Hi there,
This might have been asked before but here goes. I was out with a friend yesterday who was the same size as me at 5ft 6inches. I had not seen them for a long time, about six months. She said I was shorter than her. I asked what hight she was and she said 5ft 6inches. I said that's the same as me are you wearing heals, she had only an inch. I said lets me see and I stood up against her and I was like nearly 3inches shorter. When I got home I measured myself and I was just slightly over 5ft 4inches I was gob smacked to think I had shrunk.
So my question is this, is there any evidence of people who have been on HRT for about 2yrs and longer loosing body hight? I'm not complaining, just curious and of course worried a little that something else might be going on like the spine crumbling or curvature of the spine (not that it looks like it is in the mirror). I am seeing my clinic on tomorrow so I will speak to them too.
Thanks and take care,
Stardust
I've heard it's the muscle in between the vertebra in the spine, muscle atrophy or something etc :P
Losing an inch in height is common apparently, and no doubt welcome for most! ^__^ I'm not sure how long it takes but if you're at the two year make then it must be between one and two years? Awesome.
It may be possible but as always I'm skeptical..
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 09, 2010, 05:13:35 AM
It may be possible but as always I'm skeptical..
Well naturally blonde I can't escape from the fact that I have lost nearly two inches in hight and I was only made aware of it by my friend not something that I had really thought about. Physically I am fit, I run three times a week for 3 to 4 miles I eat a healthy diet, I don't drink (so its not the booze, lol) so its either as above or spine deterioration, (I hope not). Well I suppose I will let everyone know after a physical at my docs. Just to exclude other things.
If its HRT well its a cool thing. It will make me 5ft 4inches and a 1/4. Just a side thing my shoe size has gone down a size too.
I am not making this up, I have no need to do such things as there is nothing to gain.
As I said in my post, I was gob smacked as I'd not heard from others about a decrease in hight.
Stardust
As Stardust points out, height is not something that you check regularly.
Once you're an adult you presume that your height is a constant.
It's a fact, standing up straight I am 2.5" shorter than I once was.
When, how and why this occurred is up for debate.
My inseam appears to be the same as it ever was.
This would lead me to believe that the shortening occurred in my spine.
Or maybe just my head has gotten flatter! >:-)
It happens to a lot of people, but some say it doesn't happen to them. *shrugs* Same thing with shoe size going down, some people get it and some don't.
I know I shrunk and so did my feet. o_0
There's a theory about the tilt of the pelvis that is affected by hormone treatment.
If you look at "anatomy for artists" then you can see how the pelvic bone tilt (and amount of curving of the spine to a smaller degree) differs between feminine and masculine bodies..
Some trans-girls experience a slight difference in posture in that area, which results in an inch or so (sometimes more) being shaved off their height.
If you have lost that much height, I suggest a visit to your doctor to check for other issues. Usually height loss is due to spinal compression. I'm 65 and have been on hormones for many years and have only lost 1/2 inch in all that time, most likely due to age.
My sister (yes a genetic woman) lost 6 inches due to spinal issues.
Sarah L.
Quote from: Miniar on February 09, 2010, 09:23:41 AM
There's a theory about the tilt of the pelvis that is affected by hormone treatment.
If you look at "anatomy for artists" then you can see how the pelvic bone tilt (and amount of curving of the spine to a smaller degree) differs between feminine and masculine bodies..
Some trans-girls experience a slight difference in posture in that area, which results in an inch or so (sometimes more) being shaved off their height.
Got it in one.
there are a lot of 'trans theories' about loosing height, and rebuttals too. But in some, the hormone therapy changes muscle structure and the pelvis can be rotated forwards in the classically female manner, the spine is then more curved, resulting in a slight loss of overall height. more J than l if that makes sense?
So I assume this works in reverse with T? Hmmm...
I have a colleague at work who has lost nearly six inches in height. Strangely, for a man, the cause was oestoparosis (I think that is how it is spelt). If you have lost significant height, I would speak to your Doctor as the cause may not be hormone related
Quote from: stardust on February 09, 2010, 05:39:32 AM
Well naturally blonde I can't escape from the fact that I have lost nearly two inches in hight and I was only made aware of it by my friend not something that I had really thought about. Physically I am fit, I run three times a week for 3 to 4 miles I eat a healthy diet, I don't drink (so its not the booze, lol) so its either as above or spine deterioration, (I hope not). Well I suppose I will let everyone know after a physical at my docs. Just to exclude other things.
Well I've been on HRT for many years and I'm not aware of any height change. I'm still 5' 7".
Quote from: stardust on February 09, 2010, 05:39:32 AM
If its HRT well its a cool thing. It will make me 5ft 4inches and a 1/4. Just a side thing my shoe size has gone down a size too.
I am not making this up, I have no need to do such things as there is nothing to gain.
As I said in my post, I was gob smacked as I'd not heard from others about a decrease in hight.
Stardust
I think I may have gone up a shoe size as my feet now hurt in most of my shoes and trainers! :o
Quote from: Miniar on February 09, 2010, 09:23:41 AM
There's a theory about the tilt of the pelvis that is affected by hormone treatment.
If you look at "anatomy for artists" then you can see how the pelvic bone tilt (and amount of curving of the spine to a smaller degree) differs between feminine and masculine bodies..
Some trans-girls experience a slight difference in posture in that area, which results in an inch or so (sometimes more) being shaved off their height.
That's a more possible theory maybe? but I still don't think you could loose that much in height.
Hi all,
Thanks for all your replies, I met with my support group tonight and one other transwoman said she also had lost a similar amount of hight to me. I also spoke to my therapist but all they could say is to speak to my consultant on Monday. So I have an appointment then just to clear up things and may be have some tests to exclude anything else.
Stardust
I thought hormones didn't affect any bones? I was told once they are grown and locked into place they won't change from hormones.
Still 5'11" ::)
Quote from: kaide on February 10, 2010, 06:15:17 PM
I thought hormones didn't affect any bones? I was told once they are grown and locked into place they won't change from hormones.
Bones are connected by tendons and ligaments and so on, and there is space between each bone where these tissues are. If these are affected in the same way as muscle mass is (aka, reduced), then the space between the bones can shrink, which is how you can get height decrease even if the bones don't change. And there's also the posture factor too (which can be changed by the changes in tendons and ligaments).
I can only speak as I find, I have no theories just experience and all theories are just that theories. Personal experience on the other hand is something to consider. I even can home and measured myself again tonight just in case I had made a mistake, no mistake still the same. nearly two inches shorter. I think it is more to do with muscle and rotation of what you all ready have rather than the actual bones themselves, but hey, who knows. HRT and genetics have different outcomes as we are all individuals. What happens to one person will not be the same for another. Its a pot luck lottery of how your body will change.
Stardust
Quote from: Ketsy on February 10, 2010, 06:30:25 PM
Bones are connected by tendons and ligaments and so on, and there is space between each bone where these tissues are. If these are affected in the same way as muscle mass is (aka, reduced), then the space between the bones can shrink, which is how you can get height decrease even if the bones don't change. And there's also the posture factor too (which can be changed by the changes in tendons and ligaments).
More or less what I tried to say, but you said it a hundred times better.... oh so yeah I agree 100% it's what I've read and the general consensus around these here parts. eerr
here being local TG community. >_>
lol
Same as what Ketsy and Muffin said. I measured myself just before HRT to have a baseline to go by. In a year I seem to have lost almost 2 full inches. I know other factors can affect this such as osteoporosis but I do take calcium supplements daily, and I always measure first thing in the morning before being upright all day compresses my spine. I'm sure bones don't change, so that only leaves the shrinkage of the connective tissues and hip tilt as the likely causes.
There were several topics about that and I said "very unlikely" each and every time.
Well, I am only 20, my medical center has my profile and height record used to be about 167cm. About half a year ago they measured me again, as they usually measure again at 20.. I was found to be 163/164 O_o
Was the previous one a mis-measure? I don't know.. personally I rather be a bit taller :D
Anyways, in my case I am not getting shorter due to age as in mu age you can still get a bit taller at times.. but then again I might have always been like this. I dunno. Pelvis tilt? what is that? how can you find out? sounds unlikely doesn't it?
Hands/feet never shrunk, they were always this small though :D I doubt they can shrink, they're pretty much all bone.
I lost 1.5 inches. I think I'm just getting old.
Quote from: stardust on February 10, 2010, 06:33:01 PM
I can only speak as I find, I have no theories just experience and all theories are just that theories. Personal experience on the other hand is something to consider. I even can home and measured myself again tonight just in case I had made a mistake, no mistake still the same. nearly two inches shorter. I think it is more to do with muscle and rotation of what you all ready have rather than the actual bones themselves, but hey, who knows. HRT and genetics have different outcomes as we are all individuals. What happens to one person will not be the same for another. Its a pot luck lottery of how your body will change.
Stardust
I wish I could loose 2 inches in Height! that would make me 5' 5" which is an average height for a female..
It's strange that some things about HRT do work for some and not for others and I'm not sure why or how?
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 11, 2010, 09:47:40 AM
I wish I could loose 2 inches in Height! that would make me 5' 5" which is an average height for a female..
It's strange that some things about HRT do work for some and not for others and I'm not sure why or how?
I think it comes down to weight, stance and age more than real loss. In my case I truly believe it was just a mis-measurement.
Hey 5'7 is awesome! I'd want to be 5'7
Quote from: Myself on February 11, 2010, 10:00:40 AM
I think it comes down to weight, stance and age more than real loss. In my case I truly believe it was just a mis-measurement.
Hey 5'7 is awesome! I'd want to be 5'7
I still think I'm a bit tall for a female at 5' 7".....now 5' 5" would be absolutely perfect!
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 11, 2010, 10:03:56 AM
I still think I'm a bit tall for a female at 5' 7".....now 5' 5" would be absolutely perfect!
I have a lot of female friends at 5'7 and a few others who'd like to get there. At 5'4.5 or so I feel I'd love a couple more inches. I don't mind my height, I'd like a bit taller but if you are at 5'7 and want to be shorter because it's more feminine that's exaggerating, really.
There are a lot of females at your height, PLENTY of them. It counts as a very good height, many girls want to be minimum that height.
Sometimes the dysphoria is mixed with body-dismorphism kind of dysphoria and not just the gender one. Give it thought, you should be happy at your height :P Concern yourself with figure, shape.. but not your height
Quote from: Myself on February 11, 2010, 10:17:17 AM
I have a lot of female friends at 5'7 and a few others who'd like to get there. At 5'4.5 or so I feel I'd love a couple more inches. I don't mind my height, I'd like a bit taller but if you are at 5'7 and want to be shorter because it's more feminine that's exaggerating, really.
There are a lot of females at your height, PLENTY of them. It counts as a very good height, many girls want to be minimum that height.
Sometimes the dysphoria is mixed with body-dismorphism kind of dysphoria and not just the gender one. Give it thought, you should be happy at your height :P Concern yourself with figure, shape.. but not your height
I'm not sure where you are located? but in America and Germany women are slightly taller than they are in the U.K.
The body dismorphia tag has been thrown at me before by NHS GIC psychiatrists who seem to think anyone who wants to look female or have various other female enhancing proceedure's including FFS suffer from body dismorphia? ::)
I have friend at 5'9, no one doubts they look perfectly female, and they are, non-GID. They look great and people know this.
The thing is sometimes people aspire for the "classic female model", that's not true, saying the average height is 5'5 doesn't mean that 5'7 isn't feminine. Models requirement is 5'9.
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/303/15px4.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/303/15px4.jpg)
She is 5'8.5. She is taller than you! she is rated as one of the most beautiful women in the world
I'd happily be 5'7 tall. Don't let the dysphoria take over you on the things which aren't really there.
I'd support FFS and even body contouring but saying you want to get shorter at 5'7 is nonsense you should realize that it's you hurting yourself if you are ever bothered with it.
I had FFS (Chin and Nose surgery) almost two months ago (I put photos in the FFS page), I told my psychologist that in the support group people told me "don't do it! be yourself, it's all attitude bla bla bla, accept things" and that I went and did it because I felt it is important.
Her reaction was "I am glad you did it. It went really well! Now in psychology we actually encourage people to change what they can by surgery if they feel the need for it. Previously people taught to accept things as they are and that there is no need. Now we say that as long as there is truth to it and the reasons are right, you should go for it"
And in your case I'd say go for any body improvement you want but say thank you that you are 5'7, it'\s a great height, I am jealous of your height.
Quote from: Myself
I'd happily be 5'7 tall. Don't let the dysphoria take over you on the things which aren't really there.
I'd support FFS and even body contouring but saying you want to get shorter at 5'7 is nonsense you should realize that it's you hurting yourself if you are ever bothered with it.
I think you misunderstood my post! I didn't bring up the thread about shrinking? and all I said was 'that I would have liked it if I was a little shorter' but I didn't say I was bothered about it... ::)
have a look at http://www.pfc.org.uk/node/968 (http://www.pfc.org.uk/node/968) to read about dramatic shrinkages...then have a look at your lesbian friends and see how 'chunky' they have gone as the oppsite effect happens due to BRSS.
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 11, 2010, 10:03:56 AM
I still think I'm a bit tall for a female at 5' 7".....now 5' 5" would be absolutely perfect!
5'7 is actually more average hight for females today.... 5'6-7 is about the US/UK average :P 5'5 is pushing short either way. 5'10 is average tall, above, is 'a bit tall'
Why want to be short? it sucks >>
I lost an inch from crushed vertibrae, im only 5'9 now, but its a phycological thing I think, I prefered being taller >>
Plus its far more attractive imo.
Lilacwoman: um, huh? The story listed there seems a tiny bit fantastical, but has grounds in truth along the lines we've discussed, but I cannot for the life of me work out how someone being lesbian would make them 'chunkier'? I know two lesbian girls, a couple, both are quite skinny and curvey... Petite even, Having searched this 'BRSS' you speak of im at a loss to comprehend your comment, or any logic behind it.
Quote from: The None Blonde on February 15, 2010, 05:27:20 AM
5'7 is actually more average hight for females today.... 5'6-7 is about the US/UK average :P 5'5 is pushing short either way. 5'10 is average tall, above, is 'a bit tall'
Why want to be short? it sucks >>
I lost an inch from crushed vertibrae, im only 5'9 now, but its a phycological thing I think, I prefered being taller >>
Plus its far more attractive imo.
Lilacwoman: um, huh? The story listed there seems a tiny bit fantastical, but has grounds in truth along the lines we've discussed, but I cannot for the life of me work out how someone being lesbian would make them 'chunkier'? I know two lesbian girls, a couple, both are quite skinny and curvey... Petite even, Having searched this 'BRSS' you speak of im at a loss to comprehend your comment, or any logic behind it.
A lot of women around here are quite short but then again they are not of British origin!
I agree with you None Blonde about lesbian couples! some are so ultra feminine and unlike the stereo typical view some people have of what lesbians should look like!
I am only 5'3 to begin with I don't think I will need any shrinking :laugh:
Quote from: Stella Blue on February 15, 2010, 06:11:59 AM
I am only 5'3 to begin with I don't think I will need any shrinking :laugh:
That is quite short for a M to F...
Quote from: ... Petite even, Having searched this 'BRSS' you speak of im at a loss to comprehend your comment, or any logic behind it.
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Shrinkage seems fairly typical of MtFs and the BRSS effect will make lesbians chunkier but of course natal females are slimmer than males anyways so a lot of lesbians won't show obvious signs of BRSS. But as I'm LGBT head of my department and get to go to LGBT conferences thet chinkiness of lesbians is indisputable. And as I've been in contact with various MtF over maybe 10 years they almost all agree that they have shrunk.
Just today I was at hospital to see endocrinologist for my 6 monthly and we got to discussing my hormone regime and he said quite categorically that too much estrogen gets convereted into testosterone in me and the same thing happens with women on HRT which is why the doctors are wary of prescribing and now do it in msaller doses than when it first seemed a fad - women started having DVT, strokes, heart problems and breast problems so the dosages were reduced.
Logically neither males nor female should be taking the opposite sex's hormones except as naturally pass during sex.
after seeing this i had to check my hight i am 39 and when i was in the marines i was 71inch i just checked and im 70inch and i have been on hormones for 2 years
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 15, 2010, 11:13:35 AM
That is quite short for a M to F...
Hey, I'm only 5'3.5. Perfect I say. :angel:
I lost an inch and am now 5'11", which is absolutely perfect for me as well.
In fact, three of my classmates at Uni, gg's, are my height or taller. My niece is 6'1", so I get along just fine at family reunions.
I definitely want to be in your family. At 6'0" I stand out like a sore thumb no matter where I go... though that may also be the red-hair... whatever!
Yay for tall people!
For the facts of the matter: Yes, the connective tissues all over have a role in our height and out relative strength at various parts of our lives affects the distance between the bones. As you get older, the muscle tisses soften and weaken leading to a compression of the space between vertebrae, at the knees, feet, pelvic/hip complex and others. With HRT, we're losing ~30-35% of our muscle mass in some places. It's relatively logical that we'd see some shrinkage. We can both shrink and get taller based on nothing more than daily routine changes.
I was leery of clicking this topic for fear of what I might find, but this is a very interesting thread!
Curiosity still gets the better of me...
Hmm, I've only been on HRT for 6 months. Haven't measured in a couple years, but I was 5'8 for several years without a change, so I stopped measuring.
I'll be breaking out the tape measure regularly now ;D
Quote from: Kaori on February 16, 2010, 01:48:50 AM
I was leery of clicking this topic for fear of what I might find, but this is a very interesting thread!
Curiosity still gets the better of me...
Hmm, I've only been on HRT for 6 months. Haven't measured in a couple years, but I was 5'8 for several years without a change, so I stopped measuring.
I'll be breaking out the tape measure regularly now ;D
You will probably find you are the same height. It's always best to get someone else to do the measuring to get a more acurate measurement.
Quote from: lilacwoman on February 15, 2010, 03:20:34 PM
[quote author=... Petite even, Having searched this 'BRSS' you speak of im at a loss to comprehend your comment, or any logic behind it.
Shrinkage seems fairly typical of MtFs and the BRSS effect will make lesbians chunkier but of course natal females are slimmer than males anyways so a lot of lesbians won't show obvious signs of BRSS. But as I'm LGBT head of my department and get to go to LGBT conferences thet chinkiness of lesbians is indisputable. And as I've been in contact with various MtF over maybe 10 years they almost all agree that they have shrunk.
Just today I was at hospital to see endocrinologist for my 6 monthly and we got to discussing my hormone regime and he said quite categorically that too much estrogen gets convereted into testosterone in me and the same thing happens with women on HRT which is why the doctors are wary of prescribing and now do it in msaller doses than when it first seemed a fad - women started having DVT, strokes, heart problems and breast problems so the dosages were reduced.
Logically neither males nor female should be taking the opposite sex's hormones except as naturally pass during sex.
Where are you getting this? Ive searched extensively for this BRSS effect, and cannot find it, nevermind how lesbian women somehow are 'chunkier' indisputably...
Also, Surplus e being converted to T is a trans urban legend. and False. Surplus estrogen is simply metabolised and passed.... where do you think premarin comes from?
Your quote is... conveluted, and quite honestly has very little logical train within...
most of the information is old, and disproven, highly.
I'm still baffled by this BRSS and how lesbians = chunky.... what the potato?
Bindel Raymond Stein Syndrome ...
Bindel-Raymond-Stein-Syndrome. This is the subtle and unrecognised and unacknowldeged masculinisng of a female brain by constant intake of estrogen or testosterone derived as reaction to estrogen that is responsible for BRSS people to become such extrme examples of the vindictive lesbian as Bindel-Raymond-Stein so obvioulsy are.
-http://intersexnews.blogspot.com/2009/02/open-letter-to-members-of-wpath-about.html
This is only thing I could find and notice the unproven part as well as the bad spelling.
wtf
Lesbians, chunky? I met so many lesbians which are slim and with great bodies.
I also met gays which are not feminine looking and whatever.. O_o
I still doubt my height loss, I saw another measuring of me before HRT which was about 164cm.
Estrogen converted to Testosterone? no, more like the other way around.
My Testosterone is like 0.2 ng/ml (or was it ng/dl?, anyhow really low. And estrogen dowse is quite high.
Not all those who start late are big built, some pass as really slender women, it is a lot of luck. Question is what's more common.
And about lesbians, it might be more likely for sterotypes to be more extrovert about it and in communities while those who look normal might be comfortable more, just like in the trans community. You go if you need the support or social group.
I have actually grown in height while on estradiol, but mine is not a typical MtF situation, in that I started with really, really low levels of testosterone due to my hypogonadism.
As for lesbians being "chunky," which lesbians, and according to whom? Many of the young dykes I know are amazingly skinny - hipster-skinny. One of my best dyke friends is a total string bean - she looks like an overgrown little boy, and she's 26!
This thread is kind of lol. We went from comparing one tape measure reading to another ::) You people are getting shorter because the gigantic breasts that you grew as you win the so-called "genetic lottery" are making you hunch. I mean, really.
Chunky lesbians, I dare ya to say it to their faces!
I'm a bit pudgy.
But I'll bet I can still hit like a boy.... ;)
Quote from: Becca on February 16, 2010, 08:36:38 PM
This thread is kind of lol. We went from comparing one tape measure reading to another ::) You people are getting shorter because the gigantic breasts that you grew as you win the so-called "genetic lottery" are making you hunch. I mean, really.
We've given scientific reasoning. This happens, and its a fairly logical reason why. No need to scoff and moan a bout it.... Stop trying to throw ->-bleeped-<-r than thou about by suggesting something frankly leud.... As for breasts? you're about as relevant to this topic as lilacwoman's chunky lesbians.
Lordkat: thanks... couldnt find that, not suprised i guess... seems obscure, and utter garbage tbh.
Well I am surprised after being away from my post on this subject for a couple of days that it has turned into a debate on butch lesbians. Well there are some and some are petite and everything in between, come on peps get a life.
Well I spoke to my gender consultant this week and he said its not possible to be osteoporosis with my level of estrogen and I have no other symptoms that would associate it with the above. I have an appointment with my doctor next week just for some scientific tests to be on the safe side but I'm not expecting anything to turn up except I am smaller by nearly two inches. At a previous hight of 5ft 6inches I was not particularly bothered about my hight but at 5ft 4inces I feel a little small now. Especially with other transwomen I know that now tower over me.
I hate high heels and have always worn fairly flat shoes and I can't see me wearing anything else. I started this post because I too was curious if there were other transwoman had lose of hight due to their hormonal treatment. It appears to me that there are some who have, even among transwomen that I know in other support groups. Now what is happening is another question and maybe needs scientific analysis to establish the cause. I suppose there may be someone out there interested in this subject. This is my last word on the subject and I will have to live with my new hight.
Stardust
I thought this whole shrinking idea was ridiculous, especially before reading on to the sciency posts. I went ahead and measured myself and found that I am absolutely 3/4" shorter than I was 6 months ago, with definitely no mis-measurement involved. o.O!
Now to lost a couple more?
Quote from: Jen on February 19, 2010, 10:50:29 PM
I thought this whole shrinking idea was ridiculous, especially before reading on to the sciency posts. I went ahead and measured myself and found that I am absolutely 3/4" shorter than I was 6 months ago, with definitely no mis-measurement involved. o.O!
Now to lost a couple more?
Hi Jen, I told you so, lol 2 inches seems to be the average amount of hight that some transwomen loose. I have heard of one who lost 2 1/2 inches.
Stardust
[quote ...
Also, Surplus e being converted to T is a trans urban legend. and False. Surplus estrogen is simply metabolised and passed.... where do you think premarin comes from?
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well in your neck of the wood sit may be a legend but this very Monday I had appointmnet with endocrinologist and he told me that there was no use taking more estro because.........it gets converted to testo!
of course he's only an endo so what does he know?
premairn comes from ponies which have four legs..so obviously they pee out excess estro
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[quote author=stardustower .Now what is happening is another question and maybe needs scientific analysis to establish the cause. I suppose there may be someone out there interested in this subject. This is my last word on the subject and I will have to live with my new hight.
Stardust
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the scientific explanation is the shrinkage of all the connective tissues as muscles turn to fat...the bones stay the same.
and while we're on the subject of weak bones I had a MRI csan for bone density tow years ago as part of my transition and the density was fine...then a few days later I tested it practically by slipping on snow...wnet down with a great thump right on my hip bone so I know how older women break theirs
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Quote from: Becca on February 16, 2010, 08:36:38 PM
Chunky lesbians, I dare ya to say it to their faces!
my job entails sitying on hte LGBT committee and the lesbians are quite happy to be called chunky...especially the ones with moustaches from estro-derived-testo poisoning.
Quote from: lilacwoman on February 20, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
the scientific explanation is the shrinkage of all the connective tissues as muscles turn to fat...the bones stay the same.
Hi, just a thought then. Is there any correlation between the muscles turning to fat and breast growth as most of the growth in breast tissue is fat and the redistribution of that fat to the female areas of the body. So those who have reduced in hight have they also seen better breast growth than others that have not shrunk in hight?
Stardust
at 6'5, I certainly hope I'll go through some shrinkage. Being tall is a curse :(.
Quote from: stardust on February 21, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
Hi, just a thought then. Is there any correlation between the muscles turning to fat and breast growth Stardust
Not with me...I wasn't so muscular but did have a bit above average top muscles from operating machines...but once I got on estrogen they slipped all the way to my hips...I have lovely soft padded hips now and last pair of male jears I'd hung on to were about 4 inches short of meeting when I finally threw them out.
To get boobs I had to have implants.
Quote from: lilacwoman on February 20, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
my job entails sitying on hte LGBT committee and the lesbians are quite happy to be called chunky...especially the ones with moustaches from estro-derived-testo poisoning.
Uh.... Ok.... why, perchance, would lesbians, of all people, express this then? Why not any woman, or are you saying sleeping with other women makes women more male? if you are, that committee chair wont last long ;)
Quote from: LordKAT on February 16, 2010, 11:53:07 AM
Bindel Raymond Stein Syndrome ...This is only thing I could find and notice the unproven part as well as the bad spelling.
That rings a bell but the article I saw ages ago was a long one with lots of numbers of estrogen and testosterone levels dffering in lesbians.
Quote from: stardust on February 21, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
Hi, just a thought then. Is there any correlation between the muscles turning to fat and breast growth as most of the growth in breast tissue is fat and the redistribution of that fat to the female areas of the body. So those who have reduced in hight have they also seen better breast growth than others that have not shrunk in hight?
Stardust
it probably comes down to genes as usual but i cant complain at my height lose and breast growth at all, everyone thinks ive had a boob job (thats nov) but it is validing to hear.
i posted ages before i was once 5,5" now im under 5,3" so make of that whatever you can i guess i feel hrt helped though
It would be interesting to have some proper monitored medical data on possible height loss?
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 22, 2010, 11:24:51 AM
It would be interesting to have some proper monitored medical data on possible height loss?
May be you can start a survey to see how many of us on this site have shrunk. Just by the asking people to click on something to register whether they have shrunk or not. I haven't the time.
Stardust
Good idea legallyblonde... but then again not many do much medical research into transitional stuff... just the why, not the how. I think its highly likely it happens to most to varying degrees. Hormonal receptability is a big factor, not everyone's pelvis rotates quite to the same degree in all females or males, and for some , hrt has little effect, so not much change... I suspect its like all things, some do, some dont.
Quote from: The None Blonde on February 22, 2010, 03:17:25 PM
Good idea legallyblonde... but then again not many do much medical research into transitional stuff... just the why, not the how. I think its highly likely it happens to most to varying degrees. Hormonal receptability is a big factor, not everyone's pelvis rotates quite to the same degree in all females or males, and for some , hrt has little effect, so not much change... I suspect its like all things, some do, some dont.
What is quite strange is that HRT has had very little effect on me during the years I've been on it.....but when I was growing up in my teens and twenties Testoterone also had very little effect on me and it didn't effect my voice or some of my physicalities.
Quote from: Jen on February 19, 2010, 10:50:29 PM
I thought this whole shrinking idea was ridiculous, especially before reading on to the sciency posts. I went ahead and measured myself and found that I am absolutely 3/4" shorter than I was 6 months ago, with definitely no mis-measurement involved. o.O!
Now to lost a couple more?
did you measure at after noon or after?
We lose height during the day and get it back in the morning.
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on February 23, 2010, 11:03:10 AM
What is quite strange is that HRT has had very little effect on me during the years I've been on it.....but when I was growing up in my teens and twenties Testoterone also had very little effect on me and it didn't effect my voice or some of my physicalities.
you are the antihormone! the woman sent to earth to battle the evil supervillain Dr Endo!
Quote from: stardust on February 21, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
Hi, just a thought then. Is there any correlation between the muscles turning to fat and breast growth as most of the growth in breast tissue is fat and the redistribution of that fat to the female areas of the body. So those who have reduced in hight have they also seen better breast growth than others that have not shrunk in hight?
Stardust
Muscles may atrophy and shrink but they don't turn into fat. Its a physical and logical impossibility; no more probable than your eye turning into a nose, or your index finger becoming a wiener.
Quote from: Vision on February 25, 2010, 12:16:35 AM
Muscles may atrophy and shrink but they don't turn into fat. Its a physical and logical impossibility; no more probable than your eye turning into a nose, or your index finger becoming a wiener.
well as muscle is protein and fat is fat you're quite correct literally but practically speaking it appears that taking hormones but living the same lifestyle and eating the same diet does cause muscle to turn into fat.