Can anyone help me decide between Marci Bowers and Christine McGinn? I've narrowed my selection to US only, ruled out Reed (don't like his aesthetics or the fact that his procedure is outpatient), and ruled out Meltzer (pricey, two step, and my GG partner doesn't like his aesthetics despite all the raves to the contrary).
I think Dr. McGinn's posted results are impressive cosmetically, but I'm worried because she's so new to the scene. In contrast, Dr. Bowers has performed over 500 vaginoplasties at this point, and her procedure is one step.
McGinn's pricing is about identical to Bowers when you consider both steps as one. And the fact that her procedure is two steps doesn't bother me because she's local to me.
I noticed McGinn's background is general and cosmetic surgery whereas Bowers started as an OB-GYN.
I searched the board for all the references to both surgeons, but it's hard to find information about Dr. Bowers' results from 2006 forward, and I understand she's tweaking her technique all the time.
Can anyone shed light on this for me?
I would prefer Bowers, because she is one of us and she is close.
Janet
Quote from: Janet Lynn on January 14, 2009, 08:48:01 PM
I would prefer Bowers, because she is one of us and she is close.
Janet
By that criteria, McGinn would carry more weight because she's also one of us, and she's closer to me than Bowers.
If you've narrowed it down to only these two, I say go for the one with more experience. I'm sure that McGinn is a fine doctor, but I personally wouldn't want to be among anyone's first patients.
Lia
That is a big criteria. But based on the closeness, I would be using Dr. Tuan Nguyen, he is only 30 miles or so away. He studied under Meltzer and does the two step too. But the price is only $18,000. And no overnight stays or expensive travel.
It really comes down to how much is it going to cost, in total, and who's work looks good to you. We are the ones who have to live with the results.
Janet
Dr. McGinn is a very compassionate women - she performed my operations and I see her on a regular basis. Part of her residency was conducted with Dr. Bowers (pretty sure). She is very in tune with the needs of the transgender population, however can be specific when it comes to accepting patients. She expects all of her bottom surgery patients to have a good support system and be in good mental/physical health. She is one of those people that maintains a high interest in learning all she can about transgender health.
I had a complication during my operation - we think it was caused by too much testosterone running around. In any case, I had an emergency operation the next morning. Dr. McGinn was at the hospital very very early in the morning checking up on me before on I went into surgery.
My body has issues with scarring, so she is seeing me on a regular basis. I live pretty close. I trust her with my life.
You can read more about my experiences on my blog (should be a link in the signature).
I'm a McGinn Girl too. Dr. McGinn did train under Dr.Bowers amoung others and also worked with Dr. Bowers to develope a better procedure. They still consult each other too. (Dr. Bowers came in with Dr. Mcginn, on my 2nd day after surgery. (Now that was cool) The surgery Dr. McGinn does is just about the same as what Dr. bowers does. I don't plan on getting the second stage as the results are pretty good as it is. I also had BA done, that that turned out Great too.
You have to follow your heart, But you'll not go wrong with either surgeon. I would go to Dr. McGinn again. She's very good, Two thumbs up!!!
Beni
I too am a McGinn girl. Her fifth one at that. And I had extensive conversations with her first patient, the lovely "First Lady of Doylestown, both before and after my surgery.
She had worked with Dr Bowers on at least 35 trans patients in her residency with her prior to that. She is a skilled cosmetic and general surgeon as you mentioned. She was a flight surgeon for the Navy prior to her transition.
Like Dr Bowers, Dr McGinn is also a trans woman. And both are passionately involved with trans issues.
I went with Dr McGinn precisely because of her newness. I do not think that her fewer patients at all impinge on her skills as a surgeon. Had I gone to see Dr Bowers, I would have been one more of her long list of people that she had worked with. I hesitate to use any term that would make Dr Bowers sound like she doesn't care or gives any less care to the 8th, 80th, or 800th patient, I am convinced that that isn't so.
With Dr. McGinn I had an opportunity to speak with her directly and at length where I may not have had quite that opportunity with Dr. Bowers.
Also, the hospital you will stay is is DSI of Bucks County in Bensalem PA. DSI is a private, limited bed facility dedicated to woman's issues and is run more like a five star hotel. The food is absolutely top notch! The services are very personalized and the staff are wonderful! If you go there, please say hello to them from me!
As you mentioned, she is local to you so perhaps you could return home for your post surgical recovery. That will save time and money.
I did not opt to have the follow up labiaplasty. Cosmetically, I feel quite comfortable with the results.
If you have any specific questions feel free to post them or contact me via PM.
-Sandy(Proud Girl Number 5!)
My surgery is scheduled for May 19 2009 with Dr. Marci Bowers. I'm very impressed with her. I find her admirable; she comes across as ethical and also as a humanitarian. She always comes across as truly caring for her patients, and when I talked to her on the phone-- not once did I feel as though she was just looking to make money (and I most certainly have run into surgeons who have). She has met my medical standards: years of experience, clean background check, board certified, gynecologist, and (heaven forbid this ever becomes an issue!!!) she has malpractice insurance.
I've got a few close friends that have gone to her as well & I've seen her work first hand. It's quite remarkable what an experienced surgeon like Marci Bowers can accomplish by reshaping male genitalia.
From what I have seen, you will be quite happy with either. Please correct me, Sandy.... Didn't Dr. Bowers refer you to Dr. McGuinn?
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I don't know if Dr. Bowers referred Sandy, but I have two friends whom she did refer to Dr. McGinn. Apparently Dr. Bowers feels that Dr. McGinn is "up to snuff."
Nichole
Quote from: Kristi on January 15, 2009, 09:52:50 AM
From what I have seen, you will be quite happy with either. Please correct me, Sandy.... Didn't Dr. Bowers refer you to Dr. McGuinn?
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What actually occurred was when I made the original inquiry, I was informed that Dr Bowers backlog was such that it could possibly be over 12 months before I could have my surgery. While there were usually cancellations that shortened that time, that was the current calendar. When I balked at the time delay, I was told that Dr. McGinn was accepting patients as well.
At that time Dr. McGinn had just "hung up her shingle" and was accepting patients and scheduling operations within weeks instead of months. Had I been in a real hurry I could have had my surgery in December of 2007, what a Christmas present that would have been. I would have changed my name to Noel...
I believe that is still going on and that Dr. Bowers is referring to Dr. McGinn for those who would like a more flexible schedule. Though I think Dr McGinn is starting to get a bit of a backlog now as well.
That was one more reason why I felt comfortable going with Dr McGinn. If she had not had a recommendation like that, I doubt I would have been as willing to go with her until she had more of a public track record.
-Sandy
Thanks so much for the information everyone! I'm going to schedule a consultation with Dr. McGinn before I decide.
I'm a Bowers' girl. Had GRS in 2005. Taking into consideration my history (born intersex, assigned male at birth) I'm very pleased with what she's been able to achieve for me. Aesthetically my results are phenomenal. Never had a complication. None! She answers all her calls and emails. May take a few days but she responds. It wouldn't hurt for you to drop her a line.
What a lovely thread! I've met both of these Dr's, and I was debating the same question in my head after the last SCC, in that, I wondered which one I was leaning closer towards. (Brassard is still in consideration too).
My thoughts then, closely coincide with those already expressed on this thread, but these are the thoughts of someone that really didn't know much about either of the doctors, or SRS for that matter going into the 2008 SCC conference. I attended Dr Bower's lecture, and met with Dr. McGinn privately, and these are postings from my impressions of the two Dr's at that point:
1. I got the distinct impression that Dr Bowers is extremely busy, and I had a bad taste, thinking of "take a number please". From some women I talked to she's operating like 4 days a week, (not confirmed). I guess this raises my concern about getting revisions and attentive individually tailored care if needed.
2. I also got the impression that Dr Bower does extremely good work. That is impressive, and despite point #1, keeps her at the top of the list.
3. Dr McGinn impressed me in our consultation. A) I didn't know she was a trans woman until she told me. B) She is very confident, and super intelligent. Her confidence, despite her relatively "green" status as a SRS (and FFS) surgeon are inspiring enough to believe she would do a good job with the surgery(s). I had already booked FFS with another surgeon, but I talked to her about this, and was surprised that she did facial cosmetic surgery as well. I was tempted to talk more to her about FFS, but I had already agonized over the decision of which FFS surgeon for the better part of 10 months, and just couldn't go back to that state of mind.
4. Dr McGinn was honest with me about her relatively new status as a surgeon, but she's had all of the years of residence training, and her own practice now for 2 years. I would guess by the time I'm ready to go, she will have quite a few more surgery's under her belt, so that makes me a bit more solid towards considering her. I need to go back to my notes, but I thought she did a single stage surgery, maybe she's added the labiaplasty to a single stage technique recently? Don't quote me on that, I'll check my notes from SCC tonight. If she still requires two operations to get to the labiaplasty, that makes it a hard call for going with her.
Sooo, with that said, I'm still out on the fence, not needing to make a decision for a few more months. (I may see who is at Be-ALL) to try to catch them there. I may take a trip to PA too, for a longer consult with Dr McGinn.
Ohh (off topic surgeon), Brassard canceled on my consultation with him at SCC at the last minute, *sticks tongue out at him*. Although my health centre here in TO may be authorized to send their patients to Brassard under public funding soon, so that will definitely push him up the list *giggles*.
Good luck in your decision making! Post back your choice, if you care to!
*huggs*,
Melan
I'm French but I had my GRS surgery on October 21 2008 with Marci. I have nothing but praise for Marci, her staff, and the staff at MSRH. I've truly been blessed by not only being a patient of Marci's, but I feel like I can call all of them "my friends".
Overall My Trinidad experience was beyond incredible. Everybody was so unbelievably helpful, from Marci to the MSRH staff to every employee at the drugstore & the restaurants in town, I'd never have the right words to thank Marci & her staff for doing what they do for so many people there. I had to pick up my jaw from the floor several times after realising why there were so many peeps looking for Marci. GRS patients come & go everyday, morning & night. I'd never before had an experience with a surgical procedure that left me a little sad to see it end. I'd travel across the world all over again to put myself in Marci's hands. I know there are some European gals on this site that travelled to the States to have their GRS with Marci too. Maybe they haven't read this topic yet or don't care to post.
Quote from: Leslie on January 15, 2009, 04:06:59 AM
My surgery is scheduled for May 19 2009 with Dr. Marci Bowers. I'm very impressed with her. I find her admirable; she comes across as ethical and also as a humanitarian. She always comes across as truly caring for her patients, and when I talked to her on the phone-- not once did I feel as though she was just looking to make money (and I most certainly have run into surgeons who have). She has met my medical standards: years of experience, clean background check, board certified, gynecologist, and (heaven forbid this ever becomes an issue!!!) she has malpractice insurance.
I've got a few close friends that have gone to her as well & I've seen her work first hand. It's quite remarkable what an experienced surgeon like Marci Bowers can accomplish by reshaping male genitalia.
Sorry for off-topic, but Leslie, that ticker thing is really neat in your signature.. if you see one magically appear in my sig, I stole (ok, borrowed!) the idea from you!!! Lol...
Best wishes for your surgery, happy and fast healing! *huggs*
Thank You,
Melan
dr. bowers was my surgeon. i chose her because i used to live in colorado at that time. having been trained by the eminent dr. biber, she brings extensive expertise to her s.a.s patients. i also wanted the one-stage procedure. less risks and all that jazz.
Quote from: Yvonne on January 15, 2009, 10:40:12 PM
Never had a complication. None!
same here.
Hands down...if I was going to have this surgery again, I would use Dr. Christine McGinn. While The First Lady of Doylestown has been referenced in a previous reply, I am the 2nd Lady of Doylestown. Actually Christine's 3rd surgery. I believe her 2nd surgery was actually perormed in Bensalem. At any rate, I feel that Christine's expertise exceeds, in a lot of cases, Marci's. And in my case, only about a 5 hour drive, which has been very convenient for the several follow-up visits I have had. While she is very professional, she is equally caring and understanding. If any specific questions require further answers, please let me know. My GCS (Gender Confirming Surgery) took place in August, 2007.
Take care everyone,
Danielle
I'm glad this topic came up because I also have been trying to decide who to go with. This decision will also include moving to be closer nearby and it is very important to hear about results and costs
Quote from: DanielleP on January 20, 2009, 08:34:18 PM
Hands down...if I was going to have this surgery again, I would use Dr. Christine McGinn. While The First Lady of Doylestown has been referenced in a previous reply, I am the 2nd Lady of Doylestown. Actually Christine's 3rd surgery. I believe her 2nd surgery was actually perormed in Bensalem. At any rate, I feel that Christine's expertise exceeds, in a lot of cases, Marci's. And in my case, only about a 5 hour drive, which has been very convenient for the several follow-up visits I have had. While she is very professional, she is equally caring and understanding. If any specific questions require further answers, please let me know. My GCS (Gender Confirming Surgery) took place in August, 2007.
Take care everyone,
Danielle
Danielle!
It's great to hear from you! I had spoken to Theresa quite a bit before my surgery, but I did not have a chance to talk to you.
If I knew you were out there I would have contacted you. I am the good doctor's fifth GCS patient. And everything you said is true. She has a passion that I have not seen elsewhere. She wants to help trans people. She says that she has the best job in the world.
I have no regrets having my surgery performed by her.
-Sandy
BTW: Why don't you post about your experience with your surgery?
A couple more comments subsequent to my last posting. First of all is to Sandy. Hey girl, if you are the Sandy from the area of the Windy city, we have talked and I actually visited with you following your surgery at DSI. If it's you, think back....my wife also was there.
I really think the differences between these two excellent surgeons pretty much boils down to this.
Which is nearer to you for possible followups. The need for this, will, in all likelihood be needed. A member of my support group had the surgery since Teresa's and mine. Her's was with Marci. And she had excellent results....for a while, but then complications arose. She sent pictures, etc. to Marci, got recommendations of things to try with her local GYN, but ended up by visiting Dr. McGinn to address her problem. Much cheaper and convenient for her to drive the 6 hrs or so than to fly to Trinidad, I guess. Dr. McGinn pretty much redid the surgery to correct the problem. Of course, Dr. McGinn charged for this, Dr. Bowers might not have, but this girl felt that Dr. McGinn was highly qualified based on Teresa's and my recommendations, I presume. At any rate, this being major, major surgery, it's always a good policy to be able to have follow-up, if needed. In my case, living on the East coast, I was very reluctant to visit Colorado or Arizona. I first met Christine in Philadelphia at a TG conference in April, 2007. This was before she actually finished her plastic surgery residency. We probably met three or four times over that weekend along with her partner, Lisa, who at that time was performing the electrolysis for the surgery. After my first visit with her, I had decided she was to be my surgeon. Teresa was with me at the time. She wasn't necessarily planning to meet with Christine. Teresa was very sceptical about going with a new surgeon. But after Teresa met with Christine, she was also convinced. Since Teresa had been living as a woman some 15 years, she was able to arrange to be Christine's first. I would have simply loved to have that distinction, but I had just started the Real Life Test 1/1/2007. So my therapist was comfortable with my August, 2007 date, but wasn't prepared to allow my surgery earlier. We first three McGinn women know we were the ginny pigs, so to speak. But all has turned out fantastically.
One of the other things that convinced me was that Christine is a general surgeon and a plastic surgeon. Marci is a GYN. Of course, Marci is vastly qualified to do this surgery, but still, having someone familiar with all aspects of surgery appealed to me.
As has been mentioned in an earlier post, Marci is very busy, with several surgeries a week. While Dr. McGinn is getting more and more business, I believe she still allows more time and energy to each individual surgery.
I don't know that age would be a factor at this point, but Dr. McGinn is much younger. At any rate, this is a long surgery, especially if you add Breast Augmentation, as some of us do, stamina is very important.
This item I'm not sure of, but how easy is Trinidad to get to, versus Philly. On the surface, it seems, Philly would be much easier, regardless of your location, unless you are close enough to drive to Trinidad, or Scottsdale(I believe that's where Meltzer is).
Well, anyway, these are just a few more of my thoughts. Personally, I'm just so happy with my surgery that after 17 months, I still find myself crying with joy at finally being me. While I don't imagine Dr. McGinn does any surgeries in Doylestown anymore, but if you can, if you have the surgery with Dr. McGinn at DSI in Bensalem, it would definitely be worth the drive north to upper Bucks county and visit the Doylestown area. I certainly consider that my new birthplace.
Hug to all,
Dani
Quote from: DanielleP on January 21, 2009, 03:48:05 PM
First of all is to Sandy. Hey girl, if you are the Sandy from the area of the Windy city, we have talked and I actually visited with you following your surgery at DSI. If it's you, think back....my wife also was there.
Hug to all,
Dani
Dani!
Yes, I am and you are! Not only that you may remember the 3+ hour phone call we had when I first called Theresa. Some of my time being laid up I do admit I am a bit fuzzy on (I *love* morphine), but I do remember you and your wife. We had a wonderful time.
Also I think the only way to get to Trinidad quickly is to live there! Isn't it like a three hour drive from Denver? If true, then Philly is definitely closer! My ride from the airport to Doylestown was about an hour if I recall.
The hospital in Bensalem (DSI of Bucks County) is more like a 5 star hotel rather than a hospital. It is really upscale. Both in conveniences and staff. All top-notch. Dani is right though, Doylestown is a wonderful place to visit. Theresa was my tour guide while I was there.
And I too am a cheerleader for Dr. McGinn. She has a passion for doing this work that really appealed to me. And yes, while I have had my name and gender changed on my birth certificate it should also say 3/13/08 in Bensalem PA!
-Sandy
At the time of Sandy's surgery, Dr. McGinn's office was in Doylestown, her surgery was at DSI in Bensalem, PA. Now Dr. McGinn's office is at the same location as the surgery, DSI. So that makes travel even simplier.
Dani
Hi everyone, I'm Marie.
It's interesting that I came across this thread. I'm in the process of deciding between Bowers and McGinn right now. It's a difficult choice for me. I have my letters and insurance pre approved me for surgery. In terms of quality, it's a toss up. They both have very good reputations. So it's just a question of where to go. So far, the breakdown looks like this:
McGinn advantages
She can do my surgery as soon as April
It's easier to get to Philadelphia than Trinidad.
A very good private hospital
I have friends that live in the Philly area
I can get family to travel and stay with me
McGinn disadvantages
Relatively new surgeon
No recovery house
Expensive hotel rooms (approx. $180/night)
No real community
I have to pay the full cost of surgery and hospitalization up front
Bowers advantages
More experience
Recovery house is available for $85/night
A trans community
I only have to pay for Dr. Bowers's surgery expenses up front. Hospital expenses will be billed directly to insurance
Bowers disadvantages
Difficult to get to
No friends in the area
Family likely would not be able to travel with me
Not scheduled for surgery until September, 2009. I am on the short list for earlier openings though.
So you can see why I'm torn about this all.
Hi Marie,
Your pros/cons between the two are pretty much right on. However, I certainly would not hold Dr. McGinn's newness against her. Marci, of course has been doing the procedures much longer, but as Christine has said...I have much more experience on my first patients than Marci had on her first patients. And Christine studied under Marci.
And on the lodging, I think you can do better than $180/night, maybe closer to $100. When she did my surgery in Doylestown, I actually paid $65-$70/night. But sadly to say, Doylestown is not an option any longer. And, in the past, with your surgery at DSI, I believe one person can actually stay overnight in you hospital room with you. The rooms are very large and spacious, with a full-size sofa, I believe.
Good luck...I know you can hardly wait!!
Dani
Are there any pictures of McGinn's work floating around? One disadvantage for me (between her and Brassard) is the lack of 'proof'. I'm not an expert or anything but pictures of Marci's work looked wrong to me (plz don't kill me).
Quote from: aubrey on February 02, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
Are there any pictures of McGinn's work floating around? One disadvantage for me (between her and Brassard) is the lack of 'proof'. I'm not an expert or anything but pictures of Marci's work looked wrong to me (plz don't kill me).
Check out her website:
http://drchristinemcginn.com/ (http://drchristinemcginn.com/) Look in the section for the surgeries. Note: They are NOT worksafe and quite explicit.
I'm not sure what you mean by "wrong"
*mine looks fine*. But if you have specific questions I'm sure the surgeons can address them.
Mine looks fine as well....both top and bottom, and I only did the one-stage. Although some subsequent fine tuning, at no charge, resulted in a mini-labiaplasty, of sorts. The vaginal vestible ended up being a little longer. More of a straight shot into my vagina.
Dani
Quote from: Sandy on February 02, 2009, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: aubrey on February 02, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
Are there any pictures of McGinn's work floating around? One disadvantage for me (between her and Brassard) is the lack of 'proof'. I'm not an expert or anything but pictures of Marci's work looked wrong to me (plz don't kill me).
Check out her website:
http://drchristinemcginn.com/ (http://drchristinemcginn.com/) Look in the section for the surgeries. Note: They are NOT worksafe and quite explicit.
I'm not sure what you mean by "wrong" *mine looks fine*. But if you have specific questions I'm sure the surgeons can address them.
What I meant by wrong is that I just didn't like the way they looked (Marci's work). I hope that they were the exception, but there was a consistency to each one that makes me think not. Thnx for the link hon. Though very good McGinn's work doesn't appear consistent or natural to me, overall. I hope it's a picture vs. reality thing.
Quote from: aubrey on February 02, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
I'm not an expert or anything but pictures of Marci's work looked wrong to me (plz don't kill me).
what's "wrong" with them? ??? inquiring minds want to know.
http://www.marcibowers.com/grs/srsoutcomes.html (http://www.marcibowers.com/grs/srsoutcomes.html)
When I met Dr. Bowers in April of last year, she commented on her photos on her website. They are very old, and her technique has changed and improved several times since then. She just hasn't gotten the photos updated. I know several girls that went to Dr. Bowers recently, and have seen the results personally. I am beyond impressed with how genuine they appear.
It's official. I just paid my deposit and secured my date.
I'm having GRS with Dr. McGinn on April 7.
I am one happy camper right now.
Quote from: MMarieN on February 03, 2009, 01:59:02 PM
It's official. I just paid my deposit and secured my date.
I'm having GRS with Dr. McGinn on April 7.
I am one happy camper right now.
Congratulations Marie!
The date will be here before you know it! Keep us posted on your progress.
-Sandy
Congratulations Marie! I can't even imagine how excited you must be. Wishing you the best and a speedy recovery!!
I have had my therapy, though I will go back to my therapist again. She was prepared to provide me with my letter, however, I allowed family concerns to take precedent. I can't do that any longer. It's been a few years and I haven't started rlt or hormones. I need to get back on track. Anyway, I've already started my financial planning. My present job, if I do it another year will work things out. I've seen that the focus regarding surgeons has been pretty much limited to two doctors. I'm interested in finding a surgeon as well so that I can get a reasonable cost estimate.
Are there other equally good or better surgeons? I know there are plenty of resources regarding this, but I really prefer getting information from the women who have "been there and done that".
I'd truly appreciate anyone's input on this. The responses here regarding the two surgeons are very positive and I have checked their websites. Thank you.
Also, does anybody know anything about Dr. Suporn in Thailand? Again, thanks.
Quote from: MMarieN on February 03, 2009, 01:59:02 PM
It's official. I just paid my deposit and secured my date.
I'm having GRS with Dr. McGinn on April 7.
I am one happy camper right now.
Best wishes for a happy and successful surgery Marie! If you care to post back your experiences with Dr McGinn, I'm guessing that there are many of "us" (ie, future SRS patients, looking at Dr. McGinn) in the audience interested in hearing about it.
*huggs*,
Melan
Congrats Marie, It seems like a long way away at the moment, but the time passes Quickly. Then one evening you'll be doing the Bowel prep shuffle and Going YES Tomorrows the day. Oddly enough when the big day arives the first hour flys by, a quick meeting with the good doctor, sign a few forms at DSI, Head back to the prep area, to change into the lovely hospital gown and chat with the nurses. Then your wheeled into the OR, where then the lights go out in less then 5 minutes. Then no time passes and as the haze starts to lift, you wonder where you are. Then the nurse will say where does it hurt. Or to me anyway. For me my left leg was killing me where it sat in the sturrup so long, it far exceeded the discomfort of the SRS site (more a bloated/ stuffed feeling there).
Of course you have other milestones after that. Just standing beside the bed was fun the first time. Then the removal of the folley and the first dilation where Dr. Mcginn will show you the new equipment. Mind you it will look sort of like the bride of frankenstine, only not so nice. But it does heal and start to look better as the swelling goes down. Give it a week or two and it starts to lookMUCH better. I found the scaring to be minimal and far less then I expected from some of the photos on other sites.
Enjoy the wait, and good luck
Beni
For the record, it looks like Dr. McGinn is no longer using DSI. Her office staff told me that DSI was bought out by a Catholic hospital group and is forcing Dr. McGinn to move to a different hospital. I'm booked for Lower Bucks Hospital.
I consulted with Dr. McGinn. How impressed was I? My surgery is scheduled for August.
She spent nearly two hours with me and my partner and I trusted her the moment we sat down. She is smart, funny, and down to earth. Also, she took one look at me and correctly guessed I'd had my gall bladder removed and diagnosed my mild anemia from the color of my eye sclera. I thought that was impressive. And a long time ago in a galaxy far far away she flew Cobra helicopters so you know she has good hands.
Really, I can't say enough good things about her. She took so much time with us and explained things in such detail that I felt guilty for monopolizing her schedule. She was so friendly and so real that I felt I'd known her for years. Lisa in the office was wonderful too. My partner and I drove home positively glowing.
Great topic, thanks everyone for the information.
Maya
Hello everyone. I have also been weighing my choices and have gotten feedback from both Dr. Christine & Dr. Marci's office. I just received a quote for Dr. Marci's 2009 price as $23,000. They think that it will remain the same for 2010, and are currently 12 months out. This thread has been very enlightening, and I hope to make my decision soon.
Arlene
I was initially trying to decide between Bowers and McGinn as well. I originally set a date with Bowers, but began to feel some reservations about it. Her celebrity status actually bothered me, as well as pricing. I am fortunate to have insurance coverage, but her price was above the limits, and since I am planning BA as well, it was stretching the budget for the time frame alloted.
Anyway, a friend had her surgery with McGinn, and was flying up for a follow-up appointment. I set an appointment for a consult the same day, and we traveled to PA together. I was extremely impressed with McGinn, so much so I scheduled on the spot. I was even able to move the date up when some scheduling changes of mine allowed me to. Now it's just 74 days away, but who's counting. :)
Price was an option, but I was also very impressed with her bed side manner, just much more down to earth in my opinion. I know a few people who went to her, and they were all very happy with the results. The fact that McGinn did train with Bowers put me at ease. Not to mention it just felt like the right choice, I always trust my instinct.
Kat
I had my Gender Confirming surgery and BA with Dr. McGinn, (on Jan. 11) and am extremely pleased with the results. Her aftercare is also wonderful. She spends a lot of time with each of her patients. I can't say enough about her.
Quote from: ArleneTgirl on February 26, 2010, 08:35:22 AM
I had my Gender Confirming surgery and BA with Dr. McGinn, (on Jan. 11) and am extremely pleased with the results. Her aftercare is also wonderful. She spends a lot of time with each of her patients. I can't say enough about her.
Do you think that we'll let you get away with just that?
Details, girl, details!!!
And pictures!
I see from your avatar that you appear to have a supportive family there, I hope all has been good during your transition.
I had my GCS from the good doctor Christine in March of 2008 and it was wonderful!
-Sandy
Quote from: Sandy on February 26, 2010, 09:05:04 AM
Do you think that we'll let you get away with just that?
Details, girl, details!!!
And pictures!
I see from your avatar that you appear to have a supportive family there, I hope all has been good during your transition.
I had my GCS from the good doctor Christine in March of 2008 and it was wonderful!
-Sandy
lol, sorry Sandy......I have a very supportive family, and my wonderful wife of almost 39 years has continued to be my BFF.
Although we are no longer sexually compatible, we are just connected in every other way, and just experienced the birth of our third grandchild.
I am a business owner and feel it's my duty to be active in the Trans community in the Detroit, Mi. area. I co-facilitate a weekly support group and continue to strive politically and socially for transgender rights. I am also on thr local boards of Transgender Detroit and PFLAG.
But, enough about me....I just can't say enough about Dr. McGinn, and will be happy to answer any specific questions.
Quote from: kirakero on January 14, 2009, 09:42:53 PM
Dr. McGinn is a very compassionate women - she performed my operations and I see her on a regular basis. Part of her residency was conducted with Dr. Bowers (pretty sure). She is very in tune with the needs of the transgender population, however can be specific when it comes to accepting patients. She expects all of her bottom surgery patients to have a good support system and be in good mental/physical health. She is one of those people that maintains a high interest in learning all she can about transgender health.
I had a complication during my operation - we think it was caused by too much testosterone running around. In any case, I had an emergency operation the next morning. Dr. McGinn was at the hospital very very early in the morning checking up on me before on I went into surgery.
My body has issues with scarring, so she is seeing me on a regular basis. I live pretty close. I trust her with my life.
You can read more about my experiences on my blog (should be a link in the signature).
I'll admit I was a little disappointed to find out that her link now goes to adultfriendfinder looking for trans.
Arlene, what was your price? Does she still talk about it being two step, or do most of her girls stick with 1? What's the price difference?
Katgirl, what insurance provider do you have?
http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/ (http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/) This link goes directly to her site. She explains one step/two step there, and in person. Her prices are listed, and I believe currently vaginoplasty is $17,500. I have many friends who went to Dr. Bowers and, I am very happy I chose Dr,. McGinn.
Like so many, my insurance doesn't cover any kind of Gender Re-assignment Surgery, but it appears it will be tax deductile under medical expenses.
@Autumn- My insurance is through Aetna, but the benefit is provided by my employer and Aetna just coordinates the benefit. Interestingly, most insurance companies have clinical policy bulletins in regards to GCS, and under what circumstances it is covered if elected by the provider of the benefits. For the most part, companies that provide coverage are larger and self insure, meaning they actually pay for all benefits but use insurance companies to coordinate benefits and handle claims, etc.
@Arlene- The recent tax court ruling finally recognizes trans related health care expenses as medically necessary under the tax code, and, interestingly, uses the WPATH standards as the foundation of their ruling. Right now, the IRS has a 90 period to appeal. If they do not appeal, the ruling stands. So far, I have not heard any news of an appeal. So, if things like GCS and BA are done according to the SOC, then they are deductible medical expenses. Even out of pocket HRT costs. Very promising. Of course I am not a CPA or an attorney, so refer to one for any advice about claiming these.
Kat
Believe me, my accountant is on it. (lol)
I chose Dr. McGinn as well, and the main reason was because of all the wonderful reviews I read from the girls who have used her as their surgeon, reviews both here at Susan's and elsewhere. I have met with her in person and have no doubts I will be in capable hands. She is one very smart woman, and I have no qualms that she will do a first rate job. My surgery is scheduled for June 21 this year and I can't wait!
Quote from: FairyGirl on March 05, 2010, 04:00:48 AM
I chose Dr. McGinn as well, and the main reason was because of all the wonderful reviews I read from the girls who have used her as their surgeon, reviews both here at Susan's and elsewhere. I have met with her in person and have no doubts I will be in capable hands. She is one very smart woman, and I have no qualms that she will do a first rate job. My surgery is scheduled for June 21 this year and I can't wait!
Congratulations and big huggs. I'll anxiously await your post comments.
Wow, I'm glad that I found this thread.... has anyone used Dr. McGinn for BA? I'm going to see her probably in the next 2 months for my initial consult, but will likely be getting BA first, probably right after New Year's....
~Keri
my electrologist says bowers is an ass, the attitude problem was well before her transition (while at university of mn) and stuck around to today, as if she forgot to check male privilege at the door. (her personal life is another matter, but i'm not going there, needless to say it's not blemish free either.)
Quote from: keriB on March 24, 2010, 07:50:50 PM
Wow, I'm glad that I found this thread.... has anyone used Dr. McGinn for BA? I'm going to see her probably in the next 2 months for my initial consult, but will likely be getting BA first, probably right after New Year's....
~Keri
I used Dr. McGinn for the big 2...vaginoplasty and BA. The results of both have been wonderful, partuicularly my breasts. It was nice doing the two together since you have the pain pump to also take care of the breast surgery, which is actually a bit more painful than the vaginoplasty.
Dr. McGinn's aftercare and individual patient attention is second to none, and this includes all the folow up visits which are included in the original cost.
I have heard some not too good things about Dr. Bower's from reputable ppl, but it is hearsay and i dont want to repeat it in an open forum. I went with Dr. Toby Meltzer big mistake.
I've got my consultation with Dr. McGinn in May for chest surgery. Her office has just been so wonderful to me!
I talked to them about a year ago, and they said that they didn't accept insurance. I went over the issue today, and it seems that they have changed their policy on that. Sarah (office manager) said that they will do pre-auth for surgery, but they are not an in-network provider with anyone. So I'd be paying out-of-network rates for treatment and surgery. Which is totally fine with me -- paying 50% is better than 100% right? ;)
For hormones and consult, I'm paying up-front and being reimbursed by insurance. For surgery, I don't know if I will be paying up-front or not. Something to discuss in the consultation. One thing they mentioned RE: insurance was that most companies were willing to pay for hospital and anesthesia costs, but not surgeon's fee. FWIW.
Bowers' office was very cordial to me, but Bowers really isn't the surgeon for me. She doesn't do chest surgery and has a BMI/weight limit for hysto, which is a bummer. McGinn is more flexible on weight for chest surgery, especially if you have been making progress (as I have). Weight is a hard limit for me, since I really can't hide my chest well and still function. So her being willing to work with me is a wonderful thing. =) Her results are also good.
Quote from: FlanHusky on March 24, 2010, 10:08:09 PM...as if she forgot to check male privilege at the door.
I'm sorry, are you saying that she's too "uppity" for a woman? If that's not what you meant, you may want to re-read your post.
Quote from: Griffin on April 02, 2010, 12:51:30 AM
I'm sorry, are you saying that she's too "uppity" for a woman? If that's not what you meant, you may want to re-read your post.
she just has the arrogant bastard gene, not the proud of work type that the majority of surgeons have, but something else.
I didn't get the arrogant "thing" at all. She has been very warm, friendly, and caring, both with me and my friends who have gone to her. She is particularly attentive with her aftercare, something you won't get with Marci. (She is a doctor, which requires "bluntness" and she does know what she's talking about. Perhaps that is what you experienced?)
Well, a sad fact is no one can say they tried more than one surgeon and for that reason they think this surgeon is better than that one.
Now, I may get some tomatoes thrown at me and booed off the soapbox, but it has been my experience that too many of us are prejudiced towards the surgeon who did our work, be it face, bottom, boobs, whatever. It is a rare thing to read any negative accounts of someone's surgery in every trans forum I've been involved with so far. And when it comes to bottom surgery, it is even rarer.
For that reason, discussing the surgical outcome and using that as the barometer for who one will choose as their surgeon is just as effective as throwing darts at a board. The consultation can help so long as one doesn't get "sucked into the dream" but we must still understand every GRS surgeon is part sales person.
Being "one of us" doesn't make a surgeon better. Being the innovator doesn't either. Brassard created the one-step procedure. Bowers studied under him to learn it. I think McGinn still does a two step. But does any of that matter? Is there a "vagina test" we must pass in order to get our vital records changed or be able to walk out into public and say, "I am a woman!" Not to my knowledge.
Fact is, many of us don't really know what a vagina really looks like, let alone feels like. So how can we judge the results of our surgery? We have to dilate for life because our body sees the cavity as a wound. We have to lubricate for dilation or intercourse. What we have is very different than what a natal female vagina is. And we just have to accept that.
As for orgasm, I've heard Bowers say all her patients are orgasmic. I know that's not true and I'll bet she knows that too. Brassard goes the other way - he says orgasm will only happen mentally, not physically. And I know that's not true either.
The truth is, we can only go with certain known facts when deciding who will do our surgery. We know this doctor has performed "X" amount of surgeries and there are "Y" number of reported complications. We know this doctor has good bedside manners. We know this facility has better recovery facilities than that one. We know this price is more than that. Outside of the known facts, everything else boils down to educated guesses and feelings.
Okay - throw your tomatoes.
Quote from: Julie Marie on April 16, 2010, 08:59:39 AM
Okay - throw your tomatoes.
You won't get any from me, Julie. I have exactly the same feeling.
In our journey, we know we only get one shot at this, so most of us, I think, agonize over what to do. We literally bet our lives on our decisions.
So we do our research as best we can, we listen to others stories, good and bad, and make our decision.
Because of this, many of us may be biased as a result of our actions, because *we* don't want to feel like we made a bad choice. So we may be very vocal in our support of one surgeon or another.
And you are right. Of all the accounts of peoples surgeries that I have read here and other places, virtually all of them present glowing accounts of their surgeries. You can almost hear the angelic voices singing their praises. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of stories of people who had bad experiences.
As you said, the plain fact is that you do the best research that you can, but it is still a crapshoot. But chances are very high that you will have a good outcome regardless of who you decide on. There are a very few number of doctors in the world that perform these very specialized procedures, and most of them have been doing it for a very long time. If they didn't do a good job virtually all the time, they would go on to other surgeries and not do SRS again.
-Sandy
Totally agree with Julie and Sandy. I am "obviously" a "McGinn" girl. As for one step vs. two, McGinn addresses that on her website, because, every surgeon in North America (who is reputable) uses the same method.
We can each only speak from personal experience and from people we know who have gone through the same procedures. I am extremely happy with my outcome, and will not "bash" someone I have no experience with. Perception is everything, and everyone's is different.
Quote from: ArleneTgirl on April 16, 2010, 08:26:57 AM
I didn't get the arrogant "thing" at all. She has been very warm, friendly, and caring, both with me and my friends who have gone to her. She is particularly attentive with her aftercare, something you won't get with Marci. (She is a doctor, which requires "bluntness" and she does know what she's talking about. Perhaps that is what you experienced?)
it was in regard to bowers attitudes, not mcginn, and my info was from my electrologist who has the mispleasure of working with the pretransition bowers at university of mn.
I've heard the same thing about Marci and have 3 friends who had their surgery with her. I do highly recommend Dr. McGinn (as you can tell)
Does McGinn do one stage ot two ?
Post Merge: April 16, 2010, 06:56:58 PM
Oh, and do you know the price ?
Quote from: gentle_patience on April 16, 2010, 06:56:08 PM
Does McGinn do one stage ot two ?
Post Merge: April 16, 2010, 06:56:58 PM
Oh, and do you know the price ?
2 stage, and current prices are here http://drchristinemcginn.com/services/srs/ (http://drchristinemcginn.com/services/srs/)
Great !
Thank you
I see that she charges $17,500 for a Vaginoplasty: and Labiaplasty for $4,300
When I had GRS, the exchange rate between US and CDN was very favorable. The 18k Brassard charges translated to a bit over 14K US at that time.
Brassard includes all the recovery costs (it's about 12 days total). That means full time nurses, staff, room, limo and close proximity to the surgical center should you need it.
Plus, if the weather is nice, you can walk across the street and stroll the park by the river. Google map 45.545835,-73.692888, choose satellite view and it will take you to the recovery house and the surgical center. It's pretty cool. From there you can "stroll the grounds". I spent a lot of time in the swings on the patio. You can see it if you go to street view. Lots of warm memories.
BTW, I'm not selling Brassard as a surgeon, for the same reasons I noted earlier. But the "known facts" are pretty compelling.
Good luck Valerie! And tell Anne, Francine, Alain and everyone else the two Julies said HI!