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I am trying to determine if there is some correlation between transgendered people and intelligence. In reading studies about the possible genetic explanations for transgender people, there is some indication that there is a developmental difference in the formation of the brain in the transgendered. There seem to be certain regions in the brain that connect the two hemispheres providing a kind of duality that non-trans people lack.

I have noticed that among the people I have interacted with here, there seems to be a distinct tendency for above average intelligence. I don't know if there is a scientific correlation (or even any studies) bearing out this hypothesis, but I am just curious - it could explain a lot to me. Personally, I am somewhere between 1 & 2 (just short of Mensa).

Comments?

Deanna

I'm really ->-bleeped-<-ing stupid and proud of it. Which, oddly enough, isn't even an option.

Really, your asking for a self-assessment, outside of the real mental midgets like myself, who is not going to overestimate that?  And I mean, really, really, overestimate it?  And the average IQ of people on BBs is high because the real morons are over doing WoW.

Oh yeah, in 10 years teaching at a major university, no one was ever as dumb as the ones who prefixed their conversations with "I'm in MENSA" since such tests - at best - only describe aptitude and not ability, which, as it turns out, are two different things.  All such things test, are the ability to do well on tests.

Or, as the very famous - and also dumb - American Philosopher, Yogi Berra said:
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is

I voted for above average, although the kicker with "above average intelligence" is the notion that it's correlated with a big "IQ" number, (mine is 130) which is kinda dumb considering that one can't place overall intelligence into a number, rather then a description of knowledge that a person may or may not have.

I'd always try to correlate "I'm intelligent" with either a) How much money do you make (cause I know some real idiots - American Idiots even - who make piles of it, or b) How happy are you?  Because what's being smart worth if you can't figure out a simple question like, "Gee, how can I be happy?"

Unless ignorance really is bliss, and genius is really pain.

Nah, its more like trying to tell people how awesomely humble you are, and fantastically modest too.

Quote from: tekla on August 19, 2009, 12:20:08 AM
Nah, its more like trying to tell people how awesomely humble you are, and fantastically modest too.

I'm amazingly gargantuanly non-humble.

I hope that helps.

I know full well that intelligence (IQ, Mensa, etc) has to do with the ability to solve problems (logic/pattern based problems) and has little if anything to do with knowledge, being 'smart', common sense, reason or any of a lot of measuring devices used in our 'enlightened' society.

I am more interested, in this specific case, with general intelligence from an honest perspective. I don't really care about IQ numbers - I don't even know mine, they wouldn't release that info to me (BS). It was just something that I found to be intriguing that there are some apparent similarities between high IQ brain dualities and transgendered brain dualities. I don't know if the dualities are within the same regions of the brain or even if I am remembering papers correctly at this point.

Deanna

I'm honestly not even sure where humility factors in. (I can be quite ignorant in certain ways)

I chose Mensa level. I mean, shoot! Down at the Mensa institution they told me I was certifiable... wait They misspelled Mensa! It's M-E-N-S-A not M-E-N-T-A-L . Those idiots.... :laugh:

And has little if anything to do with knowledge, being 'smart', common sense, reason or any of a lot of measuring devices used in our 'enlightened' society being able to do anything.

TFIFY

Reminds me of a survey by one of the automobile clubs in Australia. Had three choices: are you an average driver, below average or above average? 80% of people were above average :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Cindy

I've been tested to have a high IQ, but often I feel rather dumb.

Everyone has their talents. Maybe it's just part of being human.

I'm not perfect, don't know anyone who is.

Both my creative and analytical hemispheres are active most of the time

Self assessments of intelligence are unreliable at best.
My IQ has been tested, but I don't think that's really reliable either.
None the less, I chose above average.
It's an unreliable opinion.

Quote from: tekla on August 19, 2009, 02:13:55 AM
And has little if anything to do with knowledge, being 'smart', common sense, reason or any of a lot of measuring devices used in our 'enlightened' society being able to do anything.

TFIFY

Tekla, I guess that would have been an easier way to write it - same meaning  :D

Cami, Cindy - LMAO

Virginia - I too have tested high and frequently had people (who supposedly would know such things) call me a genius - to which my response was always an adamant denial of the fact. I knew I was not anywhere near as 'smart' as many of the 'normal' people in my life. Of course that was before I learned that a high IQ has nothing to do with (in Tekla's words) being able to do anything. Once I discovered that it meant I could recognize patterns in what would appear randomness in less 'intelligent' people, I was like, oh, that's kind of useless, so yeah it could be right.

Miniar - I have known a lot of 'geniuses' in my life and reliability is not something they are typically well known for. Especially if you are relying on them to be somewhere, or carry on a conversation, or do anything that normal people would do.

Thank you all for your participation in this thoroughly uselessly unscientific poll that will accomplish little else than some fun conversations. Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.

Deanna

Although I checked 'Average', having never been tested, I think that I am quite intelligent. Or maybe it is just opinionated.  ;D

Most people believe that they are ether above average or extremely intelligent.  But in reality they have no common sense, just relying on their education to be their example of intelligence.  They have no 'street' smarts and can not see that they are just 'book' smart.  I would rather have 'street' smarts than all th ' book' learning it the world.


Janet

Its all so very relative you know.  So many ways of measuring it, charting it, so many different mileposts to assess progress by that I guess you have to start out with something more than just 'intelligence' or even a difference between 'book smarts' and 'street smarts' because I don't even think those things are specific and exact enough.

One example.  Often, and in here frequently, some people are dismissed as 'dumb jocks.'  OK, perhaps.  But on the other hand, have you ever seen an NFL playbook?  They are 3 inch 3 ring binders, sometimes more than one.  You have to know exactly what you are supposed to do, what the guys around you are doing, and what the general plan is for each and every play, and you're not going to get much time to think about it, it has to be perfect instant recall memory or NFL is going to stand for Not For Long.  At the major sports university I worked at I did sideline stats for the football team.  The last few years I was there they ran a modified West Coast Offense.  That offense had over 60 different combinations of passing routes (drove me nuts).  I asked once why they described it as 'modified' and Coach told me, "A real NFL West Coast Offense would have twice the number of passing route combinations."  So, dumb?  Perhaps not in all ways.  Oh sure, its not rocket science, but when you think about it, rocket science only has two combinations, thrust and trajectory - so perhaps its harder than rocket science.

And its easy for people without formal education to denounce it as so much book stuff, but the people I worked with when I was at DoE and DoD had piles of degrees and they were very smart people, and in the case of the military usually very good 'people' persons also.  DoE, well, not so much on the social skills sometimes, but the physics was whip smart. And our DoE National Energy Lab had its own chamber orchestra as just about everyone there played an instrument, and played it well.  And we're not talking about 3 chords on a guitar singing Michael Row the Boat Ashore, we're talking Bach, Mozart, Haydn sheet music stuff.  That and they had all read every science fiction book ever published needless to say.  And two of them - the guys I worked with - had been on a team that had been nominated for a Nobel Prize in Physics, so they did that pretty good too.  However, the Xmas party was an exercise in tedium except when we were playing music or singing, like I said, social skills, not so much.

Actually, most of the people I worked with in grad school and at the university were very smart, and yes, they could do things too.  They had written books, invented stuff and held patents, won awards and prizes and all that.  Yet, a more unhappy group of people in general I never met.  Never could figure out why that was - me being a bear of very little brain and all - that being so smart they never figured out how to be happy.  Yet outside of the hard science types for the most part, they were very social, high functioning, excellent conversationalists as that is a huge part of getting ahead in academic life, that cocktail (now white wine and Bree) party type of socialization.

I work on a regular basis with people who get tagged with the genius label all the time.  Usually means they don't sell records.  Musical Genius doesn't fly off the shelves very often. Bland, mediocre crap like Maria Cary and Keith Urban sells.  So who is the real genius there?  The guy who's invented his own tunings, his own electronics and a style that is totally unique, but has trouble paying the bills, or the mediocre crap that gets you mansions in Los Angeles or Nashville and has you banging Nichole Kidman to boot?

Or the other side of the biz, that not so glamorous part.  Queen called their ex-manager Death on Two Legs famously asking if the fin on his back was part of the deal, Heart called theirs Barracuda, and the Grateful Dead said that their ex-manager could steal your face right off of your head. And these guys, oh they can rob you blind (street smarts) and with such awesome interpersonal skills that they can often leave you breathlessly infatuated that they saw fit to steal from you.  Interestingly enough, they all seem to be very happy also.

Now the main guy I work with, he barely finished high school.  By the age of 20 he had sailed boats from LA to the Med, and owned his own airplane.  When he's not being a theater tech, or doing his construction company (most tech directors for major theaters are C-10 level commercial contractors) he's working on his train.  Not a train set in the basement, but a 1935 vista dome club car that he is in the process of restoring so when he retires he can rent it out and spend his retirement traveling around the country in his private rail car while still generating income. He's the second best welder I've ever seen (IJ is the best, he built most of the Star Wars sets, including the Millennium Falcon - both interior and exterior) awesome carpenter, ace plumber all more or less self taught.  How smart is he?  Oh yeah, he is almost ecstatically happy.

Am I smart because I graduated high school as the salutatorian (second place, valedictorian is first, but hell, that guy studied, I never did) while winning the religion award twice, as well as being named poet laureate. Then went to college being on the honor roll/dean's list every semester and the President's List (4.0) 6 out of 8 semesters and graduating magna cum laude, Phi Betta Kappa?  Or is it because I excelled in grad school getting both my Master's and PhD (total cumulative GPA for all three degrees 3.94) graduating Phi Kappa Phi, while getting laid a lot in the process?

Or is it because my kid is currently in his masters program and has a GPA better than mine - something he never lets me forget?

Or is it because I really love what I do, it never feels like work, and I make a good living at it while pallin' around with famous people, some of whom actually do music that I like?  The best part of the last gig I worked was sitting a few feet away from Tommy Iommi and Geezer Butler (the original guitarist and bass players from Black Sabbath) while they just riffed off each other.  You can't buy that.

Me, I'd like to think I'm smart because I'm very happy with who I am, where I am, and what I'm doing.  What's any of it worth if you're not happy?

This topic reminded me of an article I published in the Mensa Bulletin in 2002.  Too long to post, but I think an excerpt is okay...


Mensans are able to think in a non-binary manner.  One need only look at some of the puzzles we are supposed to toss off over our morning latte to know that we can grasp new and challenging ideas, construct mental tesseracts and map their intersection with three dimensional space, unravel psychological mysteries, and understand the advances of modern medicine.  So I suppose an article that goes beyond the binary man-woman, male-female issues will pose little challenge for our readers.  Agreed?  Well, then, consider the difference between sex and gender.

My driver's license lists "Sex: F."  One from another state might show "Gender: F."  But, while related, 'sex' and 'gender' are not synonymous.  A very simple explanation is that 'gender' is between the ears, while 'sex' is, um, er, well, let's just say it's anatomical.  Gender is a social construct that varies from culture to culture and time to time (man or woman), while sex is a physical aspect of who we are (male or female).  Sex is also an act, as in "people engage in sex." 

It should be relatively easy to understand that 'sex -- the act' is directly related to sexual orientation, while 'sex -- male or female' is who we are.  Or is it? 

"I am female.  You are male.  My child is intersexed."  Now we are beyond binary. Approximately one child in 2000 is born with non-standard sex chromosomes.  Instead of XX (female) or XY (male), intersexed children are born with a missing X chromosome or with an extra X or Y chromosome (e.g., XXY or XYY).  Some are externally indistinguishable from 'standard' male or female children; some have ambiguous genitalia, both male and female genitalia, or two sets of reproductive organs.

What about gender?  Is there just man and woman, an immutable binary system?  To answer that, we must look at three aspects of gender:  Gender identity, gender role, and gender expression.  ...

we can grasp new and challenging ideas, construct mental tesseracts and map their intersection with three dimensional space, unravel psychological mysteries, and understand the advances of modern medicine

Yet somehow fashion eluded most MENSA members, as well as social skills, and the ability to talk a girl or boy into bed.  Which even Mongo knew how to do. I bet the Men of MENSA are the largest consumers of internet porn, and for all I know, they no doubt invented it.

I wonder if anyone has ever done a survey of MENSA and Phi Kappa Phi, Phi Beta Kappa - I bet PKP has more, since its outstanding work in a single subject, while a PBK takes both liberal arts and hard science excellence.  Though I remember a lot of MENSA types as an undergrad, somehow in grad school they disappeared.

Quote from: Robyn on August 19, 2009, 02:08:03 PM
This topic reminded me of an article I published in the Mensa Bulletin in 2002.  Too long to post, but I think an excerpt is okay...

Hi Robyn, is there anywhere online one would be able to read the full article? :)

EDIT: Nevermind, I googled and found it. (Duh, I should'a just done that originally... lol)

hahahaha what a silly poll! has anybody actually voted "below average"?  duh. :laugh:

Quote from: Deanna_Renee on August 19, 2009, 12:05:41 AMI am trying to determine if there is some correlation between transgendered people and intelligence. In reading studies about the possible genetic explanations for transgender people, there is some indication that there is a developmental difference in the formation of the brain in the transgendered. There seem to be certain regions in the brain that connect the two hemispheres providing a kind of duality that non-trans people lack.

Considering that many if not most of us seem to have trouble even figuring out what gender we are, I'd say we're definitely lacking something. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cosgan.de%2Fimages%2Fsmilie%2Fkonfus%2Fa015.gif&hash=2b296c082876e9daa1f99595fdd427c64cef90a4)  As for brain hemispheric connections, I'm a libra, if that helps. :laugh:

I'm one of those mensa range people where it actually does not translate into money, job, status or achievement (though I get enough poontang). Brains are pretty useless if you don't apply them. Fortunately I am happy not to put in the effort.

I did well academicaly, but I don't make the most money or have the best job. I can't spell. I'm chemical happy (SSRI), so maybe I am not so 'smart' in that area either. :) I'm not particulalry driven except when it comes to dungeons and dragons, computer games and playing in my band. But I have a beautiful wife and we have a good relationship and 2 lovely kids and drawer full of nice nickers. I enjoy food and my friends are great. Life is challenging but savory. That to me is my success.

Quote from: Natasha on August 19, 2009, 05:27:27 PM
hahahaha what a silly poll! has anybody actually voted "below average"?  duh. :laugh:

I probably fit in below average

"Mensa range" is (according to the organization) the top two percent.

Do I think I'm smarter in terms of the kind of stuff IQ tests than 49 out of 50 people chosen randomly by social security number? Yeah, probably. I'd put money on that. It's kind of what I'm good at. As far as what they call "metacognitive skills" needed to apply that to anything useful, not so much. Maybe I beat out ten of those 50 on a good day. Funny how those are way more important.

Oh, yeah: selection and self-reporting bias.



*(So says the book of sudoku puzzles that someone gave me published by them.)

Are TS/TG folks "smarter" than the average human? :laugh:

How much of this board or other boards have you read? Surely you can make a judgement based just on that without having people tell you that they are "above average." It's kinda like Lake Woebegone: "all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average."

In fact there's a name for what you're asking about: "The Lake Woebegone Effect." The Lake Wobegon effect designates either: the human tendency to overestimate one's achievements and capabilities in relation to others (in academic sources this is more usually called the above average effect or the better-than-average effect); or the finding that in many educational tests a vast majority of participants achieve results above the norm.

I like that one person voted "none of the above".  :)

Can some one explain the question to me? :D

I guess I'm just an average girl, average body, average looks, fairly well read, not so much written, hold a management position, participate in conversation, can make discussions, able to prioritize, able to solve problems, earn a great salary, pay my bills on time, able to use a cell phone and program my Cable TV recorder/receiver, I drive a car, ride a motorcycle, a horse and have the ability to drive folks crazy, I please my guy, I cook clean and shop, and most of all I'm happy.

So yep I think I'm just an average girl.  :)

-={LR}=-

Quote from: Matilda on August 21, 2009, 03:11:56 PM
That's a great way to put it, Ladyrider :) 

Personally, I feel that proving your "intelligence" should be done in REAL LIFE, with REAL people, at your place of employment, or at your place of study and not on some cyberspace forum where no one knows you or really cares.


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Can't argue with that...  Real life trumps all :)

-=LR=-

Quote from: Matilda on August 21, 2009, 03:11:56 PM
That's a great way to put it, Ladyrider :) 

Personally, I feel that proving your "intelligence" should be done in REAL LIFE, with REAL people, at your place of employment, or at your place of study and not on some cyberspace forum where no one knows you or really cares.


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Or as we say on the internets...

Photographs or it didn't happen.

A University Professor who has an incredibly high IQ might feel a bit dumb and stupid if he ended up in a dark alley with a bunch of crackheads walking up to him. Intelligence is relative.

I'm surrounded by geniuses!  Half the TGs here are in the top 2% for intelligence.  :D

I've spent a lot of time with real geniuses and a vast majority of them don't score well in the common sense department.  And being a genius does not mean you'll be rich.  I personally know some who are earning well below the median income. 

When I was working at a national lab there was a person there who kept the scientists on their schedules.  And, when necessary, reminded them to tie their shoes or comb their hair.  Yes, they were brilliant and the few conversations I had with them confirmed that.  But when it came to every day stuff they had a tough time.  The reason, I was told, is it just didn't matter to them.

Julie

Two of my best friends score in the mensa range... they're hilarious sometimes.. inadvertently I mean.

I don't think it's a matter of not caring so much as, you only have so much brain power.
You can be smart one way, but you have to be stupid in another.  ;D

Let's just say you don't want me alphabetizing your office files. According to the military, I can fix anything but you will never find the paperwork.

I guess what it boils down to is that everyone has their various talents. It's a trade off.

There are some things that I'm able to rather well and some others can't. There are things others can do much better than I could ever imagine.

Maybe it's a what ever flips your switch or floats your boat kinda thing  :laugh:

This may well be an Urban myth.

Albert Einstein was walking home. The family had recently moved and AE was notoriously absent minded. He walked down the street and saw a young boy. "Excuse me do you know which house the Einstein's have moved into?" Young boy replied. "It's OK Dad, I'll take you home"

He He :laugh: :laugh:

Cindy

Quote from: Leslie Ann on August 22, 2009, 01:13:57 AM
I don't think it's a matter of not caring so much as, you only have so much brain power.
You can be smart one way, but you have to be stupid in another.  ;D

Yup, that would be it.

I'm not as bad as my mensa range friend, but I often find myself unable to understand "people", but I understand the psychology behind it.

I'm surrounded by geniuses!  Half the TGs here are in the top 2% for intelligence.

Yeah, you could have knocked me down with a feather when I found that out.

I suspect the results are more a reflection of self-image than reality.

(none of the above for me, btw)

I consider myself an MTF TS but I'm not sure what "mensa" means. I am a computer scientist and enjoy software development as a hobby though.

Think of the money you'll save by not giving it to people who hate you.

Hi Deanna,

As you can see, many of us are way beyond the curve of intelligence. I have seen this type of poll before and the results are the same. Being transgendered and being highly intelligent seem to go hand in hand.

Love

Brenda

Being transgendered _____________ and being highly intelligent seem to go hand in hand.

FIFY

The only people you can trust on intelligence estimates are the ones who say they are dumb.  They might surprise you, but they sure won't disappoint you.

Ha :laugh:
Love this thread. Thanks Deanna.

Not a single person lower than genius, sorry there were a few, simpletons, :-* just hadn't caught up on their quantum mechanics.

Now a theory. We may be able to test it. Volunteers may be needed.

If we take a some closed boxes. equipped to support life, but the life form is unable to communicate in or out.

A number of FtM and MtF are placed in individual boxes. People (a mix of the general public) have to decide the gender of the person in the box at random. Do they exist, are they alive, and what level of intelligence are they? And of course what gender they are.

According to Schrodinger's (?) model doesn't matter you are wrong. According to American Idol you are wrong. According to USA politics you are wrong (I'll explain if need be but your are mourning a pp) . According to this thread you a right. It's got an IQ of greater !$) (keep that in) so it's definitly either male or female. And highly intelligent.

I think I need a holiday

CJ

Quote from: CindyJames on August 31, 2009, 05:40:36 AM

A number of FtM and MtF are placed in individual boxes. People (a mix of the general public) have to decide the gender of the person in the box at random. Do they exist, are they alive, and what level of intelligence are they? And of course what gender they are.

According to Schrodinger's (?) model doesn't matter you are wrong. According to American Idol you are wrong. According to USA politics you are wrong (I'll explain if need be but your are mourning a pp) . According to this thread you a right. It's got an IQ of greater !$) (keep that in) so it's definitly either male or female. And highly intelligent.

or neither or a bit of both or something along those lines.

I think I need a holiday

Me too.

"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."
~ William Shakespeare, "As You Like It", Act 5 scene 1

Quote from: bernii on August 30, 2009, 06:31:03 PM
Hi Deanna,

As you can see, many of us are way beyond the curve of intelligence. I have seen this type of poll before and the results are the same. Being transgendered and being highly intelligent seem to go hand in hand.

Love

Brenda

This kind of poll results the same way pretty much everywhere across demographics.  Most people believe themselves above average in intelligence.  This is healthy psychologically though, as optimism about oneself tends to result in health benefits that those who are more realistic (or negative) about their limitations do not share.

Here, this is funny. IQ by nation, and by state, with a report on who voted for Bush or Kerry.
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id1048.html (http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id1048.html)

I am guessing above average because of the tests I have taken in my lifetime. Intelligence is the ability to think and has nothing to do with knowledge. Many poorly educated people are very intelligent. The ability to think in the abstract is what seperates humans from other lower forms of life. For example
E=mc2 is a very abstract theory but it works.

Quote from: Jerica on August 30, 2009, 06:15:13 PM
I'm not sure what "mensa" means.

it's an organization for people with high IQ's.

In theory MENSA is open to people who's IQ - as measured in standardized tests - is in the top 2% of the nation (which is really limited in fact to the top 2% of people taking such tests).

The name is Latin - which if you were Mensa material, you'd know I guess (or if you're old school Catholic) and it means 'table' in the sense of a round table forum.

Oh dear.  I just reviewed the Poll and it seems I'm in the bottom percentile of the MtF.  Damn what to do, what to do?
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So I thunk it thru and since I'm happy as a clam I think I'm edumacated enuff.  :D

-={LR}=-

Quote from: Ladyrider on August 31, 2009, 11:51:00 AM
Oh dear.  I just reviewed the Poll and it seems I'm in the bottom percentile of the MtF.  Damn what to do, what to do?
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So I thunk it thru and since I'm happy as a clam I think I'm edumacated enuff.  :D

-={LR}=-

You should have picked mensa like I did.  :)

Quote from: tekla on August 31, 2009, 09:36:47 AM
Here, this is funny. IQ by nation, and by state, with a report on who voted for Bush or Kerry.
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id1048.html (http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id1048.html)

Holy crap, yes, funny, but the tortured reasoning based on flimsy data and no demostrated understanding of the distinction between distributions and their averages made my head hurt when I read that. The conclusion that dumb people tended to vote for Bush rather than Kerry (which I tend to believe to be true) is simply not supported (nor contradicted) by the data presented.

I said it was funny, not true - but not as funny as everyone thinking they are above average, that's really funny.

Quote from: Matilda on August 31, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
ROFL ;D 

Hey, now I would like to ask how many of those PhD holders, high IQ and Mensa material "tee-gee people" are ACTUALLY EMPLOYED & earning a 6 figure income (or at least something close to a 6 figure income]?  >:-)


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LOL...  There's a lot to be said for Common Sense, something which many seem to lack these days.

I've adhered to:


-=[LR]=-

Hey, now I would like to ask how many of those PhD holders

Anyone that smart knows there is more to life than money, if you don't believe me, then let me rent you for a few hours.  Yeah, thought so.  So money ain't everything, its not even the most important deal.  Living your life the way you see fit, the way that gives it meaning, the way that means something to you - that's the deal.  Otherwise, why not stand out at corner of Post and Polk and gets 'ya some green.  I hear they don't care much at that particular intersection of life.

Someone much wiser than myself once said, "there is both time and money, choose what you will save."  I always thought you can have one, or the other - but not both.

I could make more, lots more.  Hell, doing the dentist convention at Moscone pays twice what I make at the Fillmore.  However, I'm far less interested in making dentists look like rock stars than I am about making rock stars look like rock stars.  Silly I suppose, but it's my art, and I have the right to decide when and where I use it.  That I would guess is pretty close to what being smart is really about, knowing what you want to do, and finding a way to do it - regardless of the money involved.

And far too many things, mostly involving time, don't require money.  A day out at Ocean Beach, a lazy afternoon on Hippie Hill, smoking a bit, having a beer, listening to the drum circle, and watching the fog roll over Sutro Tower.  Is that really worth a few bucks?

I just figure that the best moments in my life have been 'unbuyable' - not any any price, not by anyone else. 

What exactly is that worth then?

Quote from: tekla on August 31, 2009, 07:53:55 PM
Hey, now I would like to ask how many of those PhD holders

Anyone that smart knows there is more to life than money, if you don't believe me, then let me rent you for a few hours.  Yeah, thought so.  So money ain't everything, its not even the most important deal.  Living your life the way you see fit, the way that gives it meaning, the way that means something to you - that's the deal.  Otherwise, why not stand out at corner of Post and Polk and gets 'ya some green.  I hear they don't care much at that particular intersection of life.

Someone much wiser than myself once said, "there is both time and money, choose what you will save."  I always thought you can have one, or the other - but not both.

I could make more, lots more.  Hell, doing the dentist convention at Moscone pays twice what I make at the Fillmore.  However, I'm far less interested in making dentists look like rock stars than I am about making rock stars look like rock stars.  Silly I suppose, but it's my art, and I have the right to decide when and where I use it.  That I would guess is pretty close to what being smart is really about, knowing what you want to do, and finding a way to do it - regardless of the money involved.

And far too many things, mostly involving time, don't require money.  A day out at Ocean Beach, a lazy afternoon on Hippie Hill, smoking a bit, having a beer, listening to the drum circle, and watching the fog roll over Sutro Tower.  Is that really worth a few bucks?

I just figure that the best moments in my life have been 'unbuyable' - not any any price, not by anyone else. 

What exactly is that worth then?

Simply lovely.

A much better test of intelligence and living than a mensa, or any other sort of, iq quiz or means-test.

Thanks, Kat.

Sad to say Matilda, but life is about more than accessorizing.  Which I'm sure is what you're bank account, your shoes, your IQ, your friends and family, and your BF are in the end.  Just simple accoutrement to your fab life.  Tragic that others live in the world with you, we'd all do better on our own.  Don't you think?

Quote from: tekla on August 31, 2009, 07:53:55 PM
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Anyone that smart knows there is more to life than money,

Hmm... But surely to achieve a PhD (For example) one must expend copious amounts of money and once this lofty title was gained, no doubt through much hard work and sacrifice, one would need to seek gainful employment to help relieve the burden; hence the need to charge for their services, if their PhD enabled them (I'm thinking of the medical fields here.)

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Don't most medical types have a MD, not a PhD?  That guy on the beach, trying to catch the last perfect wave of the day, that's the PhD in Philosophy I would think.  That person who knows what is really important.  Money is easy, perfect waves, or the perfect morning in Tahoe, the fresh snow sparking like diamonds on the mountains - that stuff is much harder to come by, and hence, to be valued more.

If you think you are smart - and face it, there are people who have made millions of dollars who are not near as smart as you are - then money is something that is always there, perfect virgin runs down KT22, only a few a year.  Everyone has to choose.  Money is infinite, your life is not. 

Quote from: tekla on August 31, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
Don't most medical types have a MD, not a PhD?  That guy on the beach, trying to catch the last perfect wave of the day, that's the PhD in Philosophy I would think.  That person who knows what is really important.  Money is easy, perfect waves, or the perfect morning in Tahoe, the fresh snow sparking like diamonds on the mountains - that stuff is much harder to come by, and hence, to be valued more.

If you think you are smart - and face it, there are people who have made millions of dollars who are not near as smart as you are - then money is something that is always there, perfect virgin runs down KT22, only a few a year.  Everyone has to choose.  Money is infinite, your life is not.

Ya the guy who came up with the "Pet Rock" really ticks me off LOL.  However doesn't the MD expend much if not more (Time and money) than a PhD?

You are quite correct you certainly can't beat "perfect waves, or the perfect morning in Tahoe, the fresh snow sparking like diamonds on the mountains" but for many it's going to take the cost of a plane ticket to get there ha, ha.

-={LR}=-

If you live so far away from that, that you need a plane to get there, well, tough.

However doesn't the MD expend much if not more (Time and money) than a PhD?

No.

Quote from: tekla on August 31, 2009, 09:41:57 PM
If you live so far away from that, that you need a plane to get there, well, tough.

Ya I guess it sucks to be me huh!  Ah but then I have the love and affection of a wonderful and caring man to share my life with so I'll save the plane fare and enjoy my life as it is.  Yep we both need money to get by, but what the heck, that's life.

However doesn't the MD expend much if not more (Time and money) than a PhD?

QuoteNo.

Oh I see! I bow to your wisdom, knowledge!

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I would think that living where you want to live, where your happy, is the first thing a smart person gets.  Doesn't matter where it is, but if your going to be happiest being a surfer, you're a moron if you continue to live in Kansas, just as much as if you want to be a cowboy, LA ain't exactly the town for you.  Nether is New York.

Along those lines, even idiots know you have to make choices in life.  Is what you want to do more important that what you want to be?  Is your lifestyle more important than your life?  Do you want to be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a big pond?  Want to be an actor?  Try NYC or LA, or be content to do dinner theater and off-off Broadway (but not on the actual off Broadway) in Des Moines and find peace in that.

And remember, life is change - that's how your different from a rock.  What is critical to us at 25 might well seem trivial at 36 or 58, and vice-versa.  But what is timeless, has ever been thus.  Beginnings and endings, life and death, happy or unhappy - some we have choice over, others not, accepting what is, and what can never be, that's smart to me.

Comes a time, when you realize that perhaps more sunsets have happened in your life then your going to have from here on out.  That you can't ski the double black diamonds forever, and these runs, this year, they might be the last time you can kick it like that.  That bank accounts and college degrees are cool, but showing up for work for a job you love, in a place you revere, and having people who are just as happy to see you there as you are to see them, might well be priceless.  I've found that if not priceless, its certainly rare enough to be treasured.  Being smart is realizing that before it makes a difference, rather than ex post facto.

And all that may not even be intelligent, but it is smart, and smart and intelligent are not the same thing, in the way that as Frank said: Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best...

We each have to determine what is the 'best' for us, and go with that - all the rest, is just the rest.  Its not the other thing, it may not even be a part of it, most of the really 'intelligent' people I've ever met are fools, because with all that stuff, they can't figure out how to be happy, something even a lot of idiots get.  And if you can't get there, what's it worth?

What makes smart people smart, is not intelligence tests, or grades in school, or degrees, or bank accounts, but the real tests that everyone faces everyday, and how they choose their outcome in those things.  The person with worry etched on their face who will die early from being a Type A person, are they really smarter than the surfer who is 60 and has spent over 45 years of their life on the beach? 

Somehow I doubt it.  I do know darn well who looks better, who feels better and who does, and does not, need a little blue pill to still get it up.

I live my life to amuse myself.  And I'm pretty damn amused by it.  That's good enough for me.  I was smart enough to figure that out and be happy in it, and that's as smart as I'll ever need to be.  Given all I have, all I have had, knowing the beginnings and endings to the circle of life and coming to understand the joy of Beethoven's 9th and the immense sorrow of Robert Johnson's Hellhounds on My Trail, has been pretty powerful stuff, both in terms of knowing myself, but also in knowing other people on a real and profound level, and not just as accessories and accouterments to a faux life. The people who have taught me the most, were not the one like me, or the ones who liked me, but those who were just real, despite how I felt about it.

And I was smart enough to listen, even when I didn't much like what they were saying.







"I don't care whether I'm remembered. As a matter of fact, there's a lot of people who would like to forget about me as soon as possible, and I'm on their side! You know? Just ... hurry up and get it over with. I do what I do because I like doing it, I do it for my amusement first, if it amuses you ... that's fine. I'm happy that you'll participate in it. But, uh, after I am dead and gone, there is no need to deal with any of this stuff, because it is not written for future generations, it is not performed for future generations. It is performed for now. Get it while it's hot, you know? That's it."
Frank Zappa from "There Is No Need"

Oh I see! I bow to your wisdom, knowledge!
Is playing the fool supposed to be a tribute to your personality or just your wardrobe?  Med School is 3 years, plus a one year residency, or in some a 2/2, with half being classroom and half clinical work - either way, about 4 years after the undergrad degree.  A PhD is a Masters Degree, plus 2 more years of graduate credits, and a dissertation, so about 7 years vs. 4 years, after the undergrad degree.  7 is more than 4.  OK?

Truly, becoming well educated and landing a high paying job are accomplishments.

Finding true happiness and contentment is probably the greatest accomplishment of all

Some friends of mine found fame and fortune. But happiness somehow eluded them. It ate them up till it killed them.

There is nothing wrong with being successful and/or wealthy. It's how you handle it that makes a difference.

Learning to be happy is probably the most intelligent thing a person could do

Learning to be happy is probably the most intelligent thing a person could do

I wonder if you actually 'learn' it.  If that's not at the root of the over-thinking the problem that keeps so many intelligent people from being happy.  I think its just a choice you make every day when you wake up.

Really, if you wake up and think 'today is going to suck' and its just the everyday stuff, I'd think it time to get rid of that stuff and try other stuff.  What have you got to lose?

Hmmmm, Probably everyone has their own idea of happiness.

Perhaps it's more about learning to find and make good use of that which brings you (and others) happiness

Well in that sense, people who know how to make themselves happy, tend to be pretty good at helping other people get there.  Unhappy people tend to breed the same in others.

Happiness is contagious  :laugh:

Well it's been said that everyone can make people happy, some do it by arriving, others by leaving.  Just make sure you're in the first group.

Now I'm wondering how long we can happily get away with high jacking the intelligence thread with philosophy before someone with a stinky butt jumps in  :laugh:

Quote from: tekla on September 01, 2009, 12:52:07 AM
I would think that living where you want to live, where your happy, is the first thing a smart person gets.  Doesn't matter where it is, but if your going to be happiest being a surfer, you're a moron if you continue to live in Kansas, just as much as if you want to be a cowboy, LA ain't exactly the town for you.  Nether is New York.

True but I imagine that there are some morons in Kansas not in a financial position to pursue their dreams.  Too bad we can't pick where we are born.

QuoteAlong those lines, even idiots know you have to make choices in life.  Is what you want to do more important that what you want to be?  Is your lifestyle more important than your life?  Do you want to be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a big pond?  Want to be an actor?  Try NYC or LA, or be content to do dinner theater and off-off Broadway (but not on the actual off Broadway) in Des Moines and find peace in that.

Yes indeed, even the idiots, but those stuck between rocks and hard places can be somewhat restricted in choices causing things that would make them happy to become merely dreams.

QuoteAnd remember, life is change - that's how your different from a rock.  What is critical to us at 25 might well seem trivial at 36 or 58, and vice-versa.  But what is timeless, has ever been thus.  Beginnings and endings, life and death, happy or unhappy - some we have choice over, others not, accepting what is, and what can never be, that's smart to me.

And so do I.

QuoteComes a time, when you realize that perhaps more sunsets have happened in your life then your going to have from here on out.  That you can't ski the double black diamonds forever, and these runs, this year, they might be the last time you can kick it like that.  That bank accounts and college degrees are cool, but showing up for work for a job you love, in a place you revere, and having people who are just as happy to see you there as you are to see them, might well be priceless.  I've found that if not priceless, its certainly rare enough to be treasured.  Being smart is realizing that before it makes a difference, rather than ex post facto.

Again I agree.

QuoteAnd all that may not even be intelligent, but it is smart, and smart and intelligent are not the same thing, in the way that as Frank said: Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best...

We each have to determine what is the 'best' for us, and go with that - all the rest, is just the rest.  Its not the other thing, it may not even be a part of it, most of the really 'intelligent' people I've ever met are fools, because with all that stuff, they can't figure out how to be happy, something even a lot of idiots get.  And if you can't get there, what's it worth?

What makes smart people smart, is not intelligence tests, or grades in school, or degrees, or bank accounts, but the real tests that everyone faces everyday, and how they choose their outcome in those things.  The person with worry etched on their face who will die early from being a Type A person, are they really smarter than the surfer who is 60 and has spent over 45 years of their life on the beach? 

Somehow I doubt it.  I do know darn well who looks better, who feels better and who does, and does not, need a little blue pill to still get it up.

I live my life to amuse myself.  And I'm pretty damn amused by it.  That's good enough for me.  I was smart enough to figure that out and be happy in it, and that's as smart as I'll ever need to be.  Given all I have, all I have had, knowing the beginnings and endings to the circle of life and coming to understand the joy of Beethoven's 9th and the immense sorrow of Robert Johnson's Hellhounds on My Trail, has been pretty powerful stuff, both in terms of knowing myself, but also in knowing other people on a real and profound level, and not just as accessories and accouterments to a faux life. The people who have taught me the most, were not the one like me, or the ones who liked me, but those who were just real, despite how I felt about it.

And I was smart enough to listen, even when I didn't much like what they were saying.

What a boring life it would be if everyone agreed :)

Quote
"I don't care whether I'm remembered. As a matter of fact, there's a lot of people who would like to forget about me as soon as possible, and I'm on their side! You know? Just ... hurry up and get it over with. I do what I do because I like doing it, I do it for my amusement first, if it amuses you ... that's fine. I'm happy that you'll participate in it. But, uh, after I am dead and gone, there is no need to deal with any of this stuff, because it is not written for future generations, it is not performed for future generations. It is performed for now. Get it while it's hot, you know? That's it."
Frank Zappa from "There Is No Need"

Oh I see! I bow to your wisdom, knowledge!
Is playing the fool supposed to be a tribute to your personality or just your wardrobe?  Med School is 3 years, plus a one year residency, or in some a 2/2, with half being classroom and half clinical work - either way, about 4 years after the undergrad degree.  A PhD is a Masters Degree, plus 2 more years of graduate credits, and a dissertation, so about 7 years vs. 4 years, after the undergrad degree.  7 is more than 4.  OK?

My personality of course, I can't see how my wardrobe, if one could call it that is of any consequence?  I've never mentioned it.  Strange.

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I got a thing for harlequin I guess, that and hats with bells on them.

And I think that people often tend to underestimate the importance of geographical placement in terms of being happy. Some things you can only do in some places, and not every paradise is heaven on earth for everyone.  I have a very close and dear friend who turned down a great job in Hawaii and choose to live in Bemidji Minn. habitually one of the coldest places in the US.  For her, it was the right decision, though I'll never understand it, but I'm a breed beach babe/sun goddess and I like sun, surf and sand - snow, not so much.  She seems to love -40 below zero, and I want temps that never dip below 45 unless I have skis on.

I think a lot of people who are miserable where they are, would find a very different life in a more liberal atmosphere.  Or perhaps in a more metropolitan/cosmopolitan area where they would stand out less, and have far more changes to meet other people like themselves and hence, feel less alone.  But big cities are big scary places and I know well they are not for everyone.  The pace kills some, the sheer scope of temptation does away with others, and there are people who really want to be that big fish in a small pond, and that ain't swimming in LA or Manhattan then.

What I think, and remember I started this by saying I was not smart, not even close, and pretty happy to be dumb at that - ignorance is bliss and all - is that intelligent people tend to think things to death, and often are still thinking when the rest of us have done got on our little way.  They carry burdens for years because they can't stop thinking about them, they carry such things long after everyone else has put them down.  Long past the point of anyone even caring anymore.

See, why does everyone want to think they are 'above average' (when, I'm sure, most of the evidence in their life would suggest otherwise)?  Because it makes them important.  If they have above average intelligence, then their values/notions/thoughts/feeling, well, all of those things (produced by their above average intellect) must be above average also.  In some very fundamental way, being above average makes them better.

The truly happy part about being stupid is that you never figure out who those people you're supposed to be better than are, and soon, you forget to care. 

And not caring is sheer bliss.  Because it means you never have to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders.  Because it means that you know you can hop the J car out to Ocean Beach and watch the sunset, because the world is going to keep on turning just fine without you.  And whenever the sunset is done, that big old world is still going to be there, its not going to sneak away from you while you're watching the waves.

It means that transitioning is a choice that effects you, and not a whole lot more, one to three other people at the most.  There is no society to worry about, no culture to destroy, just a matter of how you want to live your life, not much different than moving to Long Beach to surf or Tahoe to ski. 

And the sheer brilliance of being dumb, is that you can always use the three best words in the English language.  Either, "I was wrong" or "I don't know" depending on the moment.

I often wonder why most of the very intelligent people I've meet wind up often being far too stupid to quit (either when they are ahead or behind).  Then I figured it out.  They can't admit that they were wrong.  They are too smart to be wrong.  Being wrong is for those under average people, who, to date on this post, I'm the only one to self identify as.   But if you start out wrong, its easy to admit, easy to change, and because you're too stupid to care, admitting your wrong and going off in another direction does not matter.

I've often thought - because I'm an idiot and get everything wrong - that the real meaning of the story of Jesus is that God came down and became man, and then we killed him in a most horrible fashion - I mean just think of that, of course God is dead, we killed him, WE KILLED GOD.  Yet.

Yet the next day.  The very next day after we killed god, the sun rose in the East and set in the West.  People fell in love, and people fell out of love.  Babies were born, old people died, rivers still flowed to the sea, and life went on.  Just like nothing had ever happened.

And so, if we can kill god without any real ramifications, think how much less your life matters.

So do what you want to do, its not going to make any real difference.  And if you think it is, you're way overthinking it.

Quote from: tekla on September 01, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
I got a thing for harlequin I guess, that and hats with bells on them.

Somehow I don't see you dressed as harlequin although I will admit the picture would be amusing.

QuoteAnd I think that people often tend to underestimate the importance of geographical placement in terms of being happy. Some things you can only do in some places, and not every paradise is heaven on earth for everyone.  I have a very close and dear friend who turned down a great job in Hawaii and choose to live in Bemidji Minn. habitually one of the coldest places in the US.  For her, it was the right decision, though I'll never understand it, but I'm a breed beach babe/sun goddess and I like sun, surf and sand - snow, not so much.  She seems to love -40 below zero, and I want temps that never dip below 45 unless I have skis on.

I think a lot of people who are miserable where they are, would find a very different life in a more liberal atmosphere.  Or perhaps in a more metropolitan/cosmopolitan area where they would stand out less, and have far more changes to meet other people like themselves and hence, feel less alone.  But big cities are big scary places and I know well they are not for everyone.  The pace kills some, the sheer scope of temptation does away with others, and there are people who really want to be that big fish in a small pond, and that ain't swimming in LA or Manhattan then.

I think that this can be seen with TS as well.  I would imagine that post-ops frequently find themselves in a flux.  They have endured and achieved much yet the place they called home is no longer that place. Of these there no doubt would be valiant souls willing to take the risk of a move to achieve happiness.  Yet there would be those who are at their limit and are willing suffer their lot in life.

QuoteWhat I think, and remember I started this by saying I was not smart, not even close, and pretty happy to be dumb at that - ignorance is bliss and all - is that intelligent people tend to think things to death, and often are still thinking when the rest of us have done got on our little way.  They carry burdens for years because they can't stop thinking about them, they carry such things long after everyone else has put them down.  Long past the point of anyone even caring anymore. .......

Somehow I don't buy the notion that TG's are more intelligent, well no more intelligent than any other cross section of society.  1% way at the bottom, 4% below average, 4% above average, 1% way at the top, and the rest of us just average Joe's or Josephine's as the case may be.

For me common sense trumps.

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What does this have to do with anything? I think these kinds of polls for causality are ridiculous.

So say you found that transexualism and intelligence are positively correlated. So what, you could also say that transexualism and the number of eyelashes someone has is also positively correlated... these kinds of statistical analysis are good for recreation only...

Correlation =/= Causation!

That's what I'm saying... therefore this poll doesn't really have any meaning other than for entertainment purposes.

That's already been established. And the first post doesn't suggest causation either.

Quote from: Deanna_Renee on August 19, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
I am trying to determine if there is some correlation between transgendered people and intelligence. In reading studies about the possible genetic explanations for transgender people, there is some indication that there is a developmental difference in the formation of the brain in the transgendered. There seem to be certain regions in the brain that connect the two hemispheres providing a kind of duality that non-trans people lack.

I have noticed that among the people I have interacted with here, there seems to be a distinct tendency for above average intelligence. I don't know if there is a scientific correlation (or even any studies) bearing out this hypothesis, but I am just curious - it could explain a lot to me. Personally, I am somewhere between 1 & 2 (just short of Mensa).

Comments?

Deanna

LOL WUT?

Technically, IQ grades learning potential, not outright intelligence (though since the two are interrelated, that's pretty much just splitting hairs).  I was tested when I was five to have an IQ of 157 on the Stanford-Binet standard children's test -- which is technically higher than over three quarters of MENSA.  I'd probably join the Triple Nine Society (MENSA is for those in the 98th percentile of IQs; TNS is for 99.9th percentile IQs), which I also qualify for, if it wasn't full of Objectivists and Libertraians who think this counts as a genuine accomplishment.

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Quote from: Miniar on September 11, 2009, 06:25:23 AM
That's already been established. And the first post doesn't suggest causation either.

That and really -- polling people on the Internet is hardly going to buy Hypothesis a one-way ticket to Theory.  That alone was all I needed to know to prove that this was pretty much "for entertainment only".  If this was a serious inquiry for a scientific study, there would have to be, you know, testing.  Most of the people I know personally (even the TS/TG individuals) are of average intelligence and potential -- almost none of them will actually admit it in casual conversation, especially not on an Internet poll.

But eh...  I came, I saw, I clicked a radio button on a forum poll.  My mother may have proved i have immense potential, but my high school counsellor put it best when he said "I've listened to you go on about Marc Bolan and The Chicago Seven and other things that won't ever provide gainful employment for three years.  You're highly intelligent, bright, articulate, and very witty; in fact, I think you might prove a threat to the government if you had even an ounce of ambition.  And this is going on your permanent record."

My IQ tends to be around 125-130, although I don't really believe in IQ tests.

Personally, I would say I was of above average intelligence, compared to people I know IRL. This isn't to say that I'm more intelligent than them, though.

Based on my observations of the self-proclaimed intelligentsia, I'm quite certain I'm not among them.

Yours,
"Thickie" finewine.

Quote from: tekla on September 01, 2009, 01:59:29 AM
Learning to be happy is probably the most intelligent thing a person could do

I wonder if you actually 'learn' it.  If that's not at the root of the over-thinking the problem that keeps so many intelligent people from being happy.  I think its just a choice you make every day when you wake up.

Really, if you wake up and think 'today is going to suck' and its just the everyday stuff, I'd think it time to get rid of that stuff and try other stuff.  What have you got to lose?

we are very much agreeing here, happiness i something to be allowed or perceived rather than attained. I think there could be a way of teaching people to spot happiness though.

as for cleverness, I do seem to be smarter than the average type bear - but only in a very limited way, I am a poor thinker in the abstract and have no spatial awareness to speak of - but the stuff I an good at, I'm ace.

My IQ is so large I have to carry it in a rucksack. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Quote from: CindyJames on October 23, 2009, 02:04:15 AM

My IQ is so large I have to carry it in a rucksack. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Oh, Cindy, I thought that was for your awesomeness!  ;D

And for those concerned, I started this not for any kind of scientific quantitative analysis or to measure the IQ scores of the membership and I'm sure I could have worded the OP better. But, this was just for entertainment purposes and to generate a little chatter for a person who was, at the time, rather new to the boards and was really kind of clueless and inquisitive. It wasn't meant to generate any kind of animosity or to inflate any egos or anything - just fun.

Thank you all y'all who took part.

Deanna

Sorry Deanna

I wasn't trying to be rude, I posted just for a laugh.

I hope I didn't offended in any way.

I was thinking (& I know this is over the top) If my brain could remember all of the tunes I have on my IPOD, does that mean I have an 8 gbyte brain?

Hugs Honey

On a personal note you OK?

Feel free to pm at any time

Cindy

Quote from: CindyJames on October 23, 2009, 02:29:43 AM
Sorry Deanna

I wasn't trying to be rude, I posted just for a laugh.

I hope I didn't offended in any way.

I was thinking (& I know this is over the top) If my brain could remember all of the tunes I have on my IPOD, does that mean I have an 8 gbyte brain?

Hugs Honey

On a personal note you OK?

Feel free to pm at any time

Cindy

Oh, no Cindy, I wasn't hurt by what you were saying. I'm sorry if you thought that. Only the "awesomeness' part was for you. No, I was just trying to clarify my initial intent for posting the poll, since it seemed that a few posters were put off a bit by it and perhaps a bit offended. I was trying to apologize for that and explain it was only meant for fun.

No offenses committed. BTW I'm fine, doing as well as I could expect given circumstances. I'll elaborate in PM.

Take care,

Deanna