"Well... I've seen some non-moderated misandry on this site. Two of which included foul language. It seems acceptable to bash cis-males on this site from what I've seen but deity forbid you say something bad about women... "
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People on this site saying really stupid things... as well as non-moderated misandry even when it includes foul language.
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I see this as a personal failure on my part. No sense in arguing. That is how I have personalize it.
These were posts from a fun genderqueer member. So this especially hits home.
Rather than sit and stew about what idiots have to say, please hit the report button. Even though we have several moderators, we just can't catch every bit of stupidity. I did catch one bit of foul-mouthed hatred recently, and dropped a 20% warning on them, but it may have been too late. The hatred may have caused a member to leave.
The idea is that this should be a place that is safe for TG/TS members to be. ... to discuss issues n a civil, non-threatening, non-bombastic manner. We get enough hatred and abuse in the real world. Please don't bring it here.
Moderators are people too, with their own issues and their own timetables. A personal failure because someone left NAH, I am thinking that the other person had other issues and this was just the excuse to act out.
Don't listen to the few people who are angry listen to the many who are grateful for you service as a mod.
Quote from: White Rabbit on August 27, 2013, 12:14:05 PM
Moderators are people too, with their own issues and their own timetables. A personal failure because someone left NAH, I am thinking that the other person had other issues and this was just the excuse to act out.
Don't listen to the few people who are angry listen to the many who are grateful for you service as a mod.
I agree completely. This has got to be one of the most courteous, supportive forums on the planet. If anything, at times it is almost too squeaky clean/PC with almost any sort of controversial exchange leading to rapid lockdown of the thread and/or suppression of the offending posts... :)
As anyone who did the "How French are you" test knows, we French (even Irish born Froggies ;)) love lively debate so I sometimes have to hold myself back, but I do understand that this is a necessary condition for people to feel safe here and that is so important.
So Jamie, by any objective standard you guys do a really great job and even if it is always sad to see someone go in a huff, communication is a two way street. You can control what you say/write but you can't control how your messages are registered by the receiver.
Warm regards.
Donna
You should not blame yourself. You do a wonderful job that you can be proud of. There will always be people who hate and people who blame. The rest of us will continue to give help, support and love to our community in the ways we best can.
Ciara.
I can see where they're coming from. Maybe that's just the nature of having many more MtFs than anyone else, I don't know.
Is Susan's a safe space or isn't it? Is it a safe space for everybody, or just a few kinds of people? I came here with the assumption that everyone was welcome and no one would have to be indirectly trashed for their gender identity. I'm going to continue to operate by that assumption, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that it wasn't a recurring theme for some topics and that it wasn't grating to hear.
Quote from: Lo on August 27, 2013, 01:05:39 PM
I can see where they're coming from. Maybe that's just the nature of having many more MtFs than anyone else, I don't know.
Is Susan's a safe space or isn't it? Is it a safe space for everybody, or just a few kinds of people? I came here with the assumption that everyone was welcome and no one would have to be indirectly trashed for their gender identity. I'm going to continue to operate by that assumption, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that it wasn't a recurring theme for some topics and that it wasn't grating to hear.
Hi Lo (Funny combination but it wasn't premeditated..at least not at my end :) )
I guess we all have our sensitivities but after 5 months of regular presence on this forum I really haven't picked up on any
category of participant being thrashed, whether it be directly or indirectly.
However there are certainly themes that generate more interest than others based, no doubt, on the fact that more people identify with some subjects than with others.
As I can imagine being blind to certain sensitivities, would you care to provide some details on the "recurring themes" you refer to above?
Hugs
Donna
People are going to come and go, that is the nature of life.
Obviously we make every attempt not to allow insults to individuals or groups of people, but things do slip by. It is impossible for any Moderator to read every post, we read what we can, when we can.
We depend on members reporting things when they see a problem, every Moderator reads the Reports, we never ignore them. We Do Not take it lightly when a member leaves, but it is "their choice".
Jamie, I just want to say that you and the other mods do a WONDERFUL job of keeping things civil and often "lead by example" in appropriate behaviors re: posting.
Simple civility.
And no one can control how another person will interpret a particular post...but if it is too far out of line, there are actually three options (in no particular order):
1. Walk away from the thread.
2. Use the "report" button.
3. PM a mod directly, so you know someone read the complaint.
There's no reason to get huffy and "take your ball and go home." At least, not here.
*hugs*
Now the disclaimer is that I haven't been here long AT ALL, and I have a tendency to be hypervigilant and see patterns where there may or may not be any. I also understand that MtFs have it much worse as a group than AFAB TGs and TSs, so I personally have to check myself when I feel my hackles getting raised by someone venting about masculinity and things of that sort.
But in my short time here I have seen a number of posters talk negatively about men and masculinity in all sorts of topics, insinuating that masculinity is inherently this or that, and that femininity and womanhood is inherently better. I don't go into the binary MtF/FtM subforums, so these sentiments are being aired out in the open. And that's not to mention the recent thread that was closed where it was revealed that a poster or two endorsed/was apathetic toward the abuse of men. I don't know how often that happens, but I'm glad that it was nipped in the bud sooner rather than later.
As a nonbinary, I have other issues with the environment here, but they are nothing major, and there's only so much I can realistically expect from a place that tries to provide for binary and nonbinary trans* people. It's also neither here nor there. :V
I think the problem is that a lot of posters don't remember the report function is there much of the time, or maybe when something someone posts distresses them enough to make them leave, the gut response is "they're not going to understand, I'm not even going to bother". Not much that can be done about that, I guess.
Quote from: Sarah Louise on August 27, 2013, 01:22:28 PM
People are going to come and go, that is the nature of life.
Obviously we make every attempt not to allow insults to individuals or groups of people, but things do slip by. It is impossible for any Moderator to read every post, we read what we can, when we can.
We depend on members reporting things when they see a problem, every Moderator reads the Reports, we never ignore them. We Do Not take it lightly when a member leaves, but it is "their choice".
Exactly this. If you make a post that says you don't like something, it might take awhile for someone to find it. When you use the "Report to moderator" button, I get an email and the phone in my pocket beeps. It's like calling the fire department. We are here to help, but you can help us help you. Hugs, Devlyn
Love you Jamie!
It's a very difficult challengde to keep the diffrence transgender categories all together, all with diffrent view and opinions, yet neither supressing the freedom of speach neither stepping on someone.
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alot of transgenders do have issues with other kinds of transgenders. we can look at some exemples about, stealth/open, or binary/non-binary. I think we all make mistakes but we just have to try our best to work together, and even doing our best I dont belive its posible to be 100% free of troubles of hard discussions.
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We have actually had those discussions in my local comunety before because this is a very big problem where I live. I think some of the best advice would be,
1, you can say your opinion if its constructive positive or negative. so if your critical about something you gonna explain why, and you may also come up with a suggestion how to make things better .
"You are stupid" <-- is bad "I dont think its a good way they way you do this, maybe try" <-- is good
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2, always speak for yourself.
"you need homones" "transgenders feel like___" is speaking of someone ells.
"in my opinion" "I think" "I belive" you only talk for yourself.
3, and remember the basic its suport, we need each other so lets get the best out of it. ::)
these are some of the rules we try to live by.
Quote from: Lo on August 27, 2013, 01:34:47 PM
I think the problem is that a lot of posters don't remember the report function is there much of the time
Lo might have hit the nail on the head. These members could be like the students who e-mail me to find out the homework assignment or the late paper policy when it has been there in the syllabus all along.
Perhaps the report button needs to be more prominent.
We occasionally go through a cycle like this one and make a public plea for people to report offensive posts, but that's apparently not enough to remind people year round.
Quote from: Arch on August 27, 2013, 01:45:56 PM
Lo might have hit the nail on the head. These members could be like the students who e-mail me to find out the homework assignment or the late paper policy when it has been there in the syllabus all along.
Perhaps the report button needs to be more prominent.
We occasionally go through a cycle like this one and make a public plea for people to report offensive posts, but that's apparently not enough to remind people year round.
I run a forum and even -I- forget the report function is there! I get an email from the forum server every now and then and wonder "what the heck is this?" every single time.
Maybe make it bright red and flashing. :P
My syllabus is bright green, and they still forget to use it...
I recently found an offensive and moronic remark on here and got in a beef with the author instead of reporting it.Not for the first time as the moderators will tell you.
Quote from: Lo on August 27, 2013, 01:32:42 PM
Now the disclaimer is that I haven't been here long AT ALL, and I have a tendency to be hypervigilant and see patterns where there may or may not be any. I also understand that MtFs have it much worse as a group than AFAB TGs and TSs, so I personally have to check myself when I feel my hackles getting raised by someone venting about masculinity and things of that sort.
But in my short time here I have seen a number of posters talk negatively about men and masculinity in all sorts of topics, insinuating that masculinity is inherently this or that, and that femininity and womanhood is inherently better. I don't go into the binary MtF/FtM subforums, so these sentiments are being aired out in the open. And that's not to mention the recent thread that was closed where it was revealed that a poster or two endorsed/was apathetic toward the abuse of men. I don't know how often that happens, but I'm glad that it was nipped in the bud sooner rather than later.
As a nonbinary, I have other issues with the environment here, but they are nothing major, and there's only so much I can realistically expect from a place that tries to provide for binary and nonbinary trans* people. It's also neither here nor there. :V
Hi again, Lo (Can't help it now... ;D)
I suspect that binaries (MtF and MtF) are very much in majority here and can fully understand that others may feel a bit marginalized at times. I also gues that many MtF's have some issues with certain types of masculinity, I certainly do, but again guess that it comes with the territory. All of that being said, I sincerely believe that most people here show very high levels of acceptance of all the differences that exist in life and those that don't are very much the outliers.
Once that is said, we all sort of decide what we choose to focus on, the negatives or the positives. Personnally, I decided a long time ago to focus on the positives and did myself a very big favor in the processs.
Wishing you all the best.
Donna
Misandry is equally as stupid as misogyny. I don't get how people could judge an entire gender or sex on the actions of few individuals. It's the same issue with racism and other forms of bigotry. There is no justification for such beliefs.
A suggestion to those who take offense to some of the posts, realize that not every view reflects the staff's. Sometimes people may say something that is controversial or in jest yet falls within the terms of service. If that statement remains, discuss the issue with them. Nothing wrong in a conversation. Now if something is offensive and/or violates the terms of service, make sure to report it. That way the moderators can attend to it quickly. In either case, one shouldn't blame the mods for the statements that other people make. They have a huge job to do with limited resources. Give them the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: Beth Andrea on August 28, 2013, 02:01:49 AM
But this statement in itself is an example of a narrow-minded, absolutist opinion.
I'd be willing to bet you haven't talked to too many bigots--certainly not enough to say "there's no justification for those beliefs."
See how easy it is to do the unthinkable?
If someone tells me that they hate all men, I can't see the justification. One can have many negative personal experiences with members of a group without needing to throw a whole group of people under the bus. I maintain there is no justification to hate an entire subsection of people based on things beyond their control like gender and race. I do talk to enough people to understand how they form their views, but that isn't a reason to throw everyone into a category of people to dislike.
If I'm ignorant, forgive me. However, what would be the justification for disliking an entire group of people for something beyond their control?
Quote from: Beth Andrea on August 28, 2013, 02:37:47 AM
First of all, you're making the assumption the hating or disliking an entire group based on just a few examples is a choice...love, like hate, is not so easy as to be a choice much of the time. It is a combination of what one feels in their heart, affected by the culture they are a part of, and to a more or less fraction of reason.
I suggest that this emotion is not voluntary, but innate to the person's life and life experiences. Yet, you diminish the value of that life and culture when you claim thee is no justification.
Secondly, a mistake that is often made (especially about racists), is that they hate others "because of the color of the skin". This is not only a false assumption, it is made from being unaware of one's own ignorance (not saying you are ignorant, LtL) I have never heard a racist say he hates blacks "because they have black skin." The more intelligent ones do make an effort at using reason and evidence to support their beliefs...and just because your personal values will not allow you to accept their evidence, doesn't make them wrong--or you right. Remember, personal values (love, hate, reason vs. emotion, etc) are, for the most part, involuntary and difficult to change--or challenge unless one steps well outside the culture which created those values.
But, since it is difficult to do that, in the interest of keeping the lines of communication open, one should not use absolutes, and should also allow others to have their opinions without resorting to name calling or other forms of abuse, no matter what one may think of their views and culture.
I would say there is a difference between justification and explanation. One can explain why the hitler youth existed without claiming it is justified. One can explain misandry without saying it is justified. It's not discounting personal experience and culture. For example, a woman who has been attacked by multiple men and taught to hate them may have a reason to support her dislike of men. However, she isn't justified for labelling all men based on the actions of the few or even the majority. That isn't even if she was taught to believe that. We may have an explanation, but that doesn't mean it is right or justified.
As for racists, what evidence? I'm not claiming it's because of one's skin color. They could have grievances and even have been the victim of crime from members of a particular racial group. That could explain their dislike and hatred, but it doesn't justify it.
Remember, explanation is descriptive while justification claims a belief is rationally warranted. I think this is a important distinction. So, I would agree that there may be an explantion to bigotry, but you can't convince me that it is ever justified when judging factors beyond someone's control.
Just my opinion, not fighting with you. :)
Unfortunately trying to teach tolerance is like teaching a fish to ride a bicycle.
Can I reiterate what other Mods have said. We can't read everything.
Ok we try, I realised the other day that I have my IPad running next to my computer at work so I stay logged on to the site all day, but I do also have to do a job. When I come home guess where I am! I'm not unusual in this, other Mods are the same, we are on this place for crazy hours.
If you don't like a post report it. We would rather have reports that we can look at and discuss to see if they are appropriate or not, than have people suffer because they are being triggered by posts.
Just so you know the process: You report a post and a message box comes up asking you what is wrong, you write a short message. It goes to a Moderator Report, that is flagged by all Mods, we read it and add a comment for other Mods and Admin to discuss. If it is spam whatever we kill straight away and ban the spammer. If it is a concern about a member we investigate. Unless it is a crisis we will leave the report open so we can discuss the best way of dealing with it. We then write a report in the 'Moderator Abilities' area. Here only GM and Admin can access and talk about the situation. The reports are reviewed by FA and Susan. If we GM's have messed up we are hung drawn and quartered, put in a pillory and flogged :laugh:.
If we have done a great job, we get ignored :laugh:.
But that is the process, we try to give a measured even handed response without jumping on people unless we can avoid it.
But for this to work well we need you.
We need you to tell us if a post is triggering etc.
And with exception of myself, the Mods are only human and make mistakes.
I, of course, am a Goddess, so my mistakes are Divine.
Cindy
Quote from: Lo on August 27, 2013, 01:32:42 PM
Now the disclaimer is that I haven't been here long AT ALL, and I have a tendency to be hypervigilant and see patterns where there may or may not be any. I also understand that MtFs have it much worse as a group than AFAB TGs and TSs, so I personally have to check myself when I feel my hackles getting raised by someone venting about masculinity and things of that sort.
But in my short time here I have seen a number of posters talk negatively about men and masculinity in all sorts of topics, insinuating that masculinity is inherently this or that, and that femininity and womanhood is inherently better. I don't go into the binary MtF/FtM subforums, so these sentiments are being aired out in the open. And that's not to mention the recent thread that was closed where it was revealed that a poster or two endorsed/was apathetic toward the abuse of men. I don't know how often that happens, but I'm glad that it was nipped in the bud sooner rather than later.
As a nonbinary, I have other issues with the environment here, but they are nothing major, and there's only so much I can realistically expect from a place that tries to provide for binary and nonbinary trans* people. It's also neither here nor there. :V
I am also non-binary, so I try especially hard to make sure that our needs and positions are understood. I am still learning about myself, and finds my many flaws. Though it is sad, a number of us stay within the safe confines of the Androgyne Talk board. (Where it is very chummy, if I do say so myself! ;) )
But the transgender umbrella covers a lot of ground, and I have found the people here to be extremely friendly, when you give them a chance.
Quote from: Erin S on August 27, 2013, 01:41:25 PM
Love you Jamie!
Your avatar suggests you have moved away to some location near the equator!
Quote from: Natkat on August 27, 2013, 01:43:40 PM
It's a very difficult challengde to keep the diffrence transgender categories all together, all with diffrent view and opinions, yet neither supressing the freedom of speach neither stepping on someone.
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alot of transgenders do have issues with other kinds of transgenders. we can look at some exemples about, stealth/open, or binary/non-binary. I think we all make mistakes but we just have to try our best to work together, and even doing our best I dont belive its posible to be 100% free of troubles of hard discussions.
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We have actually had those discussions in my local comunety before because this is a very big problem where I live. I think some of the best advice would be,
1, you can say your opinion if its constructive positive or negative. so if your critical about something you gonna explain why, and you may also come up with a suggestion how to make things better .
"You are stupid" <-- is bad "I dont think its a good way they way you do this, maybe try" <-- is good
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2, always speak for yourself.
"you need homones" "transgenders feel like___" is speaking of someone ells.
"in my opinion" "I think" "I belive" you only talk for yourself.
3, and remember the basic its suport, we need each other so lets get the best out of it. ::)
these are some of the rules we try to live by.
You make good points, Natkat. Much of the time, people just want to be heard. So many of us live in isolation.
Susan has established some rules here, so that the discourse stays civil. There are only a couple of subjects that are "off limits" - mostly because they have caused so many problems in the past. And one of Susan's most fundamental rules is that everybody here is equal, or in her own words, no one "is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others."
My own feeling is I
want to hear what people from other parts of the world, or other parts of the gender spectrum have to say. I want to know more about what our European members see things, or how the laws affect our members outside of my own state, and even how I can get a hold of a
good meat pie floater in southern California (damn near impossible). I have learned so much from the members here that it sometimes boggles my mind. And I never want to stop learning. If you are not growing, you're dying.
So, don't feel disaffected. We can always work something out. I want want you to be heard.
Quote from: Arch on August 27, 2013, 01:52:45 PM
My syllabus is bright green, and they still forget to use it...
Well, there's the problem. It needs to be orange. Or maybe goldenrod. Visual impact.
Quote from: Cindy on August 28, 2013, 02:51:47 AM
Just so you know the process: You report a post and a message box comes up asking you what is wrong, you write a short message. It goes to a Moderator Report, that is flagged by all Mods, we read it and add a comment for other Mods and Admin to discuss. If it is spam whatever we kill straight away and ban the spammer. If it is a concern about a member we investigate. Unless it is a crisis we will leave the report open so we can discuss the best way of dealing with it. We then write a report in the 'Moderator Abilities' area. Here only GM and Admin can access and talk about the situation. The reports are reviewed by FA and Susan. If we GM's have messed up we are hung drawn and quartered, put in a pillory and flogged :laugh:.
Cindy
Cindy is not kidding. She is the site Sergeant-at-arms and is in charge of punishment. These are her tools:
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Quote from: Beth Andrea on August 27, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
Imho, much of the "I hate men/masculinity" stems from a long history of severe abuse by men. Yes, it's unresolved anger,
Just a suggestion.
Ehm? Most MTF are former, very masculine, completely passable straight men..so I just can't see how they were severely abused by men. They were mostly just considered as 'one of the boys' by others.
How on earth could they have functioned as passable 'straight' guys in the army and other hypermasculine male occupations?
Perhaps
they severely abused very fem gay guys- future straight MTF...and yes, that happened to me when I was young and confused.
Severely abused by 'straight' men...and a few of them turned out to be lesbian MTF...decades later....and god only knows like what ->-bleeped-<-s they behaved toward ciswomen/their cis wifes/girlfriends....out of confusion and/or jealousy.
I'm very aware of (very masculine) 'straight' guys who can turn out to be closet tv's/cd's/bi's/tg's or even pre ts to this very day.
And they are the ones who can behave very unpleasantly when it comes to gay men, fem mtf and ciswomen too.
But...when they come out of the closet as MTF, tv, cd or whatever...they happen to be the ones 'disliking' cismen by means of shouting down the fact they were cismen themselves and knowing what ->-bleeped-<-s they can be...out of insecurity about their own ID.
Some former very masculine men/MTF even develop a form of 'feminism fetishism'...quite hilarious tbh, considering their behaviour in their 'former lives'.
Quote from: Jamie D on August 28, 2013, 03:41:21 AM
I am also non-binary, so I try especially hard to make sure that our needs and positions are understood. I am still learning about myself, and finds my many flaws. Though it is sad, a number of us stay within the safe confines of the Androgyne Talk board. (Where it is very chummy, if I do say so myself! ;) )
it's definitely much safer there. we always get help very fast if someone starts attacking too much rather than trying to understand. on the other boards it so much easier to get drowned by other posts and threads. and i'm often in a minority consisting of just one person against so many...
i do like to talk with the binaries, though. asking dumb or educated questions are equally ok to me, but when someone starts talking about generalizations as if they are or should be truth, i... well, run away. it might have been simple ignorance or a bad wording, but it's so easy to offend or be offended when we don't even seem to speak the same language at times. we use terms and choose or words assuming the others will understand, because that's what we're used to at our respective boards. but as soon as we venture outside, it becomes so much more important to define what we actually mean with this or that term, specify everything, or everything becomes chaos.
not that i don't like chaos. i just don't like aggressive chaos. make it friendly and playful, and i'll be stuck in it forever.
I Am a misandry offender, and her is a news flash it pisses ME off too. I have several times stated this, and I wil state it again it bothers ME too.
And yes I HAVE read the TOS ladies, so I don't need to be reminded, and yes ladies I HAVE seen that moderating is not to be discussed and I won't be discussing it.
But I want EVERYONE to know something, if you never tell ME you were offended, guess what, I never find out. Never. Because all the comments that come as a result of moderators moderating come from anonymous faceless sources.
I WILL do the right thing if my big mouth has offended and I WILL edit any post that has gotten out of hand because I have no enemies here, there are no people on my ignore list I do not dislike anyone here. I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy and call you family, because frankly calling you friends is in my view a higher and greater level of award. Family you are stuck with, friends is a label that must be earned.
Let me repeat, I do NOT like my misandry, not a single bloody bit. I dislike the reasons for it, and likely always will, but I also hate how it affects me. I hate that it offends people here.
And if no one ever tells me in person, I never really get told.
I don't tend to listen to faceless people. There's already too much of that in our world thanks to the internet.
I am only worried about offending my friends.
I don't know anyone named anonymous.
Quote from: Lesley_Roberta on August 28, 2013, 07:07:18 AM
I Am a misandry offender, and her is a news flash it pisses ME off too. I have several times stated this, and I wil state it again it bothers ME too.
And yes I HAVE read the TOS ladies, so I don't need to be reminded, and yes ladies I HAVE seen that moderating is not to be discussed and I won't be discussing it.
But I want EVERYONE to know something, if you never tell ME you were offended, guess what, I never find out. Never. Because all the comments that come as a result of moderators moderating come from anonymous faceless sources.
I WILL do the right thing if my big mouth has offended and I WILL edit any post that has gotten out of hand because I have no enemies here, there are no people on my ignore list I do not dislike anyone here. I'm not going to get all warm and fuzzy and call you family, because frankly calling you friends is in my view a higher and greater level of award. Family you are stuck with, friends is a label that must be earned.
Let me repeat, I do NOT like my misandry, not a single bloody bit. I dislike the reasons for it, and likely always will, but I also hate how it affects me. I hate that it offends people here.
And if no one ever tells me in person, I never really get told.
I don't tend to listen to faceless people. There's already too much of that in our world thanks to the internet.
I am only worried about offending my friends.
I don't know anyone named anonymous.
Honey, the anonymous moderator reports are from every single one of us. If you have a problem with being told by an anonymous Moderator just imagine it is me, or Jamie, or Devlyn or VM or Sarah Louise or Mrs O'Brien or Seph or FA or Arch or Si.
Mmm anonymous is shorter to write but that is what it means.
moderator report are moderator report, and of course come from a moderator. not may to choose between there...
but lesley does have a point. if we were better at respectfully pointing out someone's mistake in a conversation rather than biting back or running away, maybe we'd be able to communicate a little better. i will keep it in mind, and hope i'll remember next time i see something i find offensive. give the person a chance to correct themselves before reporting it. it's easy to get worked up and write something horribly wrong if there are old traumas or other hidden things behind the emotional reaction.
i would like to know whom i offended and how so i could apologize, if i said something wrong. it's a little difficult to do that if nobody tells me whom i hurt. i do appreciate a reporter's anonymity, so i think that it would be nice if the offended tells the offender directly how they've been hurt, just to give the offender a chance to make up for it. not saying everyone has to do this, i know it's not exactly an easy thing to do, and especially not in a way that won't add fuel to the fire...
Posts can be reported by any one, Taka.. I've been known to report posts in threads I've never posted in.. But was reading the threas and found the post was inappropriate in some way..
Quote from: Taka on August 28, 2013, 09:06:12 AM
moderator report are moderator report, and of course come from a moderator. not may to choose between there...
but lesley does have a point. if we were better at respectfully pointing out someone's mistake in a conversation rather than biting back or running away, maybe we'd be able to communicate a little better. i will keep it in mind, and hope i'll remember next time i see something i find offensive. give the person a chance to correct themselves before reporting it. it's easy to get worked up and write something horribly wrong if there are old traumas or other hidden things behind the emotional reaction.
i would like to know whom i offended and how so i could apologize, if i said something wrong. it's a little difficult to do that if nobody tells me whom i hurt. i do appreciate a reporter's anonymity, so i think that it would be nice if the offended tells the offender directly how they've been hurt, just to give the offender a chance to make up for it. not saying everyone has to do this, i know it's not exactly an easy thing to do, and especially not in a way that won't add fuel to the fire...
Sadly it tends to go to flame war very quickly. We sort of know it from lots of post.
Why do Mods use an anonymous, this may be instructive, when i was a young Mod a did a polite post telling someone their post was rude and to withdraw it. The reply, I know who are are (name given) where you live (address given) and I will be at your next seminar and out you in public.
At that time it meant something. I was terrified.
That is another reason why we use anonymous.
Ye easy being me.
I am wondering about this anony mouse. Is he invisible?
You may have lost another one! But you've re-gained me following my 3 and a half to 4 year absence! :)
Quote from: Cindy on August 28, 2013, 09:56:09 AM
Sadly it tends to go to flame war very quickly. We sort of know it from lots of post.
Why do Mods use an anonymous, this may be instructive, when i was a young Mod a did a polite post telling someone their post was rude and to withdraw it. The reply, I know who are are (name given) where you live (address given) and I will be at your next seminar and out you in public.
At that time it meant something. I was terrified.
That is another reason why we use anonymous.
Ye easy being me.
oh yes, i realize all this. the anonymity is definitely important. i was thinking about if there was someone already in the conversation, it might worth a try. only one though, i wouldn't go farther than that. if i get flaming back, i'll see if i can report instead of just running away.
Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on August 28, 2013, 09:31:11 AM
Posts can be reported by any one, Taka.. I've been known to report posts in threads I've never posted in.. But was reading the threas and found the post was inappropriate in some way..
not saying you shouldn't do that. probably just wishing the world and human communication were easy enough that you didn't have to. and hoping i'll get to know whenever i make a mistake.
i thought i posted something in a thread here, but the post isn't there. either i didn't post or it was removed. do mods ever remove posts without telling the poster why? i'm only asking because i suspect it could have been removed for being slightly inappropriate, but don't know since i can't remember whether i posted it or not.
We make every effort to notify the member if we delete a post. It is our policy to PM the user, but I'm not saying we don't forget once in a while.
Quote from: Jamie D link=topic=147691.msg1215097#how I can get a hold of a good meat pie floater in southern California (damn near impossible).
The heck is THAT? You've got me curious now... I'm officially on a mission to find you your good floaty meat pie thing here.
I would like to add my support & appreciation for all the hard work the mods put in on this site.
I used to be admin on several facebook groups & even with FB notifying you every time someone posts it was hard to stop arguments from getting out of hand, the mods don't have that tool to aid them so we must all remember to moderate our own replies to assist them, they work hard enough as it is.
I don't mean we should tiptoe on eggshells but before we post we should re-read our replies & if there is a chance it can be taken out of context then just take a minute or two to re-word it.
Also, keep in mind that something you say to someones face may be taken the wrong way online because they can't see our faces, alot of communication involves the face/voice & without these someone may not always realise when a comment is meant to be a friendly light hearted joke.
Once again, thank you to all of the staff here for making this one of the best forums i've ever used
Yeah I've seen it. I can't say it was really overt, but it was in the FTM section where I've seen comments (which I took to be maybe funny or something) why someone would *want* to be male. (Well actually don't *want* to be actually, just am.) People usually remind the person "well you are in the FTM section". But I'm sure there's a line there and it could be crossed.
--Jay
there are very many lines, for every person. easy to cross one even when staying inside the tos. that's when i think it's good to politely try to point out they might want to reconsider what they just wrote. things that cross outside the tos should always be reported the way i see it, but if it's in an active conversation it is possible to try and remind people that the tos exist.
Quote from: Sarah Louise on August 28, 2013, 10:33:34 AM
We make every effort to notify the member if we delete a post. It is our policy to PM the user, but I'm not saying we don't forget once in a while.
okay, thank you. i was a little bit worried because i wrote some possibly harsh words in the post. someone might have found it offensive. but then i probably just forgot to check that i'd posted it properly. a small relief.
Quote from: Lo on August 28, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
The heck is THAT? You've got me curious now... I'm officially on a mission to find you your good floaty meat pie thing here.
I've found you exactly two Australian joints in LA: http://losangeles.menupages.com/restaurants/all-areas/all-neighborhoods/australian/
Quote from: aleon515 on August 28, 2013, 11:54:52 AM
Yeah I've seen it. I can't say it was really overt, but it was in the FTM section where I've seen comments (which I took to be maybe funny or something) why someone would *want* to be male. (Well actually don't *want* to be actually, just am.) People usually remind the person "well you are in the FTM section". But I'm sure there's a line there and it could be crossed.
--Jay
But seriously, why would you want to be male? ;) I'm kidding. Men are awesome, I just never was able to be one. :P
Personally, I wish we could all get along better as I think all of us have more in common than not. I'm a gender egalitarian, so I hope we can all remain equal and maintain some mutual respect. Jokes are fine, but there are legit boundaries that I think some come close to crossing. It's rare, but it happens from time to time. I hope everyone will remember there are lots of guys here that need support as well. To be honest, I wish there was some more men around sometimes. We need to close the gender gap and get some more diversity. Homogeneity is boring and overrated.
Quote from: Lo on August 28, 2013, 12:31:59 PM
I've found you exactly two Australian joints in LA: http://losangeles.menupages.com/restaurants/all-areas/all-neighborhoods/australian/
This should get you started:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,127277.msg1020635.html#msg1020635
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,118605.msg941234.html#msg941234
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,121066.msg942257.html#msg942257
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,96149.msg791379.html#msg791379
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,120094.msg939939.html#msg939939
Am I the only one that is getting a mental image of a constipated person who finally got things worked out when those meaty pie floaters are described?
Oh Goddess not pie floaters again!!
Reported post! Run away.
Actually I have this fantasy of force feeding Devlyn with pie floaters.
Ah sparked up the day!
Quote from: Cindy on August 28, 2013, 06:41:58 PM
Oh Goddess not pie floaters again!!
Reported post! Run away.
Actually I have this fantasy of force feeding Devlyn with pie floaters.
Ah sparked up the day!
You gotta catch me first! <running away>
Just adding a vote of support for the mods: you're doing a fine job, and I have never felt insulted or threatened on this site. You're collectively maintaining a friendly, compassionate, opinionated and open forum, and part of why I chose to be a donor is because of the clear work that you people are putting into things. It takes effort to maintain order online, and I speak from experience as someone who has run a forum singlehandedly for the past decade.
Keep up the great work. You're a source of great advice, and you're underappreciated.
Cindy uses her Crocodile Dundee skills to hurl a pie floater with deadly accuracy at a fleeing Devlyn.
Ha! You couldn't hit an elephant from that dist.................
Uh oh, what do you do when the mods start fighting....Susan!!!!
Quote from: Cindy on August 28, 2013, 02:51:47 AM
I, of course, am a Goddess, so my mistakes are Divine.
Cindy
Can I just say that I love you?
Quote from: Antonia J on August 28, 2013, 07:03:30 PM
Can I just say that I love you?
Actually, if you could tell Cindy not to move it would be nice. I have the Divine Goddess branding iron all heated up!
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 28, 2013, 07:07:45 PM
Actually, if you could tell Cindy not to move it would be nice. I have the Divine Goddess branding iron all heated up!
It's like Devlyn has a golf bag full of very specific branding irons, I'd offer to caddy for you but I'm sure there's a caddy brand
I'm the Keeper of the Irons - with the number Cindy has now, I need a small truck, a golf bag doesn't even carry the basics for her..
And I'm almost brand-free..
Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on August 28, 2013, 07:41:15 PM
I'm the Keeper of the Irons - with the number Cindy has now, I need a small truck, a golf bag doesn't even carry the basics for her..
And I'm almost brand-free..
Oh, um, er, hi, Kelly. I kinda borrowed one or two of the irons. I meant to leave a Post-it, um, was there one? I may have forgotten.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 28, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
Oh, um, er, hi, Kelly. I kinda borrowed one or two of the irons. I meant to leave a Post-it, um, was there one? I may have forgotten.
This is why we need an extensive and organized bureaucracy. forms upon forms!
Who moderates the moderators again????
Quote from: Antonia J on August 28, 2013, 08:44:11 PM
Who moderates the moderators again????
Nobody moderates the moderators here, we just stand well back & patch up the survivors when the dust settles :D
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 28, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
Oh, um, er, hi, Kelly. I kinda borrowed one or two of the irons. I meant to leave a Post-it, um, was there one? I may have forgotten.
I'm just warming an iron for you.. I think 'Fiddle Fingers' will do..
Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on August 28, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
I'm just warming an iron for you.. I think 'Fiddle Fingers' will do..
And you've already used Cheeky Monkey on me once!
Quote from: Jayne on August 28, 2013, 09:11:44 PM
Nobody moderates the moderators here, we just stand well back & patch up the survivors when the dust settles :D
Exactly!
Quote from: Lo on August 28, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
The heck is THAT? You've got me curious now... I'm officially on a mission to find you your good floaty meat pie thing here.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wErYIUspx-k%2FUGYp9rK8zJI%2FAAAAAAAACvU%2Feke1r4STiko%2Fs320%2Fpie.jpg&hash=9b1886022184be836933f99c319dc96b04421610)
A south Australian delicacy (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fanissasadventures.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F04%2Frose_colored_glasses.jpg%3Ffit%3D1000%252C1000&hash=697c90af32feb9ac6bb4a7da87d98d412927dcf5)
Quote from: Lo on August 28, 2013, 12:31:59 PM
I've found you exactly two Australian joints in LA: http://losangeles.menupages.com/restaurants/all-areas/all-neighborhoods/australian/
Thank you!
Quote from: some old bag lady on August 28, 2013, 12:56:54 PM
Am I the only one that is getting a mental image of a constipated person who finally got things worked out when those meaty pie floaters are described?
See for yourself
Mmmmm chunder food >:-)
As you might recall, I made my own by immersing a chicken pot pie into some split pea soup. I could not bring myself to slather on the tomato sauce. :-\
As many of you know Cindy and I live in the same city..
She's not being entirely honest about Pie Floaters, there are 2 kinds of people that eat them.. People who are so drunk they'd eat their own excrement and tourists.. Sometimes they are one and the same..
Quote from: Jamie D on August 29, 2013, 03:28:25 AM
As you might recall, I made my own by immersing a chicken pot pie into some split pea soup. I could not bring myself to slather on the tomato sauce. :-\
Definitely a case of chickening out!
Quote from: Jamie D on August 29, 2013, 03:21:02 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wErYIUspx-k%2FUGYp9rK8zJI%2FAAAAAAAACvU%2Feke1r4STiko%2Fs320%2Fpie.jpg&hash=9b1886022184be836933f99c319dc96b04421610)
That looks disgusting. I want to try it.
Some day, I am going to belly up to the pie cart near the GPO on Franklin Street, and have an authentic pie floater.
The pie carts pointed out the egalitarian nature of Australia, wherein one could find all members of society lined up, shoulder to shoulder, for a late night meal.
And to segue back to the topic at hand, "egalitarian" should be a word that describes how Susan's operates.
Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on August 29, 2013, 03:32:18 AM
As many of you know Cindy and I live in the same city..
She's not being entirely honest about Pie Floaters, there are 2 kinds of people that eat them.. People who are so drunk they'd eat their own excrement and tourists.. Sometimes they are one and the same..
A true comment from my Adelaide sister.
These were originally sold from the 'pie cart' in Adelaide (my internet access is playing up so I still can't send pics) but they were only on sale at night when the pubs closed. Bought by the hungry drunk and often deposited on the pavement close to the cart in a semi-digested form.
It was quite a social event, all stages of the process!!
In later years it was tried out as a tourist thingy, but I think it failed.
Kelly are there any operating carts? I don't think so? There was one at Norwood I thought?
The institution existed at the same time as the the 6 O'Clock rush. At that time alcohol sales stopped at 6pm. So guys (it seemed to be a male thing) would leave work and drink a nights full of booze in an hour and be pissed as a rat, need food, eat a pie floater and deal with the consequences.
They would then stagger home to sleep it off.
It was a fascinating time of social growth in South Australia
Egalitarianism?
All drunks are equal. :laugh:
There is one near the GPO still, but I don't know if it does Floaters..
That would be Franklin Street
Quote from: Cindy on August 29, 2013, 03:59:44 AM
That would be Franklin Street
Yeah.. Pretty much right on the corner..
An initial reportable post is often a mistake, often just a person not realizing what they have done, and usually it is best to seek clarification FIRST rather than just go off and report and then generate ill feelings without any effort to allow the offender a chance to realize they offended.
Now, on the other hand, a direct flame, a comment submitted either privately or in obvious reply to a response to an already reported comment, and lets face it , this stuff all has time stamps, so we can TELL when a person has been able to see the objection and has willfully ignored it and continued on...... I wholly support a mod stepping in and STEPPING on the offender.
There is no freedom of speech here, this is Susan's place and I treat it like I would treat my kitchen. Invite only and the second the invite was obviously a mistake, I support Susan or a representative of Susan being in a position to make the person feel unwelcome. And I would support this regardless of how much cash had been put in Susan's pocket by the offender. You can't buy off bad behaviour.
Quote from: Kelly the Post-Trans-Rebel on August 29, 2013, 03:32:18 AM
As many of you know Cindy and I live in the same city..
She's not being entirely honest about Pie Floaters, there are 2 kinds of people that eat them.. People who are so drunk they'd eat their own excrement and tourists.. Sometimes they are one and the same..
That sounds like a particularly revolting Québec speciality I discovered last month, la Poutine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine)You have to try everything in life once but I gave up half way through...Maybe a theme for a new thread "The most revolting dish you ever ate?" :)
I don't know, Donna, looks good to me. French fries and gravy............I approve!
Quote from: Jamie D on August 29, 2013, 03:21:02 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wErYIUspx-k%2FUGYp9rK8zJI%2FAAAAAAAACvU%2Feke1r4STiko%2Fs320%2Fpie.jpg&hash=9b1886022184be836933f99c319dc96b04421610)
A south Australian delicacy (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fanissasadventures.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F04%2Frose_colored_glasses.jpg%3Ffit%3D1000%252C1000&hash=697c90af32feb9ac6bb4a7da87d98d412927dcf5)
Thank you!
See for yourself
There is no way you would get me to try this. I despise both pot pie and pea soup. but the Victoria Bitter looks like it might be worth a taste.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 29, 2013, 01:52:18 PM
I don't know, Donna, looks good to me. French fries and gravy............I approve!
I just replaced the link to the French version of the description to the English version (at first I hadn't even noticed that is was French..). I suggest you try it and tell me afterwards if you still approve... ;)
Hugs
Donna
Quote from: Donna Elvira on August 29, 2013, 02:02:36 PM
I just replaced the link to the French version of the description to the English version (at first I hadn't even noticed that is was French..). I suggest you try it and tell me afterwards if you still approve... ;)
Hugs
Donna
The Chinese place near me sells french fries and gravy on their American menu, they're good! I don't think cheese curds could ruin that.
Disclaimer: I'll put gravy on anything!
Quote from: Donna Elvira on August 29, 2013, 02:02:36 PM
I just replaced the link to the French version of the description to the English version (at first I hadn't even noticed that is was French..). I suggest you try it and tell me afterwards if you still approve... ;)
Hugs
Donna
Looks good except for the cheese curd. Sounds yummy with Bacon or Lobster.
Quote from: Bethany Dawn on August 29, 2013, 02:06:52 PM
Looks good except for the cheese curd. Sounds yummy with Bacon or Lobster.
Hi Beth,
The problem is that without the melted cheese curd it would no longer be a Poutine, would it? . It is also because of this unique mixture of French fries, smoked meat, gravy and melted cheese curds that it is so revolting. Adding lobster to such a mess would in my mind be almost criminal. Just give me the lobster and i'm happy to leave the rest of it to anyone else... :P
That being said, in the middle of the bitterly cold Québec winter, I can just about see how such a dish might make sense. It was over 30°C on a July evening when I tried it! :)
Hugs
Donna
First, that looks horrible,lol. Second, we should all be vegetarians and hug the trees. I suggest it be mandatory. Come on everyone join me in the vegetarian utopia! ;)
Quote from: learningtolive on August 29, 2013, 03:09:01 PM
First, that looks horrible,lol. Second, we should all be vegetarians and hug the trees. I suggest it be mandatory. Come on everyone join me in the vegetarian utopia! ;)
Yeah, um, I'd love to, but I'm in the middle of a meatloaf sandwich!
Talk about topic drift :)
Quote from: Sarah Louise on August 29, 2013, 03:24:55 PM
Talk about topic drift :)
As usual, I think that with sufficient research you will find that the world specialists in continental drift and all variants of the said, our friend
S (no, not ONLY Cindy) from down under, might just be at the origin of the phenomenon... ;)
Drifting down a river of poutine and pea soup.....in a meat pie boat and french fry oars.
Feel free to talk about the revolting regional dishes, but can we stop the pictures? It's one thing to almost vomit when I read the words, but actually seeing it...
Quote from: Michele on August 29, 2013, 04:57:06 PM
Feel free to talk about the revolting regional dishes, but can we stop the pictures? It's one thing to almost vomit when I read the words, but actually seeing it...
You could always use the report to moderator link.
oh wait, those are the moderators....
Quote from: some old bag lady on August 29, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
You could always use the report to moderator link.
Hahahahaha!
Quote from: some old bag lady on August 29, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
You could always use the report to moderator link.
oh wait, those are the moderators....
You can still report us. Of course, we're all busy eating regional delicacies, so it may be awhile until an Investigating Officer shows up! ;D
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 29, 2013, 05:10:40 PM
You can still report us. Of course, we're all busy eating regional delicacies, so it may be awhile until an Investigating Officer shows up! ;D
Stuff runs through you that fast, huh?
Quote from: some old bag lady on August 29, 2013, 05:13:25 PM
Stuff runs through you that fast, huh?
The meat pie floaters? Absolutely. In one end and out the other!
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 29, 2013, 05:10:40 PM
You can still report us. Of course, we're all busy eating regional delicacies, so it may be awhile until an Investigating Officer shows up! ;D
I'm not sure you're using the word "delicacies" correctly.
Everything shown in this thread looks like something only "tasty" at midnight on a Friday after countless beers.
Probably tastes as good coming up as going down, right?
Quote from: Michele on August 29, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
I'm not sure you're using the word "delicacies" correctly.
Everything shown in this thread looks like something only "tasty" at midnight on a Friday after countless beers.
Probably tastes as good coming up as going down, right?
Wow! Does your avatar have to look at my post with such disdain?
French Canadian cuisine is not easy to relate to, but then a lot of things Canadian seem to mystify non Canadians.
Our butter tarts for instance, ahh the wonder of all that sugar, and we also have sugar pies. And recently Lays made for us Maple Moose flavoured potato chips, yes, the taste of maple flavoured moose meat on a potato chip. Me I like to sip maple syrup right out of the bottle.
It isn't likely easy being a diabetic in Canada.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 29, 2013, 03:23:29 PM
Yeah, um, I'd love to, but I'm in the middle of a meatloaf sandwich!
It's impossible to have a problem with anyone sensible enough to enjoy a meatloaf sandwich.
Quote from: Lesley_Roberta on August 29, 2013, 06:25:38 PM
And recently Lays made for us Maple Moose flavoured potato chips, yes, the taste of maple flavoured moose meat on a potato chip.
OMG, I soooo want to live in Canada.
(And while my avatar may have been looking at your posts with disdain, Devlyn Marie, it's looking at Lesley_Roberta's revelation with absolute awe.)
You both just cracked me up, dual winners in the Make Devlyn Smile contest today!
Quote from: Lesley_Roberta on August 29, 2013, 06:25:38 PM
French Canadian cuisine is not easy to relate to, but then a lot of things Canadian seem to mystify non Canadians.
Our butter tarts for instance, ahh the wonder of all that sugar, and we also have sugar pies. And recently Lays made for us Maple Moose flavoured potato chips, yes, the taste of maple flavoured moose meat on a potato chip. Me I like to sip maple syrup right out of the bottle.
It isn't likely easy being a diabetic in Canada.
We also have Ketchup flavor chips. Mmmmmm. And All dressed chips. And Coffee Crisp (coffee flavored chocolate bar)
Yep, Canada, where we have more flavours of chips, than the Liquor store will have types of beer.
And THAT is another truly amazing thing right there, considering how much Canadians like beer.
But, nothing quite tops chocolate wine. No you read that correctly actually, we have wine that it chocolate flavour. Picture Bailey's Irish Bristol Creme, but made from wine from the Niagara region. It's twice the volume, and half the price and it tastes the same.
I have tried it in white and chocolate milk and it is closer to Baileys than Pepsi is to Coke.
It is so great to be Canadian.
Quote from: Lesley_Roberta on August 30, 2013, 09:09:06 AM
It is so great to be Canadian.
Not when a 6-pack of Stella costs $13. ;)
I'll be happy to be Canadian as soon as I know I'll be able to make regular trips to Costco and Trader Joe's in Blaine, WA. :D
Quote from: Sarah Louise on August 29, 2013, 03:24:55 PM
Talk about topic drift :)
I'm not so sure, Sarah. My original post was about a member leaving the site because they got offended. It bemoaned the fact that we don't communicate as well as we should.
So what has this topic proved? That we can talk about anything and do it in a civil, even jocular, manner.
I'd love to see where it goes next. I am guessing the western Provinces or the Outback.
Oh, and by the way. I love Moosehead lager beer.
The basic rule of survival on the Outback is that when you break down you stay with your vehicle and hope someone passes by and helps you.
You can start to play Solitaire and sure enough someone will lean over your shoulder and say "the Jack goes on that Queen"
We suffer from loneliness on this journey, having friends is what can save you. No matter where they come from!
Enough philosophy - someone tell a rude joke!
A woman with no arms or legs is crying on the beach.
A man comes along and asks what is wrong.
"I've never been hugged by a man."
He picks her up, hugs her, and starts to walk away but she's crying.
He asks what is wrong.
"I've never been kissed by a man."
He picks her up, kisses her and starts to walk away, but she's crying.
He asks what is wrong.
"I've never been screwed by a man."
He picks her up, throws her in the water and says "You have now!"
What's the difference between a police car and a porcupine?
The pricks are on the inside of a police car.
How many mice does it take to screw in a light bulb?
There's only room for two.
:police:
Let's all try to stay on topic. Any posts unrelated to the topic will be deleted and/or subject to moderation.
....Oh, it's the mods who are causing chaos this time. Oh the Irony. ::)
;) :D
Quote from: Jamie D on August 30, 2013, 04:08:16 PM
Oh, and by the way. I love Moosehead lager beer.
One of my first trips to Canada about 20 years ago - Windsor, Ontario to be precise - I drank too much Moosehead, far too much Moosehead. I became that tourist everyone was talking about earlier getting sick and eating random mystery meat off of the back of some roach coach.
"Enough philosophy - someone tell a rude joke!"
Why is it a bad idea for women to join the navy?
Well in the navy, they have seamen all over the place.
I didn't mean it that badly.
How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light globe?
None, each light globe contains the seeds of its own revolution.
Love the new avatar, Cindy, you look great! Is that the actual state issued license plate? I have a vanity plate on my car, I've been thinking of switching it to DEVLYN.
Hmm radical increase in worth on that image Cindy. The outfit likes you.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 31, 2013, 08:20:55 AM
Love the new avatar, Cindy, you look great! Is that the actual state issued license plate? I have a vanity plate on my car, I've been thinking of switching it to DEVLYN.
Hear, hear!
Yes, definitely very classy and hard to know if it's the car that brings out the best in you or you who bring out the best in the car... ;)
Hugs
Donna
Quote from: Donna Elvira on August 31, 2013, 08:40:35 AM
Hear, hear!
Yes, definitely very classy and hard to know if it's the car that brings out the best in you or you who bring out the best in the car... ;)
Hugs
Donna
I have to agree with what Donna said - Cindy's new pic is very sophisticated and classy and a tad sassy too. I love the new hair style.
Add me to the Cindy-avatar fan club! Looking great! Cindy, you seem to exude confidence in everything you do.
Not that it is part of the original theme of the thread, but I must say that Cindy's new avatar is one sexy woman sitting on one sexy car. Grrrr.
Thank you, taken Friday afternoon in my drive way
It's a custom state plate Devlyn. I just pay extra for it and it is worth it!
I guess I'm not hiding from anyone anymore!