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Started by JungianZoe, May 24, 2011, 08:47:31 PM

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JungianZoe

I have a friend who's Russian and I once loved her so dearly that she was the first person I ever came out to.  She supported me, she gave me clothes, she listened and loved and was more patient than just about anyone I'd met.  We had the same spiritual interests, read much of the same philosophy and psychology books, we even worked together on research last year.  Over the summer we studied together for the GRE and I helped her edit her admissions essays because I was a professional editor for the three years before going back to school.  In October, she abruptly moved to California to marry this guy she'd hardly known because she had a cultural clock in her head that she had to be married by 23.  I missed her dearly when she left.

In February, she came back after her and her husband were having severe fights and she didn't know if she wanted to be with him any longer.  But then she got an interview with a grad school here and was accepted.  Then she got an interview in California and left for that.  Her and her husband made up but then the nasty stuff started again.  She got into the school out there and accepted (meanwhile, I got rejected by the only program that even gave me an interview, but to be fair, she applied to Masters programs and I to Ph.D.'s which in psychology, is night-and-day for admissions rates).  Then her mom visited them and her husband only got nastier, putting his fist through the door one night.  She immediately made plans to come back out here indefinitely.  But in the meantime (and this was two months ago) she started developing neurological symptoms that Navy hospital doctors (husband's a Marine) have shrugged off, telling her she's making them up, and referring her only to counseling.

So for the last two months, I've listened and comforted her as she described all the pain she was having, the blindness that appeared in one eye, the numbness, the tingling, the hot-and-cold flashes in her limbs, her husband's continued assery, her other friends abandoning her since she moved, and her mom's depression after her fiance died in January.  I never once complained because I cared so deeply.  I even wore the pendant she gave me every second of every day, to remind me of her and that wonderful friendship we shared.  She gave it to me because it meant so much for my spiritual path.

But then, about three weeks ago, she snapped at me when I told her I was depressed.  She told me I was being selfish and not thinking of others.  We soothed that over and I picked her up at the airport (at 2:30 AM) two weeks ago.  Two days later, we went to hang out and catch up, and within 5 minutes of us being in the restaurant, I said I was cold and she snapped at me that I was being negative and stormed out on me, leaving me to slurp down my smoothie alone.  I found her in the Guitar Center next door to the smoothie shop (about 20 minutes later) and told her I wasn't being negative, but was cold.  I explained that my thermoregulation hadn't recovered from my years of anorexia and I chilled easily.  She always knew this.  But then she gave me a lecture about being selfish and that at least I wasn't forcibly starved in a refugee camp like she was (twice) and I did it to myself.  She stormed out on me again.

We made peace, hung out two more times, and then yesterday happened...

We were watching Forest Gump, and the end always makes me cry.  I kind of started sobbing and she began lecturing me about how good friends don't cry or get sad when they're together, and that if I was a good friend, I'd think of her and stop.  Then she got a phone call from her admissions counselor from school and I started crying some more because I felt like I was such a failure not getting into the programs I applied to (but I didn't tell her at all).  Some of the crying lately is from the hormones, I know, but I suffer from seasonal depression and it's come back due to our continuous bad weather.  Well, at this point, she totally flipped.  I tried talking to her and she kept interrupting me, then she went on this 10-minute anxiety-fueled rant that culminated in her saying that she knew she was dying from the neurological stuff, nobody cared (even though I help her all the time), everyone was too self-involved, she'd be the first of all her friends to die, nobody would care that they caused her death with their selfishness, then locked herself in the bathroom.  When she came out, I tried to talk but she interrupted again.  So I left because I told her that it was obvious my physical presence was causing her too much pain, and that I was sorry the movie made me cry.

On the way home, I texted her because something bugged me: she told me I'd never cared.  So I asked her if she really thought that.  She confirmed it and said that if I was a good friend, I'd pay attention to how bad she feels and never complain about anything.  I proved I didn't care by crying.  And yet, I went to see her right after electrolysis, when I was unshaven for three days, and had a chin swelled up to double its normal size!  She then called me manipulative for having left, on a day that I was already thinking of the manipulative nature of my relationship with my dad and stepmom who, by the way, severed all contact with me last week (but did I even mention that to her? NO!).  That sent me into a nasty crying fit that lasted all the rest of the day.

Then, at 12:45, she sent me a text that she couldn't sleep, and she knew I was at fault because she'd had visions that I was doing witchcraft on her to hurt her.  Now she was attacking my spiritual path on a very personal level.  I asked her what on earth that meant and why she was hurting me.  She told that if I had a heart (IF I had a heart) I'd let her sleep and stop my witchcraft on her.

I just don't know what to think... maybe these neurological things are changing her, but I can't handle this abuse when I'm only just building up my self-esteem for the first time in my life after a childhood of severe physical, mental, and emotional abuse.  I have no love of myself, but that's started to change.  And what she said is threatening to unravel that.  But I don't want to be the bad friend who leaves her when she needs help.  So I texted her, saying that I may sometimes hurt those who love me by not being able to accept love from others (it's really kind of true... when you spend years hating yourself, you wonder how anyone else can care).  She sent me a text back saying that it's good that I finally saw that I make mistakes.  :icon_sad:  She also told me of a party going on Thursday night (when we had already made plans) which she was going to attend.  She told me that I was welcome, but she'd be paying attention to other people so I had best be "a good friend and not freak out" (her exact words).  I told her that I didn't need a lecture on how to be a friend and that maybe we shouldn't be friends anymore.

Her response?  That she's dying and she doesn't care what anybody says right now because she has to think of herself, and that maybe she's not a good friend because of it, but she doesn't care.  She then said that she won't listen to what anybody says right now, and that's where she needs to be.  Also, she told me that I had hurt her the day before (for crying at the end of the movie) and I deserved what she said to me because it was right.

Then she said she didn't want to talk about it now because American Idol is on.

What on earth do I do...?  I'm falling apart here, losing one of my best friends to something I don't even know. :icon_cry:
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Joelene9

Zoë, 
  She's worse off than you are here.  If she did come from Russia, the women rarely showed their emotions to others.  Being abused by her husband is probably the same as her mother received by her dad in the Soviet Union.  Also the old folk spirituality came out with a vengeance after the fall of the Soviets.  Even the Orthodox Church is having problems themselves in ridding of this folk voodoo.  This stuff if ingrained in her since childhood.  Give her space and patience! 
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JungianZoe

I'm just out of patience... I don't know.  She called me just now and reiterated that I deserved what she told me, I was wrong, she was right, and that was it.  She interrupted every word I tried to say, and then hung up on me.  Now she's bombarding me with texts saying how wrong I am, and telling me not to respond back because she can't handle a response.

This is too much.

I know some of it's cultural, and I don't know how much of it is neurological.  She finally got a referral to a neurologist for testing next week, and I hope they find out what's up.  Because these changes in her are so drastic and severe that I just don't know what to do, but I think the neurological issues are causing some of it.


EDIT - I just can't get over what's happening.  How can one person so thoroughly destroy my sense of humanity and my place in it? :icon_cry:  All I feel like right now is an inhuman monster.  I know this is my problem, my reaction, and it could be different.  But this was someone I talked about as my sister-spirit, and I feel so lost now.  This hurts more than my dad and stepmom abandoning me.  Someone I trusted so completely and loved so deeply... how could she do this?  Why?

I haven't stopped crying for a solid two hours and I can't even move a muscle.  This is wrecking me.  She knows I'm Pagan.. she knows I often call myself a witch.  She had to have known how bad that comment would hurt.  It's not bad enough that I don't even feel human now, I don't even feel like a good spirit.  It's like my essential self is withered and black.

All I ever try to do is shine for everyone else.  I listen and love and help in any way I can.  How could one of my best friends say this?

I'm totally losing it right now...  :icon_cry2:
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JungianZoe

Reconnecting... looking at my books and my tools... wondering how and when I became so fragile to let someone else's issues tear me apart so thoroughly.  I need to find my inner strength and courage.  As a being of love, I need to learn to start directing some of that love inward, which I've struggled to do my entire life.

I was once a beautiful child who now struggles to see her own beauty.  Though I haven't lost my connection to others, I've lost the connection to myself.

I'm going to tell my friend that when she finds that she wants to talk to people again, that I'll be here.  With all the love in the world, I'll be here.  What I won't tell her is how incompatible a fragile soul and a (temporarily, I hope) insensitive are.  I don't have my own emotional strength yet to deal with being treated so harshly, and she believes in her heart that harshness is the way to treat people right now.  Not just me, everybody.

Until yesterday, she called me her best friend.  She said I was the only person who listened to her and didn't abandon her.  Now she can't see any of that and says the worst things to me and about me.  This loss is so sudden, which makes it all that much harder.
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Joelene9

Zoë,
  There you go!  Your thinking things out better.  Your friend is going through a lot of deep mood changes, I think you don't have a loss here.  Stay afloat here.
  Joelene
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JungianZoe

Quote from: Joelene9 on May 24, 2011, 11:28:06 PM
Zoë,
  There you go!  Your thinking things out better.  Your friend is going through a lot of deep mood changes, I think you don't have a loss here.  Stay afloat here.
  Joelene

Thank you, Joelene!  :icon_hug:

And just like that, she sends me a text saying that we shouldn't fight, we should remember the good times, forgive each other for what's happened, and talk to each other from a place of peace and love...  :icon_cry:  There's no way I could possibly turn that down.  I've already told her that I agree and forgave her what happened and asked for forgiveness from her as well.

I really just want her to be happy and healthy, and I don't want to be a part of her problems right now.  That's not how I roll with any of my friends.
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Cindy

Hi Zoe,

I think she is probably cracking up from her problems and cannot see the end of her nose for the personal situation she is in. You are her  (only?) friend and are getting the complete backlash that she wants to throw at her husband, family and life in general. You of course have your own problems that you wish very much to share with a friend and loved one. She is not that person at the moment. I suggest treating her with respect and feeling but do not get overwhelmed by her situation.  Try and be there for her. But remember she is in a very different place at the moment, in an emotional and mental sense, and she will not be there for you until she works it all through. There is no sharing of grief; people grieve alone, with help from friends, but never shared. "So your grief is as large as mine!!" . You may need to harden your resolve and take some time out. "" Yes you can phone me but I cannot meet you until Xday"" Lets have a coffee (in a public place ). Give her time if you can. Also use your emotional networks to support you. Here of course and any other close friends.

Hugs

If I can be of any help, even just for a rant,  pm me

Cindy
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V M

Wow Zoe

I really feel for you on this one... I've dealt with a similar situation in the past... Just remember that you are a wonderful person and about all you can do is be a friend whether she has the mental capacity to recognize that or not

And remember, you've got a boat load of friends here

Hugs

- Virginia
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Sephirah

It sounds like she's terrified, hon. And fear can make people act in very uncharacteristic ways. Everything she's doing is a way to distract her from that. She's lashing out at anyone and everyone because she's scared to death, and of it.

Eventually she'll realise that.

*hug* Be strong. You'll get through it. Nothing she's said about you is actually about you, take some comfort in that. She needs a friend more than ever now, even if she doesn't know it.

And so do you, so as I said before, if you ever need someone to vent to... :)
Natura nihil frustra facit.

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Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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AbraCadabra

Hi girls, hi Zoë,
now aren't you ever so nice to who sounds like one seriously disturbed BI-polar? One who is trying to manipulate every one and everything about her?
I happen to have had such a relationship. Being her best friend! And all that came from it? Having to listen to never ending complaints about her 15 year younger boy friend. Threw him out, taken him back in, over and over just about every month.

1. Folks like that are just BIG USERS under the banner of being your friend!

2. It takes two to tango! You are getting your own pay-off by running after her and sucking up like you always tried with your parent, right? You want to get her love yet folks like that have an uncanny instinct to find the ones they can squeeze and use for their own neurotic schemes. Ad infinitum.

3. It is one of those tough things to break such a spell, because you are, both of you, complementary neurotics. Both would need therapy to see the light. And that for some time.

4. Your own recounting every breath between the two of you is one sign that your relationship is completely unhealthy, yet you are stuck by trying to elicit LOVE from a person that doesn't much know what it is in the first place (at least at this stage).

5. She is trying the same thing with her husband quite sure, and he's not buying into it too well,  so you are the next best convenient victim.

Lastly, you are completely into "victim mode" and your own neuroses makes you come back for more and more pain. You need to bring this issue out in therapy to try break the spell - and get a handle on what it's like to ACTUALLY feel and be OK.

Tough love... big hug honey!

I know the black hole you're in. Been there for years on end. It can be helped but you have to be willing to work through it. There be puke and tears. Lots. It's ALL one sick chemistry between you two.
Both looking for major love and attention from the other. How on earth can this EVER work? Love is NOT where you are going to! --- Love is where you are COMING from!!!
I'm past 60, have seen my share of such and suffered to boot. Some relationship one just has to let go as they are plain poison.
Be strong, we all understand I'm sure and care, but you'll have to work through some tough stuff.
Axelle


Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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JessicaH

Bi-Polar is exactly what I was thinking. It sounds like your friend needs serious help and medication. Please watch yourself so you don't get burned by her. It's easy to get burned by those you love becasue you just want to help so bad.

Hugs,
Stacy
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annette

Hi Zoe

I think your friend is in big trouble with those neurological changes, it's good for her she will get examed medically.
Don't take it personal what she is saying to you, her mood is changing faster than the wind, apperently she can't do nothing about that.
You are the one who is quite close to her so you will get the crap down all over you.
You can hear it but you don't have to listen to it.
I think (because of the long friendship) you can treat her with empathy, I think empathy is something like maximum approaching while maintaining the necessairy distance to keep yourself in the safe zone.
Like I said, don't take it personal, I don't think it's meaned to you but you're in the neighborhood.
And...there is nothing that can compare with crying by a good movie, it's wonderfull when you're taken by the story and you can cry.
We do have something in common so, cry if you want to.
You're defenitely not selfish but a good friend who is making worries about the current situation.

hugs
Annette
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MillieB

I think Cindy and Sephirah have said everything that I wanted to say. It's not uncommon when scared people start to lash out wildly, hurting those who care the most and is in no way a sign of serious mental illness. (internet diagnosis of someone that you have never met, gotta love it  ;))

Give her time and support but give yourself space, when someone close is in chaos it's easy to get drawn into that chaos, so think about yourself too.  :)
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JungianZoe

Thank you, everyone...  :icon_hug:  This has been a really, really tricky situation.

Fact is, I was told by another friend of mine that the neurological symptoms my Russian friend is experiencing are 100% identical to what she had when she was diagnosed with MS.  Electric tingling, limb pain and paralysis, severe hot and cold skin temperature changes (I felt her skin in a hot phase and it was hotter than any human skin I've ever felt), and blurring in one eye.  And yet the naval hospital doctors told her she's making it up and she's suffering from anxiety problems.  They referred her only to a counselor.  It wasn't until she was up for two solid nights from the pain that they finally gave her a neurologist referral, and that appointment is next week (which is why she's going back to California so soon).

I looked up symptoms of early MS, and a potential symptom was a high reactivity to emotions, which usually manifests as anxiety.  Kind of like how she had that severe anxious reaction when I cried from the movie.  Another symptom is "mental fog," and my friend also says that lately, she's not able to read a single page of a book before the words start losing meaning and she can't concentrate for more than a few seconds.

So I'm terrified that she's going to go to that appointment next week and get some news that will crush her.  It's why I can't just walk away.

And no, none of these symptoms are related to bipolar disorder.  Trust me, I was married to someone who was bipolar, diagnosed and on meds.  I've seen it, studied it, and this isn't it.  I have a feeling it's something far worse.
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AbraCadabra

Hi Zoë,
MS then it maybe. I do know MS also from a former friend. "Former" because the person became totally insufferable.
Both server BI-polar (there being 1, 2, 3, 4) or MS are related to terrible mood swings. MS with loads more physical pain as I have seen it. Also paranoia and what not. Didn't get that in your relating the story. It sounds you are right, yet this being even more sad and traumatic then BI-polar.

I for one could not handle it. An impossible case. I'd have to be up next for mental counselling if much longer exposed, so I withdrew. The person turned absolutely evil and manipulating as I never experienced before and thankfully after.

Lots of luck,
Axelle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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JungianZoe

Quote from: Sarah7 on May 26, 2011, 11:57:23 PM
I really hope you are wrong and it isn't something so awful as MS - and that the two of you can salvage your friendship. All my best wishes your way.

I hope I'm wrong too... one of my really close friends has it, and it's so hard to watch her go through all of the struggles.  She's in a remission phase right now, which is the biggest relief.

So my other friend and I patched everything up.  Now she's going back home today and I'm pretty much a wreck as I was last time she left.  The sick thing is that I know why and I hate myself for it: it's jealousy.  Nasty, rotten, poisonous jealousy.  She gets to go home to someone who loves her and financial security and grad school.  I'm alone, jobless, and got rejected from all the programs I applied to.  Her and I studied together for the GRE, had the same plans in life, wanted to work together professionally, and had it all mapped out.  She's moving ahead, but I got the door shut on me.

This is my problem, I need to work through it.  I need to just get back on my feet, find a job, and submit more applications.  But how on earth can I afford grad school or manage it into my life when I'm already $60k in debt from two undergrads (don't ask) and I don't have a single penny to my name right now?  I feel like I'm in debt for the rest of my life and can't find a decent job to work my way out because my degree won't get me anywhere without graduate study.  And how on earth will I ever be able to finish transition too?

I'm so depressed these days I can barely manage to get out of bed and I cry about 4 hours a day for seemingly no reason.  Really wish I could see my therapist but I don't even have enough in my bank account now for a single session.

All this stupid stuff.  It's now wonder I'm such a bad friend. :icon_cry:
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MillieB

I can relate Zoe, years and years of study just means that I have a nice looking CV for people to throw in the bin! I know that it doesn't help but I can relate.

M xx
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AbraCadabra

Woopsy honey bunch,
Zoë, first step always to get real and own up. Great to come clean about jealousy (such a natural female thing) we can't help it, yet it hurts. OF COURSE!
Also is looking, as I said, for love on the outside. No good but most do.
Girlie find hubby to take care, um. (At least for a while...)

So, why not have 1:1 with some t-girl to kick and stir stuff that holds you back?
Therapist mostly listens and only help you find YOUR way in any case.
It never be like mum or dad who TELL you what to do. Not welcome anyhow. Pain of growing up? Yes, of course!
And t-girl growing up even a bigger challenge. Have to become strong but not bitchy or bitter. Not easy. Tell me.

Have to activate support "mechanism" best you can muster.
Self had one crap psychiatrist "gate-keeper" of no help but just learning to get strong. First almost killing me. Found better, only after more suffering.
But first lesson: never give up. Don't want to join 50% that give up before 30!
If it does not kill you it will make you stronger, they say. Some truth to that honey.

By support-mechanism I mean you need REAL people. Not girlie babes just sob with you into your tea cup. Therapist (good one) will do but there are alternatives if $$$ is tight.
No idea about your pre- or post-op status, RLE or HRT so that is all I can say for now.

Axelle


Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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Lee

I'm glad to hear that she got in for testing.  Hopefully they can figure out what's going on, and you can get a better idea of how to approach the situation.  Until then just remember that you're her friend and not her psychologist.  You don't have to be with her when she's causing you pain like that.  Have you considered suggesting that she speak with someone about the current issues in her life?

Edit: Remember that you're awesome despite what she or anyone says.  :icon_hug:
Oh I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love

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JungianZoe

And so it rears its ugly head again...

I try calling my friend tonight and, for the millionth time in a row, she doesn't pick up the phone.  Yet every time we talk, she accuses me of never calling her.  So I send her a text asking why she's dropped off the face of the earth this past week.  She calls me and just asks me what's up.  I said "nothing."  She said "okay" and hung up.  Then she sent me a text saying that she doesn't need negativity in her life right now because grad school is tough and that's why she can't talk to anybody.  I asked if that was why she hung up on me.

So then she calls me back and rants for three and a half solid minutes, saying that I'm a bad friend, I'm always negative, she doesn't have time for anyone (not even her mom) because grad school is tough and she's at that level now and I just don't understand it.  And then she has her husband to take care of too, apparently.  Basically, she made me feel like total crap given what happened to me and grad school apps and the fact that I've been alone for three and a half years.  She knows I'm lonely and depressed about my grad school rejections, so why does she always twist the knife into my deepest wounds?  After the three and a half minute rant, she hung up again without letting me speak at all.

She also informs me that the only time she can talk is 1am my time, and so it's my fault that we don't talk because I'm asleep.  In other words, I get to make all the sacrifices for this friendship, and if I complain, I'm a bad friend (which is something she now calls me all the time).

And so now I've stayed up so she can call me.  In five minutes, I'm telling her that I don't want her to call me again.  Or text.  Or anything.  I'm done with her hurting me...
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