Does anyone else experience period symptoms of HER? Secondly have you experienced urgency to pee while on your period?
I assume you saying have symptoms similar to a AFAB menstrual monthly cycle while on HRT.
Can't say I had those prior to SRS, but after my OB/GYN had me on a monthly cycle of estrogen and progesterone I did have some of those symptoms.
I think the urgency to pee can vary on many factors.
It is a highly discussed topic. There are quite a few MTF who have mentioned having at least partial symptoms. Since periods in cis women are controlled by hormones cycles, a MTF cycling at least one of the two hormones is undergoing the same changes in hormone level, so in my opinion it does make sense.
I am also cycling progesterone and I do notice changes in food cravings along the with the changes in hormone levels. Shortly after my 2 weeks of progesterone ends, I am usually constipated and bloated with some light cramps. Also get a bit more irritated. Usually all symptoms go away after a few days. Not sure that is full evidence, but to me it does make sense and talking to some of my cis girlfriends about it, they pretty much confirmed the symptoms.
Well I get everything from the cramps, blood, bloating, headaches, cravings, etc. It....sucks.
not sure why you got blood tho thats an interesting one.. anyone seen this before?
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Quote from: link5019 on May 28, 2017, 07:52:06 AM
Well I get everything from the cramps, blood, bloating, headaches, cravings, etc. It....sucks.
The entirety of this is ridiculous at worst, questionable at best, but, look:
Blood?
Blood?!?
Blood?!?A trans-girl... getting a period... and... blood.
I hope this was either a typo, you're a true hermaprhodite, or you're just trollin but I'd bet money you're not either of those three things.
So let's think about this for a second... seriously contemplate this claim... I'll give you some time.
Unless as someone suggested that you are a hermaphrodite it is not possible for you to bleed. You have no uterus. The only place you could be bleeding if from your rectum. If that is the case run don't walk to a hospital.
There is no responsible medical evidence of this being possible. Sometimes, when you want something so much your mind can create these needs to give you what you want. Medically, mtf on fulll hrt and or post srs are basically menopausal women. We can get mood swings from a HRT regime that is not well monitored by an endo.
Quote from: link5019 on May 28, 2017, 07:52:06 AM
Well I get everything from the cramps, blood, bloating, headaches, cravings, etc. It....sucks.
We have discussed this before. There is NO medical evidence that transwomen can have cramps or bleeding due to menstruation. The reason is simple: we have no uterus. The blood comes from the uterus, and the cramps are uterine contractions.
As for the rest: HRT cycles can induce bloating, cravings and moodswings. These are all wellknown effects of progesterone.
And then there's the placebo effect. I get it you're really a girl, but you're not cis. Your mind can bend many perceptions to suit the need of feeling female, but it still doesn't make you a cis-girl.
On another note: I find these kind of comments VERY disrespectful to cis-women who do get their periods. They had to grow up in a world that belittles them, fills them with shame and sometimes ostracizes them for bleeding. It teaches girls they're the children of lesser gods, and in the developing world, even puts them in physical harm. Furthermore, they have had to deal with a non-stop stream of sexism from the moment they started bleeding, growing their breasts and being looked at by horny men when they weren't even 14.
None of us had those experiences at such a vulnerable age. We still grew up with the world thinking we were men, being endowed with the privilege which comes with that. Sure we had own troubles, which were harsh and put us in our own shameful places. But: we didn't have to experience those unrelenting forms of sexism when we didn't even know what the word meant.
Ladies, please be kind.
Gender dysphoria manifests itself in many ways. There are psychological components to our situation.
If link5019 says she has those symptoms, then maybe those symptoms are real for her. Maybe she does have a uterus or something similar. I do not know her.
Many of you are correct in saying that without a uterus bleeding and cramping are physically not possible.
Quote from: MelissaAnn on May 27, 2017, 11:21:27 PM
Does anyone else experience period symptoms of HER? Secondly have you experienced urgency to pee while on your period?
Perhaps there is another explanation. In the first post MelissaAnn mentions "period symptoms" from hrt. Then she asks if anyone has the increased urge to pee while on their "period". We know she meant "on your period" to mean while you are having hormonal symptoms from hrt and obviously not from menstruation. But suppose Link did not know that. What if she is expecting to get actual period symptoms from hrt? She read the initial post and though obviously she can't have an actual period perhaps she didn't know that and said she did to feel like she belonged more.
How could someone think that? It is possible. I have had a cis friend who knew I was trans actually ask me when I first started menstruation. After I explained that i had no uterus and had never and would never menstruate she said she thought the estrogen gave you a period. No joke! People in general tend to be ignorant about the effects of estrogen. The know it feminizes but some people tend to think it has the power to cause impossible changes. Like making you shorter, making your hands smaller, etc.
This possible explanation is almost as far fetched as her claim I know but I have been trying to figure out why she would say this. None of us would make such a claim in a public forum UNLESS we didnt know any better. She is only 20 years old according to her profile. I prefer this explanation to thinking she is just some troll observing the forum and messing around.
Ok well as far as cramps, that can be from constipation in the bowls which can be caused by the drop off of hormones.
Blood would require a girl to have been intersexed and have partial uterine tissues. It's extremely rare but looking through alot of medical information it has been seen before. The one condition I remember reading was due to unformed tissues the uterine partial organ was connected to the anal area of the large intestine. Who knows strange things happen.
Give link5019 some leeway. She has been a member of this forum for a while. Don't just jump on people and start calling them trolls! >:( That's way not nice to do.
Link5019, unless you're Intersex and your doctor has explored this, I really think you should visit your doctor to discuss any bleeding. If you are not Intersex and you have blood associated with cycling hormones you need to get it checked out right away.
I did not call her a troll. Someone else said that. I was just saying I hope she is just confused rather than thinking she is a troll.
Yes I know you didn't. I was aiming my thoughts more at the tone the discussion had taken.
Not intending to be pointed to any one person. :)
Put down your torches girls :), let her explain.
Quote from: MelissaAnn on May 27, 2017, 11:21:27 PM
Does anyone else experience period symptoms of HER? Secondly have you experienced urgency to pee while on your period?
Are you on Spiro? It's main medical use is for controlling edema of Congestive Heart Failure; As a diuretic it's function is to make you pee. Can't say in my 9 1/2 months on estradiol that I have even remotely had symptoms of bleeding or mood swings for that matter. So far it's all been good.
Beets, rhubarb, blackberries, etc, can all cause red urine. If red stains showed up in my panties I'd be sweating bullets.
I have had UTIs before and taken AZO which makes you pee orange. I did have a very bad UTI once and had bloody urine. But it was just that. Not "bleeding". I thought at least one plus about being stuck with boy parts was UTIs are uncommon but my Dr told me constant tucking can increase the chance of a UTI. 😧 Spironolactone makes me pee a LOT. My moods are usually consistent. ( my boyfriend would probably say I am consistently a bitch Lol) I LOVE pickles and anything pickled, herring, eggs, etc, but I have loved pickles since I was a small child so it has nothing to do with hrt.
Period symptoms are possible with HRT, especially combined with P. No blood is possible because there's no uterus or ovaries to relase an egg, unless I'm missing something here.
LiliFee, I agree to an extent BUT, remember not all trans girls had male privilegie growing up, especially if they transitioned really young. Before HRT I was already small, light, with a high voice and femme face. Nobody knew what I was and I got harassed everywhere. I don't think you can call that privilege.
I never had any male privilege. I transitioned when I was 12. But I hardly consider it would be a privilege to be male. No thank you.
Perhaps touching upon the subject of privilege wasn't a clever idea, so let's not push the period symptom topic (which is really interesting in its own right) off course. In any case, there was no intention of hurting anybody there.
I'll open another topic for about privilege sometime in the future, so we can have a nice debate about that :P
Quote from: josie76 on May 30, 2017, 07:08:27 AM
Ok well as far as cramps, that can be from constipation in the bowls which can be caused by the drop off of hormones.
Blood would require a girl to have been intersexed and have partial uterine tissues. It's extremely rare but looking through alot of medical information it has been seen before. The one condition I remember reading was due to unformed tissues the uterine partial organ was connected to the anal area of the large intestine. Who knows strange things happen.
Give link5019 some leeway. She has been a member of this forum for a while. Don't just jump on people and start calling them trolls! >:( That's way not nice to do.
Link5019, unless you're Intersex and your doctor has explored this, I really think you should visit your doctor to discuss any bleeding. If you are not Intersex and you have blood associated with cycling hormones you need to get it checked out right away.
Quote from: Charlie Nicki on May 30, 2017, 10:35:38 AM
Put down your torches girls :), let her explain.
*sighs* I'm not one to troll, I'm not one to lie. I don't cycle my hormones either. I'm only telling people what I've experienced, and Josie76, pretty much hit it spot on. I have a partially formed uterus, which is connected to the large intestine as you described, which was something my doctor and I explored. Granted it still sucks I have to have surgery to actually have a vagina...Please don't accuse me, those that did, in the future for being a troll. I just responded with my honest answer to this post. Also if anyone has any other questions for me, please PM me.
Quote from: link5019 on June 02, 2017, 11:32:39 AM
*sighs* I'm not one to troll, I'm not one to lie. I don't cycle my hormones either. I'm only telling people what I've experienced, and Josie76, pretty much hit it spot on. I have a partially formed uterus, which is connected to the large intestine as you described, which was something my doctor and I explored. Granted it still sucks I have to have surgery to actually have a vagina...Please don't accuse me, those that did, in the future for being a troll. I just responded with my honest answer to this post. Also if anyone has any other questions for me, please PM me.
I totally understand what you are saying because I also have one oviory and a uterus it does happen it is called intersex and it totally throws you off
Quote from: natalie.ashlyne on June 02, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
I totally understand what you are saying because I also have one oviory and a uterus it does happen it is called intersex and it totally throws you off
Throws you off, check, all the lovely period symptoms, check...lol guess me commenting about periods in a trans board section is not the way to go. XD
Quote from: link5019 on June 02, 2017, 11:32:39 AM
*sighs* I'm not one to troll, I'm not one to lie. I don't cycle my hormones either. I'm only telling people what I've experienced, and Josie76, pretty much hit it spot on. I have a partially formed uterus, which is connected to the large intestine as you described, which was something my doctor and I explored. Granted it still sucks I have to have surgery to actually have a vagina...Please don't accuse me, those that did, in the future for being a troll. I just responded with my honest answer to this post. Also if anyone has any other questions for me, please PM me.
Seriously? Like, seriously? Do you know how this all works? Bleeding from the uterus is only possible if you have it fully developed AND with functional ovaries. The uterus bleeds due to a drop in Estrogen that leads the endometrium layer to shed, and this happens because the egg that was released from the ovaries wasn't fertilized on time. There's a very rare syndrome, like one in a million, where a genetic male can have two full reproductive systems but you didn't imply this, you said you have a partially formed uterus which bleeds, monthly I suppose? Anyway, you also said you didn't cycle hormones. You further prove my point, to have bleeding you would need a natural cycle like natural born women have and not standard HRT. Therefore, you got some explaining to do.
Quote from: Aurorasky on June 02, 2017, 04:38:25 PM
Seriously? Like, seriously? Do you know how this all works? Bleeding from the uterus is only possible if you have it fully developed AND with functional ovaries. The uterus bleeds due to a drop in Estrogen that leads the endometrium layer to shed, and this happens because the egg that was released from the ovaries wasn't fertilized on time. There's a very rare syndrome, like one in a million, where a genetic male can have two full reproductive systems but you didn't imply this, you said you have a partially formed uterus which bleeds, monthly I suppose? Anyway, you also said you didn't cycle hormones. You further prove my point, to have bleeding you would need a natural cycle like natural born women have and not standard HRT. Therefore, you got some explaining to do.
For the love of...OMG I'm glad you're so amazingly sure of yourself that you know everything. A fully developed uterus is not necessary for period blood, nor is having ovaries. The Uterus is mainly controlled by the hormone progesterone, not estrogen, though it does play a small part. not just that, a period happens regardless of whether or not an egg was present in the system. I freaking personally know intersex people who have the same thing with no functional ovaries. You don't know my HRT regiment. What do you want me to say, I bleed, every month, during period week with cramps, and other symptoms. I do know how this works, and I've even discussed this with my doctor who, by the way, can back me up on this, so I am so sorry that you can't just accept what it is I'm experiencing and instead want to attack me like I don't know what I'm talking about when I've discussed this with my doctor, asked intersex women as well...I've done my homework and I'm sorry that I'm experiencing what is "impossible" to you.
Quote from: Aurorasky on June 02, 2017, 04:38:25 PM
Seriously? Like, seriously? Do you know how this all works? Bleeding from the uterus is only possible if you have it fully developed AND with functional ovaries. The uterus bleeds due to a drop in Estrogen that leads the endometrium layer to shed, and this happens because the egg that was released from the ovaries wasn't fertilized on time. There's a very rare syndrome, like one in a million, where a genetic male can have two full reproductive systems but you didn't imply this, you said you have a partially formed uterus which bleeds, monthly I suppose? Anyway, you also said you didn't cycle hormones. You further prove my point, to have bleeding you would need a natural cycle like natural born women have and not standard HRT. Therefore, you got some explaining to do.
Darling she doesn't need to explain anything. Leave her alone, I find id upsetting that people here can be so judgmental of others' experiences, on a
transgender related forum of all places. Isn't that what cis people do to us all the time? Let. It. Go. If that's what she says she's experiencing then that's that. It seems she's intersexed, and everyone else is clear on the fact that they can't get periods so her statement isn't "confusing" non intersexed people if that's what you're trying to avoid.
Quote from: link5019 on June 02, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
For the love of...OMG I'm glad you're so amazingly sure of yourself that you know everything. A fully developed uterus is not necessary for period blood, nor is having ovaries. The Uterus is mainly controlled by the hormone progesterone, not estrogen, though it does play a small part. not just that, a period happens regardless of whether or not an egg was present in the system. I freaking personally know intersex people who have the same thing with no functional ovaries. You don't know my HRT regiment. What do you want me to say, I bleed, every month, during period week with cramps, and other symptoms. I do know how this works, and I've even discussed this with my doctor who, by the way, can back me up on this, so I am so sorry that you can't just accept what it is I'm experiencing and instead want to attack me like I don't know what I'm talking about when I've discussed this with my doctor, asked intersex women as well...I've done my homework and I'm sorry that I'm experiencing what is "impossible" to you.
Yes, by the hormone Progesterone. Where is that produced again? Oh, yeah, mainly the ovaries. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
Charlie Nicki, sure people can share all the experiences all they like but it's quite different when someone claims membership of a even more devalued, stigmatized group only to.show they actually don't know what they are talking about. There's every right to point it out to anybody who does this.
Quote from: Aurorasky on June 02, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Yes, by the hormone Progesterone. Where is that produced again? Oh, yeah, mainly the ovaries. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
Charlie Nicki, sure people can share all the experiences all they like but it's quite different when someone claims membership of a even more devalued, stigmatized group only to.show they actually don't know what they are talking about. There's every right to point it out to anybody who does this.
Aurorasky...I don't know what your issue is but I would kindly like to ask you to leave me kindly alone. If you cannot accept that what I'm experiencing is an actual thing, that was confirmed by an actual DOCTOR...then I'm afraid I can not, in good faith, trust your opinion. Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about after talking with a doctor, and intersex people, clearly me researching means nothing, please discredit my doctor, my freaking doctor who actually had this investigated so that we could confirm it was caused by the uterus...what the heck do you want, it in writing, paper work? but why would I give you that, when it's likely you would just dismiss them because you can't simply let me be. Your devaluing my experiences, you're denouncing my experiences as false, much like how you just said intersex people are devalued and stigmatized....
That is. Well said. Leave her and her bleeding uterus alone, you kiddo.
Quote from: Wednesday on June 02, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
That is. Well said. Leave her and her bleeding uterus alone, you kiddo.
Thank you...*hugs*
This thread sucks worse than a hoover ::)
Quote from: Wednesday on June 02, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
Leave her and her bleeding uterus alone, you kiddo.
I lol'd~
Hey
zelda5019 err, I'm sorry, ...hey
link5019, if you legitimately have a uterus that bleeds, I'm sorry for my ignorance. I still think it sounds ludicrous, but whatever's clever... I don't care one way or the other tbh!
I just... I dunno, I think the punchline/meme of people who sexually identify as attack helicopters will eventually find us people who swear they secrete oil when they sweat.
Link5019
A lot of this could have been avoided if when you told of your symptoms, you had explained you were intersex with a partial uterus.
I questioned the bleeding, but when you explained your physical condition, I guess anything is possible.
Most in these TG/TS sections are not intersex, or have different equipment.
Quote from: Ⓥ on June 02, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
This thread sucks worse than a hoover ::)
I lol'd~
Hey zelda5019 err, I'm sorry, ...hey link5019, if you legitimately have a uterus that bleeds, I'm sorry for my ignorance. I still think it sounds ludicrous, but whatever's clever... I don't care one way or the other tbh!
I just... I dunno, I think the punchline/meme of people who sexually identify as attack helicopters will eventually find us people who swear they secrete oil when they sweat.
Yeahhh....It's a thing, but it's okay, as long as you have an open mind and willing to learn, it's okay ^_^
Quote from: Georgette on June 02, 2017, 07:41:18 PM
Link5019
A lot of this could have been avoided if when you told of your symptoms, you had explained you were intersex with a partial uterus.
I questioned the bleeding, but when you explained your physical condition, I guess anything is possible.
Most in these TG/TS sections are not intersex, or have different equipment.
That's true...I didn't really think about that to be honest at the time.
Quote from: Georgette on June 02, 2017, 07:41:18 PM
Link5019
A lot of this could have been avoided if when you told of your symptoms, you had explained you were intersex with a partial uterus.
I questioned the bleeding, but when you explained your physical condition, I guess anything is possible.
Most in these TG/TS sections are not intersex, or have different equipment.
I agree and also think the interrogation style questioning wasn't warranted either.
Quote from: bubbles21 on June 02, 2017, 08:00:23 PM
I agree and also think the interrogation style questioning wasn't warranted either.
Yeah....I'll be better at initial explaining in the future.
Link you should not have to prove your experience. Those who went off so to speak could have to asked what sort of condition you had instead of essentially attacking your character.
I have researched it seems everything available by web about intersex conditions. Documentation of conditions involving partially formed mixed organs is available to read. Even illustrations are viewable on the web. Some of these traits were seemingly more common in the days of direct usage of DES for miscarriage prevention, however other progestins in high dosages could cause similar issues by blocking the androgen activity during the time of organ differentiation. The range of physical symptoms have been recorded as small as infused penile raphe with normal urethral exit, mid penile urethral exit, micro penis with bodily urethral exit, partial vaginal cavity with or without uterine tissues, uterine tissue and even urethral exit through the anus. Oh yes and partial ovarian tissues or ovatestes.
Has your doctor done a karyotype blood test or more in depth genome test to see if you have a genetic component? Karyotype can show if you do or don't have a trisomy23 condition. Often called 47xxy or other combination. Of the genes that can lead to mild and partial androgen insensitivity, some can cause health issues later in life. One gene can cause a build up of proteins in the cell that the mutated gene does not allow for the breakdown of. This can cause issues around 50 years of age as the proteins fill up the cell interior making it harder for other cell processes to take place.
I just got a karyotype test back. Normal 46xy. For me I suspect DES as it was still used in prescription prenatal vitamins by some pharma companies in the mid 1970s. I have a split penile raphe, an unfused perineal raphe, and for lack of a better description a female skeleton at birth. Oh but testosterone has done its damage.
So for others, bones form their shape early in pregnancy. Afterwards bones can increase size but the only shape change is at the growth plates. Things such as the formed pivot of elbows and knees, shape of the sacrum and the Sacrial joints to the ilium are formed before birth. Female hormones during puberty will affect the growth plates of the pelvic bones causing a wider position to the ischium and added length of the pubic bones at the symphysis but does not change the Sacrial ilium joints or the shape of the sacrum itself.
Quote from: Georgette on June 02, 2017, 07:41:18 PM
I questioned the bleeding, but when you explained your physical condition, I guess anything is possible.
Most in these TG/TS sections are not intersex, or have different equipment.
Hear hear. Having a partially formed uterus due to an intersex condition is a totally different story than most transwomen who, being 46xy, don't have one. The point is you don't have to explain or defend yourself, but in discussions like these not telling rather crucial facts about your experience can throw off people and turn the discussion into a... well... we all saw what happened.
The most important thing is that you're happy with yourself, and that the HRT works and gives you what you need to grow as a person. Period symptoms or not, it's about finding yourself and growing into a happy adult. Bottoms up! :D
Link I am really sorry you had to deal with all this. Many people just like to spout of their opinions without thinking outside the box of the ''normal''. I am glad it didnt phase ya :)
Actually, the condition she claims to have is impossible and has never been docummented. A uterus that bleeds with no ovaries but still needs SRS is not possible. Besides, anyone with a partially formed uterus is very unlikely to be raised as male. I can't believe there's actually people here defending these kind of claims. Intersex people already have enough of their own, while it may be a similar battle somehow, it's still different and desserves its own place. The fact that there's people who think appropriating these conditions will make themselves "more valid" is an insult not only to trans but also to intersex people. Most IS people don't identify as trans anyway and are unlikely to be found in a forum like this.
Quote from: Aurorasky on June 11, 2017, 12:56:51 PM
Actually, the condition she claims to have is impossible and has never been docummented. A uterus that bleeds with no ovaries but still needs SRS is not possible. Besides, anyone with a partially formed uterus is very unlikely to be raised as male. I can't believe there's actually people here defending these kind of claims. Intersex people already have enough of their own, while it may be a similar battle somehow, it's still different and desserves its own place. The fact that there's people who think appropriating these conditions will make themselves "more valid" is an insult not only to trans but also to intersex people. Most IS people don't identify as trans anyway and are unlikely to be found in a forum like this.
You need to open your eyes as there are at least half a dozen intersex member on the site and possibly more that aren't currently active. Intersex can be over 30 conditions and they don't express themselves in the same way. Some can have element of both genders so what has been posted is entirely believable. This isn't counting DES sons who are present on the site in even greater numbers.
As for why there are here, many face the same difficulties with a transition as we do. Some sites that are more transition only sites are not as accepting of gender variations as we are so the intersex feel unwelcome on those site. TOS 9 is the one thing that helps protect the intersex and other gender variations on this site making it welcome to all.
It's pretty clear at this point that link5019 and Aurorasky need to settle this with clubs inside a steel cage.
Quote from: Dena on June 11, 2017, 01:51:01 PM
You need to open your eyes as there are at least half a dozen intersex member on the site and possibly more that aren't currently active. Intersex can be over 30 conditions and they don't express themselves in the same way. Some can have element of both genders so what has been posted is entirely believable. This isn't counting DES sons who are present on the site in even greater numbers.
As for why there are here, many face the same difficulties with a transition as we do. Some sites that are more transition only sites are not as accepting of gender variations as we are so the intersex feel unwelcome on those site. TOS 9 is the one thing that helps protect the intersex and other gender variations on this site making it welcome to all.
Even if what you're saying is true, that doesn't make her claim true.
Quote from: Aurorasky on June 11, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
Even if what you're saying is true, that doesn't make her claim true.
By the same reasoning your claim of being transgender doesn't make it true but I accept the claims made by both of you as I have no reason to doubt them.
Quote from: Dena on June 11, 2017, 03:33:24 PM
By the same reasoning your claim of being transgender doesn't make it true but I accept the claims made by both of you as I have no reason to doubt them.
It's different. One condition (being transsexual) actually has a clinical diagnosis. Having a partial uterus that bleeds despite the lack of ovaries does not. Unless we have made a new discovery? But anyway I drop it. Doesn't matter. I guess if someone's happy believing that, let them.
edit: Dena, look back. Link specifically said she didn't cycle hormones.
Quote from: Aurorasky on June 11, 2017, 03:50:54 PM
It's different. One condition (being transsexual) actually has a clinical diagnosis. Having a partial uterus that bleeds despite the lack of ovaries does not.
Link5019 is on cycled HRT and the uterus doesn't care where the hormones come from as long as they are there. Women on birth control pills can see the same behavior. Cycled HRT isn't that common today but is the past it was more common. I was on it for many years however between the low dosage I received and my bodies insensitivity to hormone swings, I didn't notice differences during the month. Like most everybody else, I am now on a fixed daily dosage which is working as well as can be expected.
Oh Aurorasky, There are more things in heaven and earth than are dream't of in your philosophy my dear.
I'm not quite sure why you mean to hold your contention so vigorously. I can't quite see how you claiming to be the protector of intersex people has any merit here. ??
The endocrine system of the human body is far more complex than normally discussed on this site, that's for certain. I don't know if Link5019 does or doesn't have uterine tissues but for you to jump on her saying she is essentially lying is pretty poor form on your part.
BTW, it took a lot of digging through university medical papers to find some of what I have read but I do remember specifically the diagram of partial uterine tissues in case studies. Also endometrial cells can exist outside a fully formed uterus in a cis-woman. These cells are reactive to estrogen but can only reach the first stage without a rise in progesterone. This leaves open all sorts of potential senerios if someone has only partial tissues. Don't discount things just because they are seemingly unlikely. Definately don't discount people, especially here on this site. Its the one truely supportive place out there.
Ok as an intersex person I have one fully functioning ovary I started bleeding when I was 18 and went to the hospital and the did blood work and the doctor said well some one must have messed this up or you are female never ordered more tests or anything I would bleed once ever 3-6 months I has told it my be a fissure nothing really to worry about. 14 years later when I went for a check up the doctor did blood work and thought there was something strange so he sent me to a specialist my endo, from their he did more tests and found I have a uterus and 2 ovaries one partially functions It also gave my xxy chromosome from what my kartotype said . I am was totally sterile as male so cant have kids I than fully decided that was my trigger that made me decide fully and I can post the ultra sound and x ray images and Doctors note to prove. My doctor said it is possible that my mom took something with D.E.S. when she was carrying me. So these things happen and yes there are documented cases my is at London Heath Science in London ontario cases are far and few between but does happen
The XXY condition does exist...and it's nothing like you described. XXY causes sterility/infertility in natal males and can cause some degree of delayed puberty and lack of sexual secondary characteristics but it's not related to genital and reproductive organs ambiguity. DES is known to cause masculinization in female XX fetuses, not feminization in male XY fetuses, so I don't see why that's brought around here so much as a reason for why we may be this way.
DES is known to have caused feminization of male fetuses. It does so by effectively blocking androgen receptors. This allowing tissues to develop in nature s default condition which is female. There are plenty of cases of DES exposure male children with mixed organs, ovatestes, ect.
Perhaps it's time for a discussion on biology.
The Y chromosome contains one specific Gene of sexual importance. The SRY gene produces a hormone that triggers the gonad forming stem cells to form testes. Without this chemical they for ovaries. Even this chemical can be overridden. Ovatestes start forming as ovaries then change up part way through. Everything after this determining factor is precipitated by androgen production from the testes. In every human early structures of both reproductive systems form. If androgen receptors are triggered then the female portions are absorbed. If not the male portions are absorbed. Anything that effects androgen receptors will skew the process. Even the shape of the bone structure is affected by androgen receptors as are several known brain structures.
So we haven't even begun to scratch the surface here. There are several known genes that effect the shape and structure of the cell receptors themselves. These cause mild to full AIS. Then there's absorbed twin. Self mosaicism where furring early cell division the Y did not copy and nature somehow just copies the egg cell X creating a person with both XX and XY cells otherwise identicle. Maternal cell mosaicism. Heck there are known cases of fertile XY women giving birth. In that case likely their SRY gene was fully defective.
My point is you don't know it all. There is so much more to make us than you realize.
Quote from: Aurorasky on June 12, 2017, 04:53:41 AM
The XXY condition does exist...and it's nothing like you described. XXY causes sterility/infertility in natal males and can cause some degree of delayed puberty and lack of sexual secondary characteristics but it's not related to genital and reproductive organs ambiguity. DES is known to cause masculinization in female XX fetuses, not feminization in male XY fetuses, so I don't see why that's brought around here so much as a reason for why we may be this way.
I never said that this is why we are like this, I said this is what my Doctor said and with that there is many possibilities why we are like this no just one, there are millions of could be reasons we more than likely will never no for sure but I think it is interesting no to people are the same. And well for your other comment about it does not cause feminization in males than mayby my Doctor needs to go back and relearn this I think he knows what he is talking about.
Quote from: josie76 on June 12, 2017, 06:44:17 AM
DES is known to have caused feminization of male fetuses. It does so by effectively blocking androgen receptors. This allowing tissues to develop in nature s default condition which is female. There are plenty of cases of DES exposure male children with mixed organs, ovatestes, ect.
Perhaps it's time for a discussion on biology.
The Y chromosome contains one specific Gene of sexual importance. The SRY gene produces a hormone that triggers the gonad forming stem cells to form testes. Without this chemical they for ovaries. Even this chemical can be overridden. Ovatestes start forming as ovaries then change up part way through. Everything after this determining factor is precipitated by androgen production from the testes. In every human early structures of both reproductive systems form. If androgen receptors are triggered then the female portions are absorbed. If not the male portions are absorbed. Anything that effects androgen receptors will skew the process. Even the shape of the bone structure is affected by androgen receptors as are several known brain structures.
So we haven't even begun to scratch the surface here. There are several known genes that effect the shape and structure of the cell receptors themselves. These cause mild to full AIS. Then there's absorbed twin. Self mosaicism where furring early cell division the Y did not copy and nature somehow just copies the egg cell X creating a person with both XX and XY cells otherwise identicle. Maternal cell mosaicism. Heck there are known cases of fertile XY women giving birth. In that case likely their SRY gene was fully defective.
My point is you don't know it all. There is so much more to make us than you realize.
Well said thank you
Quote from: link5019 on June 02, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
For the love of...OMG I'm glad you're so amazingly sure of yourself that you know everything. A fully developed uterus is not necessary for period blood, nor is having ovaries. The Uterus is mainly controlled by the hormone progesterone, not estrogen, though it does play a small part. not just that, a period happens regardless of whether or not an egg was present in the system. I freaking personally know intersex people who have the same thing with no functional ovaries. You don't know my HRT regiment. What do you want me to say, I bleed, every month, during period week with cramps, and other symptoms. I do know how this works, and I've even discussed this with my doctor who, by the way, can back me up on this, so I am so sorry that you can't just accept what it is I'm experiencing and instead want to attack me like I don't know what I'm talking about when I've discussed this with my doctor, asked intersex women as well...I've done my homework and I'm sorry that I'm experiencing what is "impossible" to you.
If I may ask, what DSD do you have? Interested in knowing/finding/locating anyone with a similar DSD. Thanks.
For the love of...Can we just drop me and my personal life? Being personally singled out and being told I'm lying when my doctor had confirmed all of this, I thought that would be the end of it..but like seriously, I like this forum, but if this is how I'm going to be treated...well I don't feel very welcome. I already deal with enough freaking emotional abuse from my family with no real way of moving out at the moment and the last thing I need is someone else attacking me so seriously, just stop attacking me... :'(
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