one thing i was curious about has anyone had a increase in genital sensitivity after srs , say as a result of nerves that werent exposed now being exposed, or generally does it always decrease in sensetivity or stay the same
due to being held back for srs too long I had to have a colo-vaginoplasty which meant most of the sensitive penis skin was cut off and lacking the sensitive outer and interior of the GG then I have to say I definitely lost a lot and won't be getting any as I lack the genital skin that does provide the sexy feelings.
this is the reason why surgery needs to be done before the penis and scrotum shrinks too much.
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 09, 2012, 05:36:55 AM
due to being held back for srs too long I had to have a colo-vaginoplasty which meant most of the sensitive penis skin was cut off and lacking the sensitive outer and interior of the GG then I have to say I definitely lost a lot and won't be getting any as I lack the genital skin that does provide the sexy feelings.
this is the reason why surgery needs to be done before the penis and scrotum shrinks too much.
that absolutely sucks , hopefully one day medical science will catch up and be able to repair nerves , so that can be fixed
how come is youre situation
common*
there seems to be a lot of disagreement about shrinkage from hormones , a lot of my friends say they havent experienced any at all after years of being on hormones and then some others say that they did experience it quite quickly .
well when I saw the first surgeon he said 'in case like you I can only make a slit not a proper vagina' so it is common but of course there doesn't seem any statistics about it and considering the variation in original penises it may be that surgeons are regularly faced with little ones but aren't concerned whether its naturally small or shrunken from hormones and disuse.
well my orgasms are wayyy better now then before, i dont need a vibrator or anything just rubbing gets me to orgasm very quickly. I dont wanna be too graphic but I am verrrry happy with my sensations, now if only my vagina would loosen up and relax so i didnt still have to dilate multiple times a day 10 months post op id be perfect lol.
Quote from: Deila l still have to dilate multiple times a day 10 months post op id be perfect lol.
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I found that not dilating but just using jelly and a finger made it relax and surgeon said same so perhaps you could try the same?
Can we assume that getting a new vagina to open up is not the same as getting a penis into action and just like a GGs vagina
ours need the right frame of mind to relax and not the 'time to accept the dilator' approach?
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 09, 2012, 05:36:55 AM
due to being held back for srs too long I had to have a colo-vaginoplasty which meant most of the sensitive penis skin was cut off and lacking the sensitive outer and interior of the GG then I have to say I definitely lost a lot and won't be getting any as I lack the genital skin that does provide the sexy feelings.
this is the reason why surgery needs to be done before the penis and scrotum shrinks too much.
Was that from the inversion technique?
For me sensitivity has increased, but not in a good way. My bf cannot touch my clitoris as it's just way too sensitive to the point of being painful. I could even think about having it removed.
As for erogenous feeling, that has decreased. The genital area doesn't give the same pleasurable sensations that it did before surgery, although it is still sensitive enough to produce orgasm, but orgasms are weaker.
There is some sensation internally but I haven't had sex yet so I don't know whether it would be pleasurable or not.
Edit: I should add, I'm 1.5yrs post-op.
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 09, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
[quote author=Deila l still have to dilate multiple times a day 10 months post op id be perfect lol.
I found that not dilating but just using jelly and a finger made it relax and surgeon said same so perhaps you could try the same?
Can we assume that getting a new vagina to open up is not the same as getting a penis into action and just like a GGs vagina
ours need the right frame of mind to relax and not the 'time to accept the dilator' approach?
i hope this doesnt sound too vulgar but is it similiar in how you have to relax the muscles for anal sex , be in the right frame of mind etc , i know if your stressed or dont trust them person/ are nervous that whole area contracts and you cant get anything inside
is it like that with a neovagina , sorry if that question sounds ridiculious lol / ignorant
ugh. never tried anal sex but I do know the anal muscle is definitely not intended for more than a few seconds use so if it can be made to relax then its outside my experience and likely to stay that way.
I do know the the muscle does weaken to the point that 'messy leaking' is a serious issue for analists and had a pre-op friend whose b/f preferred anal sex until eventualy the pre-op needed a very expensive and serious op that has forever ruined the natural anal situation.
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this nervous tightening reflex is what that stupid woman doctor claimed was the sign that all those children had been anally sex abused in north of UK some years back.
All thsoe of us who have chnaged and washed our babies know that their little anusses tighten up when washed so why this stupoid doctor took that as a sign of sex abuse must mean she is pretty sick in the head?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_child_abuse_scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_child_abuse_scandal)
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 10, 2012, 12:51:07 AM
ugh. never tried anal sex but I do know the anal muscle is definitely not intended for more than a few seconds use so if it can be made to relax then its outside my experience and likely to stay that way.
I do know the the muscle does weaken to the point that 'messy leaking' is a serious issue for analists and had a pre-op friend whose b/f preferred anal sex until eventualy the pre-op needed a very expensive and serious op that has forever ruined the natural anal situation.
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this nervous tightening reflex is what that stupid woman doctor claimed was the sign that all those children had been anally sex abused in north of UK some years back.
All thsoe of us who have chnaged and washed our babies know that their little anusses tighten up when washed so why this stupoid doctor took that as a sign of sex abuse must mean she is pretty sick in the head?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_child_abuse_scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_child_abuse_scandal)
im a bit skeptical of that i know people who have had anal sex for years and never had that problem
go ask the doctors of male prisons.
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 10, 2012, 01:40:24 AM
go ask the doctors of male prisons.
rape is a little bit different than consensual sex , it can also damage a womans vagina badly
Excuse me... I dont know why, but I cringe every time I read these posts lol... 40somethingmm etc, veiny, la la, TMI maybe?
Quote from: mementomori on May 10, 2012, 01:41:42 AM
rape is a little bit different than consensual sex , it can also damage a womans vagina badly
my pre-op friend wasn't being raped but still had to have a painful messy op that has left her with a lifelong problem.
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 10, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
my pre-op friend wasn't being raped but still had to have a painful messy op that has left her with a lifelong problem.
maybe he boyfriend was ruff ? you can assume she is telling you all the details . i find it a little disturbing how youre using terms like analists etc . you should spread flawed information . its not different to people spreading disinformation and ignorance about sexual reassigment surgery
Very much post op and don't be offended its just a lot for a 22 year old to take in I guess
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 09, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
[quote author=Deila l still have to dilate multiple times a day 10 months post op id be perfect lol.
I found that not dilating but just using jelly and a finger made it relax and surgeon said same so perhaps you could try the same?
Can we assume that getting a new vagina to open up is not the same as getting a penis into action and just like a GGs vagina
ours need the right frame of mind to relax and not the 'time to accept the dilator' approach?
for me its not so much a relaxation issue usually, i tried to go down to dilating once a day and i literally woke up only able to get a pen inside myself one morning i was like theres no way i went through 9 months of this for nothing so i relaxed used the pen and then eventually had to shove my smallest dilator in, the sensation was close to what it feels like scraping your knee on concret but im not complaining because i got it in so now im using my 2 smallest dilators twice a day whichj isnt so bad and im gonna work up to my largest dilator and im not gonna bother trying once a day again until all my dilatotors just slide right in. Im also looking into getting a smallish jelly dildoe to just leave inside for a few hours a day.
Delia,
no one seems to make a jelly dilator/dildo that is ideal for a newish post-op fighting tightness issues.
That ring of muscle about 1.5/2inches deep needs to be stretched but as we naturally sit on it it keeps wanting to close up.
The only thing I found clsoe enough to ideal was (ironically) a jelly butt plug that could be used and left in overnight as the big flat handle piece made sure it didn't slip in past the muscle and get stuck and need a trip to a medic to get it fished out.
Having to go to an emergency room to have a 'foreign object' retrieved from a vagina by a medic would be the ultimate validation of femaleness as medics are very used to removing objects from GGs.
that is a great idea, thank you! I shall look into it, did you ever walk around outside with it inside of you? At this sex toy shop they sell kinda big penis shaped but plugs with the base that im thinking of shoving up there for a few hours a day.
Quote from: Deila on May 12, 2012, 11:39:40 AM
that is a great idea, thank you! I shall look into it, did you ever walk around outside with it inside of you? At this sex toy shop they sell kinda big penis shaped but plugs with the base that im thinking of shoving up there for a few hours a day.
Well I tried THAT... the problem?
Butt-plugs narrow down sharply toward the 'end-flange' the part to prevent it slipping all in.
This is designed for the first ring-muscle/sphincter of the anus.
At least my vj has that first ring-muscle (sphincter) some 1 ½" in, so the 'flange' will prevent it going in deep enough to stay put.
The vj sphincter will be in front of this neck, just about at the thickest part for the plug, and as soon as you get up it be ejected.
No one panty be 'strong enough' to keep this thing in place.
Speaking from experience.
ty for the reply, but I shall find a way even if I have to make my own.
Quote from: Deila on May 12, 2012, 12:23:16 PM
ty for the reply, but I shall find a way even if I have to make my own.
Hum, good luck :)
Quite true Axelle, but have you tried?
Experience does count even these days.
Most butt plugs are actually wrong as they have the big long part with a short thin neck neck while what we need is a big short end and thick long neck.
This is about what we need: biggish end to stay in place beyond the muscle with a big enough shaft to keep the muscles stretched to about 1.4 inches/35mm. Its a lot more more expensive than I paid but all sex toys have massive amrk-ups.
http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=19206 (http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=19206)
I have a similar one with same sizes but I can't find it listed now so no use me putting a link to it.
This looks big enough to do the job and short enough to not cause damage if you sit down a bit too hard but shoudl be OK to leave in all night.
http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=15190 (http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=15190)
It woudl be good to be able to see a full selection of dildos and plugs but do shops have them all on display?
I only ever ventured into a sex shop once and hurried out when I saw there was frogman's suit on a model by the door.
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 12, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
Quite true Axelle, but have you tried?
Experience does count even these days.
To say it again: "
Well I tried THAT..." and "
Speaking from experience" , so yes, I have tried as in: speaking from experience :)
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Most butt plugs are actually wrong as they have the big long part with a short thin neck neck while what we need is a big short end and thick long neck.
Quite right this too. But there are some exceptions, though they are too small in size/diameter to even bother. Again speaking from experience.
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This is about what we need: biggish end to stay in place beyond the muscle with a big enough shaft to keep the muscles stretched to about 1.4 inches/35mm. Its a lot more more expensive than I paid but all sex toys have massive amrk-ups.
http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=19206 (http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=19206)
Jeepes... those suction cups will make you walk like I did - one week after SRS. No good, nah.
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I have a similar one with same sizes but I can't find it listed now so no use me putting a link to it.
This looks big enough to do the job and short enough to not cause damage if you sit down a bit too hard but shoudl be OK to leave in all night.
http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=15190 (http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=15190)
Length: 5.75 inches !!! --- TitanMen, eh :)
You may want to sit on that lot - not me. I'd be sitting on my peritoneal reflection (bone) and all I may say, tears in my eyes. No, please, too much!
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It woudl be good to be able to see a full selection of dildos and plugs but do shops have them all on display?
I only ever ventured into a sex shop once and hurried out when I saw there was frogman's suit on a model by the door.
Oh, well - toys, eh?
Something for different tastes. Frogman's suits, really? Must be for doing some muff diving then, he he.
Axélle
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 10, 2012, 12:51:07 AM
ugh. never tried anal sex but I do know the anal muscle is definitely not intended for more than a few seconds use so if it can be made to relax then its outside my experience and likely to stay that way.
I do know the the muscle does weaken to the point that 'messy leaking' is a serious issue for analists and had a pre-op friend whose b/f preferred anal sex until eventualy the pre-op needed a very expensive and serious op that has forever ruined the natural anal situation.
..................................
this nervous tightening reflex is what that stupid woman doctor claimed was the sign that all those children had been anally sex abused in north of UK some years back.
All thsoe of us who have chnaged and washed our babies know that their little anusses tighten up when washed so why this stupoid doctor took that as a sign of sex abuse must mean she is pretty sick in the head?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_child_abuse_scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_child_abuse_scandal)
I've known gay guys in their 60's who have had more anal sex than I've had hot meals and not one of them reported any such issues.. Can't say I've personally had such an issue either.. Could it happen? Sure, I suppose so.. But it's far from the major issue you make it out to be...
Analists? Really? I think you need to get over your homophobia or at least learn to not make it so obvious..
analist is a perfectly good short way of saying 'men and women who like anal sex?' :D
meanwhile out in the real world the real facts of anal sex are:
but don't let that stop you.
Edit: Link removed.
Quote from: Axelle on May 13, 2012, 04:30:22 AM
To say it again: "Well I tried THAT..." and "Speaking from experience" , so yes, I have tried as in: speaking from experience :)
Quite right this too. But there are some exceptions, though they are too small in size/diameter to even bother. Again speaking from experience.
Jeepes... those suction cups will make you walk like I did - one week after SRS. No good, nah.
Length: 5.75 inches !!! --- TitanMen, eh :)
You may want to sit on that lot - not me. I'd be sitting on my peritoneal reflection (bone) and all I may say, tears in my eyes. No, please, too much!
Oh, well - toys, eh?
Something for different tastes. Frogman's suits, really? Must be for doing some muff diving then, he he.
Axélle
I did say the various plugs were to be used during sleep when there won''t be any sitting,
I understand the suction cups are removable so their size won't be a problem.
5.75 inches is the over all length with 5 inches usable and most sex change surgeon aim to get such a depth anyway.
Edit: derogatory comment removed.
That website has information / advice on sexuality change and a section on christianity , I wouldn't trust any site that is christian based on this subject . Religious dogma and science should remain separate , if you're going to criticize anal sex as being unatural then I find that ironic considering srs is hardly " natural " in the traditional sense
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 14, 2012, 02:03:20 AM
analist is a perfectly good short way of saying 'men and women who like anal sex?' :D
meanwhile out in the real world the real facts of anal sex are:
but don't let that stop you.
I can't find any reference for the word 'analist' that agrees with your statement, please provide a reference..
And that was hardly a large study.. And the results don't seem to make it as large a problem as you seem to make out.. Oh, and I've never used a plug and can't think of anyone I know that does/did.. Given what I know of plugs, they are more likely to be the issue than anal sex..
Edit: Link removed.
Quote from: kelly_aus on May 14, 2012, 02:31:53 AM
I can't find any reference for the word 'analist' that agrees with your statement, please provide a reference..
And that was hardly a large study.. And the results don't seem to make it as large a problem as you seem to make out.. Oh, and I've never used a plug and can't think of anyone I know that does/did.. Given what I know of plugs, they are more likely to be the issue than anal sex..
id like to know how many of the people studied enganged in other acitivies like fisting etc that would obviously cause damage
I'm a lot more sensitive and it's the first time I've really been able to have orgasms since HRT. I was circumcised though as a child so I do wonder if it fixed some damage caused by that.
Quote from: Sarah7 on May 09, 2012, 03:08:31 PM
Uh... I'm not sure that's really answerable. Everything is in different places, so it's a bit apples and oranges. I'm 11 weeks post-op. My clit is basically too sensitive to touch directly / unpleasant to touch. I have zero sensation in my inner labia lips. And semi-sensation in the outer ones.
The only things that really have any erogenous feeling are immediately inside the vaginal channel, and around the clit / clit hood. Not enough to orgasm, which is... frustrating. Unlike some girls my sex drive is very much alive and not super pleased that I haven't been able to do much for 2 and 1/2 months.
But I'm early on, and the nerves should sort themselves out a bit better over the next few months. Tiny bit impatient though.
Who performed your surgery? I am over two years post op (Meltzer) and just starting to have intense orgasms. There is a lot of relearning to do!
Quote from: mementomori on May 14, 2012, 03:27:34 AM
id like to know how many of the people studied enganged in other acitivies like fisting etc that would obviously cause damage
Actually tried a little of that with my GF. pretty intense, but she has small hands ;)
Quote from: Jenna Renee on May 16, 2012, 03:36:02 PM
Who performed your surgery? I am over two years post op (Meltzer) and just starting to have intense orgasms. There is a lot of relearning to do!
Thanks for sharing :)
I'm 8 month, never thought: "
There is a lot of relearning to do!"In my case after dilating, I most all the time have hardly ANY incentive to fiddle any more with my crotch...
Low libido doesn't help much either. I'm numb AND oversensitive, if that makes some sense.
Reading my chick-lit, the more saucy part, actually leaves me jealous, when on my part feeling so... disinterested. I guess only time will tell.
Life, um.
Axélle
Quote from: Sarah7 on May 17, 2012, 02:50:42 PM
Dr. Brassard. And oh my god I hope I don't have to wait that long. I will die of sexual frustration. I swear.
I was able to achieve an orgasm by myself with much effort about 6 months in. It took my longer with a partner and we were trying for almost a year before it happened. But I think that there were a lot of mental challenges for me to unravel. Mind you, I went back for stage #2 (Meltzer's technique that has it's pros and cons) after 3 months so I was just starting to feel better when I had to recover all over again. The labiaplasty really made my hooding numb to the touch which is difficult to get used to, however, applying sustained pressure to that area does get me to the point of orgasm if I am in the right frame of mind. direct stimulation of my clit only feels good when I am really aroused. Also the same for the g-spot. It feels good only when I am really aroused. Then I want to push myself to the limit. I have to say that Meltzer's technique is really good for maintained depth and ability to strech. Sorry it this was TMI. Just trying to help. I know how frustrating it can be, and there is not a lot of good information out there to help.
Quote from: mementomori on May 09, 2012, 05:20:18 AM
one thing i was curious about has anyone had a increase in genital sensitivity after srs , say as a result of nerves that werent exposed now being exposed, or generally does it always decrease in sensetivity or stay the same
No. However after SRS with Dr. Bowers, several years after SRS I had a secondary procedure where Dr. Chettawut repositioned my clitoris in the correct area and because of that heterosexual missionary sex is much more enjoyable and being touched in general is just overall more enjoyable. I think it also has to do with the hooding Dr. Chettawut created to protect the clit from abrasion. Being closer to the area it belongs, the clit get's bumped during actual sex which is a good thing whereas previously it was MIA.
Quote from: Noey Nooneson on May 24, 2012, 03:55:46 PM
No. However after SRS with Dr. Bowers, several years after SRS I had a secondary procedure where Dr. Chettawut repositioned my clitoris in the correct area and because of that heterosexual missionary sex is much more enjoyable and being touched in general is just overall more enjoyable. I think it also has to do with the hooding Dr. Chettawut created to protect the clit from abrasion. Being closer to the area it belongs, the clit get's bumped during actual sex which is a good thing whereas previously it was MIA.
How does the the hooding feel? Mine is numb over the clit. I am fearful of more proceedures that may cause loss of additional sensation. I can orgasm, so that good, but have never been happy with the psition or look of my clit. I would appreciate a little more detail on you Chettawut proceedure.
Marci Bowers positioned my clitoris so that it was touching my urethra, Dr. Chettawut repositioned it above the urethra. He created a space between the urethra and the clitoris because previously there was no space between the two. He also removed some of the sagging, mis-sutured skin from the outer labia and used that skin to graft over the area where clitoris used to be.
He warned me that I might loose sensitivity and tried to discourage me. I told him that having a vagina that looked right was more important than being able to orgasm and that I was more than happy to risk it.
As far as I can tell Dr. Chettawut does really quality work. Honestly I feel more sensitive after surgery. Also Dr. Chettawut got rid of some erectile tissue that Marci Bowers left behind. If I am able to save up more money I would like to go back and have Dr. Chettawut try to construct inner labia. I don't know why Marci Bowers put the clitoris next to the urethra and to one side of it.