They give me such a hard time, I was crying all day today , I had to go home because of the cramping, I'm so uncomfortable it 's nasty and doesn't feel right, That's one of the reasons I feel less of a man sometimes, It was to the point were I started cutting again I keep forgetting have them
those
Hey Brandon, I'm currently having the same problem... I got very dysphoric last night and it continued to this afternoon along with the physical pain. All I could do to help it was do some yard work to try to distract myself, and it seemed to help a bit. I really don't think cutting will help. I cut myself for almost 10 years, and still struggle with thoughts about doing it but it just makes things worse. Please please try not to do that again.
Do you have any hobbies that could distract you? Like video games or books that you can get immersed in? For me that is the best thing to become distracted by, I hope it helps you out. And is it possible that you could start taking bc to make the bleeding not happen every month?
Quote from: Alex on September 24, 2013, 09:08:24 PM
Hey Brandon, I'm currently having the same problem... I got very dysphoric last night and it continued to this afternoon along with the physical pain. All I could do to help it was do some yard work to try to distract myself, and it seemed to help a bit. I really don't think cutting will help. I cut myself for almost 10 years, and still struggle with thoughts about doing it but it just makes things worse. Please please try not to do that again.
Do you have any hobbies that could distract you? Like video games or books that you can get immersed in? For me that is the best thing to become distracted by, I hope it helps you out. And is it possible that you could start taking bc to make the bleeding not happen every month?
Yea their are some things I could do, No I'm gonna have to wait to start T
Quote from: androidnick on September 24, 2013, 09:48:04 PM
Do not continue cutting. It DOES NOT solve the problems you have an in fact all it does is create more problems for you because you'll have to deal with these scars for the rest of your life. You need to find something that makes you happy Brandon. I'm on T and guess what I got today? My period. Yeah it sucks but I know eventually I won't have one. You need to have this mentality. One day it will be gone. keep your head up Brandon but self-injury is not the answer.
Yea I know, And yea but once you get on T it does not just stop it takes 3 months before it stops
This is not what you will want to hear, but I believe you could benefit from the "the pill" like I did when I was a teen with horrible "those". I couldn't even sleep through mine they were so bad. The "heaviest" products available weren't enough even for a night's sleep. That bad. I wound up on a type of "the pill" that stops them for at least three months (although there are some kinds that can stop them year-round). Please consider that option. I know it will help you. But you have to say something to someone, your family or doctor, to get them. I am fully aware it isn't the stuff you want to be on ideally, but T isn't an option yet. I understand the frustration of that. Believe me I do. But I got through it. You can as well.
Please stop harming yourself. Its not going to do anything for you and it could very well lead to situations you really don't want... a 5150 is not pretty. Trust me you don't want that to happen. If your school catches wind of it or sees it, other problems will result.
Quote from: Magnus on September 24, 2013, 09:56:16 PM
This is not what you will want to hear, but I believe you could benefit from the "the pill" like I did when I was a teen with horrible "those". I couldn't even sleep through mine they were so bad. The "heaviest" products available weren't enough even for a night's sleep. That bad. I wound up on a type of "the pill" that stops them for at least three months (although there are some kinds that can stop them year-round). Please consider that option. I know it will help you. But you have to say something to someone, your family or doctor, to get them. I am fully aware it isn't the stuff you want to be on ideally, but T isn't an option yet. I understand the frustration of that. Believe me I do. But I got through it. You can as well.
Please stop harming yourself. Its not going to do anything for you and it could very well lead to situations you really don't want... a 5150 is not pretty. Trust me you don't want that to happen. If your school catches wind of it or sees it, other problems will result.
My family won't allow it so I have no choice, One of my school couselours already knows
I find drinking lots of water helps.
Otherwise, like others said above, you just need to distract yourself somehow.
Quote from: Brandon on September 24, 2013, 10:03:56 PM
My family won't allow it so I have no choice, One of my school couselours already knows
You could go to Planned Parenthood to get it. I knew girls in high school who got it there without their parents permission. If you don't feel comfortable hat route, perhaps you csn discuss it with your primary care doctor on your next visit. If your period is that bad, your regular doctor might be able to talk to your parents about the pill, or recommend something else for you to take.
Quote from: LearnedHand on September 24, 2013, 10:20:52 PM
I find drinking lots of water helps.
Otherwise, like others said above, you just need to distract yourself somehow.
You could go to Planned Parenthood to get it. I knew girls in high school who got it there without their parents permission. If you don't feel comfortable hat route, perhaps you csn discuss it with your primary care doctor on your next visit. If your period is that bad, your regular doctor might be able to talk to your parents about the pill, or recommend something else for you to take.
Im just gonna man up and deal with it until I get on T, Getting on BC will just make me more dysphoric
Frankly, I don't think this is something you can try to just ignore especially since you say it is driving you to self-harm. That can't continue. That is in fact the stark opposite of dealing with it.
Go to a clinic (or your regular doctor) by yourself (under most State's law in the US, this is YOUR business, the doctor cannot tell your family unless YOU give them express permission to) and tell them you need Depo-provera. There is no estrogen in it. It is just progesterone. And before you shoot that down, progesterone is present in both genders and at nearly the same amount. It is necessary for both genders. It is not a male or female hormone. But it is the very hormone in females that stops the "things". And it is a shot, not a pill. You just go in to the clinic (or your regular doctor), get it and that's it... until the next one (there is no reason or excuse why you can't get to your doctor or a clinic by yourself once every three months). It should drastically decrease or stop altogether your "things". While it is technically birth control, it is actually nothing like the others because there are NO female hormones in it. Just progesterone. I'm not lying to you, go check the facts for yourself and make a decision.
I'm not saying its a miracle and will work in the way you want overnight but the vast majority that take it don't get "those" anymore at all, so long as they continue it. But these are all excellent things to discuss with a doctor. Please do so. And, if you do and they try and weasel out of it. Get creative for why you need it. Example: "I've tried the other methods but they don't work and cause ___________ that I can't handle". It's that simple.
This is about the only option I can see left available for you to really resolve the problem. It is what I would do in your situation. I never was on this because I had no problem taking the pills. At the end of the day, I had to decide what was worse. Being on female pills... or the terrible "thing" that was severely disrupting my life. I chose the pills. Don't regret it.
I'm just curious, uhm, why doesn't your family want you to take birth control pills? I can't really understand why.
Quote from: Brandon on September 24, 2013, 09:54:04 PM
Yea I know, And yea but once you get on T it does not just stop it takes 3 months before it stops
You need to do more research on T. There is no set in stone time at all. 3 months would be quite rare to be completely free of it actually. Some folks can still have it up to around a year or so on T. That's unlikely but if you ever plan to go on T, research it a bit more so you know what to actually expect, or you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Very little of the changes happen at set times, it's different for everyone.
I think you need to find some way to cope with it, and talking about it could help. Cutting yourself is never the answer. If you can't handle hell week now, on T it's going to be worse until it stops because it becomes entirely unpredictable. That's a recipe for disaster when you find yourself cutting even though you know roughly when it's coming. As is, right now, mine could come any moment. And I've had two weird days months apart where I bled a teeny bit for just one day with no lead up or indication it would happen. This is why using this time to build coping mechanisms would be time well spent. I believe it was Jay who talked about having a plan in another thread, part of your plan could be to learn to cope and the following could help:
Make an appointment to see a doctor you trust and ask for help. If your parents won't help, then screw your parents. This is your life, not theirs and you need to look out for number 1 and cut out the opposition. If you can't see a GP, go to a clinic or hospital. If you're cutting, then there's your reason to get help and see a therapist. When you admit to cutting you become an at risk minor and will get help!
The best plan of attack, in my opinion is to make a plan and get proactive.
Brandon,
First of all, sorry you have to deal with this. I know it isn't fun and in fact, shouldn't even exist.
But I keep reading posts from you about things you can not change. You made a post about being born a man, having a 'real' penis, producing sperm and the likes. All things that can't be changed, so you brushed all advices aside. Being stationary, without progress, is what drags people down. And I see this a lot in you.
But now you post about something you can actually change. Going to the doctor and getting that progesterone shot sounds like a very good solution. There are no excuses to not take it. It would solve one issue which is clearly bothering you enough to make you cut yourself. So it is time to act. Seize the fact that you can finally change something. Make progess. It would maybe solve 'just' one issue in this big dysphoric soup, but it is a big one. And the fact you are moving forward will be a really big pick me up, trust me.
Also, if you are cutting yourself and are still not allowed to see a therapist, then it is time to call child services. In my eyes, that is neglect from your parent's side.
The time to act is now.
Quote from: Jack_M on September 25, 2013, 02:50:47 AM
You need to do more research on T. There is no set in stone time at all. 3 months would be quite rare to be completely free of it actually. Some folks can still have it up to around a year or so on T. That's unlikely but if you ever plan to go on T, research it a bit more so you know what to actually expect, or you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Very little of the changes happen at set times, it's different for everyone.
I think you need to find some way to cope with it, and talking about it could help. Cutting yourself is never the answer. If you can't handle hell week now, on T it's going to be worse until it stops because it becomes entirely unpredictable. That's a recipe for disaster when you find yourself cutting even though you know roughly when it's coming. As is, right now, mine could come any moment. And I've had two weird days months apart where I bled a teeny bit for just one day with no lead up or indication it would happen. This is why using this time to build coping mechanisms would be time well spent. I believe it was Jay who talked about having a plan in another thread, part of your plan could be to learn to cope and the following could help:
Make an appointment to see a doctor you trust and ask for help. If your parents won't help, then screw your parents. This is your life, not theirs and you need to look out for number 1 and cut out the opposition. If you can't see a GP, go to a clinic or hospital. If you're cutting, then there's your reason to get help and see a therapist. When you admit to cutting you become an at risk minor and will get help!
The best plan of attack, in my opinion is to make a plan and get proactive.
I'm not gonna say screw my parents at all, Because I do have good parents, And I researched about everything about T that's what it said I'm not saying its a fact
Quote from: A on September 25, 2013, 02:27:23 AM
I'm just curious, uhm, why doesn't your family want you to take birth control pills? I can't really understand why.
Trust me you don't know my mom she figures out everything, That's why I'm gonna wait
Quote from: Mr.X on September 25, 2013, 04:21:27 AM
Brandon,
First of all, sorry you have to deal with this. I know it isn't fun and in fact, shouldn't even exist.
But I keep reading posts from you about things you can not change. You made a post about being born a man, having a 'real' penis, producing sperm and the likes. All things that can't be changed, so you brushed all advices aside. Being stationary, without progress, is what drags people down. And I see this a lot in you.
But now you post about something you can actually change. Going to the doctor and getting that progesterone shot sounds like a very good solution. There are no excuses to not take it. It would solve one issue which is clearly bothering you enough to make you cut yourself. So it is time to act. Seize the fact that you can finally change something. Make progess. It would maybe solve 'just' one issue in this big dysphoric soup, but it is a big one. And the fact you are moving forward will be a really big pick me up, trust me.
Also, if you are cutting yourself and are still not allowed to see a therapist, then it is time to call child services. In my eyes, that is neglect from your parent's side.
The time to act is now.
My mom doesn't know I'm cutting my mom is already stressed out enough with other things which is why I don't bother telling her
I and all of the Mods have looked over your threads and asked the guys to advise you.
Can I just say being TG is not nice.
Tell me about it.
Get to a counselor in your school and talk.
Maybe pro-active may help.
Complaining about it doesn't.
I know you are young, you have chances, take them
Cindy
Quote from: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 05:46:08 AMI'm not gonna say screw my parents at all, Because I do have good parents
QuoteTrust me you don't know my mom she figures out everything, That's why I'm gonna wait
QuoteMy mom doesn't know I'm cutting my mom is already stressed out enough with other things which is why I don't bother telling her
I'm no therapist, but I do think I'm seeing a large part of the real problem here. From your own omission (quote 2) it isn't because your mom actually doesn't want you to, or has said no. It's because you haven't even approached her at all about this and are scared to, isn't it? I can understand that and I think I can also deduce why that would be. You don't want her to find out the real reason why you want and need this. Which is also perfectly understandable. However, I now feel it important to say to you that millions of people with this problem are on a management therapy because they can't handle the severity of it either, for their own reasons whatever they are. You don't have to tell your mom its because your trans that you need this. Few people like this. Most hate it too. That's why they came up with these ways of reducing it or even now getting rid of it. There's no reason or way she would become suspicious of any ulterior/extenuating reasons solely over this. If that's what you're worried about, you're worrying over nothing there.
Also, I feel it would hurt your mom more to find out the facts later and when she does eventually find out (quote 2 again), whether by you or on her own. You really need to have a conversation with her about this (if not the other things) and soon. You don't have to go into the self-harm with her (although I really think you need to do that as well, to someone in a capacity that can actually help you because that is way beyond my or anyone else's capability here, IMO). But you do need to get yourself a way to stop hurting yourself and if the only way for that to happen is no more 'problem', then you need either those pills or that shot.
If you really wanted/needed that, you wouldn't let anything stand in your way of getting it.
So why are you?
You know, I regret the lack of communication I had with my mom throughout my childhood and adolescence. I realize now the reason for that is because I was being stupid in letting my fears stand in my way of it because I thought I needed to keep my distance so she'd never find out. I thought if she knew I was trans she would hate me and disown me on the spot, toss me right out of the house the second I turned 18. You know what? None of it happened. I didn't trust her when I should have. Looking back on the cowardly way I had to go and get myself
absolutely drunk to tell her just after 18, its comical and sad at the same time. What I got was "why didn't you tell me earlier?" and it about knocked me over. Not to say it was a bed of roses, that there weren't some other issues down the road but that's a far sight better than anything I ever thought would have been the outcome with my mom over this.
My point is. Your mom may surprise you. If you trust her. If what you've said about her (quote 1) is true, you've got nothing to worry about. What I see, the brunt of your immediate core of problems rests with your lack of communication with your mom. Your fear of her figuring it all out. About this. And when I say this, I mean the trans thing.
I wouldn't ordinarily go here but I think in your case... the band-aid needs to be yanked off. When it's over it's over. You can then stop worrying about it. It will be better. The not knowing and the worrying about the maybe's is the real torture. Not the actual knowing, knowing where you stand. I know. I've been there. I know you won't believe me now, but that's as it really is. Unless you already genuinely
know her knowing would make your situation worse (and not THINKING it but I mean
knowing)... well, I think you get the point well enough at that and I'll let you think about it now. But you never know, she could surprise you to the point of wanting to help you get where you really want and need to be. I never expected it but that's why I'm able to be on T now, because of my mom. I couldn't be able to do it otherwise. It's possible. Don't cut her short because of thinking she'll be this way or that way about it because you actually can't know how she'll be about it until you muster the courage to talk to her and find out. No matter how long you wait, whatever is going to happen is going to happen regardless.
I really do think this is at the very heart of your current problems.
As to quote 3. Clearly you care about your mom. I understand your not wanting to burden her with more to deal with. I've also been there and still go there. But I stand by what I said earlier. I think it will be much worse for her when she finds out considerably later. It will hurt her more then than I think it would now.
My $0.2, take it or leave it as you see fit.
Quote from: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 05:50:03 AM
My mom doesn't know I'm cutting my mom is already stressed out enough with other things which is why I don't bother telling her
Hey Brandon, I understand that you might feel this way because I've been there myself. I have a parent with mental health issues and all through my youth I've tried to 'ease her load' by hiding the things that I was struggling with. You can take it from me that that's generally not what a parent wants (sometimes there are exceptions but then we are back to child services). You say you have good parents, and I know that that means they'll want to know because it doesn't matter how much they have to deal with they'll probably want you to be safe and healthy. If your mom cares about you (and I'm sure she does) she'll want to know and try to help even though she has her own issues, that's what parents do! And chances are if she finds out later, it will give her more stress because she'll feel guilty about not being there for you.
Is there any way you can ask your mom to arrange counselling for you without mentioning that it's for trans* issues? Could you tell her you're depressed or something? Please do tell her (or another trusted adult) about the cutting... but you could just say that you're doing it because of depression and you want to see someone about it. You can then tell the counsellor whatever you want; you don't have to mention the trans* stuff to your family until you feel ready, if you have reason to suspect that it isn't a good idea right now. And from what you've said about your family's religious beliefs, you might have good reasons to be hesitant.
As for your original question, I learned to deal with my monthlies by thinking of them as just another curious biological thing that my body does of its own accord, like breathing or sweating or urinating. Who I am as a person has nothing to do with the fact that I urinate... so I don't have to be defined by any other biological functions either.
Quote from: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 05:46:08 AM
I'm not gonna say screw my parents at all, Because I do have good parents, And I researched about everything about T that's what it said I'm not saying its a fact
You researched "everything" and that's what "it" said? So...one thing = everything? What you know is effectively wrong, that's why you need to do more. Believing false truths about T will not help you in your goal. It's not the golden ticket to happiness. Things happen at different rates and dysphoria can shift. You have to demonstrate that you know what T does and that you're of sound mind before you start because it's a roller coaster. You're not able to start T yet, I know that, but if you one day do want to start, you need to effectively grow up. You need to start getting a hold of YOUR life, not the life your parents want. Your parents can't do or fix everything for you, and sometimes they're more counter productive in that area than helpful.
Sometimes I honestly don't know why you ask for advice, Brandon, You're so stubbornly against everything that would help you. You're never happy when people give you good advice. You say your parents won't let you get therapy, I'm telling you that if your parents won't let you get therapy, then screw them. I didn't say turn your back on them entirely, I'm telling you in this situation,
your parents are 100% wrong and what they are doing is
against your best interests. Frankly it's tantamount to child abuse to not provide adequate care and support for a child. Plain and simple! It honestly seems you'd rather just complain and blame everything on everyone and everything else than actually seek help!
Life would be so much easier if we'd be born the right gender in the first place. We ALL know that! But when you focus on that it is a colossal waste of time! This is something that absolutely cannot ever be changed. You cannot change what's happened no matter how much you complain about it. But, there's plenty that can be done to at first deal with the issues that stem from that mistake, and start the process to try to fix it and better our lives. It might never be perfect, but then whose life is perfect?
Here's your only two options:
- Actually get off your butt and do something and have a happier life.
- Keep complaining and become even more bitter.
Quote from: Jack_M on September 25, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
You say your parents won't let you get therapy, I'm telling you that if your parents won't let you get therapy, then screw them. I didn't say turn your back on them entirely, I'm telling you in this situation, your parents are 100% wrong and what they are doing is against your best interests. Frankly it's tantamount to child abuse to not provide adequate care and support for a child. Plain and simple!
I'm not saying your wrong in the aspect of his parents being wrong for not letting him have therapy (although in this case they might not even have said no, it's a question of not asking) but throwing with words like child abuse and screw your parents are bound to get a strong reaction from Brandon. That's simple loyalty and even a child that has been truly abused would give you that reaction. I don't think it's fair to make judgments like that based on the little info we get from him. And I think it can be expected for a person to strongly defend against such thing.
That said I sort of agree with the worry about how Brandon, you seem to find it hard to actually look for a solution instead of just wanting to rant about how bad life is. Now I understand that feeling, but sadly after a certain time it won't actually do anything for you. In fact you seem to get stuck in how people are against you and how there is no possible solution for your problem. That's not an attitude that will help you move forward in your life, although again I understand that it might seem true to you at the moment. If you don't put in the effort of looking at possible solutions and giving them a chance before you turn them down you'll never find one. I can see how hard it is for you do go through all you have been going through and I really want to say it gets better, except it will only get better because of the work YOU put in. Nobody else can make it better Brandon, it's your life and you
will make it awesome!
Brandon has said a lot here and based on what he's directly said, therapy isn't an option because of parental reaction. if parents say no to necessary treatment, it's time to find a way around the issue.
Quote from: Cindy on September 25, 2013, 06:00:59 AM
I and all of the Mods have looked over your threads and asked the guys to advise you.
Can I just say being TG is not nice.
Tell me about it.
Get to a counselor in your school and talk.
Maybe pro-active may help.
Complaining about it doesn't.
I know you are young, you have chances, take them
Cindy
Ive already talked to a counselour right know she's doing senoir meetings I'm a jr so I have to wait
Quote from: Magnus on September 25, 2013, 07:49:09 AM
I'm no therapist, but I do think I'm seeing a large part of the real problem here. From your own omission (quote 2) it isn't because your mom actually doesn't want you to, or has said no. It's because you haven't even approached her at all about this and are scared to, isn't it? I can understand that and I think I can also deduce why that would be. You don't want her to find out the real reason why you want and need this. Which is also perfectly understandable. However, I now feel it important to say to you that millions of people with this problem are on a management therapy because they can't handle the severity of it either, for their own reasons whatever they are. You don't have to tell your mom its because your trans that you need this. Few people like this. Most hate it too. That's why they came up with these ways of reducing it or even now getting rid of it. There's no reason or way she would become suspicious of any ulterior/extenuating reasons solely over this. If that's what you're worried about, you're worrying over nothing there.
Also, I feel it would hurt your mom more to find out the facts later and when she does eventually find out (quote 2 again), whether by you or on her own. You really need to have a conversation with her about this (if not the other things) and soon. You don't have to go into the self-harm with her (although I really think you need to do that as well, to someone in a capacity that can actually help you because that is way beyond my or anyone else's capability here, IMO). But you do need to get yourself a way to stop hurting yourself and if the only way for that to happen is no more 'problem', then you need either those pills or that shot.
If you really wanted/needed that, you wouldn't let anything stand in your way of getting it.
So why are you?
You know, I regret the lack of communication I had with my mom throughout my childhood and adolescence. I realize now the reason for that is because I was being stupid in letting my fears stand in my way of it because I thought I needed to keep my distance so she'd never find out. I thought if she knew I was trans she would hate me and disown me on the spot, toss me right out of the house the second I turned 18. You know what? None of it happened. I didn't trust her when I should have. Looking back on the cowardly way I had to go and get myself absolutely drunk to tell her just after 18, its comical and sad at the same time. What I got was "why didn't you tell me earlier?" and it about knocked me over. Not to say it was a bed of roses, that there weren't some other issues down the road but that's a far sight better than anything I ever thought would have been the outcome with my mom over this.
My point is. Your mom may surprise you. If you trust her. If what you've said about her (quote 1) is true, you've got nothing to worry about. What I see, the brunt of your immediate core of problems rests with your lack of communication with your mom. Your fear of her figuring it all out. About this. And when I say this, I mean the trans thing.
I wouldn't ordinarily go here but I think in your case... the band-aid needs to be yanked off. When it's over it's over. You can then stop worrying about it. It will be better. The not knowing and the worrying about the maybe's is the real torture. Not the actual knowing, knowing where you stand. I know. I've been there. I know you won't believe me now, but that's as it really is. Unless you already genuinely know her knowing would make your situation worse (and not THINKING it but I mean knowing)... well, I think you get the point well enough at that and I'll let you think about it now. But you never know, she could surprise you to the point of wanting to help you get where you really want and need to be. I never expected it but that's why I'm able to be on T now, because of my mom. I couldn't be able to do it otherwise. It's possible. Don't cut her short because of thinking she'll be this way or that way about it because you actually can't know how she'll be about it until you muster the courage to talk to her and find out. No matter how long you wait, whatever is going to happen is going to happen regardless.
I really do think this is at the very heart of your current problems.
As to quote 3. Clearly you care about your mom. I understand your not wanting to burden her with more to deal with. I've also been there and still go there. But I stand by what I said earlier. I think it will be much worse for her when she finds out considerably later. It will hurt her more then than I think it would now.
My $0.2, take it or leave it as you see fit.
No she's is still gonna ask why, She already knows I'm transgender shes just gonna tell me to deal with it and thats its apart of womanhood
Quote from: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:10:07 PM
No she's is still gonna ask why, She already knows I'm transgender shes just gonna tell me to deal with it and thats its apart of womanhood
What's more important, suffering through womanhood or leaving school early because you're cramping so bad and crying?
Lots of cis-women take the pill to make periods regular and morebearable. It doesn't have to do with you being trans, its quality of life and getting an education.The pill or other birth control won't make it go away, but more bearable.
Quote from: Jack_M on September 25, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
You researched "everything" and that's what "it" said? So...one thing = everything? What you know is effectively wrong, that's why you need to do more. Believing false truths about T will not help you in your goal. It's not the golden ticket to happiness. Things happen at different rates and dysphoria can shift. You have to demonstrate that you know what T does and that you're of sound mind before you start because it's a roller coaster. You're not able to start T yet, I know that, but if you one day do want to start, you need to effectively grow up. You need to start getting a hold of YOUR life, not the life your parents want. Your parents can't do or fix everything for you, and sometimes they're more counter productive in that area than helpful.
Sometimes I honestly don't know why you ask for advice, Brandon, You're so stubbornly against everything that would help you. You're never happy when people give you good advice. You say your parents won't let you get therapy, I'm telling you that if your parents won't let you get therapy, then screw them. I didn't say turn your back on them entirely, I'm telling you in this situation, your parents are 100% wrong and what they are doing is against your best interests. Frankly it's tantamount to child abuse to not provide adequate care and support for a child. Plain and simple! It honestly seems you'd rather just complain and blame everything on everyone and everything else than actually seek help!
Life would be so much easier if we'd be born the right gender in the first place. We ALL know that! But when you focus on that it is a colossal waste of time! This is something that absolutely cannot ever be changed. You cannot change what's happened no matter how much you complain about it. But, there's plenty that can be done to at first deal with the issues that stem from that mistake, and start the process to try to fix it and better our lives. It might never be perfect, but then whose life is perfect?
Here's your only two options:
- Actually get off your butt and do something and have a happier life.
- Keep complaining and become even more bitter.
Ok first of all again my mom and dad might be stupid to my trans issues but I'm not gonna say screw them, And dude Ive researched everything for like 3 years know I know what I'm getting into as far as T
Quote from: Jack_M on September 25, 2013, 12:46:56 PM
Brandon has said a lot here and based on what he's directly said, therapy isn't an option because of parental reaction. if parents say no to necessary treatment, it's time to find a way around the issue.
Telling me to say screw m parents isn't one of them, Ill be 18 soon anyways
Quote from: LearnedHand on September 25, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
What's more important, suffering through womanhood or leaving school early because you're cramping so bad and crying?
Lots of cis-women take the pill to make periods regular and morebearable. It doesn't have to do with you being trans, its quality of life and getting an education.The pill or other birth control won't make it go away, but more bearable.
I only cried because I'm pissed off that I have to deal with this not because of the cramping, Birth control won't even make it go away anyways, Again its only gonna make me more dysphoric
I have friends who have took it only because they were having sex though
In that case this topic may as well get a lock, no? You have been given plenty of advice and options. It is upto you to decide to not listen to any of it.
I do wish you good luck with whatever you end up doing (or not doing)!
Quote from: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:10:07 PMNo she's is still gonna ask why, She already knows I'm transgender shes just gonna tell me to deal with it and thats its apart of womanhood
Then I again find myself astounded.
If she truly already knows then there's no reason to keep it from her. None of anything. So now I
really fail to see what the problem is of your going down to your doctor or clinic to get the help that you need for this and seemingly greatest immediate problem? A problem that actually is not a problem irregardless of what your mom does or does not know or says or doesn't say about it because there are clinics that you can go to, legally without having to disclose anything to your mom or anyone else about this at all (legislation specifically passed for this and similar reasons, in fact), and that under specifically planned parenthood costs you exactly nothing but the time to get over there. I'm just really failing to see the exact reason why you're unwilling to do it with what I see to be nothing to lose but everything to gain. It does not make the slightest sense. I mean here you were telling us this is bad enough to make you cut yourself. But its not bad enough for you to do anything about it, even with the perfectly valid solution of the gender-neutral progesterone injection to resolve this problem likely altogether for you. And its a shot of hormones not dissimilar to how you're going to be relying on getting your T later, but anything other of which according to you will still cause you dysphoria as if it were the pills with female hormones. But yet also while T somehow won't? How does that work? Either you have the absolute worst dysphoria in the history of all trans persons, or something else is going on here we're not privy too.
In that same vein I really have to say at this point that you are being extremely argumentative and stubbornly unreasonable to the perfectly realistic and valid suggestions and advice that you asked to receive. And I'm beginning to have more than just the suspicion that you're not being honest either with yourself or us about the facts concerning your situation. Example, first she knows, then she doesn't and so on. Which is it really? We can't help you if you won't be honest with us so we can know what actually is going on and what will and won't be possible.
If you keep shooting everything and anything down eventually you will run completely out of options and then where will you be? You are playing a very dangerous game with yourself that you ought not to be. Particularly given your other tone of suicidal feelings. You really need help and I don't think any one of us can provide it for where you're at and your abject unwillingness to do anything for yourself to get out of it. There is only so much we can do. It's up to you now. I hope you make the right decisions and get yourself help however you can.
Quote from: Magnus on September 25, 2013, 04:00:22 PM
Then I again find myself astounded.
If she truly already knows then there's no reason to keep it from her. None of anything. So now I really fail to see what the problem is of your going down to your doctor or clinic to get the help that you need for this and seemingly greatest immediate problem? A problem that actually is not a problem irregardless of what your mom does or does not know or says or doesn't say about it because there are clinics that you can go to, legally without having to disclose anything to your mom or anyone else about this at all (legislation specifically passed for this and similar reasons, in fact), and that under specifically planned parenthood costs you exactly nothing but the time to get over there. I'm just really failing to see the exact reason why you're unwilling to do it with what I see to be nothing to lose but everything to gain. It does not make the slightest sense. I mean here you were telling us this is bad enough to make you cut yourself. But its not bad enough for you to do anything about it, even with the perfectly valid solution of the gender-neutral progesterone injection to resolve this problem likely altogether for you. And its a shot of hormones not dissimilar to how you're going to be relying on getting your T later, but anything other of which according to you will still cause you dysphoria as if it were the pills with female hormones. But yet also while T somehow won't? How does that work? Either you have the absolute worst dysphoria in the history of all trans persons, or something else is going on here we're not privy too.
In that same vein I really have to say at this point that you are being extremely argumentative and stubbornly unreasonable to the perfectly realistic and valid suggestions and advice that you asked to receive. And I'm beginning to have more than just the suspicion that you're not being honest either with yourself or us about the facts concerning your situation. Example, first she knows, then she doesn't and so on. Which is it really? We can't help you if you won't be honest with us so we can know what actually is going on and what will and won't be possible.
If you keep shooting everything and anything down eventually you will run completely out of options and then where will you be? You are playing a very dangerous game with yourself that you ought not to be. Particularly given your other tone of suicidal feelings. You really need help and I don't think any one of us can provide it for where you're at and your abject unwillingness to do anything for yourself to get out of it. There is only so much we can do. It's up to you now. I hope you make the right decisions and get yourself help however you can.
No she knows I'm trans and my mom is not stupid at all she figures out everything, I'm not just relying on.T because I'm going to get surgery to
Brandon, I can understand what you are going through. I get cramps not as bad as yours as I can normally make it through the day at school. It is hard to understand why my body does this to me every month. I have problems with taking female hormones and I consider P a female hormone for when is it given to men, not ever that I have ever heard. P can make your chest grow and give you emotional problems not for me. I do think you need to talk with someone, school counselors are good for me. I know you want to get on T ASAP, I do too.
Hey uhm. Just a thought. Does there exist an "anti-estrogen/anti-period" thing equivalent to the anti-androgens MTFs take?
And uhm, in Brandon's defense, I have to say that I also consider progesterone a female hormone. I'm pretty set on eventually taking it to get my breasts to grow, eventually, myself. Though I completely understand it to be much less "female", if you have to put it on a scale, than estrogen, so I definitely get wanting to get it because the dysphoria (and general pain in the butt for that matter) from having a period is worse than the one from injecting a female product into yourself.
But I can also see the reluctance to getting progesterone and possibly see it have some feminizing effects on the body. Especially when you're in puberty and your body is changing the wrong way, and you really don't want to see it speed up.
Quote from: LearnedHand on September 25, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
What's more important, suffering through womanhood or leaving school early because you're cramping so bad and crying?
Lots of cis-women take the pill to make periods regular and morebearable. It doesn't have to do with you being trans, its quality of life and getting an education.The pill or other birth control won't make it go away, but more bearable.
I had to go on birth control when I was younger because I had my period for 42 days STRAIGHT. And it wasn't small either, it was BAD. I got anemia for it. If you are having really bad cramps and issues, it helps with that. Yea, it might be a little dysphoric to take it, but which would you rather have? A pill you take every morning that you can do without really thinking about it, or, if they are like mine, cramps that literally drop you to your knees or almost make you black out. I've had ovarian cysts rupture, it is NOT fun. Cramps are NO joke and you could have something more serious going on if it is more than just dull pain.
Quote from: Darkie on September 26, 2013, 03:30:40 PM
I had to go on birth control when I was younger because I had my period for 42 days STRAIGHT. And it wasn't small either, it was BAD. I got anemia for it. If you are having really bad cramps and issues, it helps with that. Yea, it might be a little dysphoric to take it, but which would you rather have? A pill you take every morning that you can do without really thinking about it, or, if they are like mine, cramps that literally drop you to your knees or almost make you black out. I've had ovarian cysts rupture, it is NOT fun. Cramps are NO joke and you could have something more serious going on if it is more than just dull pain.
No the cramps just make me remember that I have them it just makes me dysphoric that's all I just hate havng to deal with them because they make me feel less of a man because men don't experience
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
No the cramps just make me remember that I have them it just makes me dysphoric that's all I just hate havng to deal with them because they make me feel less of a man because men don't experience
Men DO experience this. Plenty here do!
I'm getting quite sick of how many times people have to explain this to you, but will you PLEASE think before you post! If you want to be specific use the term cis!
Quote from: Jack_M on September 26, 2013, 03:46:01 PM
Men DO experience this. Plenty here do!
I'm getting quite sick of how many times people have to explain this to you, but will you PLEASE think before you post! If you want to be specific use the term cis!
Well then fine cis men , Yea well I sound dumb to calling myself a man when you have to deal with that, Gosh you know what I meant
Brandon, you said it just as I do. Cramps remind me continuously with the dull pain that I have those parts. Once it stop hurting and use tampons I am much better.
Brandon, how would you feel if someone said you aren't a real man cause you get cramps? You would be upset right? That's how you make people feel when you say things without clarifying you are talking about cis men. People have feelings, respect them.
Brandon, you are obviously at the point right now were you are trying to work everything out. You're trying to reconcile your identity with your religious beliefs, deal with family, which by the sounds of it are unsupportive, and navigate school, none of which are easy on their own. Most people go through a stage of dealing with horrendous dysphoria and having to come to terms with the reality of being trans and the knowledge that you are different from cis-guys. For some people, they work through this and leave it behind, for others, it never goes away. Whether you like it or not, you have to find a way to deal with it, which is what it seems like you are trying to do. Everyone is trying to give you advice, but you just seem to throw it back in their faces. People have limited patience. Yes, sometimes people can overreact, but I strongly suggest you take a minute to really think through what you are saying before posting. It's easy to get caught up in your own opinions and beliefs and forget other people may disagree. In the end this is a support forum, we are all trying to support one another, but there are limits to what people will put up with. Yes you're younger than a lot of people, so are in a different place, but we have ALL been there and have the wisdom gained from life experience. Use this to your advantage. There is a lot everyone here can offer.
Quote from: MaximmusFlavius on September 26, 2013, 04:29:51 PM
Brandon, you are obviously at the point right now were you are trying to work everything out. You're trying to reconcile your identity with your religious beliefs, deal with family, which by the sounds of it are unsupportive, and navigate school, none of which are easy on their own. Most people go through a stage of dealing with horrendous dysphoria and having to come to terms with the reality of being trans and the knowledge that you are different from cis-guys. For some people, they work through this and leave it behind, for others, it never goes away. Whether you like it or not, you have to find a way to deal with it, which is what it seems like you are trying to do. Everyone is trying to give you advice, but you just seem to throw it back in their faces. People have limited patience. Yes, sometimes people can overreact, but I strongly suggest you take a minute to really think through what you are saying before posting. It's easy to get caught up in your own opinions and beliefs and forget other people may disagree. In the end this is a support forum, we are all trying to support one another, but there are limits to what people will put up with. Yes you're younger than a lot of people, so are in a different place, but we have ALL been there and have the wisdom gained from life experience. Use this to your advantage. There is a lot everyone here can offer.
No that's not what I'm doing it will help me at the moment but I eventually get dysphoric again like today but l I didn't wanna make a post about it, The penis envy and chest envy will never go away
Quote from: Darkie on September 26, 2013, 04:11:32 PM
Brandon, how would you feel if someone said you aren't a real man cause you get cramps? You would be upset right? That's how you make people feel when you say things without clarifying you are talking about cis men. People have feelings, respect them.
Ive already had it said to me of course I'm gonna feel that way because that's a womanly thing which hurts me a whole lot, Yea I have feelings to they get hurt sometimes that's life truat me Ive had tons of stuff thrown at me, Which why I'm so dysphoric
I don't understand about you Brandon. Yeah I understand the dysphoria and the age thing as well. But you post a LOT. People tell you the same things, and often give you very excellent advice, but you seem to have your reasons not to listen to any of it. I've been impressed with the quality of some of the posts and comments that people make. You seem very resistant to anything anyone says to you. Does this all help you? Or do you just go on and say "no one gets me".
It's interesting that of anybody here, you've had more locked threads than anybody I have seen. Yes you have it hard, but you don't have a corner on any kind of suffering or anything.
This is a great source of information, advice, community and so on, but you need to use it.
--Jay
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 04:38:43 PM
No that's not what I'm doing it will help me at the moment but I eventually get dysphoric again like today but l I didn't wanna make a post about it, The penis envy and chest envy will never go away
So what are you trying to do? I'm genuinely curious. And yes, quite likely they won't, so you need a way to learn to deal with it. You can spend your life being angry, hating the world, everyone else and quite possibly yourself. Fixating on all the things you can't change. OR, you can put those aside as best you can (listen to other guys and how they deal with dysphoria and body envy) and focus on what you CAN change. Your choice. From personal experience, sure, have a quick indulge in that anger, but move on. It may not feel like you're not in control, but you are. Only YOU can change things. NO-ONE else is going to sort your life out for you. It took me a good while to realise that, but once I did, things got a whole lot better, fast.
Quote from: MaximmusFlavius on September 26, 2013, 04:50:43 PM
So what are you trying to do? I'm genuinely curious. And yes, quite likely they won't, so you need a way to learn to deal with it. You can spend your life being angry, hating the world, everyone else and quite possibly yourself. Fixating on all the things you can't change. OR, you can put those aside as best you can (listen to other guys and how they deal with dysphoria and body envy) and focus on what you CAN change. Your choice. From personal experience, sure, have a quick indulge in that anger, but move on. It may not feel like you're not in control, but you are. Only YOU can change things. NO-ONE else is going to sort your life out for you. It took me a good while to realise that, but once I did, things got a whole lot better, fast.
What works for others might not work for me you ever think of that
Quote from: aleon515 on September 26, 2013, 04:48:56 PM
I don't understand about you Brandon. Yeah I understand the dysphoria and the age thing as well. But you post a LOT. People tell you the same things, and often give you very excellent advice, but you seem to have your reasons not to listen to any of it. I've been impressed with the quality of some of the posts and comments that people make. You seem very resistant to anything anyone says to you. Does this all help you? Or do you just go on and say "no one gets me".
It's interesting that of anybody here, you've had more locked threads than anybody I have seen. Yes you have it hard, but you don't have a corner on any kind of suffering or anything.
This is a great source of information, advice, community and so on, but you need to use it.
--Jay
Not everything that works for them is gonna work for me, Trust me Ive takin their advice but I end up dysphoric again
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
What works for other might not work for me sid you ever think of that
Really??!!! NEVER!! Seriously??? Sorry, my British sarcasm couldn't resist.
Of course I thought of that! There are a lot of people here, all with different opinions and different lives and different ways of dealing with things. No one is in the same circumstances as you, so their own particular way of dealing may well not completely work for you, but take parts of other people's methods, make them your own. Find something that works for you. It may very well be unique but so many different opinions means many many methods. I am genuinely trying to help you here. Have you considered that?
Quote from: MaximmusFlavius on September 26, 2013, 05:00:02 PM
Really??!!! NEVER!! Seriously??? Sorry, my British sarcasm couldn't resist.
Of course I thought of that! There are a lot of people here, all with different opinions and different lives and different ways of dealing with things. No one is in the same circumstances as you, so their own particular way of dealing may well not completely work for you, but take parts of other people's methods, make them your own. Find something that works for you. It may very well be unique but so many different opinions means many many methods. I am genuinely trying to help you here. Have you considered that?
Yes I have, But you guys get mad at me all I'm sayin is what works for you is not gone work for everyone else, That's what I have been tryin to tell them
Yup, we get that. Maybe you don't mean it, but the way you come across is to say 'I am completely different, none of you know what I am going through so none of your advice will ever help me.' It may surprise you to know that you're situation is not as unique as you think. I'm not just talking about coping mechanisms, but everything you've said in previous threads. The fact that you can't seem to take any advice makes me think you are still trying to come to terms with everything, part of which is finding a way to deal that works for you. We are all here to help, try to remember that. You're young, you have your whole life ahead of you. Make the most of it :)
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 04:41:50 PM
Ive already had it said to me of course I'm gonna feel that way because that's a womanly thing which hurts me a whole lot, Yea I have feelings to they get hurt sometimes that's life truat me Ive had tons of stuff thrown at me, Which why I'm so dysphoric
When that's being said to you, you acknowledge that it hurts. It's makes you "so dysphoric". This is a support forum, Brandon. You can come on here and ask us how we deal with dysphoria, or how we deal with people saying/implying things like this to us, assuming you're actually willing to accept or consider anything anyone says. And people will help you, as they already have done and miraculously continue to attempt to do.
But because it's a support forum, it's not fair to be inflicting that dysphoria on the rest of us when you generalise something as being something men don't experience. That creates the same frustration, and dysphoria for many of us as you've experienced through others implying such things make you less of a man. It's the sort of things we hear from those who don't accept or understand us, but we don't expect to see in a support forum. Please try to read your posts carefully before you post to be sure you're not doing that!
I started bleeding today, and what you stated essentially said that in doing so, I'm not a man. You questioned my, and others', manhood, and then got snippy when I request that you stop doing that. Can you start to understand that that's how your posts read when you're not careful with your words?
Jesus Christ Brandon I don't know what else anyone is supposed to say to you?! Every single person here has tried to be patient with you. Funnily enough, some of us do actually care about you, myself included. You might not see it but people are trying to help you, but we all have feelings too. Nobody has to reply when you ask for advice, but we do, because as alien as it might seem to you we want to help you. That might be hard to get your head around because you have lacked support in the real world. I understand how hard that is for you. I understand how you feel. We have all been in your shoes Brandon, we know how you're feeling. We can relate and we're trying to help. I think you get defensive because you're so used to being treated like crap but quite frankly, to get respect you need to give respect too. We have all tried to respect you, tried to help you when you needed it, but you can't seem to appreciate that. You just can't talk to people the way you do and expect it to be ok and for people to continue to try. If you want help and advice, accept it when it is given to you. Say thank you, be respectful about it. Even if you think the advice is rubbish, be polite and thank the person anyway. A little courtesy goes a long way. This forum is a support forum and I come here for support and to give support, not to see groups of people being targeted and talked to like crap. I will be here for you because I want to help people, like I said, that's a reason I come to Susans. But after a while Brandon, there's only so much one human being can take.
Quote from: Jack_M on September 26, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
When that's being said to you, you acknowledge that it hurts. It's makes you "so dysphoric". This is a support forum, Brandon. You can come on here and ask us how we deal with dysphoria, or how we deal with people saying/implying things like this to us, assuming you're actually willing to accept or consider anything anyone says. And people will help you, as they already have done and miraculously continue to attempt to do.
But because it's a support forum, it's not fair to be inflicting that dysphoria on the rest of us when you generalise something as being something men don't experience. That creates the same frustration, and dysphoria for many of us as you've experienced through others implying such things make you less of a man. It's the sort of things we hear from those who don't accept or understand us, but we don't expect to see in a support forum. Please try to read your posts carefully before you post to be sure you're not doing that!
I started bleeding today, and what you stated essentially said that in doing so, I'm not a man. You questioned my, and others', manhood, and then got snippy when I request that you stop doing that. Can you start to understand that that's how your posts read when you're not careful with your words?
You really wanna know how many times My manhood has gotten questioned? Alot And it was way worse then that, Ive been told I'm not a man just because I don't have a dick and alot worse
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 05:15:51 PM
You really wanna know how many times My manhood has gotten questioned? Alot And it was way worse then that, Ive been told I'm not a man just because I don't have a dick and alot worse
Welcome to the real, ignorant, transphobic world. So what are YOU gonna do about it? That doesn't involve unintentionally insulting most people here?
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 05:15:51 PM
You really wanna know how many times My manhood has gotten questioned? Alot And it was way worse then that, Ive been told I'm not a man just because I don't have a dick and alot worse
No, I didn't ask how many times your manhood has gotten questioned. I'm telling you that you have absolutely no right to question mine or the manhood of others on this forum and that I request that you watch that, whether it is done intentionally or not. Just because a few people have done worse to you doesn't give you a free pass to come on here and create the same feelings, Brandon! That's not how a SUPPORT forum works.
You can come on here and ask for advice and support in dealing with those individuals or the frustrations caused as a result of the actions of said individuals. You shouldn't come on here and replicate their actions and try to pass on your frustration and dysphoria.
Quote from: MaximmusFlavius on September 26, 2013, 05:18:08 PM
Welcome to the real, ignorant, transphobic world. So what are YOU gonna do about it? That doesn't involve unintentionally insulting most people here?
No Obviously menstrating isn't a man thing it's a woman thing, I wasn't insulting anyone you just took it the wrong way, I mean lets get real this is the internet
Brring Brring 'Hello Brandon? Hi, this is reality calling...'
So you're saying everyone who menstruates is a women, not a man? On a trans forum??!! Seriously? And you think this won't cause offence at all? Wow, just wow. I have tried to offer you advice and you seem not to listen. I've tried to help all I can but apparently nothing I have to say helps or is relevant or reasonable or even matters.
It's late, I have work tomorrow so I'm out. I wish you the best of luck with everything.
Quote from: Jack_M on September 26, 2013, 05:24:34 PM
No, I didn't ask how many times your manhood has gotten questioned. I'm telling you that you have absolutely no right to question mine or the manhood of others on this forum and that I request that you watch that, whether it is done intentionally or not. Just because a few people have done worse to you doesn't give you a free pass to come on here and create the same feelings, Brandon! That's not how a SUPPORT forum works.
You can come on here and ask for advice and support in dealing with those individuals or the frustrations caused as a result of the actions of said individuals. You shouldn't come on here and replicate their actions and try to pass on your frustration and dysphoria.
No I'm saying I did not question our manhood you misunderstood what I said, I'm telling you that my manhood has been questioned and alot worse at that, I'm not insulting you or anyone, I just said. that mesturals arent a man thing
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 05:42:42 PM
No I'm saying I did not question our manhood you misunderstood what I said, I'm telling you that my manhood has been questioned and alot worse at that, I'm not insulting you or anyone, I just said. that mesturals arent a man thing
Aren't a cis man thing* I'm a man and I get menstruals.
Quote from: androidnick on September 26, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
You want to know the truth Brandon? You aren't unique. No I'm not saying that in any cruel sense. I mean that everyone has problems. On this specific site, all of us generally have the same issues. So really just because your manhood has been questioned plenty of times, doesn't mean your suffering is worse. Seriously man.Now I see it. You don't have a filter or care to have one because it is the internet. Brandon, you need to learn you can cause others dysphoria with the things you say. Guess what? We bleed because we are TRANS men.
I never said that at all but ok man what ver you said
Quote from: MaximmusFlavius on September 26, 2013, 05:35:51 PM
Brring Brring 'Hello Brandon? Hi, this is reality calling...'
So you're saying everyone who menstruates is a women, not a man? On a trans forum??!! Seriously? And you think this won't cause offence at all? Wow, just wow. I have tried to offer you advice and you seem not to listen. I've tried to help all I can but apparently nothing I have to say helps or is relevant or reasonable or even matters.
It's late, I have work tomorrow so I'm out. I wish you the best of luck with everything.
Ok well I understand that I know I'm a guy sure at heart, Quit twisting my words around
Brandon, how would you like it if someone talked about you the way you are talking about other people? Don't you understand you are basically spewing the same hate you feel on other people? I don't understand how you don't see the fact that you are severly hurting the people trying to help you.
Quote from: Joey. on September 26, 2013, 05:44:15 PM
Aren't a cis man thing* I'm a man and I get menstruals.
Well I don't know about you I feel quite dumb saying I'm a man who gets his dang period every month, Yea we are men but men are not suppose to get thoes women are who it is intended for but because were female bodied yes we get them
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 05:50:58 PM
Well I don't know about you I feel quite dumb saying I'm a man who gets his dang period every month, Yea we are men but men are not suppose to get thoes women are who it is intended for but because were female bodied yes we get them
..Do you really listen to yourself when you speak? I don't even know how to respond to this.
You know guys, I've helped raise a ton of children and sometimes babies and toddlers will just cry for attention. When you turn away, they stop crying, and when you turn back to them they'll start up again. I think it's time we just turn away for a little bit, the kid will take care of himself. :)
Quote from: androidnick on September 26, 2013, 05:46:44 PM
Dude, seriously just wtf? I'm gonna go ahead and call you out. You really must be on here to mess with dysphoric trans men. You bring your religion and use it in the form of prejudice. You bring up horrible things when it comes to MTF's. You bring up things that trigger ALL of us.
That's like saying "Well, brown eyes aren't beautiful. but i'm not insulting anyone with brown eyes". Do you hear yourself?
I'm done. You're young but you aren't this big of a fool. No you are doing this to hurt people? And you know what I say to that? it's pathetic. You hide behind a computer screen.
I'm not doing this to hurt people, How is wanting to date cis women a bad thing, How is me saying that. Mensturals make me feel lik less of man a bad thing, I support gay marriage but It doesn't mean that I have to nessicarily agree with it, You keep twisting everything I say around and you take it the wrong way and your only hurting yourself, Instead if assuming just say hey Brandon what did you mean by that, Is that so hard
...I'm out. I don't know what else to say without turning into a psychotic ragemonster. I'm currently PMSing and you DO NOT want that brought upon you.
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 05:15:51 PM
You really wanna know how many times My manhood has gotten questioned? Alot And it was way worse then that, Ive been told I'm not a man just because I don't have a dick and alot worse
Brandon, I've been dysphoric since 1976. I'm willing to bet the farm that you have no idea how many times
my manhood has been questioned in those 37 years. That's more than twice as long as you've been
alive. Dude, do you have any clue how much more cissexist, transphobic and homophobic the world was in the 1970s & 1980s?
My dysphoria didn't get easier by a magic dick suddenly appearing in my underwear, or expecting other people to solve my problems for me. I've had to battle against almost insurmountable odds in some
very unaccepting parts of the world for every single improvement I've made. I've lived in countries where I could be arrested and sentenced to death for being gay and/or trans*. And all of us who have been to hell and back are trying to give you the benefit of our experience.
When I first came out to myself as trans*, there was nobody I could talk to. The Internet hadn't been invented yet. Most of the people at Susan's hadn't transitioned. But you? You have a wonderful support network available to you, comprised of thousands of people all over the world who get what you're going through. We're not paid to sit here and help you; we're unpaid volunteers who have our own lives, jobs, families, health problems and other dramas. Please don't let such a precious gift go to waste.
'Dickum testiculosa!' is not a
Harry Potter spell. But it bloody well should be.
Quote from: Brandon on September 26, 2013, 05:50:58 PM
Well I don't know about you I feel quite dumb saying I'm a man who gets his dang period every month, Yea we are men but men are not suppose to get thoes women are who it is intended for but because were female bodied yes we get them
This is what we mean: whatever you may have intended to say, the words you have used tonight are offensive to men on this Board who happen to menstruate; those words insinuate that we're women. We get enough of that out in the real world; we come here to escape that sort of nonsense.
Periods are not 'intended'; there is no master plan. They are simply a physiological phenomenon experienced by mammals who have a certain combination of hormones and organs. The overwhelming majority of those mammals are not women.
Quote from: Darkie on September 26, 2013, 05:48:16 PM
Brandon, how would you like it if someone talked about you the way you are talking about other people? Don't you understand you are basically spewing the same hate you feel on other people? I don't understand how you don't see the fact that you are severly hurting the people trying to help you.
Never once did I say you guys arent men though bcause you clearly are
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