Ok, following the topic about what makes them tick - would you date one?
I know a lot of lesbians and bi girls have a thing for guys like me. Soon as I say I'm a transguy, I get tons of girls hitting on me in lesbian chatrooms.
It doesn't bother me. I don't mind a girl wanting me for my pussy. As long as she respects me as a man.
I'm never getting rid of my box, so why should I care if it turns girls on?
Your thoughts? Would you date a TS admirer? Why or why not?
You Free this weekend Handsome!
If it has a pulse I would date it!
Buffy
Actually, I'm booked for this weekend. But not for next. ;D
Quote from: Nero on July 22, 2008, 07:48:24 AM
Actually, I'm booked for this weekend. But not for next. ;D
Actually, with any luck after this weekend, maybe you'll be booked for the next weekend too ;D
Z
Quote from: Nero on July 22, 2008, 07:48:24 AM
Actually, I'm booked for this weekend. But not for next. ;D
So I read, just testing your resolve!
Yes... I would date a TS Admirer, so long as they treated me nicely, I see no problems.
I can always fall back on my Brown Belt in Thai Kick boxing if they dont...
Buffy
Quote from: Nero on July 22, 2008, 07:38:59 AM
would you date one?
I have done so. More than one of them in my lifetime.
I note you said "admirer" and not "->-bleeped-<-." I approve of the distinction.
Would I date someone who specifically desired me because I was once male?
No.
Would I date someone who desired me first, then found out about my prior history and found it intriguing?
Maybe.
But I dunno. I was already thinking about this, and I realized that I sorta wouldn't trust anyone who found out about my history and was instantly perfectly fine with it. I know that sounds backwards, but I think I'd always worry he just found me to be a "taboo," a kink of some sort. A thrill.
Now if a guy found out about my history after first being attracted to me, and had to seriously ponder whether he was ok with it or not... and decided that he'd like to find out... THAT appeals to me more.
I only wish I HAD such problems, lol...
~Kate~
I probably wouldn't
I'd just find it way too weird to date someone who admired the fact i was TS. Its just a small part of me and that i really don't care for much. And i'd hate it if that was a significant part of what somebody was attracted to in me - i like to think theres a lot more to me than that!
Quote from: Kate on July 22, 2008, 08:21:44 AM
Would I date someone who desired me first, then found out about my prior history and found it intriguing?
Maybe.
But I dunno. I was already thinking about this, and I realized that I sorta wouldn't trust anyone who found out about my history and was instantly perfectly fine with it. I know that sounds backwards, but I think I'd always worry he just found me to be a "taboo," a kink of some sort. A thrill.
Now if a guy found out about my history after first being attracted to me, and had to seriously ponder whether he was ok with it or not... and decided that he'd like to find out... THAT appeals to me more.
I only wish I HAD such problems, lol...
You think too much! :laugh:
Dating depends much more on how people get along and what someone is looking for in another person, imo. Buffy looks for a pulse and Kate seems to want someone she has figured out as far as their thinking goes.
I don't date, but doubt I'd have a problem dating an 'admirer' at least once. Of course, my idea about dating is like my idea about test-drives for cars. Just because I go out with the car doesn't mean I'm driving off the lot with it. See a range of people if the range of people asks you out or if you ask them.
None of it is set in stone. If I constantly go searching for the "perfect one" before I date, then I'd imagine I'll do more staying at home than dating.
Nichole
Yeah I would. I'd date a woman who likes short guys too. It's just something about me, being trans. My one concern would be that if I were in a position to get bottom surgery, it would have big repercussions for a partner if that was what she was attracted to. But then, any of our surgeries can have a big effect on a partner because we're changing our bodies.
Dennis
When a lesbian hits on me, it bugs me.
She sees me as a woman, or a man that "used to be" a woman. Now, if we can establish that she sees me as a guy, maybe likes me because I understand what it is to be a woman or maybe because I have some feminine qualities in my bone structure or something... but if she's chasing me because I have a vagina and tits, it's not going to work.
If someone wants me for my pussy, no doubt do they want to touch it, play with it, look at it, eat it, something. And you know, I just can't let that happen. It's past my comfort zone. It really bothers me. If my transition all goes well, I will get rid of my box. That's step 3 of the major medical part of my transition.
Step one is hormones. That will last my whole life of course, but the state itself will go on 1-3 years before I start the next step, top surgery. After top surgery has been done, I'll need a recovery time and to wait for a therapist to get around to signing off for a full hysterectomy. I just want my vagina gone so that there isn't an opportunity to shove things in there. Step four, in a perfect world, I'd be able to get a somewhat normal in size, shape, color, and function of a penis. But I just don't see that in my future right now, so I see myself having some sort of medioplasty maybe before I go for a hysto so I can free a swollen clitoris (because I've now figured a tiny dick is better than none).
I would date a TS admirer if they admired me for qualities other than being "mixed" or "a man with a pussy I can ->-bleeped-<-." Because I know some men and women both like the idea of a man with a hole to shove things into. I don't want to be someone's cheap thrill or fantasy.
Meh. No one's thought I was "hot" because I'm trans. They've thought I was hot as a "cisguy" (they didn't know I'm trans). There's a few lesbians that can sniff me out and think I'm a really masculine girl. I MIGHT date a lesbian if she could respect my gender identity. Hell, my best friend has quite the crush on me, and my dad said she'd be a safe first kiss for me... haha. Maybe.
It would bug me too if a woman who identified as 100% lesbian was attracted to me. I haven't had any lesbians remotely interested in me since the first year of transition, so I'd guess that those who were weren't seeing me as me. If a woman had been primarily lesbian, but admitted to some bisexual attraction and saw me as a man, that'd be ok though.
Dennis
Yeah. I met a FtM who was married to a lesbian and lived as a lesbian for many years. He transitioned, and his wife grieved, but eventually accepted him as a man. That to me just seems... ideal. But I just don't know if I could be so lucky. She was obviously already attracted to a very masculine lesbian, so things worked out.
Elwood, I thought you were gay, dude. ??? :) lol
I have and it worked out ok. Never really went beyond going out once or twice.
Quote from: Kate on July 22, 2008, 08:21:44 AM
Would I date someone who specifically desired me because I was once male?
No.
i'm with kate on this one!
Quote from: Kate on July 22, 2008, 08:21:44 AM
Would I date someone who desired me first, then found out about my prior history and found it intriguing?
Maybe.
my answer to this question is "yes" though
Quote from: Nero on July 22, 2008, 10:06:41 AMElwood, I thought you were gay, dude. ??? :) lol
I'm questioning.
God, do I love men. But I just... my self esteem is crushed. Without a penis, I can't really pleasure a gay man the way he wishes. I can't be truly intimate with him, with raw interactions skin to skin. It'll be a rubber dick or something... It just torments me, the thought. I just keep thinking sexually it will never work out... maybe transition will make me feel different... I just don't know. I prefer men, love men, but it only seems to work in my fantasy world where I have a penis.
Quote from: Elwood on July 22, 2008, 09:26:41 AM
When a lesbian hits on me, it bugs me.
I figured I'd finally arrived when lesbians started hitting on me.
Quote from: Elwood on July 22, 2008, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 22, 2008, 10:06:41 AMElwood, I thought you were gay, dude. ??? :) lol
I'm questioning.
God, do I love men. But I just... my self esteem is crushed. Without a penis, I can't really pleasure a gay man the way he wishes. I can't be truly intimate with him, with raw interactions skin to skin. It'll be a rubber dick or something... It just torments me, the thought. I just keep thinking sexually it will never work out... maybe transition will make me feel different... I just don't know. I prefer men, love men, but it only seems to work in my fantasy world where I have a penis.
Well, I have no know firsthand knowledge of this, but from what I've heard from gay ftms, there are a lot of gay men who want to try it with them even if just for the curiousity. Sure, there are men who outright reject them but there are also men who are interested.
Quote from: Nero on July 22, 2008, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: Elwood on July 22, 2008, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 22, 2008, 10:06:41 AMElwood, I thought you were gay, dude. ??? :) lol
I'm questioning.
God, do I love men. But I just... my self esteem is crushed. Without a penis, I can't really pleasure a gay man the way he wishes. I can't be truly intimate with him, with raw interactions skin to skin. It'll be a rubber dick or something... It just torments me, the thought. I just keep thinking sexually it will never work out... maybe transition will make me feel different... I just don't know. I prefer men, love men, but it only seems to work in my fantasy world where I have a penis.
Well, I have no know firsthand knowledge of this, but from what I've heard from gay ftms, there are a lot of gay men who want to try it with them even if just for the curiousity. Sure, there are men who outright reject them but there are also men who are interested.
Hmm. But do they want to have anything to do with my vagina?
I don't know. I presume some would and some wouldn't. Some would be turned on by the extra hole and some wouldn't because they're not attracted to pussy and wouldn't know what to do with it.
Well, that's good, I think.
Ugh. I still dread it, though. I feel like I can't enjoy sex without a dick, you know? Well, you don't know. But you get the idea, right?
It's just really hard for me to accept my body in this configuration.
Quote from: Nichole on July 22, 2008, 08:50:28 AM
You think too much! :laugh:... Kate seems to want someone she has figured out as far as their thinking goes.
It's how I feel. How I feel is valid. It's not "thinking too much." It's how *I* feel about it.
I'm not interested in "playing the field" or experiencing a wide range of people in intimate situations. I AM interested in finding
The Right One (should my situation come to that). I DO find it important to understand *why* someone is interested in me. I (would) want to intertwine myself with someone's very soul, be 1 + 1 = 1. I can't have that with someone who wants "a transsexual," I can only have it with someone who wants Kate.
~Kate~
I don't have a problem dating an admirer so long as he's not married. That seems to be a common problem for the ones I've gone out with. I require they identify as queer though. Wanting to be with trans women doesn't make one gay but it's a stretch to claim to be straight. So long as we all know who and what we are it's ok. My stuff isn't off limits either. I don't get that much out of it but it's certainly not unpleasant and it makes my partner really happy. In my mind that's a good thing!
Quote from: Kate on July 22, 2008, 11:15:45 AM
Quote from: Nichole on July 22, 2008, 08:50:28 AM
You think too much! :laugh:... Kate seems to want someone she has figured out as far as their thinking goes.
It's how I feel. How I feel is valid. It's not "thinking too much." It's how *I* feel about it.
I'm not interested in "playing the field" or experiencing a wide range of people in intimate situations. I AM interested in finding The Right One (should my situation come to that). I DO find it important to understand *why* someone is interested in me. I (would) want to intertwine myself with someone's very soul, be 1 + 1 = 1. I can't have that with someone who wants "a transsexual," I can only have it with someone who wants Kate.
~Kate~
Absolutely! and that's true for me as well. The question was about 'dating,' not LTRs. If I'm out to date, then in some ways I do "play the field." But, I might just let a ball bounce by me or roll between my legs if I don't like the look of it.
It's just I have to be in the game, unless I am convinced that the 'right person' is simply going to come looking for me and when he does I can let down my hair and he'll climb it and rescue me from the tower I'm imprisoned in.
The only thing ever puzzled me, even at four about "Rapunzel" was how would they have both gotten down the tower wall on her hair if he was carrying her. That seemed even then an insurmountable difficulty. :laugh:
Quote from: Nichole on July 22, 2008, 12:49:02 PMIt's just I have to be in the game, unless I am convinced that the 'right person' is simply going to come looking for me...
Giggle... and hence my thread about WHY DON'T MEN SEE ME? Things I need have a tendency to find me. But men? Something's off there, I'm missing something somewhere. Using the wrong bait I 'spose.
But (if my situation changes) I WILL find
Him... and Him me. And it won't be when I'm looking, it won't be after wading through a pool of varied men, or trolling clubs, or posting to dating sites. It'll be buying the same book at the same time in a bookstore... or some funny misunderstanding when out to dinner with friends... or I dunno. Whatever it takes. Whatever Fate finds amusing.
~Kate~
Quote from: Kate on July 22, 2008, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: Nichole on July 22, 2008, 12:49:02 PMIt's just I have to be in the game, unless I am convinced that the 'right person' is simply going to come looking for me...
Giggle... and hence my thread about WHY DON'T MEN SEE ME? Things I need have a tendency to find me. But men? Something's off there, I'm missing something somewhere. Using the wrong bait I 'spose.
But (if my situation changes) I WILL find Him... and Him me. And it won't be when I'm looking, it won't be after wading through a pool of varied men, or trolling clubs, or posting to dating sites. It'll be buying the same book at the same time in a bookstore... or some funny misunderstanding when out to dinner with friends... or I dunno. Whatever it takes. Whatever Fate finds amusing.
:laugh: I've no doubt that you will.
Quoteit won't be after wading through a pool of varied men, or trolling clubs, or posting to dating sites.
OMG!!! No, I think that would do for neither of us. But somewhere between staying home and that!! And you'd do fine with men if you just could manage to believe that as much as you believe this. :)
Nichole
Why not.
As long as two people enjoy each other, where is the problem?
I would have said, never, but I'm not so sure now. I am quite needy for affection. A TS admirer with the right look and approach could turn my head. Funny though at my age, not gonna happen. Still it is fun to muse. Maybe my prince will come. I would vastly prefer a princess though. I guess they can be TS admirer's too.
Maggie
Quote from: Maggie Kay on July 22, 2008, 04:57:27 PM
I would have said, never, but I'm not so sure now. I am quite needy for affection. A TS admirer with the right look and approach could turn my head. Funny though at my age, not gonna happen. Still it is fun to muse. Maybe my prince will come. I would vastly prefer a princess though. I guess they can be TS admirer's too.
Maggie
Could very well happen. Plenty of divorcees and widowers out there.
I remember that the goal at one point was to date a guy stealth who freeks out when I tell him and then tearfully accepts that I am a woman and he is in hopelessly love with me. But after a few years of guys freaking out and dumping me, sometimes with death threats mixed in, I came to realize that it is just not a realistic goal, and there is no such thing as unconditional love. So I posted online as a post op and dated the respondents. Met my spouse that way. He'd dated one or two preops previously, but primarily cisgendered women. We've been living together together monogomously now for almost ten years.
QuoteQuoteGod, do I love men. But I just... my self esteem is crushed. Without a penis, I can't really pleasure a gay man the way he wishes. I can't be truly intimate with him, with raw interactions skin to skin. It'll be a rubber dick or something... It just torments me, the thought. I just keep thinking sexually it will never work out... maybe transition will make me feel different... I just don't know. I prefer men, love men, but it only seems to work in my fantasy world where I have a penis.
QuoteWell, I have no know firsthand knowledge of this, but from what I've heard from gay ftms, there are a lot of gay men who want to try it with them even if just for the curiousity. Sure, there are men who outright reject them but there are also men who are interested.
QuoteHmm. But do they want to have anything to do with my vagina?
i could definitely deal with a FTM not wanting anything to do with his vagina. personally, im a fan of the outdoors, even if your deck is little. :P
Sometimes i think like "why eould i date someone who likes me for my T status"
but then in a way it is like a big-boobed girl try to avoid dating with the guy who
likes her big-boobs....
Anyway, if you are liked only for your t status and some unpleasont physical reminders of
it thand definetly NO
Never had it click with an admirer. But sure I guess... if it was the right guy. And if it was the kind who just thinks TS girls are cool people.
But the kind who only wants me because I still have a penis so they can live out some bicurious fantasies... @£$(¤!!! them.
I'm sure that I have. I mean, I didn't pass very well in the very beginning. But I was never intimate with them. I just didn't feel comfortable in those times with myself.... you know... before GRS. Besides, I was a right wing prude. ;)
Cindi
Quote from: Mari on July 23, 2008, 02:41:17 AM
Sometimes i think like "why eould i date someone who likes me for my T status"
but then in a way it is like a big-boobed girl try to avoid dating with the guy who
likes her big-boobs....
Anyway, if you are liked only for your t status and some unpleasont physical reminders of
it thand definetly NO
While I might date someone who only likes me for my body, that would eventually become clear and I would have problems with that. And I
have had problems with that and gotten out because of it. I want to be loved for a lot better reasons than just physical attraction. But for all that, I have no objection to my beloved being attracted to my physical characteristics, whatever they are. What I want is that should not be the
only attraction. I want to be loved for
who I am, not
what I am.
Quote from: Mari on July 23, 2008, 02:41:17 AM
Sometimes i think like "why eould i date someone who likes me for my T status"
but then in a way it is like a big-boobed girl try to avoid dating with the guy who
likes her big-boobs....
GREAT point. I'm starting to reconsider my absolute NO! answer a bit. I wouldn't date someone who specifically liked my having male genitals, but if I was postop... and they knew it... and merely found my history sorta "exotic" or intriguing... well... maybe.
I guess my NO! reflexive reaction is mostly my insecurity and fear of someone liking me for ANY aspect of perceived maleness, either past or present. Maybe that's something *I* need to get over.
~Kate~
Quote from: Nero on July 22, 2008, 07:38:59 AM
I'm never getting rid of my box, so why should I care if it turns girls on?
HAahhaAHah!! I love you Nero! You're so awesome!
*ahem* anyhoo... Would I? Possibly, though it's a stretch. I've found "admirerers" to be a little strange. I mean, if you think about what the psychology may be behind it: We are a fetish -- sexual desires that may be too embarrassing to share with just anyone. It builds and builds into this compelling want. Some people like rough sex and to be choked and lightly beaten ( ;D); some people like feet. We're this sexual curiousity, not humans, to them. Eh, now, I should say this is my exprience. When I'm approached by a guy under the pretense of being trans, they act so. -- EW!! Like they want to just sex so badly! So, by and large, no; I probably wouldn't. I'll take my chances meeting really nice guys who have never heard of a trans girl/guy, tell them, and let the chips fall where they may.
I figured out what made trans bars/club soooooooo creepy. You walk in and you have the girls enjoying themselves... then you have all these individual men, lining the walls and occupying chairs -- by themselves. Most bars/clubs there are groups of friends that came together, laughing and having fun. These men at trans clubs would never tell their friends and family "I'm at the ->-bleeped-<- bar"! They're there alone hoping to act out a fantasy. It's just the creepiest thing to see these guys scope out the girls -- standing there with their hands in their pockets --
choosing!
I dunno. it's cowardly to me.
Thanks for reading! :P
I wouldnt mind being with a ts admirer.
Especially not if they were ts (especially FtM) themselves or butch lesbians. :o
Im kind of a ts admirer myself (just like Ive said in the ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- thread) and Im really attracted to masculine women. That being said, I want to add that I *never* see FtMs as masculine women, Im attracted to them because our bodies are the same.
I think that I would, but I would be interested in why he would be interested, Does that make sense?
I am with Kate. I wouldn't because of my history or my condition, but if he knew and that it didn't matter to him then I might.
Like Elwood said dating a FtM would be ideal, because of the similar histories.
Janet
In my case that would be very unlikely since I wouldn't tell a potential partner anything about my TS history. Personally I want my boyfriend to like me and want me for who I am, a woman and not because I was born with a .....ummm..*coughs*...birth defect.
tink :icon_chick:
What defects
Quote from: Tink on July 23, 2008, 10:30:44 PM
In my case that would be very unlikely since I wouldn't tell a potential partner anything about my TS history. Personally I want my boyfriend to like me and want me for who I am, a woman and not because I was born with a .....ummm..*coughs*...birth defect.
tink :icon_chick:
What defect?!!! You're pretty much perfect and you know that!! :)
N~
Well, I could NEVER be with anyone who gets his sexual kicks on the idea that I was once male-bodied. Period. ;D :P
tink :icon_chick:
And you haven't been, have you! :D PERIOD!! >:D
N~
Quote from: Nichole on July 23, 2008, 10:58:18 PM
And you haven't been, have you! :D
N~
No, I haven't. Actually someone IRL said something to me a long time ago. "Well, your ex was with you during your entire transition, wasn't he?"
Indeed, he was, but that didn't make him a TS "admirer" (whatever that is) He was there because he loved me and supported me but our sexual lives were non-existent due to my inability to cope with "parts" which weren't mine. And thankfully he respected my wishes. Okay, too much personal information! :P
tink :icon_chick:
Quote from: Tasha Elizabeth on July 23, 2008, 11:03:20 PM
Quote from: Janet Lynn on July 23, 2008, 10:55:56 AM
I think that I would, but I would be interested in why he would be interested, Does that make sense?
I am with Kate. I wouldn't because of my history or my condition, but if he knew and that it didn't matter to him then I might.
Like Elwood said dating a FtM would be ideal, because of the similar histories.
Janet
well, i'd sure date elwood! er, if i werent old enough to be his great great grandmother :-\
Elwood is young enough to be my grandson, Jay on the other hand is closer to my age. Too bad he's on the other side of the country. ;D
Janet
Quote from: Tink on July 23, 2008, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: Nichole on July 23, 2008, 10:58:18 PM
And you haven't been, have you! :D
N~
No, I haven't. Actually someone IRL said something to me a long time ago. "Well, your ex was with you during your entire transition, wasn't he?"
Indeed, he was, but that didn't make him a TS "admirer" (whatever that is) He was there because he loved me and supported me but our sexual lives were non-existent due to my inability to cope with "parts" which weren't mine. And thankfully he respected my wishes. Okay, too much personal information! :P
tink :icon_chick:
Hey!! I didn't say that. And didn't make you give that personal info either, why the tongue out at me!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :icon_hug:
Don't people just kill ya? Like you've been with him for years and they say something like that?!!
I'm sure it must have been enough to bring out the Lector in you. Wouldn't blame you at all for that. It was, well, rude!
Nichole
Quote from: Janet Lynn on July 23, 2008, 11:14:26 PM
Elwood is young enough to be my grandson, Jay on the other hand is closer to my age. Too bad he's on the other side of the country. ;D
Janet
Tell ya what, Janet, just drive that ol' motorcycle over here to the east coast, and we'll hitch it up behind the RV and drive off to see the country. Okay?? ;)
Jay
Well! I think my chances of hooking up with a transgirl might be fairly high! LOL!
I don't think I've ever had an FtM crush on me. Then again, I've only met 2 FtMs, one androgyne, and I think... 3 MtFs total (in person).
Jay Honey,
Unfortunately I had to sell the bike, but I'll tell what you bring the RV to West Coast ;) and I'll show you real mountains :laugh: and a real ocean. And a real volcano.
Love,
Janet ;D
Quote from: Janet Lynn on July 24, 2008, 09:20:01 AM
Jay Honey,
Unfortunately I had to sell the bike, but I'll tell what you bring the RV to West Coast ;) and I'll show you real mountains :laugh: and a real ocean. And a real volcano.
Love,
Janet ;D
Bummer! My plans do include a trip to the Northwest as I've never been. I have a couple of years more of work before I can hit the road (ideally). Transitioning is hitting me in the pocketbook so I've got to work a bit longer before early retirement, LOL. Too much country to see, so little time. sigh..
Jay
Bummer.
When you get here look me up, Hon. Meanwhile how do you feel about a long distance relationship. ;D >:D
I wish I could retire early, but the way things stand unless I marry a good man I will be working until I'm 70. And by then there will be no SSI.
Love,
Janet
Well when I retire early it's not because I have a ton of money. It's just that I need to be on the move for a while.
I have an online job that will pay the bills but I need to pay off a few things first and sock money into my 401K. I will keep working online and likely be a workamper (ie working at a campground to pay lot rent and electric) while working online full-time, which should let me see the country and still earn money and save.
The way I see it life is too short. Yes I know I'll need money for retirement but I want to live, for tomorrow I may be hit by a bus! LOL
I figure I'd rather spend my money on experiences rather than stuff, so I've been downsizing my life since my divorce. In a few years I want no ties.
Okay, I'm weird. But I blame it on my father and the road trips we took when I was a kid. I was hooked!! I spent the year after high school living abroad. After I hit the US and Canada in my RV I want to go overseas, like that kid in www.wherethehellismatt.com .
Jay
In the past I have done but would never do it again. In my exerience "admirers" may be an easy lay but they are interested in something that is behind me now and not who I am now.
Ann
I always wanted to tour the country by RV. I wanted to write a tour guidebook on Amusement Parks, well maybe I'll get a truck and pull my trailer someday.
Janet
Can you feel the love tonight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvUIoXmIgJA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvUIoXmIgJA)
Let's keep the flirting down to a dull roar, people. Just teasing, I don't mind. Love is definitely in the air these days. ;D
Quote from: Janet Lynn on July 24, 2008, 01:32:31 PM
I always wanted to tour the country by RV. I wanted to write a tour guidebook on Amusement Parks, well maybe I'll get a truck and pull my trailer someday.
Janet
You do roller coasters?? I'm so there!!
Jay
OH YEAH! Baby.
I love coasters. Jansen Beach here in Portland had the world's best wooden coaster, but they had to tear it down.
Some of the new ones I haven't tried, but I would love to. ;D ;)
Janet
Hmm, well, to my surprise, when I first transitioned, I discovered that there were women who made it quite clear they were interested and it was also clear it was BECAUSE I was trans, and that turned me right off. I don't have the slightest desire to be anyone's "experience. "
But that was then and this is now, and people don't know my story. So now, I don't seem to have any problem attracting other Lesbians. The thing is, when things get to the point of real intimacy, I tell them my story. More than once, a woman who was all over me before she knew, cools off in a hurry once she knows. They always say the right things, but then I see them less and less. It hurts.
My last in person gf hadn't known, but was excited by the idea. That was fine with me because we already had a connection. I will confess, though, that her curiosity began to wear on me. It seemed that was all she wanted to talk about, once she knew.
But is the question, would I date an admirer who was TS themselves? An MtF, yes I would, but she would have to seem feminine in her soul to me. And not look like Winston Churchill. I did my time of being snickered at by strangers. I have no wish to go back to that, even vicariously. An FtM, I don't think I could. If i came to care for them, I think I would mourn every lost iota of womanness, so clearly it would never work.
Stealth
Quote from: Drik on July 23, 2008, 10:25:07 AM
I wouldnt mind being with a ts admirer.
Especially not if they were ts (especially FtM) themselves or butch lesbians. :o
Im kind of a ts admirer myself (just like Ive said in the ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- thread) and Im really attracted to masculine women. That being said, I want to add that I *never* see FtMs as masculine women, Im attracted to them because our bodies are the same.
Drik, I've got to debate you on this point. I would have agreed with you in the not-so-distant past, but my body is very unlike that of a woman. Testosterone does amazing things when added to a bio female body. Chest surgery has obviously made a drastic difference as well. The difference between my body and that of my girlfriend was damn near shocking the first time I realized how NOT the same we actually are.
I'm with Mister on this one. My body is feminine now because I have a small waste and A cup boobs, but after T and surgery my small hips and masculine proportions will show up better. T does a lot for people...
Exactly, Elwood.
A vagina does not a woman make.
Quote from: Mister on July 26, 2008, 02:45:27 PM
Exactly, Elwood.
A vagina does not a woman make.
Says Ms. Calpernia Addams... Ah, she's amazing. ;D
I would, most likely because it would make me feel like a goddess.
But I doubt I would marry one.