complex parking lot, funny looking back on that memory, I held the steering wheel like I did a game controller, with my fingertips, first and only time I ever sat in a driver seat of a car and actually drove, was always too scared to try again. What I enjoyed most, all of our battles with Battle Arena Toushinden on the Playstation kiosk at our store, those were good times, but then when I got a PS for Christmas, and got that game I invited him over a few times, we were finally able to choose more fighters, even more fun, but also this is when I realized, oh crap, I got feelings for this wonderful man. thankfully I didn't see him anymore, he had quit that job, I think soon after moved back to Germany.

Those were two of the bigger crushes I had in my life, not really anything else noteworthy. I did one time have a slight crush on a girl when in 9th grade, actually made me do some silly things such as trying to write a poem though was stopped short on that by my sister and brother's laughter I remember, but found out also one day that she had a boyfriend, I didn't like that too much, I actually got a little jealous, but then I just shrugged it off moments later, she wasn't for me anyway. I suppose if or when I finally open up to the idea of me having sex I could probably be either/or, impossible to know now, little bit of attraction towards both women and men, sometimes because of their looks, don't even have to be perfect, sometimes the flaws attract me, or because they have such appealing personalities that I can't help but be drawn towards them. I do have a strong attraction towards women though I think its more about their bodies, just the way they look, every curve, the beauty, can't help it, love the boobs, as well as a nice curving rear end, but see I think that's as far as it goes, maybe its just a longing to be like that, to have it all, because while I was on hormones I had almost little interest in women, afterall I felt more like one myself. But still, I think I long for myself one day being with a guy, someone nice, someone that will see me as a woman and love me, to embrace me, kiss me (I've never been kissed, isn't that a shame?), someone stronger than myself for sure, though gentle with me, I want to feel protected, I long for the fairytale that many young girls dream of. But I don't dwell on it, but it always remains there deep within, the yearning for something more, a companion that I can share my life with, someone to grow old with, to share all my intimate feelings with and it be okay. One day, but I'm still not ready yet.

  •  

Anatta

Kia Ora Megan,
Thanks for your interesting story[ and I'd also like to thank the others too]...

::)  The funny thing about crushes :icon_bunch: is, at times it's possible at first we don't see it as a crush  :icon_bunch:, we just like being in the company of a particular person more than we do others and really don't give it much thought as to why...  ::) There's just something about them that attract us...

I guess as far as crushes  :icon_bunch: go, my asexual bi-romantic/affectionate world is full of crushes  :icon_bunch: because I like "people" and being with them...

Kia Ora Lee & Cynthia,

It could be because most  females [both hetero & homo] are  "naturally" touchy, feelly, [more so than heterosexual men] and most people just take this behaviour for granted...

I remember reading somewhere that up until the turn of last century people turned a blind eye to lesbian behaviour, in other words "lesbianism" was not a "sexual" practice, it was seen more as women just enjoying spending time with their own company/kind...

Queen Victoria was lesbian or perhaps she was bi, according to some sources...But again I could be wrong...

Metta Zenda :)     
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
  •  

fleshpull

I'm only interested in females now, and I don't see that changing.
NOT out
NOT on hormones
  •  

cynthialee

Quote from: meatgrinder on May 19, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
I'm only interested in females now, and I don't see that changing.
I have seen way to many trans folks do a complete 180 in sexual orientation. Some from HRT others post GRS.
Myself I started out bi and I am bi now but...I ussed to prefer men sexualy, now I prefer women. (Although I never have been able to see myself being in a relationship with a man that was anything but sexual.)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
  •  

JungianZoe

Quote from: cynthialee on May 19, 2011, 04:52:18 PM
I have seen way to many trans folks do a complete 180 in sexual orientation. Some from HRT others post GRS.

I don't know if it's exactly a 180, or an alignment to how one felt all along.  The brain can be a mastermind of self-deception.  And if that sentence isn't stating the obvious, I don't know what "the obvious" is. :laugh:

That's how it worked out for me.  I didn't enjoy sex the very few times I had it, and all five of my girlfriends questioned if I was gay.  "Of course I'm not gay, I'm with you, right?" I would ask them.  I explained away my eccentricities as my being so completely comfortable in my sexuality that I didn't have any fear of crossing gender stereotypes.  Who cares if I like to wear pinks and purples?  My fairy statues and pictures?  My love of women's fashion?  Romantic comedies?  Shopping?  Dancing?  Interior design?

Now I know I just painted a horrible (like "straight-to-hell" horrible) stereotype of a gay guy, but I assure you it's not my intention.  Those were all things I truly loved and surrounded myself with, and no girl could add up that evidence and come to the conclusion my own brain came to, namely, that I was just a sensitive heterosexual male in touch with my feminine side (especially when they threw my sexual disinterest into the equation).  I knew all about my "feminine side" as a strong desire to want to change my body to become the female I'd known I was since I was at least 4 years old, but I was also delusional in thinking that every living person had in them a desire to be the opposite sex and they simply controlled that desire as well as I did.  Oh, how the brain can deceive... And part of that control was living the full lifestyle of the typical heterosexual male (but with eccentricities and flair).

The self-acceptance I've gained with transition, moreso than HRT, brought me in touch with my inner reality.  I truly was disinterested in sex with girls.  That's no 180, just the result of honest self-evaluation.
  •  

kyril

Nope. I am gay, so until I started transitioning, I was seen outwardly as hetero.


  •  

Maddi

I'm 95% attracted to women with a fleetingly in men. I am also M2F so that makes me....not sure but you can do the math. lol
  •  

SilverShadow

Quote from: Lisbeth on May 18, 2011, 08:41:25 PM
I had to get my gender identity figured out before I could address my sexual orientation.

This, probably. I haven't even dealt with the gender side of things yet, though... Still going to pre-everything for quite a while... I've never really had any relationships or anything that could be classified as "gay" or "straight" lifestyle anyway.
  •  

Miniar

Nope, none of the options apply to me.

I'm a pansexual.
My husband's pansexual, male bodied, prefers male pronouns, but considers himself a-gender.

So... uh....
yeah....
uhm...
"gay lifestyle" doesn't apply in any shape way or form.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
  •  

PidgeTPN

I have only dated two females, one was gender neutral. I consider myself a gay male, so....
  •  

eskay

I'm bisexual, so dating hasn't really been much of an issue for me. It HAS been something of an issue for my partners, however. My last pseudo-boyfriend-type-person was gay, not bisexual, so the fact that I felt more like a woman and was going to transition posed some really tough issues for him, as he didn't want to be dating someone who was a woman. Conversely, I've also seen two women who identified as lesbians (not at once :P), even though I had not transitioned yet. They seemed to have an easier time with it, for some reason. I guess I'm just that effeminate? :\ Either way, dating hasn't been a hardship for ME, personally.
  •