Hi,
I haven't started HRT yet but I'm worried about, when I do, how passable I will be once it has had it's full effect and how long it will be until I pass as a girl. Most of my male puberty has happened.
Thanks
Sarah
well, tell us, hun, how has puberty affected you? do you have more muscular tissue than you would like? taller than you would like? have a 5 oclock shadow that is so dense that beard makeup won't even hide it?
please give us more info, and everybody on here is more than willing to help.
Best Wishes,
Mickie
Hi,
I feel I haven't gone that far in puberty I have very few beard hairs but my muscles are a problem.
Sarah
Hi, Sarah, i got lucky in that respect, i'm 25 and i never filled out for manly puberty, which i'm so thankful for. i'm sorry i won't be of much help with muscles, but i'm sure one of the other ladies on here could advise you. tbh, i have seen some quite built women around a lot more. i think if you don't look like a body builder you should be ok. wish i could help more.
best wishes,
Mickie
I got the passing down pretty well before I started HRT. I really didn't have the chance to get proper medical care in the early days. It cost money... and I had none.
Cindi
Quote from: foreversarah on March 18, 2008, 10:14:18 AM
Hi,
I haven't started HRT yet but I'm worried about, when I do, how passable I will be once it has had it's full effect and how long it will be until I pass as a girl. Most of my male puberty has happened.
Thanks
Sarah
HRT isn't a magic potion that will make you pass.....some people pass before HRT and some people never pass before or after HRT. Passing is more related to your physical structure, size and make up...than medication..
Hi Foreversarah Could you post a picture that would help us a lot in debating what what with you? The hormones make some very noticeable changes even in the facial. Since you are fairly young I would imagine transitioning will have some good results. Whether you could pass with or without the hormone's, I believe a photo would greatly help us to determine that. It could take anywheres from 2 to 6 or more months before the hormones start kicking in.
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on March 19, 2008, 03:06:13 AM
Hi Foreversarah Could you post a picture that would help us a lot in debating what what with you? The hormones make some very noticeable changes even in the facial. Since you are fairly young I would imagine transitioning will have some good results. Whether you could pass with or without the hormone's, I believe a photo would greatly help us to determine that. It could take anywheres from 2 to 6 or more months before the hormones start kicking in.
Cindy
I agree with Cindy and a picture can always help to know where you are and where you want to be......HRT is useful but you have to work at it yourself to get a result and not rely soley on HRT.....
Hi
Thanks for giving me knowledge on the subject. But I don't know how to add a picture.
Sarah
Posted on: March 19, 2008, 07:15:26 AM
Hi
This is a guess.
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Pictures are slices of time taken from particular perspectives that may or may not tell anyone anything they can use to answer the question you ask, Sarah.
As was pointed out the effects of hrt, prior skeletal structure, etc are too darned iffy for anyone to tell you that you 'pass' or do not.
Plus, 'passing' also involves things other than simply 'looks.' There's carrying one's self, voice, size, attitude, how well or unwell someone incorporates into her life a general range of behaviors and intangibles that other people 'read' as 'female.'
I'd hold off on pics, focus on learning instead. To 'resocialize' for many is the absolute most difficult part of transitioning. No matter how she may 'look.'
Nichole
Hi
Looks like that didn't work. ???
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Posted on: March 19, 2008, 07:20:11 AM
Hi
Yeah, I've put plenty of research into this.
Comparing a 28 year old and someone 10 years younger obviously it's going to have a greater effect on the younger one but what are the major differences. I'm having worries about when to transition and how it will affect my parents and education.
Sarah
Sarah, I wish you the best of luck. If you are thinking that hormones are going to make you pass, you will be disappointed. They do help, but only in the overall scheme of things. FWIW, I learned to pass pre-anything. If you can do that, hormones will only make you better.
I look forward to seeing your pic.
Peace,
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Hi Foreversarah, Apparently you do not have a photo processor like photo bucket, if not you could email the photo to me and I can re post it here for you.
Cindy
Quote from: Nichole on March 19, 2008, 08:19:07 AM
Plus, 'passing' also involves things other than simply 'looks.' There's carrying one's self, voice, size, attitude, how well or unwell someone incorporates into her life a general range of behaviors and intangibles that other people 'read' as 'female.'
I agree that photos are somewhat pointless. Static pictures just don't capture someone's LIFE. They don't see what real people see. And TSs especially don't see what
The Public sees.
I've decided I have NO idea what makes passing possible. I really don't. It's not just looks, or "presentation," or voice or mannerisms or "female vibes."
I honestly think it's Grace. It's a gift. Magic. Not to go off the deep end here, but the only way I can explain it for myself is to say you EARN it by living truthfully. By sticking tenaciously to your fate, your destiny, to who you are. Somehow, in some inexplicable way, that seems to "allow" it to happen. It's bestowed, not created, learned or forced.
While using the bathroom at a psych's office, I happened to look up and see a sign on the wall. It said something like,
"Faith isn't believing in things without proof, it's trusting without expectation..." or something to that effect. And I just had to laugh, as that's pretty much what this whole thing has been about for me.
Faith. Faith and trust that if you live truthfully, things WILL work out. Life WANTS it work out for you. Ya just gotta learn to be honest with yourself ;)
~Kate~
Hi
Wow, I wasn't expecting this many replies. :icon_yikes:
It's helped me reach a fairly good conclusion, thanks. But perhaps I should be more concerned about coming out right now. :icon_nervious: I just need the courage.
Sarah
Hi Sarah,
I think you you have so many replies because the subject of passing is so near and dear to us all.
We all have questions about passing, and I still have deep concerns that I don't and never will but
a few kind girls here seem to think I do. But as Kate says, it's not one picture, it day to day, minute to
minute, it's attitude, it's demeanor, it's voice. So many things go into passing that it is overwhelming
sometimes and I REALLY admire all the girls that have done it successfully.
One thing that really helped me is makeup. I know a lot of younger GG's and TS's do not wear makeup
but I think for me anyway, the only chance I have of passing is learning to use it to hide my male flaws.
Anyway, I hope you find happiness and we all wish you the best.
Amanda
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on March 20, 2008, 12:32:08 PM
One thing that really helped me is makeup. I know a lot of younger GG's and TS's do not wear makeup
but I think for me anyway, the only chance I have of passing is learning to use it to hide my male flaws.
It's weird, makeup DOES seem to look great on most people, but for me... I've always thought it somehow made me look MORE male, lol. Now, maybe I'm just not using it properly, but somehow things like eyeliner just seem to "harden" my features. And foundation makes my skin look more rough (plus I hate the feel of it).
Sooo... it's just lip gloss for me ;)
One thing I've noticed is that the more natural you are, the better you pass. Less is more. Sometimes adding TOO many feminine touches just highlights the masculine traits through contrast. I swear I'm more passable in a T-shirt and jeans without any makeup and my hair tied back than I am in a dress and heels and all done up, lol.
~Kate~
Hi Amanda, You will do Ok too. You pass way more then I did when I started out. I was lucky that gaining weight and after a while on HRT made my face look more credible and projecting what I wanted people to see. Believe me I looked scary wen I stated out, a traffic stopper. "Hee, hee." I actually did stop traffic for the first time in the history of that little town I was living in. Of course the guy that was driving by had his eye balls pointing the wrong way form the direction he was driving in. I was bent over putting stuff in the back seat when heard car tires screeching, the guy that was eyeing up my butt as he drove by nearly ran into an oncoming car. Ya there are also some fun times to be had as well.
Cindy
I know what you mean about makeup working for some and not others and I think it is all about
face structure and technique. It's like painting one wall of a room... you realize how bad the rest
of the room looks. :)
Depending on your face shape you can do things that hide your flaws that we all have. In my case I was
so worried about my forehead but after getting a lot better with highlighting and eye shadow I think
I can hide most of what I was worried about. I have pretty girlly eyebrows which always looked funny on
a male but I love them with makeup on. My eyebrows sit above my brow bone which is so wonderful for
that feminine look.
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With makeup I think my eyes/forehead are my most feminine feature and from the bridge up I feel I
look mostly female from any angle. But now my bad nose and chin are amplified and there is no way
to hide those with makeup. I can't win! It's going to take a rhino for me when I can afford it.
I absolutely love taking the time to do my makeup, it's one of my most enjoyable pastimes now. It's
my new hobby :)
Oh Cindy, thanks so much! I'd love to be in the position of having to gain weight to pass :)
You look GREAT and very pretty.
Your hair is so cool- is that really your real hair? because it looks wonderful!
Quote from: Kate on March 20, 2008, 01:00:58 PM
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on March 20, 2008, 12:32:08 PM
One thing that really helped me is makeup. I know a lot of younger GG's and TS's do not wear makeup
but I think for me anyway, the only chance I have of passing is learning to use it to hide my male flaws.
It's weird, makeup DOES seem to look great on most people, but for me... I've always thought it somehow made me look MORE male, lol. Now, maybe I'm just not using it properly, but somehow things like eyeliner just seem to "harden" my features. And foundation makes my skin look more rough (plus I hate the feel of it).
Sooo... it's just lip gloss for me ;)
One thing I've noticed is that the more natural you are, the better you pass. Less is more. Sometimes adding TOO many feminine touches just highlights the masculine traits through contrast. I swear I'm more passable in a T-shirt and jeans without any makeup and my hair tied back than I am in a dress and heels and all done up, lol.
~Kate~
I never wear make and if I do it looks worse on me also....make up will make you look more male and if you do wear make up make sure it's the bare minimum..
I prefer a natural look and I try and get a really clear complexion and clear skin. Everything you've said in your message is right Kate....and the T shirt, jeans, boots and hair tied up is the way I dress....I always try and get as far away as I can from the stereotypical transsexual image......
um, if you dont or cant pass before hrt, it CAN make you pass... hell, it did to me...
depends, it can work with what you have, you may not think you have it, but you might be able to...
i know for a fact that pre hrt, id never have passed...., once i stopped t, it atually became silly easy...
R >:D
Quote from: Rachael on March 21, 2008, 10:49:07 AM
um, if you dont or cant pass before hrt, it CAN make you pass... hell, it did to me...
depends, it can work with what you have, you may not think you have it, but you might be able to...
i know for a fact that pre hrt, id never have passed...., once i stopped t, it atually became silly easy...
R >:D
If someone doesn't pass without make up I don't think they would automatically pass with it either.....any male features they have will only be highlighted more with make up..
Whatever your doing your doing it right because in your pics it doesn't look like your wearing make up.....but that doesn't mean it works for everyone..
Hi Berliegh,
There is no way I'd even try to pass without makeup. In my case it makes all the difference in the
world and the more the better in my opinion. I don't think for me highlights anything male or makes
anything standout more. But I'm sure face structure has a lot to do with it.
But I have always liked the way women look that wear makeup though and that may be part of it,
I'm just gravitating toward what I like to see on women. It may also be regional as I live in a city
where most women wear a lot of makeup unless they are young and have great skin. It really is
amazing the imperfections that you can cover up.
Plus I love to do it, it's so much fun. :)
Quote from: Berliegh on March 21, 2008, 10:55:35 AM
Whatever your doing your doing it right because in your pics it doesn't look like your wearing make up.....but that doesn't mean it works for everyone..
im not ;)
R >:D
Quote from: Rachael on March 21, 2008, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on March 21, 2008, 10:55:35 AM
Whatever your doing your doing it right because in your pics it doesn't look like your wearing make up.....but that doesn't mean it works for everyone..
im not ;)
R >:D
I rest my case..
Quote from: Berliegh on March 21, 2008, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: Rachael on March 21, 2008, 10:49:07 AM
um, if you dont or cant pass before hrt, it CAN make you pass... hell, it did to me...
depends, it can work with what you have, you may not think you have it, but you might be able to...
i know for a fact that pre hrt, id never have passed...., once i stopped t, it atually became silly easy...
R >:D
If someone doesn't pass without make up I don't think they would automatically pass with it either.....any male features they have will only be highlighted more with make up..
Whatever your doing your doing it right because in your pics it doesn't look like your wearing make up.....but that doesn't mean it works for everyone..
Well I have to say that if the way you are doing makeup accentuates your male features, there's a good chance you are not doing it correctly. I have seen some really good makeup artists work some wonders on some male features. Though I have passed wearing only a bare minimum of makeup, the best thing I ever did was to go get a makeover by who someone who knew what she was doing. And I made her teach me how to do it. I'll never do it as well as she can, but I'm much, much better after that session. It's great for your confidence as well.
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Quote from: Berliegh on March 21, 2008, 01:58:46 PM
Quote from: Rachael on March 21, 2008, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on March 21, 2008, 10:55:35 AM
Whatever your doing your doing it right because in your pics it doesn't look like your wearing make up.....but that doesn't mean it works for everyone..
im not ;)
R >:D
I rest my case..
I rest mine....
dont make me get my photo of before and after out :P
if thats no makeup, and theres none in the bloke ones, its a good control for hrt's effects ;)
R >:D
Quote from: Kristi on March 21, 2008, 01:59:21 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on March 21, 2008, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: Rachael on March 21, 2008, 10:49:07 AM
um, if you dont or cant pass before hrt, it CAN make you pass... hell, it did to me...
depends, it can work with what you have, you may not think you have it, but you might be able to...
i know for a fact that pre hrt, id never have passed...., once i stopped t, it atually became silly easy...
R >:D
If someone doesn't pass without make up I don't think they would automatically pass with it either.....any male features they have will only be highlighted more with make up..
Whatever your doing your doing it right because in your pics it doesn't look like your wearing make up.....but that doesn't mean it works for everyone..
Well I have to say that if the way you are doing makeup accentuates your male features, there's a good chance you are not doing it correctly. I have seen some really good makeup artists work some wonders on some male features. Though I have passed wearing only a bare minimum of makeup, the best thing I ever did was to go get a makeover by who someone who knew what she was doing. And I made her teach me how to do it. I'll never do it as well as she can, but I'm much, much better after that session. It's great for your confidence as well.
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I wasn't referring to me personally but a lot of Transsexuals do look worse with make up than without......but as you say some look better. I can wear make up or not wear make up, but I prefer not to wear make up as I don't need to. If I do I wear make it's very little. I think it's whatever you think suits your own criteria..
A lot of it has to do with age also... if I had skin like Rachel's I wouldn't wear foundation either, but for
me it's a requirement :) Maybe a peel or micro-dermabration will help down the road a little but there
is a so much that needs to come before that :)
Kristi: I used a makeup artist as well and I highly recommend it to everyone, especially anyone that
might have trouble passing. And you are so right it helps your confidence greatly. Makup artists (and makeup)
can truly work wonders. :)
I still think very little or no make up works best for most transsexuals....
I disagree...
transsexuals need makeup as much as natal women.... some need it, some dont, but one thing is common.... NOBODY needs bad makeup, GOOD makeup on the other hand, can make anyone look better... that is the key.
R >:D
Quote from: Rachael on March 22, 2008, 08:05:36 AM
I disagree...
transsexuals need makeup as much as natal women.... some need it, some dont, but one thing is common.... NOBODY needs bad makeup, GOOD makeup on the other hand, can make anyone look better... that is the key.
R >:D
That was the basic structure of what I meant to say but you put it across much better than I did...
We all have our own way of doing things and for my own criteria I prefer not to wear much make up. I wore far more in the early days in the 90's but realised I looked better without it or with very little...
If i could be bothered to learn, i might, but liner, shaddow and scara does me fine for a night out with some lippy or just vaseline...
Ill buy plasterers gear for when im older ;)
R >:D