That's right, I'm curious about transition without the T. Why are you choosing to transition without it? Not talking about being afraid of family approval or finances preventing you or even a medical issue. I'm talking perfectly healthy, financially sound, independent adult who is choosing to forgo testosterone.
Man. I don't know. Everyone I know who doesn't want T has medical reasons for it...
Do we have anyone here 'ransitioning'? I don't think it's actually possible for most guys to transition without T (and by transition, I mean the world sees a man when you walk down the street) unless they want to look and sound like a pre-pubescent boy for eternity. Course, there are always exceptions but most of us aren't going to be able to live without T.
But back to the question -
Reasons I would 'Ransition' if I could:
1) T doesn't make the man.
2) Hairy chests and asses don't make the man.
3) Bass voices don't make the man, etc, etc...
4) Already have a powerful libido and great sex life
Really though, I just don't care about any of that. The only plus with T (other than passing) I see is muscle building ease. Had I gotten all that T has to offer during puberty, I'dve been thrilled but as it stands all that's just going to be an annoyance. A means to an end.
But I may find I actually enjoy the hormone once on it. Stranger things have happened.
I want T not to be seen as a man. I already pass. I just would like to have more masculine features. I'd feel safer in my own skin.
I don't think being hairy of having a deep voice would make me more of a man. But that's how I want to look and feel. I see all of T's effects as a plus.
Quote from: Elwood on September 15, 2008, 10:33:38 PM
I don't think being hairy of having a deep voice would make me more of a man. But that's how I want to look and feel. I see all of T's effects as a plus.
My thoughts exactly.
Quote from: Elwood on September 15, 2008, 10:33:38 PM
I want T not to be seen as a man. I already pass. I just would like to have more masculine features. I'd feel safer in my own skin.
I don't think being hairy of having a deep voice would make me more of a man. But that's how I want to look and feel. I see all of T's effects as a plus.
That's good then. Guess we're on opposite ends. I just care about passing. I want to keep my smooth skin and all. Prolly be waxing every inch of myself. :laugh:
I'm not stating that T- or the hairy ass- make the man. Never have, never will. Just curious as to how people chose a no-T transition and why they do so, just as I'm curious to those who choose non-op to me. Since testosterone and surgery seemed like the natural way for me to go, I was simply looking for a bit of insight into the other perspective, and hopefully something a bit more comprehensive than "i can be a guy without being a baritone."
Quote from: Mister on September 15, 2008, 11:35:02 PM
I'm not stating that T- or the hairy ass- make the man. Never have, never will. Just curious as to how people chose a no-T transition and why they do so, just as I'm curious to those who choose non-op to me. Since testosterone and surgery seemed like the natural way for me to go, I was simply looking for a bit of insight into the other perspective, and hopefully something a bit more comprehensive than "i can be a guy without being a baritone."
Oh I wasn't implying that you were saying that.
Hopefully if all goes well, I will be able to take T. So, I'm not exactly a no-T transitioner but wish I didn't need the hormone.
I really don't have any better reason for wishing I didn't need it than what I stated. Other than the fact I don't like the idea of being chained to a hormone forever, but then again I'm chained to other meds forever so doesn't really matter.
Quote from: Nero on September 15, 2008, 11:47:19 PM
Quote from: Mister on September 15, 2008, 11:35:02 PM
I'm not stating that T- or the hairy ass- make the man. Never have, never will. Just curious as to how people chose a no-T transition and why they do so, just as I'm curious to those who choose non-op to me. Since testosterone and surgery seemed like the natural way for me to go, I was simply looking for a bit of insight into the other perspective, and hopefully something a bit more comprehensive than "i can be a guy without being a baritone."
Oh I wasn't implying that you were saying that.
Hopefully if all goes well, I will be able to take T. So, I'm not exactly a no-T transitioner but wish I didn't need the hormone.
I really don't have any better reason for wishing I didn't need it than what I stated. Other than the fact I don't like the idea of being chained to a hormone forever, but then again I'm chained to other meds forever so doesn't really matter.
You're chained to one forever whichever road you choose, Nero. :P
lol guess you're right. and i am sick of the estrogen. :laugh:
Again I'm going to have to say I'm one of those people who has no idea how to answer this. I mean, look at my current avatar. Clearly I want a beard badly >_>
The only thing stopping me right now is:
$$$$
Fear of permanency, can't go back once you've started
Fear of medical reasons -- I hate doctors, I'm scared of needles, I'm scared in general...
If I can get past all those though...? I'd be on T in a heartbeat and have top surgery too. I agree with Nero in the sense that "T doesn't make you a man" because I am a man. Always have been regardless of whether or not I have low or high levels of T pumping through me. I would simply like T to achieve the physical appearance I've always desired, and make the body match the mind.
I will be a man whether or not I go through the entire transition process until the day I die, it's just a vanity issue for me.
I think you guys all need to read OP... I'm not asking why the people who are currently not on T are not on it. I'm asking about those who choose to stay off for their entire transition. They're out there, I've met them. I just haven't met an eloquent one yet. >_<
:sigh:
the thread is directed at those who ARE NOT and DO NOT EVER PLAN TO be on testosterone. in this thread, i don't particularly care why you chose to go on testosterone- that's been asked and answered.
Quote from: Mister on September 16, 2008, 04:16:17 AM
:sigh:
the thread is directed at those who ARE NOT and DO NOT EVER PLAN TO be on testosterone. in this thread, i don't particularly care why you chose to go on testosterone- that's been asked and answered.
Number 1, calm down dude, take a chill pill.
Number 2, good luck finding them, I haven't seen any of those transmen around here.
I'm perfectly calm, it just gets rather obnoxious when people clearly do not read the topic.
seth corbin on youtube is a non hormone transdude. and meiko xavier only took T for a little while then decided to stop.
I do believe I read and understood the topic.
Quote from: Elwood on September 16, 2008, 01:35:13 PM
I do believe I read and understood the topic.
You did, Elwood. Not a blanket comment.
Quote from: Chet on September 16, 2008, 11:56:39 AM
seth corbin on youtube is a non hormone transdude. and meiko xavier only took T for a little while then decided to stop.
Yeah seth does it...but he already passes/has a deep voice :-\ and has his own reasons. I've seen him before, just not on susan's
Heh. I'm not sure if could answer the OP's question or not. I'm not on T, and never will be on T, and it's not for medical reasons or anything, it's a personal decision of sorts, but I'm not sure I can say I'm "transitioning" either.
Quote from: Aidan on September 17, 2008, 06:35:26 PM
Heh. I'm not sure if could answer the OP's question or not. I'm not on T, and never will be on T, and it's not for medical reasons or anything, it's a personal decision of sorts, but I'm not sure I can say I'm "transitioning" either.
Is it your goal to live as male? Why no T?
My goal is to live as much as as male as I possibly can. But I have some limitations, which are also why the no T.
I'm a little shy about discussing it, as I get a lot of misunderstanding and not-so-great reactions, but I have multiple personalities. I share my body with several other people, and thus I cannot make permanent changes to it. Particularly as some of them are females. And since some of us have to be the "wrong" gender for our body in either case, we might as well save the money, and effort, and funky side-effects and just deal with being physically female, is what it boils down to.
I bind, and wear guy's clothes, though I don't pass worth beans, I'm at least androgynous, so I don't have to look like a girl. :P That's as much as I can do, really. We're still arguing over the hair cut. :)
I'd say that your case isn't really personal choice but more medically unable.
don;t think the op can pass w/o a voice or a dudes face though. that was hard x me. now no problem on the fone or face 2 face but w/o T I dunno :-\
Quote from: Chris on September 20, 2008, 02:32:07 AM
don;t think the op can pass w/o a voice or a dudes face though. that was hard x me. now no problem on the fone or face 2 face but w/o T I dunno :-\
OP is on T, has been on T and always wanted to be on T. OP passed 'til he opened his mouth pre-T. OP is curious about those who opt for no-T.
Quote from: Mister on September 20, 2008, 12:44:51 PM
Quote from: Chris on September 20, 2008, 02:32:07 AM
don;t think the op can pass w/o a voice or a dudes face though. that was hard x me. now no problem on the fone or face 2 face but w/o T I dunno :-\
OP is on T, has been on T and always wanted to be on T. OP passed 'til he opened his mouth pre-T. OP is curious about those who opt for no-T.
lol.
well i know no-ho guys are out there. i've met them but just don't see any round these parts. i'd be curious to hear about the guys that can't pass but still decide T isn't for them.
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2008, 12:56:51 PM
lol.
well i know no-ho guys are out there. i've met them but just don't see any round these parts. i'd be curious to hear about the guys that can't pass but still decide T isn't for them.
I've been contacted by a few via PM, probably because they don't want to get slammed 'round these parts.
well i'm on T but i can tell you why i was against it.
It was a spiritual thing. I don't believe in putting anything artificial into my body. If i get sick i let it run its course. No antibiotics. No medications. If i ever got cancer i wouldn't do chemo or radiation.
I was born this way for a reason, maybe i was meant to live life trapped and miserable. That's what i thought.
Quote from: J.T. on September 20, 2008, 05:56:17 PM
well i'm on T but i can tell you why i was against it.
It was a spiritual thing. I don't believe in putting anything artificial into my body. If i get sick i let it run its course. No antibiotics. No medications. If i ever got cancer i wouldn't do chemo or radiation.
I was born this way for a reason, maybe i was meant to live life trapped and miserable. That's what i thought.
So, JT, invasive question--as such, tell me off if you want.
Are you religious? If so, what religion?
Posted on: September 21, 2008, 10:20:07 AM
I originally wanted to be a no-ho because i was scared about health concerns, i don't really want facial hair etc... but i look like a girl and sound like a girl and I Can't Frelling Take It.
nope, not religious at all. Just a weird philosophy mainly having to do with population control.
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I couldn't take it either. But it took me a long time to come around. Best thing i could have done.
Quote from: J.T. on September 23, 2008, 09:03:02 PM
nope, not religious at all. Just a weird philosophy mainly having to do with population control.
"in the water" thing?
eh? in the water?
A lot of people blame "birth control in the water" for certain things. I dunno, I've been doing Info Studies and my brain is melted. ;D
oh no... lol. i've never heard of that one.
i just believe that everything happens for a reason. i believe that trans and gay people are naturally occurring and in response to overpopulation. we are the response to people who feel like they need to reproduce like bunny rabbits. so i don't believe in in-vitro or sperm banks or any of that stuff.
same with cancer and other diseases, a response to overpopulation and the increased lifespan which is mainly due to medical advances. I'm a firm believer in natural selection, survival of the fittest.
Quote from: J.T. on September 23, 2008, 09:25:16 PM
oh no... lol. i've never heard of that one.
i just believe that everything happens for a reason. i believe that trans and gay people are naturally occurring and in response to overpopulation. we are the response to people who feel like they need to reproduce like bunny rabbits. so i don't believe in in-vitro or sperm banks or any of that stuff.
same with cancer and other diseases, a response to overpopulation and the increased lifespan which is mainly due to medical advances. I'm a firm believer in natural selection, survival of the fittest.
That is FASCINATING! Would really like to talk to you more about that, maybe in PM?
sure, no problem. most people think i'm insane
Quote from: J.T. on September 23, 2008, 09:30:01 PM
sure, no problem. most people think i'm insane
Do not worry. You are not crazy. I too share these views and get a lot of crap for it when I tell people about it. My sister always tells me to STFU whenever I go off on that tangent in conversation.
i thought i wanted to go on T for a while, went to a gender specialist and right when she was about to write my letter i decided against it. i don't know if i really fall into the category of transition without T because i'm not really transitioning all the way, but i am getting top surgery and was diagnosed with GID. my reasoning is just that i don't want to blend in with straight society, don't want to date straight women, i don't want male privilege. i'm content in the fact that when people see me now, they can't tell what i am but they just know i'm queer, i like being part of that community. the best way i can describe it is i hate my body but love my identity and don't want to give that up.
That's something a lot of us go through -- not wanting to go from being perceived as queer to being perceived as...well, mainstream. I've been on T for a couple of years, and I've found that there are still ways to be queer/lesbian/genderqueer/whatever while still being perceived as male -- the queer community hasn't rejected me at all.
Quote from: Andrew on September 26, 2008, 11:19:37 AM
That's something a lot of us go through -- not wanting to go from being perceived as queer to being perceived as...well, mainstream.
For me, it's been sort of the opposite, since I'm attracted to men. Living as a female with a male lover, I've always felt that I didn't quite belong in the so-called queer community. I felt like a fake. And that hurt like hell.
Now that I'm reclaiming my true gender, I'm also reclaiming my true sexuality. It's a heady feeling.
All of which is a bit off topic, but I wanted to say it nonetheless.
I don't plan to "ransition," but I might go on T only temporarily. I'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: Arch on September 26, 2008, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on September 26, 2008, 11:19:37 AM
That's something a lot of us go through -- not wanting to go from being perceived as queer to being perceived as...well, mainstream.
For me, it's been sort of the opposite, since I'm attracted to men. Living as a female with a male lover, I've always felt that I didn't quite belong in the so-called queer community. I felt like a fake. And that hurt like hell.
Now that I'm reclaiming my true gender, I'm also reclaiming my true sexuality. It's a heady feeling.
All of which is a bit off topic, but I wanted to say it nonetheless.
I don't plan to "ransition," but I might go on T only temporarily. I'll have to wait and see.
IME a "female" relationship with a male can be JUST as queer. It's More Likely Than You Think!