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Kia Ora,

Just renewing an old favourite past time for members... Trans-"Sexual Orientation/Attraction"

I have used the alternative to the term 'homosexual' so as not to confuse some members

Androphilic = Attracted to males 
Gynophilic = Attracted to females
Andro-Gynophilic = Attracted to both

So away we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......................................


Metta Zenda :)

My goodness, that looks like it took a while to make that poll!

I like to bat for both sides!

I'm a woman who likes other women. So I guess that makes me a lesbian - oh wait, I don't come from Lesbos, so I guess I'm just a gay girl..

Quote from: TiffanyT on April 26, 2013, 01:58:58 AM
My goodness, that looks like it took a while to make that poll!

Kia Ora Tiffany,

Yes but it was mostly cut and paste...

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on April 26, 2013, 02:11:23 AM
I'm a woman who likes other women. So I guess that makes me a lesbian - oh wait, I don't come from Lesbos, so I guess I'm just a gay girl..

Kia Ora Kelly,

::) From Gayland ?  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: big kim on April 26, 2013, 01:59:11 AM
I like to bat for both sides!

Kia Ora Big Kim,

That could drive you batty  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: TiffanyT on April 26, 2013, 01:58:58 AM
My goodness, that looks like it took a while to make that poll!

No kidding, too much for me, I just like men.

Well that's an interesting one ! I am a gay man and that's definite. I have a fantastic boyfriend who is starting his transition to become female. I love them 'both' very much but admit it took some serious head wrangles to consider all the scenarios and how the future would unfold.
I support him totally and help him all I can on the journey that he is making to become my girlfriend and hopefully one day my wife.

Quote from: Cleopatra on April 26, 2013, 04:34:42 AM
Well that's an interesting one ! I am a gay man and that's definite. I have a fantastic boyfriend who is starting his transition to become female. I love them 'both' very much but admit it took some serious head wrangles to consider all the scenarios and how the future would unfold.
I support him totally and help him all I can on the journey that he is making to become my girlfriend and hopefully one day my wife.

Cleopatra, How sweet. Thanks for sharing. My best to you & your boyfriend, future wife.

Non-binary, asexual, polysensual. I'm attracted to people for touch and intimacy (but not for sex), and I'm attracted to people before I know what their gender identity is, and regardless of gender identity, hence polysensual.

Oh Lord now you're asking. I can't remember. Can I get back to you?

I'm an FtM that's sexually attracted to women.

I'm greedy, and  like everyone  :D

I'm too early in my transition to figure it out. A few months ago I'd have said I only like women, but as I start thinking about SRS and softening on HRT, the idea of being with a man doesn't seem so icky any more.

I don't know what I am, i prefer to date women but find everyone of all genders attractive lol...guess I could just call myself a lesbian?

 I'm an asexual with no real romantic attraction to any gender. And originally I checked the other box, because I didn't notice the no sexual attraction at all choice. I suppose I should have looked at the choices better before voting.

FtM- shifting or FtM- I have no clue, but I've come to the conclusion that I don't like sexuality labels. Pansexual I guess? Or grey-asexual? But that probably doesn't count for me... Who knows?

I really couldn't say. I think I might be attracted to both... but... Ask me again when I figure out the conscience side of things, Ok?

While I find both gender attractive, I put down attracted to men because I can only see myself in a relationship a guy.  Women don't appeal to me at all in a romantic sense.  So, I identify as straight, but you could argue I'm bisexual; however, you'd be wrong ;)

I like men men physically attractive men. Women are overrrated!

Quote from: Kuan Yin on April 26, 2013, 01:53:33 AM
Kia Ora,

Just renewing an old favourite past time for members... Trans-"Sexual Orientation/Attraction"

I have used the alternative to the term 'homosexual' so as not to confuse some members

Androphilic = Attracted to males 
Gynophilic = Attracted to females
Andro-Gynophilic = Attracted to both

So away we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......................................


Metta Zenda :)

How about you Kia Ora?

Quote from: peky on April 26, 2013, 12:00:36 PM

How about you Kia Ora?

Kia Ora Peky,

I'm totally at peace with my sexuality, I'm an asexual bi-romantic=I like people...

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Julie53 on April 26, 2013, 12:01:28 PM
I'm sorry but I couldn't make heads or tails of the poll, too many options to decode, and too many what-ifs involved.  Having recently started a new openness regarding whatever trans tendencies may exist within me, my romantic attitudes and sense of attraction have become fluid.  Until this opening up started to happen, I considered myself a basic cis hetero male.  I don't know what the future holds for me, but it is a new and exciting place I am coming to, filled with a great many facets never before included in my realm of consideration.

It makes for difficult navigation to lose the constants in my life that previously guided me.  For now, I only seek to become a kinder, more gentle good citizen of the Universe.

Kia Ora Julie,

And others who might be a little confused about their sexuality and or 'gender identity' and where they sit on the poll...

"Other" is the option that covers the "non descript" such as 'fluid', 'questionng' 'unsure of my 'gender' identity' 'unlabelled'  etc, etc...

Thank you to those who have already participated so far...


Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Kuan Yin on April 26, 2013, 01:52:13 PM
Kia Ora Peky,

I'm totally at peace with my sexuality, I'm an asexual bi-romantic=I like people...

Metta Zenda :)

How deos that fits on your polling list?

Quote from: peky on April 26, 2013, 04:00:33 PM
How deos that fits on your polling list?

Kia Ora Peky,

I think I see where you are coming from...

I have now added additional wording...

I hope that makes it a little clearer when it comes to asexual people like myself who have no "sexual" attraction towards others but some of us do have a "romantic" attraction...

Thanks for pointing this error out...

Metta Zenda :)

I'm romantically attracted to females, but sexually, not really.

I'm physically attracted to males, but romantically, not really. Men are sexy, but that's about their only really good side in my eye.

But for now I'm not really attracted to either, because I wouldn't ever want to do anything sexual with this body.

I'm straight; i.e. I'm only attracted to men!  :icon_builder:

Inasmuch as I enjoy women's company, friendship, etc. and inasmuch as male stereotypes still apply, I can not help but find good looking men sexually attractive. It's just almost primal to think about being ravished by a male with good physique and pheromones!  :icon_dribble:

Pretty much anyone goes, so long as we can connect  :)

Quote from: DirtyFox on April 27, 2013, 11:42:06 AM
Pretty much anyone goes, so long as we can connect  :)

Kia Ora DirtyFox,

::) So this would make you a try-sexual   ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Or if it's the sexuality equivalent of gender-questioning, that would make one a whysexual ;D.

Quote from: Kuan Yin on April 27, 2013, 03:11:35 PM
Kia Ora DirtyFox,

::) So this would make you a try-sexual   ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Padma on April 27, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
Or if it's the sexuality equivalent of gender-questioning, that would make one a whysexual ;D.

You guys had me laughing for a while there ;) thanks
A friend had once described me as omnisexual. Probably the most accurate.

Quote from: DirtyFox on April 27, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
You guys had me laughing for a while there ;) thanks
A friend had once described me as omnisexual. Probably the most accurate.

Kia Ora DirtyFox,

::) So we have the 'try' and 'why' sexual and if one buys sexy clothing too, this would make them 'buy'sexual  ;)

But I'm guessing omni-sexual covers it all...

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Kuan Yin on April 26, 2013, 01:52:13 PM
Kia Ora Peky,

I'm totally at peace with my sexuality, I'm an asexual bi-romantic=I like people...

Metta Zenda :)

Oh my god! That makes us two! I always thought that was wrong, so it's good to see that there's someone else like me!

Quote from: ThetisnFurter on April 27, 2013, 05:56:22 PM
Oh my god! That makes us two! I always thought that was wrong, so it's good to see that there's someone else like me!

Kia Ora ThetisnFurter,

It's interesting, at first I too thought I was the weird one amongst the trans-community, because most trans-people I meet have a sexual preference, ie, gay straight bi etc, some took the celibacy or abstinence route, but very few asexuals...In fact some people don't believe there is such a thing as a human asexual...It only happens in the plant, fish and insect kingdoms

Metta Zenda :)     

You two are just being normal. Pretty much everyone is bi. Preferences are in an overwhelming majority not huge in the beginning, and they were probably not all present naturally.

It took me a long time to work out that I am asexual, because it's not a concept that's in the cultural mindset. I now see that I have very strong attractions to people (gender-regardless) but they aren't sexual attractions, they're the desire to touch and be touched, to kiss, be physically close, but not be sexual. I also have strong romantic attractions to people, in the same way. The culture I live in has strongly encourages me to assume that if I'm feeling any or all of the above, I must also want sex, and I went along with that uncomfortably for decades, and it's ruined every relationship I've ever been in (and that's leaving aside the effect of GD and the consequences of an abuse history). I'd very much welcome an asexual but very tactile romantic relationship with someone. Ah, well, a person can dream...

I stopped thinking of myself as bi the first time I found myself attracted to someone before knowing what their gender was - and I'm very strongly drawn to gender ambiguity, as my "orientation". Perhaps the best term for me would be non-bi, since I'm attracted to non-binary folk! But I like the term polysensual (I think I may have coined it, but who cares) because I've never been comfortable with the pan- prefix, when applied to me.

Gay transguy.

FTM, asexual in the sense that I don't really experience sexual attraction to people. Romantic, sure, maybe physical in appreciating that someone has a nice body, but beyond that no. Some lower level of my brain begs to differ but it's going through puberty, hopefully it'll stop messing with me soon enough. I can like people of any gender, but seem to gravitate towards people in the middle or leaning towards the feminine side of the spectrum.

Quote from: Sarah7 on April 28, 2013, 10:34:01 AM
I find it interesting the places people choose to draw a line between what is and what is not sexual.

Like what is the sex you don't want to have exactly? I mean. I've given someone an orgasm while my clothes remained on. I've kissed someone for 10 minutes when we were both naked (no orgasms were attempted).

There are so many ways to touch and be touched.

You list "kissing" as a non-sexual activity. It makes my skin crawl if someone who is not my girlfriend kisses me. I suffer in pained silence every time I visit with my mum's partner's family (they're Quebecois and follow the French tradition of kissing on greeting and parting). To me that's just way too intensely intimate.

I guess I just think of it like the ways in which I want to be touched and the ways in which I want to touch, the ways in which I want to be loved, and the ways in which I want to love. I can't untangle those into "romantic" and "sexual." Distinct and discreet categories. It's all just a mess of wanting.

So, ya. So far I've only wanted girls or girl-approximate people. So I'm gay.

Well, this makes me feel told off for experiencing things differently from you...

I have a clear sense in me of what for me is sexual and what isn't, and I'm not comfortable with the sexual, I don't enjoy it. I'm not "choosing" to draw this line, it's just where it lies for me. This doesn't have to match anyone else's experience.

As for kissing etc., what makes it enjoyable vs. not is whether it's consensual or not. I'm attracted to certain people, and I want to touch and be touched by them with affection, and to kiss with them, and I don't want that from people I'm not attracted to. Everyone's boundaries (and tastes) are different.

When I started out, I hadn't ever experimented with my sexual orientation at all. Now that I am free to be who I am in every way (in a sense unrestrained), I find myself just attracted to people in general both sexually and romantically. It all happened kind of fast I guess, and I love it.

Now as far as kissing being sexual, I definitely have to say that to me kissing can be VERY sexual. I have always gotten some of the greatest pleasure from a kiss. It just depends on what it means to you and the subconscious intent of the kiss is. To me, when the context is right, a kiss is absolutely sexual. To the max.

I agree, a kiss can be very sexual - or very sensual - or very affectionate - depending on what's going on in the minds of the kissers. I basically like pretty much everything that goes with a sexual relationship, apart from the sex itself. I'm very lucky to have been meeting a whole lot of other asexual people lately, who can empathise with this - because I don't expect people whose experience is different to be able to empathise in the same way.

Oh well, fair enough then.

I really love it that other people enjoy the passion, and the raunch, and all that stuff - and I'm very relieved to admit that I don't. I didn't mean to hijack a thread about sexuality with talk of asexuality, I was just introducing another flavour to the mix, and responding to the "/attraction" part (same thing with the binary/non-binary). Diversity is lush.

Im attracted to females. but in recent months ive lost more and more intrest in them. I catch my self checking out men more and more often. and having curious thoughts constantly. It totally weirds me out cause im not used to being attracted to men..... I have no idea how to handle this on top of having just gone full time.....

Uhm, calling the moment just before sex passion is pretty wide. Passion is just so very wide. Telling someone you love them more than anything with butterflies in your stomach and sparkles in your eyes is very passionate as well. And actually, drawing a masterpiece with a big smile and the head full of inspiration is passion as well. I'd rather call the particular aspect of passion you described "lust". Although it's sort of gloomy.

I think we'd all be best off if we don't analyse each others' experiences, but just stick with our own (and that goes for me, too). We've all got slightly-to-very different associations with the same words, it's probably a bit of a waste of time challenging each other's uses of terms.

There's always the Private Message option, contrary to popular belief, silly arguments aren't that much fun to watch.

I selected option B. That said I wouldn't actually know if I am attracted to someone just as I wouldn't know if someone is attracted to me. I chose B because I find myself thinking(sometimes) fantasizing only about women and could only see myself dating a woman cisgendered or MTF. No interest in men at all. I suppose that could change though as I may one day if I find myself attracted to someone I would prefer it be on an emotional/mental level doubt it would be sexual(that could happen).

But yes I like other ladies :)

I chose both.There's something really nice about being with a guy,but for me girls are just way better at snuggling and canoodling.

I like guys. They can be so much fun and can do some great things in bed too. I can't say that I'm into girls though? Ever since I became post op I have become even more into guys. Totally boy crazy

Yikes that poll reminds me of another certain translady I know IRL.

I don't get along with her very well. She's obsessed with categorizing people.

Her: Are you attracted to bearded men Alice?
Me: I'm bisexual... And stubble.
Her: Ooh so your a pogono-andro-gyno-phile
Me: No I'm Bisexual...
Her: I think you will find Panssexual is the correct technical term, you've mentioned how you've been attracted to other transpepole in the past.
Me: *Annoyed* No Gemma I'm Bisexual, Are you Alice-Phobic?
Her: That's not a real word.
Me: You should be...

Quote from: pebbles on May 03, 2013, 04:11:04 PM
Yikes that poll reminds me of another certain translady I know IRL.

I don't get along with her very well. She's obsessed with categorizing people.

Kia Ora Pebbles,

You will find this poll 'allows' the participants to 'self' categorise, I've just added possible options for 'self' description ...You will also find many members feel they fit neatly or with a bit of a squeeze into a certain box, whilst others-well.... they tend to select 'other'...

The sexuality of some people is 'fluid' they don't fit any box...So whatever floats their boat...

It's just a poll and I assure you there's no hidden  add-gender  ;) ;D  and thank you for your participation...

Metta Zenda :)

It seems that with every passing week I pay more attention to cute boys. I'm still figuring out how to react to it, though. I've a lot of learning to do.

I dunno if it's because I've been getting a little more attention from them, or if I have actually found them attractive and just buried the idea.. Or if the attraction is based on the attention.. So confusing ???

I guess I would be asexual and Bi-Romantic. That actually took me a while to google and figure out. :P

I have no attraction to either genders although I am bisexual. If that makes any sense.

Makes sense to me - sexual attraction is just a subset of attraction, so there are many other ways to be attracted, including romantic and sensual and aesthetic and and and...

Quote from: Jennygirl on May 06, 2013, 05:36:59 AM

I dunno if it's because I've been getting a little more attention from them, or if I have actually found them attractive and just buried the idea.. Or if the attraction is based on the attention.. So confusing ???

They say women's sexuality is more reactive (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/handy-psychology-answers/201102/does-sexuality-differ-men-and-women), so that would make sense if your attraction is based on attention. After all, usually a woman needs to 'warm up' to the idea. She's usually not just going to jump a guy's bones just because she likes the look of him.

I'm deff straight, have had more guys attempt to get into my panties than I can count, lawlz.  And Im post op as well, but am not giving it up that easy!! Havent found a guy thats worth it yet  :(

I'm not there too... I'm androgynophilic but homo-romantic. In other words I'm a lesbian who happens to also like the dick but not the male gender.

Quote from: Not-so Fat Admin on May 06, 2013, 09:39:06 AM
They say women's sexuality is more reactive (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/handy-psychology-answers/201102/does-sexuality-differ-men-and-women), so that would make sense if your attraction is based on attention. After all, usually a woman needs to 'warm up' to the idea. She's usually not just going to jump a guy's bones just because she likes the look of him.

Hmm, interesting article! I wonder to what extent this is due to testosterone levels. I identify as pansexual or bisexual and I'm attracted to men, women and non-binary people (romantically and sexually). But, if I see someone on the street who I'm attracted to, that doesn't mean that I want to/wish I could have sex with that person/fantasize about that person. I don't. (Just to clarify, I'm FAAB and mostly male-identified, and not on HRT). My partner, cis male, mostly hetero, doesn't seem to get what I mean by this, and that for him there's no difference between attraction and wanting to have sex with someone.

Has anyone on HRT noticed any similar changes before and after starting HRT? I don't think it's likely to be 100% attributable to hormones or anything, but I'd be interested to see.

I'm M2F but my attractions are not limited in anyway genderwise. Men, women, other m2f or f2m. If I find them attractive and their feelings are mutual then let romance blossom and see where it goes.

Quote from: brainiac on May 06, 2013, 03:42:49 PM

Has anyone on HRT noticed any similar changes before and after starting HRT? I don't think it's likely to be 100% attributable to hormones or anything, but I'd be interested to see.

I'll let you know  ;)   I've never been a very sexual person,  yet I've never really been able to determine if that has to do with my nature, or my dysphoria. I mean I fantasize about people, but I never see someone and think: you, me, now!

But I'm on my first week of T, so I'll find out and report back!

I just call myself pansexual or queer most of the time.  If people give me a look like "wtf does that mean"  I sigh, and say bisexual ;)
I really dont care what someones gender is, if I like them, I like them, be they any flavor.  Physically I am more attracted to men.

I find other womyn attractive  :D

I do have issues with my sexuality. I have deal with other more important things like my gender, so I have not tended to that part of me so much.

I guess I am bi. I think I can be attracted to people whatever their gender is or what is between their legs. I used think I was just a straight male. The normality , expectations of society and curiosity for the womens side of the world sure made me not fight it too much. I am non op and I guess being very close to a man would give me some dysphoria. And I am not a gay man. So the real world made me start out in that direction. The possibility of even liking men I have come to terms only later on. 

I'm not entirely sure since I've never slept with anyone, but I've found myself attracted to people as a whole.

So...FtM, polyamorous pansexual? I dunno. :\

Not really bothered about the sexual side but I would like a partner for the companionship.I don't know if it would be male or female

i find intelligence attractive (yes a tad Cliché) i dont care who, what, where or when you are, (theres a bit of dr who wibbley, wobbley, timey whimey in that sentence lol)... if you can stimulate my grey matter, thatl do it for me ;-)

Quote from: Cosi555 on May 21, 2013, 05:55:10 AM
i find intelligence attractive (yes a tad Cliché) i dont care who, what, where or when you are, (theres a bit of dr who wibbley, wobbley, timey whimey in that sentence lol)... if you can stimulate my grey matter, thatl do it for me ;-)

Kia Ora Cosi,

That's a good point... at times it not about what one sees that attracts them, it more what they hear...

Metta Zenda :)

I am into women, but the idea of cuddling with a man and spending time like that sounds nice. I don't know if I want to be sexual, but romantic... maybe.

I've only been in relationships with women. I used that as a cover basically to deny my attraction to men. Took me awhile to come to terms about my gender and my sexual orientation. Now that I've dealt with that I have no idea how to meet guys or whatever. I don't really get out much lol

So far I am only really attracted to women but who knows if the right man may change things. I just get those butterflies with women and as of yet don't really get them with men.

Kia Ora and thanks for the responses so far,

Well according to the poll. it looks like the "best of both worlds" are out on top for the M2Fs...Same sex attraction coming in second and opposite sex attraction third...

I find this quite interesting, because in the past I've often heard heterosexual M2Fs ( that is one who is sexually attracted to men)saying they are in the minority and are few and far between, well according to the poll so far, 16 identify as hetro -20 as homo(not much of a difference) and 26 as bi...So bi M2Fs seems to be the flavour of the day...

I wonder how many of the 'hetero M2Fs' had lead a 'gay' life style when living as their birth sex( sexual relationship with someone of the same birth sex) and how many lead a 'hetero life style (in a relationship with another female)  before they started to bat for the other team  ...I think I did a poll on this a while back, I can't remember where to find it...Any way it was just a thought...

Metta Zenda :)

Excuse me, but who/what are Kia Ora and Metta Zenda? It's been bothering me for a long time. I think you're not the only one to say that thing in your posts.

Also, I think the reason there appears to be more homo girls than there really are is that sexual orientation and with whom you actually are are two very different things.

There are two relatively frequent (well, probably) cases I can think of.

-My case: I'm not especially sexually attracted to women, but do fall in love with them much more easily, while so far I have seen guys as nothing but sexy.

-The older person case (even though it probably happens to young people as well, although not as often): they may be bi, but both chance and how badly society sees homosexuality (especially male) have made it so that back when they were still supposed to be guys, they got in a durable relationship with a women and have stayed with them through and after transition, because their girlfriend/wife still loved them regardless.

Even without a durable relationship, there's also habit that's important. I'm not experienced at all, but I think that if you've spent all of your life dating or wanting to date girls for other reasons, regardless of your natural attraction (which is very relative anyway as it's flexible and can change), just by habit, you'll have a tendency to look with relationships with girls rather than guys, because most people tend to go with what they feel most comfortable with, especially when destabilized (negatively or postively, as is the case with transition), rather than opt for change and excitement.

Tricky tricky. I get into more than a few fights with my partner over this stuff. Charlie contests that sex is a fundamental part of a relationship. This usually leaves me feeling a bit awkward as I'm more on-balance in a relationship without it.
I get a lot of anxiety during sex - it used to be so bad that I would lock up completely. My partner at one time thought it hilarious that he could basically position me like a doll.

As for romance though, really as long as you feel comfortable with a person there's a green light for you.

Hmm, yeah, some people think that a relationship, however deep, is friendship if there is nothing physical involved. It's not crazy, but I sure disagree.

Quote from: A on May 30, 2013, 12:13:49 AM
Excuse me, but who/what are Kia Ora and Metta Zenda? It's been bothering me for a long time. I think you're not the only one to say that thing in your posts.

Also, I think the reason there appears to be more homo girls than there really are is that sexual orientation and with whom you actually are are two very different things.

There are two relatively frequent (well, probably) cases I can think of.

-My case: I'm not especially sexually attracted to women, but do fall in love with them much more easily, while so far I have seen guys as nothing but sexy.

-The older person case (even though it probably happens to young people as well, although not as often): they may be bi, but both chance and how badly society sees homosexuality (especially male) have made it so that back when they were still supposed to be guys, they got in a durable relationship with a women and have stayed with them through and after transition, because their girlfriend/wife still loved them regardless.

Even without a durable relationship, there's also habit that's important. I'm not experienced at all, but I think that if you've spent all of your life dating or wanting to date girls for other reasons, regardless of your natural attraction (which is very relative anyway as it's flexible and can change), just by habit, you'll have a tendency to look with relationships with girls rather than guys, because most people tend to go with what they feel most comfortable with, especially when destabilized (negatively or postively, as is the case with transition), rather than opt for change and excitement.

Kia Ora A,

Interesting theory BTW...

"Kia Ora" is just a Maori form of greeting  "Be Well/ Be Healthy"

and "Metta" is Pali (ancient Indian language spoken at the time of the Buddha) meaning (in this case) 'with' "Loving Kindness"

It helps me to see and address others as real 'feeling' human beings and not just anonymous  cyber words on the screen in front of me (AIs)  ;) ;D...

"Zenda" is just a forum name that I've used for a while...

Metta Zenda :)

I still tend to find girls/women to be more attractive and interesting - if I can choose with whom to interact, in 9/10 cases my choice would be to communicate with female partner - apart of several topics, which in most cases would require my conversation partner to be immensed in male gender (and these are not sex or sports related :P ). Females tend to listen more, they let You speak out without interrupting all the time,  replies are more in-depth. I also do not feel this constant push for upper hand, which is very typical when I talk with guys, then a total blessing is absence of constant friendly mockery, which tends to derail any conversation, and they very very rarely swear during conversation without no apparent reason and need to do so :P.

Oh, interesting to know. I'm not used to seeing beginning and ending greetings anywhere but in letters. Add the unknown words and I was really, really curious. Thanks!

I'm sort of demisexual pan/biromantic, or whatever term could be used.
I rarely get a 'sexual' attraction or desire for someone, but occasionally it happens. Mostly I just make good friends though. I can find people attractive, but I rarely think about them in a sexual way. But when I do it's (almost) regardless of gender (identity) or physical appearance in general.
I dunno for sure, my sexuality and attraction is still a bit of a weird thing to me. Lol. Still figuring stuff out a bit.

Quote from: Kuan Yin on May 29, 2013, 11:46:11 PM
I wonder how many of the 'hetero M2Fs' had lead a 'gay' life style when living as their birth sex( sexual relationship with someone of the same birth sex) and how many lead a 'hetero life style (in a relationship with another female)  before they started to bat for the other team  ...I think I did a poll on this a while back, I can't remember where to find it...Any way it was just a thought...

In my case I led a hetero lifestyle. Broke up with my ex-GF after almost 4 years for a variety of reasons, but one of my main ones was that, while I enjoyed having sex with her, I did not enjoy the way she wanted to have it (with me acting very masculine, dominating). In the end being gynephilic did not really help me in realising that I'm trans*, as I seemed very much gender-conforming :-\. In retrospect, things like dreaming of having sex with a girl as a girl, and having similar fantasies during puberty could have been a bit of a hint though... :P

I went into HRT without my mind being made up, i.e. while I knew what my current preference was, I did not reject the possibility that this could change. I had my suspicions, but, like with so many things while transitioning, did not want to curtail my options by trying to impose anything. After 3 1/2 months of HRT, my attraction to women has not shifted, if anything it has gotten stronger (and I mean sexual attraction, I'll ignore the "attraction because I really love her style" for now ;)). I actually find men ... unpleasant ... these days, and my sense of smell improving has not helped matters. Then again, for all I know it might flip in a few months, although I am doubtful, but I'm not going to rule it out. Interesting times.  :laugh: