I am thinking about starting laser hair removal and im just curious how much of a difference the first couple sessions make.
Combined the first two sessions made a huge difference for me.
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Quote from: amber roskamp on November 05, 2014, 09:12:58 AM
I am thinking about starting laser hair removal and im just curious how much of a difference the first couple sessions make.
It honestly depends on your skin/hair, but If you're decently optimal(dark hair/light skin) 2-3 sessions will show good results usually.
Hi my first laser session made a huge difference after a month... It quickly grew back though... 1 1/2 months later I did the second one and it was much the same as the first but less grew back :) I did my third one after 2 months because the hairs came in that much slower after 2 sessions.... After number 3 I really started to like the results and the whole concept of 'beard cover' was a distant memory ;D Another 2 months later and number 4 just made it even better... Now about 2 months after number 4 Im actually worried there isnt enough to zap... I have some surgery booked (voice feminization) so I pushed number 5 out to 2 1/2 months...
I do notice Im actually gonna have to shave every 3-4 days now though, but its really easy, there aint much left :embarrassed: Gotta let em grow though so they can be killed I guess... After 4 sessions what little is coming in is much finer and weaker than the old gnarly nasty manly stuff though 8)
Maybe Im lucky but my beard was 75% darker brown hair and 25% grey/pure white hair and most of the white hairs were on my neck ... My upper lip and most of my face was all dark hair that pretty much all die after getting zapped... On the whites that survived the laser I did at least 100 hours of electrolysis... Im so glad I havent had to do it all with electro, the white hairs are nearly invisble after a quick shave and even after 2-3 days growth for the electro lady, MUCH better ;D I feel like after number 5 with the laser I will be able to start having my electro lady take out the few dark ones that come back... I did pay for 6 alexandrite laser sessions upfront for a discount though... Im to the point now with her we only need about 4 hours every two weeks to totally clear me and I can see that going down to two hours soon 8)
I figured after 6 laser sessions 2 months apart, (I started HRT 2 weeks after my first session) Id be full time...
I am now pretty much but I should be 100% for real after voice and facial feminization surgeries ;D All that will be done right about a year in on HRT....
As you can tell with my avatar pic I am very pale. I am trying to kinda figure out a timeline for going full-time I haven't started hrt yet so much of it depends on how well the hormones work and also how fast the lasers work. I would like to be full time by October next b year and im starting hormones soon this winter. So well see
I had very nearly the ideal combination for laser (very pale skin, dark brown hair) and I'd say three sessions was enough to have about 75% gone, and four sessions took it to 95%. I then went on to have a couple more touch-ups and got down to a handful of surviving hairs, but even those first 3 sessions were enough to let me go out without makeup if I wanted to.
thats awesome i hope it works that well for me but i also have some red and white facial hairs mix through my other ones i think i am gonna start in january. i have been able to save up some money lately( hit 1000 dollars for the first time since may when i quit my old job and moved away). so hopefully i can continue to save some money.
Yeah, unfortunately, the laser probably won't do anything for red hairs and definitely won't affect white ones, so those are likely going to survive. But even killing off all the darker hair might make a huge difference.
yea i dont have that many of those they are just scattered throughout my face, i dont think they will be that noticeable do to the small number of them.
I am not doing laser but I am doing electro and my wife is already stunned at how my face is different, even though I cleared just the side of my face.
The electrologist said in about 6 sessions a lot of it will be gone, but it will take about a year for full removal of everything.
I want to go fulltime in mid Summer 2015 or thereabouts. That's ambitious but I think I can swing it.
Quote from: ImagineKate on November 05, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
I am not doing laser but I am doing electro and my wife is already stunned at how my face is different, even though I cleared just the side of my face.
The electrologist said in about 6 sessions a lot of it will be gone, but it will take about a year for full removal of everything.
I want to go fulltime in mid Summer 2015 or thereabouts. That's ambitious but I think I can swing it.
i would LOVE to be full time in the summer but like you said thats ambitious. Im too early in this to really make a time line
I have had 7 laser sessions on my face, legs, underarms and bikini. Honestly, face was the least effective but in saying that I have now got very few hair on my face and they are all white so laser won't do much for them. All the other areas responded so well, bikini and underarm was the best for me it took 12 weeks to see any regrowth on both of those areas and now I am completely hairless there.
Personally it was totally worth the money, my skin has never felt this smooth and I never get that three day prickliness i use to. [emoji1] couldn't be happier!
OUCH!! Is all I can imagine when thinking about doing under arms and the bikini area!!!
Id love to do those areas though, thats 2 places HRT hasnt slowed things down much and the hairs are still dark... All the rest, legs/arms is very fine blonde and very easy to manage with an epillator and razor after almost 7 months HRT...
So does laser hurt like hell there??? I know it does on my face and those two spots seem like it would be VERY uncomfortable and easy to get chaffed after lasering them....
Nah not really, underarms are barely noticeable and bikini is a little painful around the centre of the scrotum but otherwise it is fine. The most painful I think is the edge of the chin and the back of the ankles.
I have it on a really high setting but I don't really feel any pain except the Afro mentioned places.
Quote from: ElleA on November 05, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
Nah not really, underarms are barely noticeable and bikini is a little painful around the centre of the scrotum but otherwise it is fine. The most painful I think is the edge of the chin and the back of the ankles.
I have it on a really high setting but I don't really feel any pain except the Afro mentioned places.
Damn you, autocorrect! LOL
I actually went full time after the effects of the second laser session manifested itself. That pretty much wiped out 75% of the dark ones, and a close shave got me passable in daylight.
For me the first session got rid of 80% of my side burn and cheek hair. Didn't hurt much at all. The second session on a higher setting to target my stubborn lip and chin hurt a lot more. Eyes teared up and was visually red. Still going to keep making use of my package to clear it up more, but for dark coarse hair you should see major reduction in two sessions.
Quote from: amber roskamp on November 05, 2014, 01:39:12 PM
i would LOVE to be full time in the summer but like you said thats ambitious. Im too early in this to really make a time line
I don't think I have much of a choice. Boobs would be way too hard to hide at work. I develop fast and furious.
Quote from: ImagineKate on November 05, 2014, 03:53:55 PM
I don't think I have much of a choice. Boobs would be way too hard to hide at work. I develop fast and furious.
I hope I have that problem ;).
Laser does wonders for getting rid of that black sub-skin shadow that doesn't go away even with the closest of shaves. 2-3 sessions and I was wearing noticeably less foundation - I just didn't need it to cover up the beard shadow anymore.
Well worth the investment, especially if you can find a Groupon or similar that will cut the cost to the low hundreds for six treatments. Probably the best money I've ever spent when it comes to transition.
Highly recommend the laser. F**king painful on those dense, dark areas of beard growth though. I'd rather be waterboarded than have my upper lip lasered, but the end results are extraordinary. For improving one's ability to pass, it's essential.
Just got off the phone with a dermatologist that was recommended to me by my Therapist.
I'm scheduled for a Laser consultation (Free) next Tuesday. She told me she needed to see my face, hair density, skin tone, hair colors and go from there.
I'm excited. ;D
I wonder how much I should let my face grow out?
Edit: Oh btw...What about Nose hair? How do you all deal with that? I really hate it when it grows out, so gross. I tweeze my nose hair often and it makes tears flow. ???
It took about 4-5 sessions of laser before I really noticed a difference. Sessions 6 - 12 were the ones that cleared the dark hair.
I still have a fair amount of gray/white hairs remaining that i'll need electro for. I can only feel them and they generally don't show during the day so I can get electro done at my convenience.
Quote from: Jessika on November 07, 2014, 08:20:12 AM
Just got off the phone with a dermatologist that was recommended to me by my Therapist.
I'm scheduled for a Laser consultation (Free) next Tuesday. She told me she needed to see my face, hair density, skin tone, hair colors and go from there.
I'm excited. ;D
I wonder how much I should let my face grow out?
Edit: Oh btw...What about Nose hair? How do you all deal with that? I really hate it when it grows out, so gross. I tweeze my nose hair often and it makes tears flow. ???
Ive never heard of people doing lasers for nose hair i could imagine that being an extreemely painful
Ask the laser tech about letting hair grow out; mine did NOT want that, and in fact recommended I shave as close as possible right before.
My nose hair, oddly enough, faded back to female levels on HRT. :) I think a lot of laser places won't do anywhere "inside a body part," either.
I've had four IPL sessions and the results have been pretty good. Whilst there's no beard shadow anymore, it did uncover a discoleration under the moustache area which kind of looks like a slice moustache shadow, only slight.
So we have to laser/scrape/grind, in fact anything to get rid of it. I'm also looking into a top lip transplant which may do the trick ::)
But seriously the visual effect of IPL was great, after 24 hrs I run my hand over my face and can feel hair growing, but very lightly. Starting laser in two weeks and will continue that under all is smooth.
I noticed significant reduction after two to three treatments, and now after six (I think), I only have some small patches left under my nose and on my chin. I'll probably have one more treatment, then go on to electro to remove the stragglers.
Whats the going rate for laser? i have not long got prices for beard removal from a private hospital here in the uk and they want £220 (nearly $350 us) a session which was more than i expected
Quote from: Jenna Marie on November 07, 2014, 09:19:37 AM
Ask the laser tech about letting hair grow out; mine did NOT want that, and in fact recommended I shave as close as possible right before.
My nose hair, oddly enough, faded back to female levels on HRT. :) I think a lot of laser places won't do anywhere "inside a body part," either.
mine wanted me to shave preferably the night before. She wanted shirt as possible, but not do recent to cause the skin to get more irritated from the laser.
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Quote from: cass on November 07, 2014, 11:07:22 AM
Whats the going rate for laser? i have not long got prices for beard removal from a private hospital here in the uk and they want £220 (nearly $350 us) a session which was more than i expected
I got a deal on groupon for 6 laser sessions on my face using a modern laser for $119. After that deal was done I bought a package deal that included 6 more seasons of both the face and the neck for $200. Pricing is going to depend on where you live; I live in the Los Angeles area in California and there is plenty of competition driving down prices here.
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8 laser sessions later and my upper lip is finally cleared completely. I haven't shaved in about a week so I know for sure the hairs are gone. I do have some white fuzzy hairs and a few tiny black hairs left in certain spots but those are gonna fall out soon. My chin is mostly cleared, and I still have a few small patches on my jaw line. The chin and jawline are the most stubborn areas for me. After my next session those areas should be completely cleared. I think it's going to be my last laser appointment :)
Quote from: amber roskamp on November 07, 2014, 09:10:23 AM
Ive never heard of people doing lasers for nose hair i could imagine that being an extreemely painful
It was actually a seperate question I added. I know Nose Hair isn't done with Lasers. *giggle* :laugh:
Quote from: Jessika on November 07, 2014, 03:20:58 PM
It was actually a seperate question I added. I know Nose Hair isn't done with Lasers. *giggle* :laugh:
Lol I wasn't sure if you were getting at that but you made me think of that. You right though policing nose hairs really hurts
Quote from: amber roskamp on November 05, 2014, 09:12:58 AM
I am thinking about starting laser hair removal and im just curious how much of a difference the first couple sessions make.
Hey sweetie -- good question I think... I did start laser hair removal last month and it took about a week and I noticed not having to shave as much. Prior of my laser visit, I was shaving twice a day. After my laser visit, I had to let it "grow" or fall out more, for about a week... prior to shaving had any real effect again. Then, I started to shave upward motions instead of down ward motions, now I am only shaving once a day... and in the morning, my facial hair is slightly stubbie... I go again in 11 days... I still see black 5 o'clock shadow even when smooth, but now I use makeup to cover it up and it's gone... before laser, this NEVER would work. Think it was because my hair on my face growing so quickly I couldn't get it in otherwise. BTW I have dark hair and pale like skin.
Quote from: cass on November 07, 2014, 11:07:22 AM
Whats the going rate for laser? i have not long got prices for beard removal from a private hospital here in the uk and they want £220 (nearly $350 us) a session which was more than i expected
I paid £180 for my first session at the "one off" rate and am intending to buy into a package of 6 at 30% discount now i know my face isn't going to fall off three days after, additional sessions after the package are also supposed to be at the 30% discount rate.
As for shaving, on my test patch i had a normal guy mode shave, once over with an "in use" razor, kind of took some care but not excessive. Test patch was my upper lip and it hurt like hell in my cupids bow area and came with the smell of singed hair. On reflection and looking in the mirror (sorry) after it was obvious my shave in that area was quite poor and the pain was from the burning of the badly shaved hair in the hollow. You can bet for my first session it was the best closest shave with a new razor i could muster as close to treatment as possible without drawing blood or major irritation, Thoroughly inspected and electric shaved some tricky wet shave areas too. It still hurt like hell on the jaw line and chin but less singeing.
You do get to the end of the session wondering how mad you are to put up with someone inflicting that pain on you, and worse your paying them a lot of money to do it, but the stories on here of a hair free face give hope it will be worth it in the end and after one treatment i feel my makeup stands up better through the day and photos of 2 days growth whilst still not very ladylike do show a less dense regrowth and patchiness (not in a weird way thankfully)
Quote from: Debbie55 on November 07, 2014, 04:58:14 PM
You do get to the end of the session wondering how mad you are to put up with someone inflicting that pain on you, and worse your paying them a lot of money to do it
HAHAHA high5!!!!
I thought EXACTLY the same!!!! They get paid to inflict pain!!! I told my doctor on my first appointment 'boy i need your job on days I feel like I just need to punch someone'..... he laughed xD
Alexis, Glad it wasn't just me then. My shaving experience in the first week sounds pretty similar too, kind of hard to get a good shave and being very careful with the bumps from the irritation, but after a week it settled and now where i would have 5 o'clock shadow by 11am and makeup failure, i can get through to mid afternoon without much of a tidy up, the shadow doesnt look any less really just that it takes longer to grow.
I also discovered what the max AC setting in the car was for and directed all available vents to my face on the drive home, much to the annoyance of my SO who had them set up not to blow on her face lol
My face lasering was purchased in a six-treatment package. Four down, and the "goatee" area is still fairly dark. I don't think two more sessions will be enough. I had planned, if six sessions didn't work, to go for electrolysis instead, but recent posts suggest that there's a chance six more sessions (a total of 12) on the upper lip and chin might finally do some clearing. I was under the impression that if hair wasn't cleared in six, it wasn't worth continuing. Am I mistaken? (I'd rather pay for six more laser sessions than electrolysis).
Quote from: Brenda E on November 07, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
My face lasering was purchased in a six-treatment package. Four down, and the "goatee" area is still fairly dark. I don't think two more sessions will be enough. I had planned, if six sessions didn't work, to go for electrolysis instead, but recent posts suggest that there's a chance six more sessions (a total of 12) on the upper lip and chin might finally do some clearing. I was under the impression that if hair wasn't cleared in six, it wasn't worth continuing. Am I mistaken? (I'd rather pay for six more laser sessions than electrolysis).
Hey Brenda - hang in there!! If you got dark hairs and light skin, should be fine. My doctor who does my laser said it will take roughly 8 sessions for the lip and beard growth to stop. My therapist said 12 sessions (a year). Personally, I would give 6 more sessions a go. I plan to already once I get these 6 out of the way.
Quote from: Debbie55 on November 07, 2014, 05:28:52 PM
Alexis, Glad it wasn't just me then. My shaving experience in the first week sounds pretty similar too, kind of hard to get a good shave and being very careful with the bumps from the irritation, but after a week it settled and now where i would have 5 o'clock shadow by 11am and makeup failure, i can get through to mid afternoon without much of a tidy up, the shadow doesnt look any less really just that it takes longer to grow.
I also discovered what the max AC setting in the car was for and directed all available vents to my face on the drive home, much to the annoyance of my SO who had them set up not to blow on her face lol
Yep I was the same way with pain from laser. I literately cried through all of my sessions, I think the 5th one was the worst next to the first one. I had a really bad shadow so no matter how close I shaved it was going to be painful. It didn't start getting better pain wise because each time I asked my doc to increase the intensity on the machine, so I was gradually going higher each session. It's given me amazing results so far, however it's definitely one of the worst pains I've ever endured in my lifetime.
Quote from: Jenna Marie on November 07, 2014, 09:19:37 AM
Ask the laser tech about letting hair grow out; mine did NOT want that, and in fact recommended I shave as close as possible right before.
My nose hair, oddly enough, faded back to female levels on HRT. :) I think a lot of laser places won't do anywhere "inside a body part," either.
Yea, shave it all off. Hurts less. Same effect.
No way for nose hairs -- not sure why that was even suggested. You're best to take care of that on your own.
Quote from: Lady_Oracle on November 07, 2014, 05:49:01 PM
Yep I was the same way with pain from laser. I literately cried through all of my sessions, I think the 5th one was the worst next to the first one. I had a really bad shadow so no matter how close I shaved it was going to be painful. It didn't start getting better pain wise because each time I asked my doc to increase the intensity on the machine, so I was gradually going higher each session. It's given me amazing results so far, however it's definitely one of the worst pains I've ever endured in my lifetime.
My boyfriend says it's a lot like getting a tattoo when I explained to him what it's like. high5 for tolerating it. My doc put it on high too... I found during the session it helps to just take your mind else where, like to the beach on a stormy night..... because with all that light flickering through your skin to your eyes, that's what it looks like!!! :)
Quote from: Alexis2107 on November 07, 2014, 05:55:46 PM
My boyfriend says it's a lot like getting a tattoo when I explained to him what it's like. high5 for tolerating it. My doc put it on high too... I found during the session it helps to just take your mind else where, like to the beach on a stormy night..... because with all that light flickering through your skin to your eyes, that's what it looks like!!! :)
the women with tattoo's from my support group said it was way worse then tattoos. I have several tattoos and they only kinda sting. does it hurt worse then getting your tooth pulled when it isn't numbed very well (happened to me as a child im hoping somebody else had to have this experience.)
Quote from: amber roskamp on November 07, 2014, 08:15:42 PM
the women with tattoo's from my support group said it was way worse then tattoos. I have several tattoos and they only kinda sting. does it hurt worse then getting your tooth pulled when it isn't numbed very well (happened to me as a child im hoping somebody else had to have this experience.)
Well like I tell people, it's like someone taking bunch of sharp pencils and stabbing your face over and over :o --- for tooth, not sure...I am sure that's painful too......... but I can tell you this, it's not as bad as having surgery while awake with little pain meds xD
Quote from: Alexis2107 on November 07, 2014, 09:06:17 PM
Well like I tell people, it's like someone taking bunch of sharp pencils and stabbing your face over and over :o --- for tooth, not sure...I am sure that's painful too......... but I can tell you this, it's not as bad as having surgery while awake with little pain meds xD
omg that really must have hurt!!!
It really depends on how much facial hair you have to being with and how effective laser is on your complexion.
My facial hair never filled in, so I only had a little chin stubble and a few hairs on my upper lip and sideburns and by 2 weeks after the first laser session most of it is gone. There are still probably ~20 hairs on my chin that grew back and 2 stubborn hairs on my upper lip. I'll probably won't need all 6 sessions that I paid for. Would be nice! :D
Quote from: Alexis2107 on November 07, 2014, 05:55:46 PM
My boyfriend says it's a lot like getting a tattoo when I explained to him what it's like. high5 for tolerating it. My doc put it on high too... I found during the session it helps to just take your mind else where, like to the beach on a stormy night..... because with all that light flickering through your skin to your eyes, that's what it looks like!!! :)
Thanks! idk for me it felt like someone was throwing fire on to my skin. I have super sensitive skin so yeah that's probably why.
Quote from: Lady_Oracle on November 10, 2014, 03:16:29 PM
Thanks! idk for me it felt like someone was throwing fire on to my skin. I have super sensitive skin so yeah that's probably why.
OUCH!! doess it make me a masocist if i am still excited.
It's not too painful really.
Although in fairness, for whatever reason, I was proper writhing in pain on my second session.
The more I do, the less it starts to hurt. Have session eight this Friday.
It is kinda like a tattoo in a way. Sorta in a concentrated area of pain before moving a bit.
But it's not really too painful, except under my jaw I find a bit tender.
I imagine an actual tattoo on the face would feel like death :-X
But it's over and done quick enough.
I usually eat properly, pretty much my pre tattoo foods before heading in. Seems to hurt less. Didn't on my second session and I'm terrified now. Probably makes no difference but I'm not taking any chances :P
Love going in now. Barely any pain and the girl who is doing mine is amazing and lovely.
The only problem I've had is the chin basically and a little upper lip. Everywhere else is pretty much gone except for the odd single hair now and then. Just really stubborn on the chin and it looks like I don't know how to shave now most of the time.
Used to be able to grow a full bushy beard. Added about five years to me. So used to have to shave pretty much every day.
Can go pretty much a week or so without shaving now. And that's almost all down to the stubborn bit on my chin.
So it's certainly working ;D
I got told in my second session that caffeine makes it hurt worse and so I stopped drink coffee on laser days. It definitely hurts less, that could be a placebo though. Either way I don't find it painful really
Yeah I can't do no caffeine for laser days, it's a two hour drive to the clinic I go to!
Pain was awful at first but over time I can barely feel it anymore. Upper lip hurt the worst but it's completely gone there now - it's that pesky under the chin that's giving me trouble. I've had 10 sessions over the past 11 months. I will probably stop at one year in favour of electro for the clear hairs.
I've been shopping around. Prices seem to be around the same so far. I have a 3rd place I'm checking out on the 21st of this month. Not committing to any yet until I get the best deal with the best equipment.
I may be getting my HRT letter soon.
Might be starting Laser Removal the same time I start HRT, don't know yet.
The best equipment in my experience is the gentlelase pro. All places that have these machines have accredited and properly trained technicians.
I had six sessions of laser that virtually wiped out my dark hairs. Like others with some grey and blond i'm considering electro for finish work and detest my stubble. I highly recommend a topical anesthetic (xylocaine 4%) 20-30 minutes prior to laser. It can reduce the flinching reflexes and allows us to enjoy the fascinating light show in our brains. I was impressed that the goggles and protective eye wear still allowed me to "see" lightning flashes. My endo wisely suggested that I wait with laser till starting HRT as, for some of us, it does have an impact on hair regrowth especially on our chest.
Quote from: ElleA on November 13, 2014, 02:44:01 PM
The best equipment in my experience is the gentlelase pro. All places that have these machines have accredited and properly trained technicians.
Thats what my real MD dermatologist uses, she has been great so far... Im going for number five as soon as I recover from voice feminization surgery.... She says six treatments should PERMANENTLY kill it.... I hope so, two months after number 4 and I do have some very weak dark ones coming in all over :'(
I will do six and then just have my electro lady take care of it until its ALL GONE ;)
I'm 5 sessions in spaced 6 weeks apart, here in Toronto Canada I pay $200 for everything under my nose per session which I think is a pretty good deal.
The first session was the most painful, especially the upper lip, it gets easier and easier as there are less hairs.
I have dark hair and fair skin, so I'm pretty much the ideal candidate, after 5 sessions the only places I notice any androgenic hairs left are the pubic, chin and upper lip. At this point I can go out without foundation but at the end of the day the stubble is quite visible.
Laser only kills hairs which are in the growth phase, at any given time only about 1/5 of the hairs are in the growth phase so the laser will kill aprox. 20% per session but you have to deal with the diminishing returns so at some point it makes more sense to get the rest cleared using electrolysis including any grey/red you might have.
Here is my plan in a nutshell, up until about the 14th session laser is cheeper than electrolyses per hair, then again I might get impatient, i only counted electrolyses on the facial since I figure at 4% there is so little body hair left it's not worth removing.
Sessions Hair left % Total Hairs left* Facial Hairs left Cost Per Hair Laser
0 100% 950000 30000 $0.0011
1 80% 760000 24000 $0.0013
2 64% 608000 19200 $0.0016
3 51% 486400 15360 $0.0021
4 41% 389120 12288 $0.0026
5 33% 311296 9830 $0.0032
6 26% 249037 7864 $0.0040
7 21% 199229 6291 $0.0050
8 17% 159384 5033 $0.0063
9 13% 127507 4027 $0.0078
10 11% 102005 3221 $0.0098
11 9% 81604 2577 $0.0123
12 7% 65284 2062 $0.0153
13 5% 52227 1649 $0.0191
14 4% 41781 1319 $0.0239
Cost Per Electro Hair $0.2333
Cost Per Laser Session $200
Cost Per Electro Hour $70
Hairs Per Hour of Electro 300
Total Cost combined $3,108
* Entire body (w/o head), assuming 5 million hairs per body, 250 thousand on head and 20% of the rest being androgenic
Quote from: antonia on November 15, 2014, 03:49:12 PM
I'm 5 sessions in spaced 6 weeks apart, here in Toronto Canada I pay $200 for everything under my nose per session which I think is a pretty good deal.
The first session was the most painful, especially the upper lip, it gets easier and easier as there are less hairs.
I have dark hair and fair skin, so I'm pretty much the ideal candidate, after 5 sessions the only places I notice any androgenic hairs left are the pubic, chin and upper lip. At this point I can go out without foundation but at the end of the day the stubble is quite visible.
Laser only kills hairs which are in the growth phase, at any given time only about 1/5 of the hairs are in the growth phase so the laser will kill aprox. 20% per session but you have to deal with the diminishing returns so at some point it makes more sense to get the rest cleared using electrolysis including any grey/red you might have.
Here is my plan in a nutshell, up until about the 14th session laser is cheeper than electrolyses per hair, then again I might get impatient, i only counted electrolyses on the facial since I figure at 4% there is so little body hair left it's not worth removing.
Sessions Hair left % Total Hairs left* Facial Hairs left Cost Per Hair Laser
0 100% 950000 30000 $0.0011
1 80% 760000 24000 $0.0013
2 64% 608000 19200 $0.0016
3 51% 486400 15360 $0.0021
4 41% 389120 12288 $0.0026
5 33% 311296 9830 $0.0032
6 26% 249037 7864 $0.0040
7 21% 199229 6291 $0.0050
8 17% 159384 5033 $0.0063
9 13% 127507 4027 $0.0078
10 11% 102005 3221 $0.0098
11 9% 81604 2577 $0.0123
12 7% 65284 2062 $0.0153
13 5% 52227 1649 $0.0191
14 4% 41781 1319 $0.0239
Cost Per Electro Hair $0.2333
Cost Per Laser Session $200
Cost Per Electro Hour $70
Hairs Per Hour of Electro 300
Total Cost combined $3,108
* Entire body (w/o head), assuming 5 million hairs per body, 250 thousand on head and 20% of the rest being androgenic
Wow this is really, really useful. Its Awesome that you had such a plan
In my case, I used Tria home laser to diminish the hairs in my mustache area. I guess I treated more than 10 times, but some of them still grow again, although they are too fine to notice. As the battery of my Tria is already dead, I pluck the remaining fine hairs.
Before and after the Tria treatment
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The left is in 2004 and the right is a month ago. I did not have so much facial hairs even before the Tria treatment, but anyway I had to pluck facial hairs by using tweezers once or twice per week. Nowadays, I just pluck once or twice per month whenever I can see some fine hairs around my lips at bright daytime.
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on November 15, 2014, 04:16:04 PM
In my case, I used Tria home laser to diminish the hairs in my mustache area. I guess I treated more than 10 times, but some of them still grow again, although they are too fine to notice. As the battery of my Tria is already dead, I pluck the remaining fine hairs.
Before and after the Tria treatment
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The left is in 2004 and the right is a month ago. I did not have so much facial hairs even before the Tria treatment, but anyway I had to pluck facial hairs by using tweezers once or twice per week. Nowadays, I just pluck once or twice per month whenever I can see some fine hairs around my lips at bright daytime.
barbie~~
I was tempted to go with the home laser route, but I haven't heard to many good things about them. That being said it looks like they worked wonderfully for you... I guess every one has there own experience with each product.
Quote from: amber roskamp on November 15, 2014, 05:36:46 PM
I was tempted to go with the home laser route, but I haven't heard to many good things about them. That being said it looks like they worked wonderfully for you... I guess every one has there own experience with each product.
Yes. That's right. Even the skill of using Tria differs by person, not to mention the differences in the hair structure and color, responses to laser treatment, and etc. You may find out your best option.
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on November 15, 2014, 05:48:43 PM
Yes. That's right. Even the skill of using Tria differs by person, not to mention the differences in the hair structure and color, responses to laser treatment, and etc. You may find out your best option.
barbie~~
I was actually supposed to go in for a laser consultation today, but It got cancelled... :(