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Would you take the pill?

Nope.  If I did, I wouldn't be me and I like me (albeit I'll like me more when I transition).

I'm leery of any pill that affects my brain because they tend to have horrible effects on me.

Never. Being a woman is the most wonderful gift.  :)

Heck yes!   That would be waaaaay less expensive than transitioning.  Plus I wouldn't have to deal with the mental torment every freaking second in my mind over the fact that I am not biologically male.

I would not take any such pill, but I would step into a magic machine that let me be a cis woman! I would also from time to time go into the machine to turn into a cis male, but not very often , would spend 90% of the time as a woman. (this is why i voted other)

In a heartbeat! I was a damn hot guy! :p

It's too late for me.  I already did everything the hard way.  But yes, if you had approached me before transition I would have taken the pill just to be normal.

?   Define 'normal'.

The more I see so called 'normal' people, the more I prefer the craziness of being me.

yeah, sounds a lot easier than hormones and surgery plus issues with family and friends, baggage and well not passing necessarily. Ask me if I would currently rather have a normal pill making me happy with my birth gender or becoming completely female, you might get another response though.

Probably not. Mainly because my sense of self and self-identity comes from my mind, from within myself. And it's taken me a good long time to realise that, actually, I already am "normal" in this context. I'm not someone trying to be someone else. Who I am is who I am. I just have a few anatomical discrepencies to deal with.

Altering that with a pill would place the emphasis on the anatomy instead. It's the biology which is abnormal, in my view, not the psychology or even spirituality. I am so much more than a body, or sexual organs, and I don't want to change that now I've finally come to terms with it and what it means to me. Altering 90% to fit the other 10% seems somehow... wrong.

Quote from: caliyr on May 30, 2012, 07:36:17 PM
Would you take the pill?

Normalcy is way over-rated.

Quote from: The Original Cami on May 30, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
In a heartbeat! I was a damn hot guy! :p

Doesn't mean you can't be a damn hot girl.

Quote from: Jamie D on May 30, 2012, 09:45:52 PM
Doesn't mean you can't be a damn hot girl.

LOL! I'm trying !

Quote from: Jamie D on May 30, 2012, 09:45:52 PM
Doesn't mean you can't be a damn hot girl.

(Psst, She already is.  Don't tell her I said that tho. )

For real! she's got a big enough ego already! :p

ahh but how would this said pill work on a inter sexed person? As some choose to have an operation and some do not. Some are still assigned a sex at birth and then later that person says "uh uh. no way, that's not me"

I still think the autopsies of mft and ftm brains shows that something is up, the brains are not the same as the anatomical outside shell (that is before they transitioned) Hence it is my opinion that transsexuals while not showing any signs that are obvious like male and female parts at birth, still have something that is different inside the brain.

Yes, I'd take it, or a pill that would make me instantly cis male, but it would have to also make me forget all the pain and discomfort of living as my wrong sex. 

Quote from: ShawnTOShawnna on May 30, 2012, 10:42:22 PM
ahh but how would this said pill work on a inter sexed person? As some choose to have an operation and some do not. Some are still assigned a sex at birth and then later that person says "uh uh. no way, that's not me"

I still think the autopsies of mft and ftm brains shows that something is up, the brains are not the same as the anatomical outside shell (that is before they transitioned) Hence it is my opinion that transsexuals while not showing any signs that are obvious like male and female parts at birth, still have something that is different inside the brain.

The problem for a lot of intersex people is they get even less say at birth than trans people, because doctors still perform unnecessary surgeries on the genitals of intersex babies because it will be "easier" to raise them with "normal" genitals.   I recommend the documentary Intersexion [/url]http://www.tigerhowarddevorephd.com/2011/07/18/intersexions-is-she-or-isnt-he/ (http://www.tigerhowarddevorephd.com/2011/07/18/intersexions-is-she-or-isnt-he/)

Hmm.  So it wouldn't change my gender, it'd just make me feel ok about my body.  That complicates things...

If it actually changed my gender, it'd be an obvious no, since then I wouldn't be me anymore.  Rationally it'd be a good idea (assuming it's an ideal hypothetical pill with no risk), but it goes against some pretty deep instincts to let myself be changed like that.

But if I keep my gender and just feel good in my body as it is...  it would still make things easier for me, and it's very tempting, but it sounds like some kind of happy pill.  Something to take and forget my problems.  I've already tried letting myself be prescribed more and more "happy pills" until my mind was mush and I couldn't feel anything.  I'm still on one of them, but overdoing it was one of the things that contributed to me considering the previous decade a partial disaster for me.

So no.  Although admittedly I may be biased and taking too much of my emotional baggage into the question.

No because I'm happy with my gender. It's not being a buxom, blonde, bimbo, sex bomb that lets me down. >:-)

Maybe at six years of ago, but not now.  I am having too much fun.

Quote from: LordKAT on May 30, 2012, 09:32:38 PM
?   Define 'normal'.
The more I see so called 'normal' people, the more I prefer the craziness of being me.

I feel the same, and by normal I meant "someone who is content with their gender"

Quote from: Sephirah on May 30, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
It's the biology which is abnormal, in my view, not the psychology or even spirituality. I am so much more than a body, or sexual organs, and I don't want to change that now I've finally come to terms with it and what it means to me. Altering 90% to fit the other 10% seems somehow... wrong.

Couldnt have said it any better.

Quote from: ShawnTOShawnna on May 30, 2012, 10:42:22 PM

I still think the autopsies of mft and ftm brains shows that something is up, the brains are not the same as the anatomical outside shell (that is before they transitioned) Hence it is my opinion that transsexuals while not showing any signs that are obvious like male and female parts at birth, still have something that is different inside the brain.

We must be the "new race" of human race or something! :D Just kidding, of course.

I would have taken it when I was younger and thought I would never be able to do anything about all this, but not now.

Of course. Unless one is quite advanced in transition and it would be even more of a struggle to go back, I see no logical reason to not want such a pill. Who on earth would WANT to feel pain and spend a fortune to just acquire the ability to be happy if they can have it to begin with? However, let's be realistic: it's entirely impossible. No pill can change how people feel about things, let alone something as deeply rooted as gender identity.

Quote from: A on May 31, 2012, 12:05:20 PMUnless one is quite advanced in transition and it would be even more of a struggle to go back, [...] let's be realistic: it's entirely impossible. No pill can change how people feel about things, let alone something as deeply rooted as gender identity.

I never mentioned anything like its impossible, this question is a supposition, and the question did not include how far one did go in transition, its a mental thing, if people would have chosen to get "happiness" in the easy way, with a simple pill if such existed, or they would have gone thru transition instead. Transition isnt only pain. (my opinion tho)

I know, I know. I just tend to be a party breaker naturally~.

Anyway, what do you think is good with transition, if you take out the fact that it brings you closer to your true self? I can't see it...

The concept of what is "normal" always has and always will be defined by the prejudices of the person in power using it. Any such pill would only be transforming yourself into someone else's ideal. I guess it beats mass murder, but not by much.

Personally, I only take pills to resolve diseases. I find being unique a gift and not a disease. I'd almost say the "normal" is a disease, but it's actually more of a fantasy. There really isn't any such thing as normal. Whether it's being transgender or being five feet tall or being born in Ohio, your various characteristics define who you are. And who you are is OK and maybe even great. I know I am.

~ Lyric ~

Quote from: caliyr on May 31, 2012, 06:25:45 AM
I feel the same, and by normal I meant "someone who is content with their gender"

I'm content with my gender.  I'm not content with my sex.  As a friend put it, I'm male, but my body never got the memo.

I already take a "normal" pill, it is called Estradiol.

Paraphrased from Arawn:

I'm content with my gender.  I'm not content with my sex.  I'm female, but my body never got the memo.

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This is a great question. I've been thinking a lot about for days.

At this point in my life with the level of plain ole self-acceptance I've achieved I think not. I really do believe being trans has been a gift. We do see the world and the people in way "Normal" people simply cannot.

3, 30, 40, even 50 years ago there sure would have been a different answer. There are times even now I may wish there was, that does not last for long.

Do I feel better about myself because I am now living my life somewhat as a "Normal" woman? You bet. Would I be a better person if I had a "Normal Pill"? I think not.

I think the closest analogy for us can be found in the movie "Harvey", one of my absolute top 10 movies. Given the chance to be "normal" Jimmy Stewart opts for the procedure because of all the pressure from family and friends. When they all suddenly realize that he will indeed be a normal typical person ( aka grumpy PITA with no joy of the world around them ), they have a change of heart.

Quote from: Sephirah on May 30, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
Probably not. Mainly because my sense of self and self-identity comes from my mind, from within myself. And it's taken me a good long time to realise that, actually, I already am "normal" in this context. I'm not someone trying to be someone else. Who I am is who I am. I just have a few anatomical discrepencies to deal with.

Altering that with a pill would place the emphasis on the anatomy instead. It's the biology which is abnormal, in my view, not the psychology or even spirituality. I am so much more than a body, or sexual organs, and I don't want to change that now I've finally come to terms with it and what it means to me. Altering 90% to fit the other 10% seems somehow... wrong.

This!

Why it took me so long to figure it out? Who can say?

Always was a 'slow developer'... hum

Axélle

Some related posts:

If you could alter your past which would you prefer?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=8091.0 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=8091.0)

If you could take a magic wand and make your feelings disappear and live the life you were physically born as, would you?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=56778.0 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=56778.0)

What is Transitioning really?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=3241.0 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=3241.0)

No. It's erasing me, and I don't like to be erased.

Plus I don't see why I should live as the opposite gender again.

I would throw those pills right back at the cis person who offered them and walk away.

Quote from: The Original Cami on May 30, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
In a heartbeat! I was a damn hot guy! :p

Looks to me like you are a danged hot gal. ;)


BTW, normal is a dryer setting!

--Jay Jay

I think the presumption here is that the biological is being equated with the physical sex which is challenging enough when issues of intersexuality comes up... What then? Regardless, I do think there is at least some biological or genetic component to the way our mind/brain has developed as transsexuals. So, here is the thing, the pill I would want is one that changed my body in line with my mind rather than erasing the feelings I have in my mind to be happy with my body. Now, if there was a pill that allowed me to instantly alter society to being open and accepting that would be fantastic... It would have to be a pretty powerful pill though!

Quote from: grrl1nside on June 09, 2012, 03:39:07 PM
I think the presumption here is that the biological is being equated with the physical sex which is challenging enough when issues of intersexuality comes up... What then?

If the pill changed gender to match sex, then in that case I suppose it'd make somebody an androgyne.

I wouldn't take it even if it was offered for free. I AM NORMAL. Accepting this "normal" pill is like saying you're in denial of who you really are. And how does one even define NORMAL? Are transsexual abnormal?? Handing me this pill is like a slap in the face.

I voted 'other' because I'm still not sure. I'm still in the process of discovering exactly what I want. There are just so many factors to take into consideration.

Also what does it mean to "feel good"?

Does it mean that you never had thoughts of the opposite gender?

So many things depend definitions.

  I voted other.  There is no such animal as a panacea, not in this world at least.  Ask Ponce de Leon.  If everybody was 'normal', this human world would not advance, but collapse.  It is the 'abnormal' that gave us our advances to better the human condition as well as those that would cause death and destruction as well.  It is that balance that keeps this world going.  It is those groups who want extreme 'normalcy' by their standards that bring upon themselves the stifling dictators. 
  We have to live out our lives on this planet with our differences, no matter what that is and we will have to live with the rewards and consequences of our conditions.  As I stated before that if I had the treatments available today back 50 years ago, my outcome might have been quite different today.  Of course, that didn't happen in the 1960's, but the advances on our condition of GID because of the brave Christine Jorgensons and the Reneé Richards' of that time helped to advance the treatment options, knowledge and the tolerance towards our condition. 
  Joelene