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Title: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 03, 2013, 09:57:38 AM
and if i'm not alone in my opinion, why is the topic of dilation relatively less mentioned?? eg i never knew it is so painful to cough with a dilator inside, what dynamic dilation is before, or just how much a year's regime takes a toll on one's patience and tolerence. it hurts during and after, right about before the next session...i feel like i'm running out of steam here even when it has just been 2.5 mths post op...

sorry for the venting...
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Vicky on April 03, 2013, 12:05:40 PM
I am at ten weeks now, and at worst my dilation is a messy nuisance by this time.  My first couple of weeks though were fire on wheels.  I had a minor set back though in the form of a yeast infection that turned every suture line into an open trail of pain when I inserted to dilator.  When that was under control though, things were still uncomfortable and more than a little depressing, but I did learn some things that helped and have made life come to a point where I can deal with the discomfort.

Be sure you have enough lubricant on the dilator itself, but do not over do it.  A film of lubricant all over it from tip to top mark, but so the stuff is not hanging off in gobs.

Take time as you are inserting the dilator, and slowly "tease" it into the opening, if necessary, rotate it a bit to advance it in to depth. The massaging of rotating it can help things. If you hit a sore spot, pull it back out and wait until the pain stops, and you will usually be able to go past the spot with comfort. The entire insertion exercise counts on your time, not just the time you are at full depth. Pumping the dilator just a bit keeps the tissue inside from pinching on itself. Ramming the dilator in like its a nail you are pounding into a board will hurt badly.

Body position helps as well, keep head low and put a thick folded towel under your hips to straighten out the vaginal cavity, keep the towel just up from your butt crack to avoid a problem there.  Keep your legs with your knees up, and apart at shoulder width like you want to wrap your legs around a partners body when the time comes for penetrative sex.

As for the coughing and sneezing, I actually sneezed once, and I had taken my hand off the dilator to cover the sneeze, I shot the darn thing out about six inches from my crotch.  If you feel a sneeze or cough coming on,  pull the dilator out half way, and it will become bearable.

If you are still having real pain though, check with your surgeon, or go to a gynecologist if your surgeon is miles away and have them see if there is a real reason in the form of a yeast or other infection.

I did not believe any of this when a friend first told me either, but give it a try, and you can fib about discovering this all on your own!!
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 03, 2013, 01:20:30 PM
At 4 weeks post-op, I have little pain from dilation to speak of. No severe pain. Haven't used any painkillers either, nor any narcotic meds. I have heard some stories from other girls, but this has not been my experience (knocks on wood). As long you are inserting the dilator properly... at a 45° downward angle going in, and then leveling off to a more or less flat 0° parallel plane level with your flat torso lying down... and not pushing too hard, I've experienced little to no pain, but more a mild level of discomfort... like a hard plastic tube is stuck in there, stretching stuff... which it is.  ;D The time it takes to dilate, and having to live your life around it for the first 6 months or so does suck. I agree with you there.

If you are still experiencing pain at this time, I'd advise talking to your surgeon.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Nicole on April 03, 2013, 04:22:46 PM
For me it was the most boring thing I've ever done.

Now its not as bad when I do, do it.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Jenna Marie on April 03, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Like others have said, the boredom and having to do it so frequently got to me a lot more than the discomfort; I never had severe pain (but I don't do dynamic dilation, either). It did start to hurt around the 4-month mark, but my GP recommended massaging the scar tissue around the entrance gently a couple times a day and that fixed it.

You definitely do want to be in the position that Vicky suggests, and personally I found it a huge help to buy a vaginal applicator (like they sell with yeast infection kits) and use it to put some lube deep inside before I actually inserted the dilator.

My sympathies! I hope it gets better for you.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Tristan on April 03, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
I guess I'm lucky as well the minor pain only lasted the first two months tops. Now sometimes it's ... Well lets just say fun ;)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: lana777 on April 04, 2013, 08:48:26 AM
i thought it was going to be such a nuisance, but it turned out i liked doing it ... kinda gave me private time away from the bf lmao. felt nice to just go lay in bed and dilate every now and then. and now its just become such a part of life that i can barely remember to do it once a week lol.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Vicky on April 04, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
OK, what is Dynamic Dilation?  I am not sure of the term.

I do move mine around once I am at depth inside, and you can get rhythmn that is vitalizing to nerves repairing their connections.  Trick to that is not so fast you burn up the lubricant or pinch yourself on a dry spot.  Gentle in and out movement can make life better at times. 
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: NJade on April 04, 2013, 08:28:26 PM
The most painful? Nah. I'll take the physical bits over the GD and the coming outs and all the emotional pain any day. Physical pain is temporary and you cannot remember the pain when it's over, just the fact that you had it.

But going to #4, or Mr. Orange to my Brassard sisters, that hurt a bunch. You really need to be generous with the lubricant. I'm 7 weeks or so from going down to just Mr. Orange and then cutting back to once a week. I'll be very happy to be able to go out of town and leave the dilator  behind.

As for the boredom, that, my dears, is what Netflix is for. Find a good TV series (I'm watching Angel right now) and just make it part of your routine. It passes the time nicely.

I'll tell you what I hated more than anything were the Sitz baths...hated.

N.J.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 04, 2013, 11:38:08 PM
seems like you are all doing fine! just to clarify i do not think the pain is excrutiating at any time, but sort of chronic soreness after a session. then it's the dilation itself which takes hours off my day. all that just kind of slowly wears my patience off..
since dilation takes up sp much of one's life post op, or at least for the first couple of months, i am surprised that the topic is often less mentioned. i would definitely suggest a dedicated section where everyone can share their experience!
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Nicole on April 04, 2013, 11:39:44 PM
Quote from: Vicky on April 04, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
OK, what is Dynamic Dilation?  I am not sure of the term.

I do move mine around once I am at depth inside, and you can get rhythmn that is vitalizing to nerves repairing their connections.  Trick to that is not so fast you burn up the lubricant or pinch yourself on a dry spot.  Gentle in and out movement can make life better at times.

If I recall, I think its intercourse.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Anatta on April 05, 2013, 12:08:09 AM
Kia Ora Milktea,

Yes it can be quite painful and time consuming...But it does get better...Perhaps this might help...

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SRS/Zen/Postop%20Maintenance.html (http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SRS/Zen/Postop%20Maintenance.html)

I dilate once every four to six weeks, it's coming up to eight years since my surgery...


Metta Zenda :)

Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 05, 2013, 02:26:03 AM
Quote from: Nicole on April 04, 2013, 11:39:44 PM
If I recall, I think its intercourse.
i wish that is the case. it is a fancy suporn term for alternating rotation and applying pressure at 15 sec intervals.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Tristan on April 05, 2013, 06:28:55 AM
Quote from: milktea on April 04, 2013, 11:38:08 PM
seems like you are all doing fine! just to clarify i do not think the pain is excrutiating at any time, but sort of chronic soreness after a session. then it's the dilation itself which takes hours off my day. all that just kind of slowly wears my patience off..
since dilation takes up sp much of one's life post op, or at least for the first couple of months, i am surprised that the topic is often less mentioned. i would definitely suggest a dedicated section where everyone can share their experience!
Your right on that. In the beginning it really is some pain there. But it will get better really soon
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Catherine Sarah on April 05, 2013, 09:21:42 AM
Not wishing to go off topic, but we are fairly close to a question I have.

Would anyone wish to comment on the pain/experience of having the packing removed.

From what I understand, this packing is considerably larger than even the largest dilator.

Is there much associated in this process?

I appreciate your comments.

Huggs
Catherine
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Denjin on April 05, 2013, 09:53:51 AM
I don't find it comfortable (when near max depth), and it's been 7 years or so.  I had some complications, so that might be the cause...I still do it once a week after 7 years, too.

I can't recall details on how the packing being removed felt other than it wasn't very pleasant (sorry I'm not more helpful).
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: jamied on April 05, 2013, 10:43:55 AM
Regarding Catherine's question on packing removal; I didn't even realize when Dr. McGinn took it out.  I had read accounts of how painful and uncomfortable the removal was, but it was a non-event for me.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 05, 2013, 10:49:25 AM
Quote from: jamied on April 05, 2013, 10:43:55 AM
Regarding Catherine's question on packing removal; I didn't even realize when Dr. McGinn took it out.  I had read accounts of how painful and uncomfortable the removal was, but it was a non-event for me.

This was my experience as well. I went in expecting the worst and was tightly gripping the table in preparation right before it was removed... but it was fast and I only experienced mild discomfort. Same with the catheter removal as well, which I also heard from some, was majorly painful.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Vicky on April 05, 2013, 11:51:59 AM
On the packing removal -- Part of mine had started coming out the night before it was to be removed, and I had been instructed to cut it off and leave the rest.  The next day in the doctors office, the nurse took an end hanging out, and began pulling on it, but there was a mirror on the wall behind her where I saw it coming out, nearly 18 feet of gauze!!  Not painful, but the sight of what I had in me coming out had my eyes popping and mouth dropping.  Not a bad feeling, but WEIRD.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: NJade on April 05, 2013, 04:07:58 PM
The removal of my alien baby was far less traumatic than I thought it would be. If there was any Pain I have no memory of it.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Jenna Marie on April 05, 2013, 04:36:29 PM
Catherine - Packing removal involved slight discomfort, mostly when they were cutting the stitches; the actual pulling it out was mostly just *weird,* in that it was my very first experience with something sliding in or out of there! Brassard puts the packing inside a condom, so it was a very quick little slipping it out, no endless feet of gauze or anything exciting like that. I'm fairly sure the condom "package" was around the size of the largest dilator, too, actually.

And once it was out, I was SO MUCH more comfortable. Light-years better. That and the catheter worked miracles to improve how comfortable I was and how easily I could get around - five minutes after the packing was out, I was up and walking, and about 10X faster than before, too.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Anatta on April 05, 2013, 05:23:00 PM
Quote from: Catherine Sarah on April 05, 2013, 09:21:42 AM
Not wishing to go off topic, but we are fairly close to a question I have.

Would anyone wish to comment on the pain/experience of having the packing removed.

From what I understand, this packing is considerably larger than even the largest dilator.

Is there much associated in this process?

I appreciate your comments.

Huggs
Catherine

Kia Ora Cathrine,

Due to a slightly inflamed neo-vagina, I had to wait an extra week before the surgeon took out the packing ...When it came out there was a short sharp shock/pain...

But one thing to bear in mind...Nothing is permanent, and just like the passing of the day, so too this pain will pass...

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 06, 2013, 11:04:36 PM
i wish i had kept my alien baby...with a nice frame and some creativity i'm sure the stained gauze will make a unique piece of modern art!!! and yes it hurts although it is a one off and fairly quick procedure.

for those who enjoyed dilation it must be really lucky...i am almost a week from 3 mths postop and it just gets harder!!
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: GendrKweer on April 06, 2013, 11:11:05 PM
Yeah, I'm enjoying it more often than not, but it took about six months. Get through month three, and you'll be mostly home free. Think of how little a month is when you consider how long you've waited for this! :)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: NJade on April 07, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: milktea on April 06, 2013, 11:04:36 PM
i wish i had kept my alien baby...with a nice frame and some creativity i'm sure the stained gauze will make a unique piece of modern art!!! and yes it hurts although it is a one off and fairly quick procedure.

for those who enjoyed dilation it must be really lucky...i am almost a week from 3 mths postop and it just gets harder!!

That would make for an interesting exhibit if we all interpreted the experience through an artistic repurposing of the alien children we give birth to...sadly, mine was taken to whatever remote laboratory where it will be raised to serve the Canadian government...I hope like Wolverine. I'd like to be Wolverine's mom.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Catherine Sarah on April 09, 2013, 08:12:43 AM
Thank you to all who replied to my question. It has put my mind at ease.

I appreciate and honour your kindness in sharing what had to be, something like a hellishly amazing experience.

Huggs
Catherine
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Deila on April 09, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
Dilation was hands down the most difficult and traumatic part of my experience.. I tried so many things to make it easier. I even developed food allergies post op that I didnt discover until 6 months post op and having such extreme intestinal discomfort made dilation even more scary for me. I had to dilate 3 times a day for 6 months and twice a day up until a year and I still lost 3 inchs of depth. I needed to sit on that pillow until month 7...However on the brighter note, I still have 5 inchs of depth and I am down to dilating every 2 or 3 days now a year and a half later. So if you feel absolutely miserable and horrible now I promise you it will be worth it in the end.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: GendrKweer on April 10, 2013, 03:29:58 AM
Two more things regarding dilation/packing removal:

1) Packing removal: for me, it didn't hurt at all. Dr Suporn packs with loose gauze, not so much to stretch things but to keep things in place, I think, and it came out like the handkerchief out of a clown's breast pocket... not pleasant, but more oogy. I might add, that five-7 days after SRS, I was still hopped up on a ton of pain meds...can't recall if morphine still or not (prolly tapering off by then but I can't recall) but definitely hard core pain meds like Tramadol. That'll dull the pain of any drain/packing removal too...

2) Dilation has been fine for me, sitting upright was the pain in the arse. :) What I've done I cannot recommend but it worked for me... since I'm in a monogamous (well, polyfidelitous) relationship with gay girls, I didn't really need to worry about a large diameter vagina, so I basically got myself through the tough stuff using the small diameter for depth and to help lube things up, then the medium. Tapered off to once a day at five months. Didn't touch the big one (34mm) when the going got hard (2 months or so) until last week. Well, guess what? Now that dilation is comfy with the medium, after only a week of painless trials, the big one goes in almost to full depth (6 inches). Meaning, maybe when things get so painful you wanna die even with the medium (2-4 months depending), don't feel bad if you only maintain with the medium (32mm).... as long as you don't lose depth, width apparently is easy enough to regain. Just my experience, tho... and if you need that larger diameter sooner because of a boyfriend etc, well then good luck! :)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Celery Stalk on April 10, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
Quote from: Nicole on April 04, 2013, 11:39:44 PM
If I recall, I think its intercourse.

Its dynamic intercourse.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: calico on April 10, 2013, 02:25:34 PM
Quote from: Celery Stalk on April 10, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
Its dynamic intercourse.

lol,,

but really I have to agree on it being a pain, as of this current time in my life, very painfull indeed but I know it will get better but as of this moment evertime I do it I'm  :icon_omfg: but itseems like its getting better. untill I go to the next size up  :icon_blah:
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 10, 2013, 07:46:56 PM
i'm at the 3 months mark and dropping the 34mm as well. but 32 is already quite a challenge.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: CindyLouCovington on April 10, 2013, 08:48:36 PM
I had my SRS with Suporn on Jan 14. He said that the second and third months would be the worst because of the contraction of scar tissue, and it certainly is.Painful to get the medium one in at first, but after a minute it is not so bad.Pain in the butt(literally) but the results are worth it.It helps to rotate the medium one as you push it in. After 15 minutes of the medium, the large one goes in with no problem.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Rosa on April 10, 2013, 10:54:42 PM
Does intercourse count towards the dialation regimine or do you still need to use the dialators?
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Anatta on April 10, 2013, 11:45:46 PM
Quote from: Rosa on April 10, 2013, 10:54:42 PM
Does intercourse count towards the dialation regimine or do you still need to use the dialators?
,

Kia Ora Rosa,

From what I gather having regular intercourse does reduce the amount of dilating one has to do...

But one must dilate for a period of time[surgeon's recommendations] before their neo-vigina is ready for action...


Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: calico on April 11, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
Quote from: Rosa on April 10, 2013, 10:54:42 PM
Does intercourse count towards the dialation regimine or do you still need to use the dialators?

Yes in my paperwork it says that 1 intercourse session can be used in place of a dialation, but there is a certain amount of time you cant cant have intercourse, my paperwork says 3 months, and it takes a year for everything to completely settle
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 11, 2013, 02:29:55 AM
it must be on the assumption that the partner inserts the penis to the same depth as the dilator? and that it us at least as thick as the dilator??
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Vicky on April 12, 2013, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: Rosa on April 10, 2013, 10:54:42 PM
Does intercourse count towards the dialation regimine or do you still need to use the dialators?

For Dr. Bowers, after 6 weeks, one session of intercourse = 1 dilation session.  Since you are on three dilations under her instructions at that time, the intercourse and/or dilation need to be spaced over the day.  Having your partner do it before breakfast, coming home at lunch, and then at bed time will leave him pretty worn out.  That's why you get the plastic boyfriends. 

Every surgeon will have different time lengths and time spacings, so go for what your's says on your discharge papers.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 28, 2013, 07:07:10 AM
does anyone know how long it takes before insertion of the dilator gets easier? i'm already almost half way through my fourth mth and every time is an ordeal...the painful feeling of tightness and stretching is almost unbearable...
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Tristan on April 28, 2013, 09:29:31 AM
For me it was about month number five. That's when it got more easier and way more fun
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: calico on April 28, 2013, 12:15:19 PM
So far for me, 1 and 2 are not really painful, and I went to #3 last night, and that was painfull, I am at 1 month post out now, I supose each person is different, I would think maybe increasing the time of your dilation, but I would also email your dr.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Tristan on April 28, 2013, 12:41:22 PM
Quote from: calico on April 28, 2013, 12:15:19 PM
So far for me, 1 and 2 are not really painful, and I went to #3 last night, and that was painfull, I am at 1 month post out now, I supose each person is different, I would think maybe increasing the time of your dilation, but I would also email your dr.
It seems like everythime you go up a size it takes like 3-6 days depending on the person to get use to it. I know for me it took a out 3 days . Although the final suicide orange one took me 6 days to get use to and zero pain.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: NJade on April 28, 2013, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: Tristan on April 28, 2013, 12:41:22 PM
It seems like everythime you go up a size it takes like 3-6 days depending on the person to get use to it. I know for me it took a out 3 days . Although the final suicide orange one took me 6 days to get use to and zero pain.

It took me a good deal longer to get used to Mr. Orange. For the first few weeks, he hurt me terribly.

I am excited to say a month from today, I shall bid Mr. Green a fond adieu.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: calico on April 28, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
All these colors I keep hearing about  :icon_blink: All I got was clear 1,2,3,4 of course my loving names for them are little ricky,slim jim,big rick ,and big al  :icon_weirdface:
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: XchristineX on April 28, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
Can anyone link a site that shows dialators please!!!
I'm getting scared lol that it mighr be super massive. 

And where do you get them?
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: NJade on April 28, 2013, 02:28:37 PM
Quote from: calico on April 28, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
All these colors I keep hearing about  :icon_blink: All I got was clear 1,2,3,4 of course my loving names for them are little ricky,slim jim,big rick ,and big al  :icon_weirdface:

Brassard's are color coded  ;) Mr. Orange is #4.

And Christine, while I cannot provide you with a site, I'm sure you can look them up somewhere online. Most surgeons provide them as part of the aftercare package.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Anatta on April 28, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
Quote from: XchristineX on April 28, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
Can anyone link a site that shows dialators please!!!
I'm getting scared lol that it mighr be super massive. 

And where do you get them?

Kia Ora Christine,

I don't know about the others but my surgeon provided them...

This short youtube clip shows a doctor explaining how 'women' should use a dilator plus some images of dilators

How to use vaginal dilators (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtUixCIoYCk#)

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 28, 2013, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Tristan on April 28, 2013, 12:41:22 PM
It seems like everythime you go up a size it takes like 3-6 days depending on the person to get use to it. I know for me it took a out 3 days . Although the final suicide orange one took me 6 days to get use to and zero pain.

Yeah... I've got Mr. Orange... But I doubt he'll ever get near me. That thing is huge. The diameter is a bit unrealistic and it's heavy as heck. I'll be passing.

Kudos to you for conquering it though.  :)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Jenna Marie on April 28, 2013, 05:20:07 PM
Christine, Google "Soul Source GRS dilators" for the set where Mr. Orange is the biggest. :)

(Brassard provides the dilators as part of the overall package, already paid for, but that's his current supplier for them and shows the colors he uses.)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 28, 2013, 07:47:52 PM
Quote from: Jenna Marie on April 28, 2013, 05:20:07 PM
Christine, Google "Soul Source GRS dilators" for the set where Mr. Orange is the biggest. :)

(Brassard provides the dilators as part of the overall package, already paid for, but that's his current supplier for them and shows the colors he uses.)

Dr.McGinn and Dr.Bowers use the same set of dilators as Dr. Brassard.
Mr.Orange = Lexington Steele. Dam.  : :o
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: XchristineX on April 28, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
What actually gives you the depth?

The surgery  or the dilator? And how ? By forcing it deeper for months?
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Tristan on April 28, 2013, 08:09:07 PM
you asked for it. this is what i have

http://www.soulsourceenterprises.com/html/products_grs.html (http://www.soulsourceenterprises.com/html/products_grs.html)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Tristan on April 28, 2013, 08:11:34 PM
Quote from: XchristineX on April 28, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
What actually gives you the depth?

The surgery  or the dilator? And how ? By forcing it deeper for months?
for me i went up up 6 ish after my um... pleasure time so yup i think force. oh and if you start having sex when your aloud to with guys who bottom out in you. then you can also get more depth
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Catherine Sarah on April 28, 2013, 08:11:51 PM
Hi Christine,

Essentially the surgery gives you the depth, with whatever donor material and / or grafts (if used)is available.

The dilators "train" the body into recognising this new cavity in the body is a neo vagina and not a wound that needs to be closed. It's a natural reaction for the body to want to close up any open wound it finds. And if you don't dilate as per instruction, your neo vagina will close up. It's just another joy that comes with the territory. :)

Huggs
Catherine
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 28, 2013, 08:35:08 PM
Quote from: XchristineX on April 28, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
What actually gives you the depth?

The surgery  or the dilator? And how ? By forcing it deeper for months?

It's a combination of things... What you start with, what your surgeon does, and how well you stick to your dilation schedule. Also, don't eat a big dinner before sex.
;)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: calico on April 28, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
I think I'm going to get a set of tthose soul source dilators, while the ones provided are doing the job, I like the taper of the soulsource variation better, basically what got is 4 hard acrylic dilators there is no softness whatsoever to them.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Anatta on April 29, 2013, 12:05:47 AM
Kia Ora,

::) Wow ! Wonders never cease "Dilators that can go around corners"  ;) ;D

I've just checked out the "Soul Source GRS dilators" http://www.soulsourceenterprises.com/html/products_grs.html (http://www.soulsourceenterprises.com/html/products_grs.html)

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 29, 2013, 08:23:31 AM
month five sounds so far away...i'm only approaching 3.5 mths and it felt like a century.

i thought mth 4 would be better than 3, but it is still the same painful ordeal...only good thing is i'm down from 3 to 2x/day. the bad thing is there is no guarantee when things will get better, only that it eventually will. seriously, i think anyone who survived dilation without losing depth have iron willpower enough to pull through the grand inquisition...

and anyone who wants to get srs should find out all they can about dilation beforehand
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 29, 2013, 10:06:04 AM
Quote from: calico on April 28, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
I think I'm going to get a set of tthose soul source dilators, while the ones provided are doing the job, I like the taper of the soulsource variation better, basically what got is 4 hard acrylic dilators there is no softness whatsoever to them.

The soulsource dialators are also hard plastic and not soft at all. Don't get your hopes up.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 29, 2013, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Cherrie on April 29, 2013, 04:10:23 AM
I wonder how the orange one compares to Suporn's biggest dilator which they name Large and is 34mm. The orange one is 1 1/5 inch but and according to the conversion tool I used that should be 38mm. Can somebody confirm that? I was already thinking to start looking for a dilator that is thicker than Suporn's Large. I also wonder if the silicone feels more comfy than Suporn's glass dilators.. Most girls I spoke don't even use the L but because most guys I've been with including my current boyfriend has a penis that is similair or thicker to L it wouldn't be 'enough' for me to only use the M. I've also been with guys who were thicker than the L so I may want to buy that orange one.

Btw, what's with the g-spot corner in those dilators? The ones from Suporn are just straight. What's the idea behind the corner?

The orange soulsource dialator is 1.5 inches in in diameter... which is 38 millimeters in diameter. It's big.

If I ever find a guy that big... anal only. I paid to much for my va-jay-jay to take the risk.

Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: calico on April 29, 2013, 02:12:33 PM
Quote from: JennX on April 29, 2013, 10:14:01 AM
The orange soulsource dialator is 1.5 inches in in diameter... which is 38 millimeters in diameter. It's big.

If I ever find a guy that big... anal only. I paid to much for my va-jay-jay to take the risk.

no kidding, im already looking at number 4 and i'm like uhh....  Ya know at first I was like those dont look so bad...  then I started dilating, and suddenly they look a lot scarier
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 29, 2013, 03:15:55 PM
Quote from: Cherrie on April 29, 2013, 02:28:51 PM
I kinda lke them big :p

I hear ya though.. Good point..

I may be weird but I like the large size Suporn dilator better than the medium.. I guess I like a challenge..

Too bad the soulsource dilators are hard plastic.. Are they heavy? The glass ones are quite heavy but in the dilator box from Suporn is als a travel one. I wonder if the soulsource dilators are a bit like that. Advantage is that they can't break easily I guess. I bought an extra m and l from Suporn in case one breaks.. It can happen.

The smaller 2 (purple & blue) aren't really that heavy... the orange one is very heavy IMHO. You could smack someone on the head and cause a serious injury. It could double as a slap-jack if needed.  ;D
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 29, 2013, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: calico on April 29, 2013, 02:12:33 PM
no kidding, im already looking at number 4 and i'm like uhh....  Ya know at first I was like those dont look so bad...  then I started dilating, and suddenly they look a lot scarier

This. It's the diameter. I mean I know they want to stretch the tissue and all, but even in all my years of HS/College sports, there just aren't many guys packing a cannon like that. My 2 cis-girlfriends thought the large orange dilator was a joke. They said the person making them must not date often.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: kalina on April 29, 2013, 06:06:58 PM
Cool, I just found this thread!

I had my surgery on Dec 19, so it's been over 4 months and I'm still at #3. I tried #4 early on (about 8 weeks post-op) and found that it tore me up inside. I had lots of tearing here and there since then. One of the tears looks like a hole. I've had streaks of blood for several weeks now and a few hours ago I had... red blood. Ack. I checked it out again just now and it seems fine. I'm down to one dilation a day, but maybe I should move back up to 2 at some point because it still feels tight.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: calico on April 29, 2013, 06:30:56 PM
 :o  that does not sound good kalina!, I would definate increase the dilations, I dont believe any surgeon wants you to just being doing 1 dilation a day at 4 month's, but I may be wrong.

Also since we are on the subject, I   have a question for everyone about dilating, what schedule has everyone been doing? I mean how many times daily,for how long,and with each dilator, and has anyone just stopped using a previous size?
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Tristan on April 29, 2013, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Cherrie on April 29, 2013, 04:10:23 AM
I wonder how the orange one compares to Suporn's biggest dilator which they name Large and is 34mm. The orange one is 1 1/5 inch but and according to the conversion tool I used that should be 38mm. Can somebody confirm that? I was already thinking to start looking for a dilator that is thicker than Suporn's Large. I also wonder if the silicone feels more comfy than Suporn's glass dilators.. Most girls I spoke don't even use the L but because most guys I've been with including my current boyfriend has a penis that is similair or thicker to L it wouldn't be 'enough' for me to only use the M. I've also been with guys who were thicker than the L so I may want to buy that orange one.

Btw, what's with the g-spot corner in those dilators? The ones from Suporn are just straight. What's the idea behind the corner?
yeah the orange one is my fav one to play with, you will get there
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 29, 2013, 09:10:01 PM
Quote from: calico on April 29, 2013, 06:30:56 PM
:o  that does not sound good kalina!, I would definate increase the dilations, I dont believe any surgeon wants you to just being doing 1 dilation a day at 4 month's, but I may be wrong.

Also since we are on the subject, I   have a question for everyone about dilating, what schedule has everyone been doing? I mean how many times daily,for how long,and with each dilator, and has anyone just stopped using a previous size?

I do 5 times per day... 30 minutes each. Up to the blue second largest dilator now at 7 weeks. Dr.McGinn has the most "aggressive" dilation schedule that I'm aware of... Fun times!!!
:P
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: calico on April 29, 2013, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: JennX on April 29, 2013, 09:10:01 PM
I do 5 times per day... 30 minutes each. Up to the blue second largest dilator now at 7 weeks. Dr.McGinn has the most "aggressive" dilation schedule that I'm aware of... Fun times!!!
:P

holy crap.... wow aggressive is right, im just doing 3 times a day at 40 minutes right now, and am using 2,3 dialtor's 2 for 30 min, and 3 for 10 for a week than ill do 20/20
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Vicky on April 30, 2013, 12:23:46 AM
You guys are making me worried that I am not doing something right!!!  Dr. Bowers dilation kit and discharge instructions only go up to the 1 3/8ths inch dilator whom I have named Micky Mint.  At 15 weeks now, I am down to having a date with Micky twice a day for 15 minutes from touch the V to pull out time.  During the dilation, I am moving it in and out, and twisting it so the tip does a little bit of stretching, and more important, massaging the lining.  I know where my prostate gland is, and doing a tip massage and rotation at that spot is a lot of FUN!!  I keep my hips on a folded towel, and on insertion, raise my hips off the towel with my legs as I pass the dilator just inside the opening, this pulls the muscles in the vaginal floor out of the way until I am past the opening, and then the mild tightening when I put my hips back on the towel also gives a pleasant sensation.  I may give Dr. B's office a call tomorrow and ask why no Orange one!!  In the two followup calls I have had from her office though, I mentioned Micky and they never said a thing about anyone bigger. 

I hate to say it, but a guy claiming a tool larger in diameter than 1.25, is either a dreamer or has a parasitic worm infection.  Look up filariasis.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: kalina on April 30, 2013, 07:49:37 AM
Okay, so the bleeding is not crazy like it was yesterday at 5pm. It's the usual light amount that's mixed with the lube this morning. It looks like a piece of dead skin just came off in the area of the bleeding, like a bandaid coming off a wound.

I'm down to once a day according to Dr. Kathy Rumer's instructions. I'm supposed to do 4x a day for 3 weeks, 3x a day for 3 weeks, 2x a day for 3 weeks, and then 1x a day for 3 weeks. I was doing 3x and 2x a day for far longer than the recommended 3 weeks due to granulation tissue problems. She had to cauterize me on several of my office visits. I had to go into the office a lot more than the usual patient because I had necrosis... about half of my right labia died within 2 weeks post-op (she can repair this after a year, she says).

The one time a day I'm dilating (in the morning around 7am), it takes me about 15 minutes to get it all the way in and then I count 20 to 30 minutes from there. I would do it a second time each day but I felt that it wasn't a long enough time for my body to heal because I'm always bleeding (the usual light amount) every time during my twice a days. Only on a few occasions in recent memory has there been no blood.

I just wish my surgeon made the hole larger so I wouldn't have to experience the tears. It's not just uncomfortable, but kind of painful sometimes.
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: milktea on April 30, 2013, 08:05:18 AM
Quote from: JennX on April 29, 2013, 09:10:01 PM
I do 5 times per day... 30 minutes each. Up to the blue second largest dilator now at 7 weeks. Dr.McGinn has the most "aggressive" dilation schedule that I'm aware of... Fun times!!!
:P

5x is crazy...is it 30 min counting from when you reached full depth? aasuming 1 hr per session and 7hrs sleep...that's like only a two hr rest between each session. and everyone survives that???

@cherrie tks for the tip on vibrators...i've not had a single remotely pleasant feeling down there since my surgery...
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Jenna Marie on April 30, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
(I think one thing must depend on the person/surgeon - it takes me only a few seconds to reach "full depth." Maybe I'm just lucky? Nobody in the residence with me said differently, though; we all were having dilation sessions that lasted the recommended time [20 minutes, then] plus maybe 5 minutes for setup/cleanup. I have NO idea how someone manages 2-3 hour sessions multiple times a day!)
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: Tristan on April 30, 2013, 08:29:06 AM
I'm down to once a day for one hour to a hour and a half if I want to do extra
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: JennX on April 30, 2013, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: milktea on April 30, 2013, 08:05:18 AM
5x is crazy...is it 30 min counting from when you reached full depth? aasuming 1 hr per session and 7hrs sleep...that's like only a two hr rest between each session. and everyone survives that???

I start timing as soon as the dilator goes in. I reach full depth pretty easy... I just push it in there. I know it can be more involved for others. Dr.McGinn knows her schedule is tough... But she really believes it is worth the results. I can't complain, except it does takeover your life to a large degree. You have plan everything around it. I have one more week at 5 times per day... then I can go down to 3 times per day. Thankfully!
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: XchristineX on April 30, 2013, 12:49:20 PM
Thankk you jennx for the advice..
I want mcginn also and had thought of returning to
Work at three months.  Looks like later
Title: Re: does anyone agree dilation is the most painful part of transition???
Post by: jade on October 05, 2013, 05:48:27 PM
agree with the title 100%.