I have not started HRT or hair removal yet. Any advice is appreciated :) Im wearing my breastforms in the pics...
Update:
The new me for those to lazy to find my new post :laugh:
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My 10cents:
Your hair is the wrong colour for your skin, it's washing you out and making you look flat, while drawing attention to your blemishes. A lighter colour will help reduce the contrast between your skin and hair. A more natural foundation would help as well, though I gather you're going for the Goth look overall, so you may not wish to change your makeup or hair.
Your face has great potential though. Try smiling, it's one of the most feminising thing anyone can do for their face.
First of all, I'm very concerned about your arms - they are far too skinny. Not only do they look unhealthy, they detract from your passability by drawing attention to your physique; girls with arms that skinny simply don't have the curves that you have with the breastforms and hip padding. I know it's probably tempting to restrict your diet in order to prevent gaining muscle mass, but if that's what you're doing, you've gone way too far.
Secondly, your makeup is the wrong shade, even if you're going for a Goth look. That shade doesn't look good on anyone (despite the number of young women who try it). Try something a little warmer and more translucent, with some subtle colour variations (blush, bronzer, even just slightly darker powder) that accentuate your cheeks. Also consider something a little different around the eyes - a lighter hand with the eyeliner, and maybe different widths across top and bottom, and a more elongated shape. You could probably also do more with your eyebrows.
You have features and a style that could be completely passable, but you're not making the most of them.
Thanks... I don't try to restrict my weight at all. I eat junk and drink plenty of soda.. I just cant seem to gain any weight no matter what I do, as far as my hair goes that's my natural color, I plan to get some new makeup. at least some new lipstick that isn't black, I was thinking a dark red. And the foundation I use is the middle shade I think, I might buy the warmer one and see how it goes.
I'll tell you what, if I saw you in a grocery store, I'll immediately recognize you as a transvestite; not even close enough to look like a woman. I'll then look at your fashion and think that you're a brave soul to even walk out the door to the cruel world.
Sorry but you really would need hormones...
Yeah, the middle shade in most drugstore brands is the troublesome one. If you look at the shade, it seems about right for your average fair-skinned person, and most girls (especially with any facial redness or acne scarring) reach for it first, but when actually applied to skin it has an odd and unnatural warm pink-ish tone. Most fair skin is really a light yellow-beige with cool pink spots and undertones. And it's the lighter, warmer areas you want to match with the foundation; if you want to add the pink back in after, you can do that with blush in the right spots.
(Yes, I know, I know too much about this stuff for a boy...I'm practicing for the 'gay boyfriend' role, ok?)
And remember that blush, bronzer, mineral powder, or some other upper layer always needs to go over your foundation. That's why it's called foundation - it's just a base coat to even out the colour of the "canvas" you'll be painting. You don't present a blank canvas. Look at someone with great skin who goes out with no makeup - her skin won't be all the same colour, it'll have pink spots in the hollow of the cheeks and a slightly darker colour in spots where she gets a bit more sun like the bridge of the nose and the top of the cheekbones. That's the effect you're going for. It can (should) be really subtle, but it needs to be there.
As far as your weight...your current build would be of concern on a teenage guy, but will set off major giant alarm bells in people's minds when they begin to read you as a girl. Hormones should help you develop some subcutaneous fat, but honestly, I think your weight is of medical concern and you ought to talk to a doctor. If you're not deliberately restricting calories, then you may either have an endocrine disorder or perhaps just not be eating enough because of depression/anxiety/not being sensitive to your body's hunger cues. Just because you eat junk doesn't necessarily mean you're eating enough of it. With no hormones you're feeding what amounts to a young male body, and you can't feed it like a girl's, but that may be what your brain is trying to do.
Get a haircut. No, really.
I had nothing but straight long hair my whole life. I finally went to the girl who does my brows (hurray english speaking salons) and told her to do whatever she wanted to with my hair, just get rid of it and make me sexy. That makes a stylist wet, when they have a large, open canvas.
A few weeks later I decided it was still too long, and had her go with the nuclear option and give me bangs and even shorter hair.
I really love it.
You don't have to hack off your hair, but, that hair cut does not work for your face at all. You need layers to frame the face and you need bangs for the forehead (and more shaped brows, but that's another matter.)
It feels violating, coming from a male life, especially one with a gender disorder, to cut your hair. Hair is the strongest and most accepted symbol of femininity in men, something held onto. Also, considering how many lose their hair, it's traumatic, especially for MTF. But less can be a lot more. The 'curtain' as my stylist said, just kind of hangs there. And with it hanging down in front of your ears, it gives you a long, male face.
Of course, a flat out girl's haircut where you have to style your bangs and maybe some other parts of it (I'm still playing around with hot curling and some product) may draw attention and ire. But it will help tremendously.
Learn makeup slowly. Use browns and bronzes instead of blacks to start with. Eye makeup actually involves coloring the lid, the crease, and the bone above (and maybe your cat's eyes and using a primer before hand) and liner and curling your lashes and mascara (be sure to curl before you do anything else.) It's not typically just *block of black* unless you are going for a marilyn manson look, but I imagine your ultimate goal is not.
My personal philosophy when I began exploring makeup was that when I sucked at it, I looked a LOT worse than not wearing it. Something about poorly done makeup screams transvestite.
Also you may try to improve your overall skin health with cleansing/exfoliating/toning/moisturizing, if you don't already have a strict skin care system. When you go on E, your skin will dry out, which will end most of the acne (as long as you change your pillow case.... *grumble, 4 scars from that...*) but require even more moisture.
Also be sure you thoroughly clean and moisturize after wearing makeup. Eye makeup remover, if you don't have it, is gentle and awesome, and makeup remover wipes are fantastic too. And you can always add more, it's much harder to remove, so start light with the makeup.
I don't even try eye liner, still, honestly, because I'm a moron when it comes to it and I don't want to embarrass myself.
Hi, I hope you will not be offended but you did ask. I agree with most of what has been said. You need a good hair style that will suit your facial features, ditch your current lipstick it does not suit you, I wear red. Go for more feminine clothing. Even if you like the Goth look. I have Goth clothing as well but its a black skirt with Gothic styling to the rear, a black trailered jacket and black top female cut with black neck band, etc. Look on the internet to get the idea, try wikipedia. I go for the Victorian type Goth look and I love my skirt because its like Victorian that comes out at the back with details and lace.
Hope that helps
Stardust
black clothes are for men although some women can look pretty good in them but not a MtF...
forget the comment about thin arms...most slim girl have nice slim arms.
if and when you start hormones you'll find you skin condition get much better and your shape will alter to some degree.
chop off that hair or stop it looking like a punk rockers..
throw out the black eyes and lips and go medium pink lips and gold or brown eyes.
put a skirt and girlie top on to show us a girl.
Quote from: stardust on April 09, 2010, 02:25:26 AM
Hi, I hope you will not be offended but you did ask. I agree with most of what has been said. You need a good hair style that will suit your facial features, ditch your current lipstick it does not suit you, I wear red. Go for more feminine clothing. Even if you like the Goth look. I have Goth clothing as well but its a black skirt with Gothic styling to the rear, a black trailered jacket and black top female cut with black neck band, etc. Look on the internet to get the idea, try wikipedia. I go for the Victorian type Goth look and I love my skirt because its like Victorian that comes out at the back with details and lace.
Hope that helps
Stardust
I agree with a lot that's been said by stardust.
But first off, you're pre hormones so I mean you do have some good features to work with. So don't freak out and I'm sure with some minor little tweaks things can go a lot easier for you.
I bet if you find a place that does like makeover stuff and you get a hairstyle idea from the person and some makeuo and clothing ideas that a LOT can change. But also, don't sacrifice who you are to conform. If you like wearing the black stuff then go for it. No one is here to tell you otherwise.
I agree with what most have said. Makeup, go more neutral. Lighten up you look. Hair, go for a ,ore feminine look.
Don't worry about looking skinny, because I am also slim.
wow some of you girls are so blunt honest :o. (reminds self NEVER do a post like this lol).
I think you look fine. Your pre-HRT and you got something to work with. I agree with the hair and make-up. Your clothes aren't exactly Female either. you got that Androg thing going on now.
I would really see a doctor and find out why you can't gain any weight. Your really skinny and your arms draw people right to your hands and thats not a good thing for a MTF.
Quote from: MsGiselle on April 09, 2010, 03:13:03 PM
wow some of you girls are so blunt honest :o. (reminds self NEVER do a post like this lol).
I think you look fine. Your pre-HRT and you got something to work with. I agree with the hair and make-up. Your clothes aren't exactly Female either. you got that Androg thing going on now.
I would really see a doctor and find out why you can't gain any weight. Your really skinny and your arms draw people right to your hands and thats not a good thing for a MTF.
If no one is honest how do you know what to work on :]
Quote from: shanetastic on April 09, 2010, 04:39:14 PM
If no one is honest how do you know what to work on :]
I agree with that. I been to other sites where everyone wouldn't do that.
Quote from: lilacwoman on April 09, 2010, 04:04:59 AM
black clothes are for men although some women can look pretty good in them but not a MtF...
Sorry lilacwoman I have to disagree, I wear the black Victorian Goth with black nail polish, dark eye shadow, I don't do the real black stuff around the eyes and I use red lip stick instead. I can walk down the main street no probs, walk past children and groups of teenagers not even a glance or s->-bleeped-<- and happily converse with whoever and no probs.
You can wear stuff that suits your build. Its finding the style that counts to pull it off. So if you like wearing black Goth, wear black Goth but maybe a different style of Goth.
Take care,
Stardust
Quote from: stardust on April 09, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
Sorry lilacwoman I have to disagree, I wear the black Victorian Goth with black nail polish, dark eye shadow, I don't do the real black stuff around the eyes and I use red lip stick instead. I can walk down the main street no probs, walk past children and groups of teenagers not even a glance or s->-bleeped-<- and happily converse with whoever and no probs.
You can wear stuff that suits your build. Its finding the style that counts to pull it off. So if you like wearing black Goth, wear black Goth but maybe a different style of Goth.
Take care,
Stardust
Totally agree. Black works ok for me too. Although not in a goth way...
I think the answer is that actually whilst people can give you advice on things to improve, you alone will really know whether you pass or not, because at least in part passing is not about looks alone it's about how you carry yourself.
You find out that you pass, for example, when you can repeatedly walk through groups of teenagers who are known to be regularly drunken and disruptive without attracting comment.
You pass when postop you can go to a hardline lesbian club and come out without anyone having rumbled you or complained at your presence. Or perhaps, as happened to one of the other postop girls on here a few weeks back, the man you have just slept with worries that you might get pregnant.
You pass when you can give talks on national radio, and public lectures in provincial halls and theatres all around a region without anyone questioning your gender based on either your looks or your voice.
All of the things I mention I have done. Yet I am not some ultra convincing perfect facsimilie of femininity with flawless style and fashion sense. I am living proof that they can be done even by someone who does not look stunning. I rarely wear makeup, my style is unconventional and all my own, I have had no plastic surgery beyond SRS. Yet evidently I do pass. So all that is really needed is to have looks which blend in, do not stand out as overly out of place, and have the right amount of self belief.
Bottom line you'll know it when you get it. Worry more about how you feel inside, and less about what others may think, because you must find out what works for you.
As for my suggestions:
- HRT will make a huge difference. And, of course, laser hair removal. It will take time, so be patient and don't give up hope. Don't put on too big of a load or expectation, especially in the first year -- you don't wanna end up depressed and giving up on yourself. Keep your chin up, and keep going. Things get better over time.
- If you're gonna do the goth/metal look, you're gonna have to do something with that make up and know how to apply it in a feminine way (the liner under your eyes, for example, is exaggerating how deep your eyes are and in turn exaggerates your brow). Ditch the black lip stick, 'cause that just screams noob. Goth is more than just clothing and make up, btw. I've been part of the scene for a very long time. Start going to some punk, goth, industrial/EBM, and metal clubs or shows. Get some ideas, but be yourself and original. Get to know the subculture -- it's wonderful and in the goth scene can be very supportive. Personally, I think the goth scene is more supportive than the metal and punk scene (my opinion). Make up, androgyny, and so on are a huge part of the goth scene. Gender isn't much of an issue with most goth scenes. Being goth is about expressing yourself, your creativity, and who you are (and also accepting those around you). (It's a misconception that it's about being "sad").
Quote from: stardust on April 09, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
Sorry lilacwoman I have to disagree, I wear the black Victorian Goth with black nail polish, dark eye shadow, I don't do the real black stuff around the eyes and I use red lip stick instead. I can walk down the main street no probs, walk past children and groups of teenagers not even a glance or s->-bleeped-<- and happily converse with whoever and no probs.
You can wear stuff that suits your build. Its finding the style that counts to pull it off. So if you like wearing black Goth, wear black Goth but maybe a different style of Goth.
Take care,
Stardust
I agree, black can hide a multitude of things and isn't a necessarily a male colour. But I think clothes is the least important thing in the transitional journey. If you look female, you will always look female no matter what you wear. I think in so many cases a male facial bone structure is the biggest problem male to females face.
I didn't read the other opinions so as not to be influenced by them... Criticism is intended to be constructive.
First off, you have some good female qualities - you are slender, you have a good head of hair and it's long. You don't have a large chest wall or broad shoulders. Nor do you have male musculature. As for the pics:
Pic 1 - I thought of Marylin Manson. Dark hair, white face, black rings around the eyes. Not passable as female.
Pics 2&4: ditto.
Pic 3 - There's a female quality to your pose with just a hint of a smile. You need to smile more.
Pic 5 accentuates your slender waist and upper body. Both pluses.
As for suggestions...
If you were full time I'd say get thyself to a hair salon! Immediately! Guys who grow their hair long typically don't take care of it. It gets frayed at the ends and it looks dried out and frizzy. But you can always go to a salon and ask them to clean it up, trim the split ends, condition it and make recommendations about how to keep your hair looking great (you don't have to say pretty but you can hint at it ;D). If you can color it or, if you're ready, highlight it, that would make a HUGE difference!
Your makeup is too washed out. You need color, and not black! Use a foundation that gives you a bit of a tan, but not too much. Use a lighter color on the neck and blend it up to the jaw line. That way you won't have a ring around your neck. Apply some blush on the cheeks, the tip of the nose, a touch on the chin and lightly across the top of your forehead.
When you use eyeliner, try using a very thin, flat topped brush
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Apply dark eye shadow (not eyeliner) thinly at the base of the lashes. Do the top completely. On the lower lid start at the center of your eye and work to the outer end. Don't do the inside.
You will need black mascara because of the color of your hair. Make sure the outer lashes are as long as you can get them. It widens the eyes. Choose a lighter eye shadow to decrease the depth (inset) of your eyes. It looks like you can use your natural lip shape for lipstick - no need to color "outside the lines". Stay away from dark lip colors, unless it's for more formal or evening wear. Pinks are probably the best choice, given your skin color.
As for your hair right now, if you don't get it styled, try to put some curl into it. An easy way is to wash it, condition it then apply a styling cream while still damp. (I love the Halo brand!) Comb it through your hair making sure not to break the strands. Get a good detangling comb if you don't have one and work from the ends, up.
Use Velcro rollers to set it.
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They are easy to use, but since your hair is so thick, you'll need a lot. You'll have to comb it out in small sections so as not to have too much hair on a roller. Roll it in the direction you want the curl to go. I'd say underneath for the bottom and towards the face around it, so it wraps your face. Make sure you hold your hair straight out, perpendicular to your scalp, before you begin rolling it. In front you want to make sure you do that so it will provide some lift.
Next, blow dry it with the setting on hot and when it's dry either let it cool naturally or use the blower with no heat to cool it. It needs to cool completely to hold the curl.
It seems like a lot of work but if you decide to do it, take some pics and post them.
I presume you are trying to go for a goth look. Unfortunately, it does you no favours. The lipstick and eye shadow is far too dark and the foundation is far too white. You look like a male goth, not female. Your hair also needs attention.
Get a good skin care regime, get a good cleanser, toner ad moisturise. Get a good medicated exfoliator for spots and breakouts Your hair length is fine but it needs styled and some of the weight taken out of it. Get a more natural foundation that matches your skin tone. Don't go for dark brown or black eye make up. If you want a goth look go for dark pinks or purples. Buy a book on make up and experiment with what suits you. I tend to go for pink or nude lip colour and wear light natural eye make up. I have deep set eyes so I don't go for the smoky eyed look as it recedes my eyes further and I look like I have been in a fight.
With make up it is very much, 'less is more' or more accurately, the appearance of less is more
Also, look at other girl's for fashion tips and dress to match your body shape. Any gender wears a t shirt and jeans look for more feminine tops or dresses but don't go too frilly. I don't suit big or busy patterns so I tend to go for blocks of colour. If you want to wear black, don't wear it from head to foot. Highlight it with colour such as red or pink to break up the gloom.
We are all the same at the start, fumbling around to find our look. After twenty years I am finally more comfortable with mine but I am still looking to improve it. Keep going, you will get there eventually.
Quote from: Julie Marie on April 10, 2010, 09:16:38 AM
I didn't read the other opinions so as not to be influenced by them... Criticism is intended to be constructive.
First off, you have some good female qualities - you are slender, you have a good head of hair and it's long. You don't have a large chest wall or broad shoulders. Nor do you have male musculature. As for the pics:
Pic 1 - I thought of Marylin Manson. Dark hair, white face, black rings around the eyes. Not passable as female.
Pics 2&4: ditto.
Pic 3 - There's a female quality to your pose with just a hint of a smile. You need to smile more.
Pic 5 accentuates your slender waist and upper body. Both pluses.
As for suggestions...
If you were full time I'd say get thyself to a hair salon! Immediately! Guys who grow their hair long typically don't take care of it. It gets frayed at the ends and it looks dried out and frizzy. But you can always go to a salon and ask them to clean it up, trim the split ends, condition it and make recommendations about how to keep your hair looking great (you don't have to say pretty but you can hint at it ;D). If you can color it or, if you're ready, highlight it, that would make a HUGE difference!
I don't like to say this but I completely agree with Julie. From the pics it doesn't look like you have started anything yet. You need to get a very different softer hairstyle and possibly have it layered, highlighted and cut into a female style to soften up the face.
I think you look great, like as metal band woman :D :D :D
Cheer :D
Well I got some courage to go to the makeup department in Dillards. (I usually just buy online) I picked up a shade of dark red lipstick and a different color cover up.
I'll see if they look any better on me
Quote from: MissLiliana on April 11, 2010, 12:16:07 PM
Well I got some courage to go to the makeup department in Dillards. (I usually just buy online) I picked up a shade of dark red lipstick and a different color cover up.
I'll see if they look any better on me
Gather a little more courage and ask the make-up department folks to work on you. Last October I, in boy-mode, walked right up to the employees and said "This is difficult for me to ask, but I was wondering if I could get some help with getting something to cover my beard shadow."
Thirty minutes later I had what I needed, and the moment I left the store I felt deliriously happy I'd managed to suppress my fears and do it.
Hey, what do you guys/gals think about this haircut?
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I like it!
Are you going to go that black? hehe
Quote from: shanetastic on April 11, 2010, 07:15:11 PM
I like it!
Are you going to go that black? hehe
I want to, and ive had my hair black before. It was actually dyed not to long ago, but it didn't turn out black like I wanted :( Im naturally a really dark brown
Quote from: MissLiliana on April 11, 2010, 07:24:41 PM
I want to, and ive had my hair black before. It was actually dyed not to long ago, but it didn't turn out black like I wanted :( Im naturally a really dark brown
ohhh okay.
I was just worried that it might wash you out if your on the whiter side. I can't tell for sure or not. I had my hair like a dark dark brown before and it made me look soooo ridiculously white so just make sure that doesn't happen too much! Well, of course unless you're going for that hehe :p
I like the hair idea.
Post Merge: April 12, 2010, 04:34:06 AM
And, there's nothing wrong with black hair. I have black hair (well, in my avitar it's not so black 'cause when I took that the combo of the lighting in my room, plus web cam, plus not dyed in a while the darker brown and reds showed up in my hair. LOL).
Post Merge: April 12, 2010, 05:35:43 AM
:P which reminds me, I need my hair cut again. o_0 I cut my own bangs last week, but I need a hair cut. My hair is driving me insane. Even with long hair, you needa get it cut every once in a while to give it good shape and layers. A good hair cut can make a huge difference.
I normally don't post in these threads, but I just wanted to tell you that you remind me of a natal female that I know. Especially around the eyes and your general overall build. Your haircuts are very similar as well. No advice, just wanted to tell you that as I was a little taken aback at first. :laugh:
I would definately say that from those first pictures that you aren't passing but you are doing better than I am.
I want to also, again, note -- HRT, HRT, HRT, HRT! Makes a difference. From a lot of experience with others, including myself, it can be very difficult to know if someone is gonna pass if they haven't really started HRT or transition yet. On that note, I know of some x-dressers with a lot of experience, not on hormones, who can pass, especially with a lot of work... but it takes work. Like, knowing what to wear and make up, etc. It's not an over-night thing, same thing with transitioning.
As for myself, I've just become incredibly lazy with doing much of anything 'cause after 4 years of HRT, I can get away walking around without make up, doing my hair, or doing much of anything. o_0 I'm actually surprised some days at how I don't get noticed. But, for the first year, couple of years, I had to work more at my appearance, clothing, and so on -- I got better over time, and so will you.
I've seen some amazing transformations, from people who you would never think they could pass before they were on HRT... but, amazing things happen on HRT + time. Passing is also not just looks and voice, but social cues, body language, and all that stuff. It takes time, but you'll get there.
You have positive attributes already, and that's great -- work with them. Starting with long hair is nice, 'cause at least you're not starting with short hair or a buzz cut or no hair. You're slim, so you can work with that. Make up can be learned (feel free to experiment, spend time in a mirror and play around, remove make up, and then try another look). Feel free to walk into a store and buy some make up (try a few cheaper colors to experiment with first -- find something that works, and then if you wanna go more expensive). A lot of boys buy make up, especially ones in the goth/metal/emo/etc communities... it's not really weird anymore. Not like the first time I bought eyeliner in the late '80s in a small, uber Christian town where the cashier said, "You're a boy, you can't buy this." I said it was for an "art project" and after weird looks, she sold it to me. I then later got beat up by school for wearing it, but that's another story.
These days, people really don't care. Same if you walk in and buy girl clothes. *shrugs* I just walked into the mall and bought it, even tried it on, and besides a few weird looks, most people didn't care. If the mall is a bit much, there's a lot of other small shops -- especially goth/metal/emo shops that will gladly take your money, let you try on clothes, and even give you tips on what looks good. Or, even go to a thrift store. Grab some clothes, go into the change room, and try them on.
You'd be surprised at how many people don't care, or actually will give you good advice. If you really feel uncomfortable, use the old stand-by story that it's for some crazy party.
:P Just be glad I'm not around... girls starting out transitioning don't like to be around me 'cause I've got a reputation for saying "lets go for coffee at the mall," and then dragging them into a woman's store with me and getting them to try on stuff, then going to the MAC store (or any make-up store, or even drug store) and putting make up on the (or getting the make-up artist to do that). I guess I'm a bit intense for some ppl's likings. o_0
Make-up stores are great, 'cause you get someone who knows make up and 9 times out of 10 the make-up girl or boy artist will love putting make-up on you and giving you tons of tips. Seriously, go into one of those stores and do it. Or, go with a girl you know, get some cheap make up together, then go home and let her experiment on you. Trust me, you'll both have tons of fun.
So, have fun with transition. Experiment. Do all kinds of things. Experimenting is the best (and funnest) way, in my opinion, to go about with make up, hair, clothes, etc. You'll also get a good make-up and fashion sense pretty quickly.
I guess I'm a bit head-on 'cause I was pretty determined. I won't lie and say it was easy at first. I actually first went out shopping with a cross-dresser via friend of a friend (I knew no one else in the trans community), and she dragged me to a huge, very busy store, walked with me down the isle, told me to pick a few things, then we went into line to buy them and she vanished, leaving me in line with woman's underwear. o_0 She was watching from afar to see if I would actually continue to stand in the long line and actually buy the clothes. I was scared and looking around. But, I did it. Best thing I ever did to start my transition. Then, we went to the next store, since I had underwear, it was time to find clothes. Again, picking clothes, and then I went by myself to the change room to ask if I could try the clothes on. I did it. Again, best (and scariest) thing I did. After that, it was putting on those clothes and taking public transit... I believe that I was frozen the whole time. But, I did it.
Every time after that, it got easier and easier to go out, get clothes, get make up, get all of those things, and also go out FT.
Quote from: gothique11 on April 12, 2010, 08:16:08 AM
I want to also, again, note -- HRT, HRT, HRT, HRT! Makes a difference.
In your opinion!
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 12, 2010, 08:52:39 AM
In your opinion!
Well, even if it doesn't work well, at least it makes a difference in knowing a different approach may be necessary.
Quote from: MissAshley on April 12, 2010, 01:26:58 PM
Well, even if it doesn't work well, at least it makes a difference in knowing a different approach may be necessary.
HRT is limited and sometimes surgery is the only answer!
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 12, 2010, 01:54:53 PM
HRT is limited and sometimes surgery is the only answer!
And sometimes not even that is enough...
Quote from: Megan on April 12, 2010, 01:56:36 PM
And sometimes not even that is enough...
Unfortunitely that's true!
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 12, 2010, 01:58:41 PM
Unfortunitely that's true!
Yippers. I'm keeping all of my expectations low. :laugh:
Quote from: MissAshley on April 14, 2010, 12:32:02 PM
Yippers. I'm keeping all of my expectations low. :laugh:
Me too!
Heres my attempt with some new makeup, I got some blush, and a new shade of lipstick
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2350/11504214.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2350/11504214.jpg)
Much better
Thanks :-*
I get my hair cut next tuesday
Post Merge: April 21, 2010, 03:36:44 PM
So i got my new haircut :laugh:
this is what I showed my hair dresser http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/544/936bcc7b.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/544/936bcc7b.jpg)
This is me!
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1277/53990988.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1277/53990988.jpg)
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9913/25851084.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9913/25851084.jpg)
I think that's a pretty big difference :] especially for your boymode looks!
I wish my hair looked like yours it's really nice!!!
Now you gotta take new photos for us in not boymode so we can compare the before and afters :]
WOW! You look fantastic with the new hair!
Should post a larger profile with an outfit or something, kind of hard to get a good idea based on that but yeah, looks much more feminine now :laugh:
Quote from: shanetastic on April 21, 2010, 06:08:16 PM
I think that's a pretty big difference :] especially for your boymode looks!
I wish my hair looked like yours it's really nice!!!
Now you gotta take new photos for us in not boymode so we can compare the before and afters :]
I updated the post :icon_chick:
we want clothes!!! :]
Wow, the hair makes a big difference :). Sometimes it's the small things are the most beneficial.
Quote from: MissLiliana on April 08, 2010, 09:54:38 PM
Thanks... I don't try to restrict my weight at all. I eat junk and drink plenty of soda.. I just cant seem to gain any weight no matter what I do, as far as my hair goes that's my natural color, I plan to get some new makeup. at least some new lipstick that isn't black, I was thinking a dark red. And the foundation I use is the middle shade I think, I might buy the warmer one and see how it goes.
Peanut butter and crackers, hardcore pasta, THC, less caffeine, and enough sleep.
My 2 cents is spent... I got nothing because of inflation. But I spent it anyway!
New outfit! :icon_chick:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9725/52051105.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9725/52051105.jpg)
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2725/69023830.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2725/69023830.jpg)
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4613/49409100.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4613/49409100.jpg)
oh my gosh what a GREAT dress!
And, by the way, i think you look WAY better in those pics than in the OP
Thanks! It was only $15! :icon_chick:
I want to commend you on being so brave to post originally, and to come back after the criticism you received. People forget that criticism is a good word meant to strengthen and assist the recipient. You've made such great improvements in such short time.
Don't pay attention to all of the strange remarks about your arms. Your arms look like my arms, and it sounds like you eat the same junk.
There are skinny people out there people!!! I think maybe people just get so used to fat people in America that they assume anyone without a bunch of fat is unhealthy.
I mean, you probably ARE unhealthy from the sounds of your diet--but not from not getting enough to eat. Sheesh!
The new pics look a lot better. Though the old ones were fine as well.
Much, much better
omg i so want that dress
jessica
Quote from: jesse on April 22, 2010, 02:15:49 AM
omg i so want that dress
jessica
its from cutesygirl it comes in a few diff colors :icon_chick:
Don't pay attention to all of the strange remarks about your arms. Your arms look like my arms, and it sounds like you eat the same junk.
There are skinny people out there people!!! SarahFaceDoom
Yeah...what Sarah said!! Quit hatin' on us skinny girls.
Liliana... you look great.
How am I passing?
A difficult question and better answered from a genetic female.
They will tell you straight where as we will be complimentary and not be so blunt.
I don't think I pass well although it can go either way. But my bodyshape and poor fat distribution is a dead giveaway.
I like the dress and everything looks so much better now too!!
Great job again on the haircut.
And don't worry about being skinny. I eat sooo much food too so I mean it happens sometimes. I just figure we'll get fat later when our metabolism slows down later on haha
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 22, 2010, 07:34:21 AM
A difficult question and better answered from a genetic female.
They will tell you straight where as we will be complimentary and not be so blunt.
That's not really true. I think we're our own worst critics as a community, plus we're more critical of minor flaws than someone not trained to look for them would be. Sort of like gaydar.
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on April 23, 2010, 01:30:09 AM
That's not really true. I think we're our own worst critics as a community, plus we're more critical of minor flaws than someone not trained to look for them would be. Sort of like gaydar.
Yeah... I have to wonder if she read the first two pages of the thread before saying that.
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on April 23, 2010, 01:30:09 AM
That's not really true. I think we're our own worst critics as a community, plus we're more critical of minor flaws than someone not trained to look for them would be. Sort of like gaydar.
I disagree, many of our non T friends and the general public are ruthless and will tell it like it is. Where as members of the T community forums will say 'you look lovely dear' even though it might not be anywhere near the truth. We are bound by rules and regulations not to say anything negative or constructive.
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 23, 2010, 09:24:47 AM
I disagree, many of our non T friends and the general public are ruthless and will tell it like it is. Where as members of the T community forums will say 'you look lovely dear' even though it might not be anywhere near the truth. We are bound by rules and regulations not to say anything negative or constructive.
many trans people can be ruthless too.
it's all about who the person is. I think trans people could be more harsh because we tend to over obsess about every little minuscule factor of our faces, body, etc. I think the general public can say whether we pass or not but not based on anything concrete that they can point out most of the time.
But I dunno and I think it really depends who you're running into.
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 23, 2010, 09:24:47 AM
I disagree, many of our non T friends and the general public are ruthless and will tell it like it is. Where as members of the T community forums will say 'you look lovely dear' even though it might not be anywhere near the truth. We are bound by rules and regulations not to say anything negative or constructive.
Read the beginning of this thread and some of the comments people left.
I need to go out shopping for some more clothes, that will probly help, I really have a limited selection.
I think your changes are going well. Your hair looks the same as my daughter's was a couple of months ago.
The only comment I would make is that your eyebrows could do with more of an arch shape to them.
I agree, arch eyebrows, I think you look fine, hon. (I just wish I was that thin!)
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on April 24, 2010, 02:19:00 AM
Read the beginning of this thread and some of the comments people left.
Yea, I was quite surprised by some of them.
Tough crowd here but everyone has your best interest at heart. I think you will be completely passable in time. I also have thin arms and bones and I consider these a big plus. HRT has worked worked very well on me and my guess is you will never be mistaken for the man you are not in time. Many would like to be starting from where you are.
Pam
You're looking better and better as you go. :)
I don't know why everybody says your arms are too skinny. I think they look perfect for your frame. I love your dress - you look absolutely hot.
really surprised by the beginning comments..I disagree with them entirely.
I think you just need to relax in the pictures more! :)
Otherwise, you look great.
hey, you've been doing some nice changes! I really like your new style and haircut :D
BTW you really look like a lady friend of mine... both look cute ^_^ are you planning to start hormones soon? Because I'm sure they're really going to help you to develop a more feminine look in your face and body, don't get me wrong, you look good right now and you seem to have potential, but I think hormones will help you a lot!
Quote from: Iceprincess on April 26, 2010, 11:31:57 AM
hey, you've been doing some nice changes! I really like your new style and haircut :D
are you planning to start hormones soon? Because I'm sure they're really going to help you to develop a more feminine look in your face and body, don't get me wrong, you look good right now and you seem to have potential, but I think hormones will help you a lot!
I'm really surprised by the over the top comments on this site regarding HRT.
HRT is not the holy grail or a special magic potion that will turn us all into a raving beauty or a page 3 model. Mostly the results for most people over the age of 14 years old are fairly limited. Depending on our genetic make up and inherited genes there is a huge variation in results from HRT.
Quote from: Rhalkos on April 26, 2010, 06:45:28 PM
Define 'limited'?
Ok I'm probably running the risk of the admins getting mad at me here, but I feel like I gotta say it.
Every 5th post of Naturally Blonde's is saying how HRT is virtually useless. She didn't get the results she wanted, and again Naturally Blonde I'm really sorry for that.
But seriously, she dismisses anybodies praise of it or personal experiences as an over exaggeration or anomaly, she says it can't do things people have PERSONALLY seen it do.
She thinks her experience has to be reality for everyone and that anyone elses experience is exaddurated.
I really don't like attacking people like this, and I'll probably get in trouble for it and probably rightfully so, but it's not right that she pretty much spends her time trying to practically deter people from going on it or telling them it's pointless because of her own personal bias and then has the arrogance to dismiss anybody elses opinion as exadduration or wishful thinking.
Seriously, check out her posting history, this is the 2nd post of this nature in a few minutes!
Quote from: Rhalkos on April 26, 2010, 08:04:01 PM
I have also noticed this.
I looked at the first page a little closer, approximately half of the posts are about how HRT doesn't work (I counted 7 out of I think 20)
You know, Naturally Blonde, if you just stated your opinions AS opinions I wouldn't really be making an issue out of it. But you always state it as fact and THEN you accuse people who challenge that with their own experiences of exaggeration.
Hey I think it's time to lay off Naturally Blonde. I don't like this whole "yeah, me too" and "if you weren't da, then da" aspect of where these threads are going. It feels as though people are ganging up on Naturally Blonde, when what we should be doing is trying to help her. When you say "I don't like attacking people... but" it's much like people who say "I'm not racist... but". Going so far as to count her negative posts and then putting the updates in multiple posts is going a bit too far, in my opinion. A simple, "Hey Naturally Blonde, can you please tone it down with the negative comments?" would have sufficed. Even better would have been sending her a private message, and asking her to tone things down, rather than exposing all of this on a public forum for all to see.
Quote from: andream on April 26, 2010, 09:28:24 PM
Hey I think it's time to lay off Naturally Blonde. I don't like this whole "yeah, me too" and "if you weren't da, then da" aspect of where these threads are going. It feels as though people are ganging up on Naturally Blonde, when what we should be doing is trying to help her. When you say "I don't like attacking people... but" it's much like people who say "I'm not racist... but". Going so far as to count her negative posts and then putting the updates in multiple posts is going a bit too far, in my opinion. A simple, "Hey Naturally Blonde, can you please tone it down with the negative comments?" would have sufficed. Even better would have been sending her a private message, and asking her to tone things down, rather than exposing all of this on a public forum for all to see.
This, and everyone, please, let's all take the chill pill, we don't need to make a drama about something this lame do we? specially over the internet :P
Quote from: andream on April 26, 2010, 09:28:24 PM
Hey I think it's time to lay off Naturally Blonde. I don't like this whole "yeah, me too" and "if you weren't da, then da" aspect of where these threads are going. It feels as though people are ganging up on Naturally Blonde, when what we should be doing is trying to help her. When you say "I don't like attacking people... but" it's much like people who say "I'm not racist... but". Going so far as to count her negative posts and then putting the updates in multiple posts is going a bit too far, in my opinion. A simple, "Hey Naturally Blonde, can you please tone it down with the negative comments?" would have sufficed. Even better would have been sending her a private message, and asking her to tone things down, rather than exposing all of this on a public forum for all to see.
I did send her a private message asking her to tone it down 3 months ago, she said she isn't going too because she's telling the truth.
I don't want to gang up on her either, but I don't think it's fair to the people that don't know to have her stating her, quite clearly unpopular opinion as if it were a fact.
Like I said, if she didn't have this "I'm right, everyone else is kidding themselves" attitude, it wouldn't bother me.
I'm just gonna make one last comment before I leave, because I have the feeling that nukes will start to fall into this thread and Hell is going to unleash:
This is something we tend to do in overclock.net and it's part of their TOS: If you're going to post something as a fact, post a link to a credible source, otherwise you post might be edited or deleted.
I guess we should add something similar to this place... you decide
Alright I am saying this one time.
QuoteRule 15. Items under discussion shall be confined to the subject matter at hand, members shall avoid taking the other users posts personally, and/or posting anything that can reasonably be construed as a personal attack.
Naturally Blonde has tried may things and has had no luck, so for her it does not work. So I am going to say this one time, Get back to the subject or this thread is closed.
Everyones hijacking my thread :o
on another note I bought some new boots and a purse that I had been eyeing for a while :icon_chick:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F31ZNTRH2X2L._SS360_.jpg&hash=850b925ff7f2ca4404946c920d0957478338d2fa)
Nice boots. I am jealous, I saw a pair of tan Diana Ferrari boots today at half price but I am saving the money for my first laser face session, which has had to be postponed to next week
Quote from: Ashley4214 on April 26, 2010, 10:21:33 PM
I did send her a private message asking her to tone it down 3 months ago, she said she isn't going too because she's telling the truth.
I don't want to gang up on her either, but I don't think it's fair to the people that don't know to have her stating her, quite clearly unpopular opinion as if it were a fact.
Like I said, if she didn't have this "I'm right, everyone else is kidding themselves" attitude, it wouldn't bother me.
I won't say another word about HRT! ;)
anyway, i think some of you were being a little too harsh. i think she looks nice. she's got a unique fashion sense. she looks like a beautiful, unique woman to me. sure, she could do some things with hair and makeup to look even more feminine, but couldn't we all...
MissLiliana,
I think you're very beautiful as is, though a more neutral make-up would do wonders for you. For your hair, I suggest finding something is kind of a blue-black or a black that has some other color in it because there are very few people in the world that can pull off straight black (even most people born with it look off).
And I love your dress and I love your boots and I wish I could wear both. xD