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Can anyone explain the whole 'horny MTF' thing to me?

Started by Carlita, September 19, 2012, 05:39:33 AM

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Natkat

Quote from: sandrauk on September 19, 2012, 10:43:43 AM
Now, did someone mention cake?
just so I will apear as a nice person.

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Well.. okay let me get this, this topic is about why some mtfs want to penetrain others with there penis? did I get it right?

I dont really understand why it should be less or more female or have anything to do with gender.
for guys some guys love to be penetained and some dont, for the ftm some people do use there part and some dont, I bet the same goes for mtf's as well as some cisgender women really like to be top and dominated while some dont.

and to face it, some guys/girl also think its pretty hot getting penetrained by a woman.
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For me its pretty strange to say that its just female or male sexualety.
I think it might be the most "easy" sexualety, and the sexualety who got less taboo, if your a girl who likes to be penetrained and a guy who likes to penetrain.

BUT.

being without jugment dosent mean its nessesarry the most common, or that its normal.

Sexually guys and girls are into alot of diffrent stuff but usunally we dont really get a normal view of how fluent it is because we are surounded by taboos of what is right and wrong sexually.

like its already mentions
from a gay-perspective, having a guy being top or bottom dosent make him more man or women, neither is having a lesbian penetrain another girl with a dildo gonna make her a man.

its just because the world want to make things simple they put up kategories for us.








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Michelle G

This thread makes me feel a bit better in knowing I'm not alone in some of my thoughts.

I always liked being with girls in intimate situations, I loved to explore their bodies, wishing I could have what they have, any sex while doing that was just a by-product of the situation...never my quest in the first place.

And with the disconnect I've had with my boy parts, sex was usually very awkward which led to apologizing and some embarrasment, the girl would think it was her fault, I would ensure them it was "me" ugh!

Also growing up, according to most girls I was an attractive guy and I would get hit on by them all the time...not a bad thing as I enjoyed the attention regardless that I was in boy mode on the outside but all girl on the inside. Never ever physically attracted to males at all even though I have many gay as well as straight friends.

Mother Nature is SO cruel..grrrr
Just a "California Girl" trying to enjoy each sunny day
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Seyranna

It's a natural consequence of having high testosterone... Maybe your testosterone has always been below average that's all.

That being said I used to have a very active libido before T blockers destroyed it but I never seemed to have the "predator" instinct that so many men seem to have too.
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cynthialee

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: Carlita on September 19, 2012, 05:39:33 AMMy point is, I can't imagine having that regular, male dick-centered sex-drive, and being TS. I'm not saying it's wrong, or doesn't exist, or makes anyone less of a TS. I just don't personally get it.

So can anyone please explain how a person can be driven to f*** like a man, but not feel like a man, or want to be a man?

How is it that there are girls on here wondering how they can maintain their erections?



What I was talking about had nothing to do with what you refer to as, "dick-centered sex-drive" or maintaining erections.

If you pumped a young girl full of testosterone every day for the rest of her life, even if you gave her electrolysis and gave her only sundresses to wear it would change how she experienced life.  Just imagine how much it would change her perspectives if instead of being able to get pregnant she was able to impregnate others.  But maybe she would still think of herself as a woman, why not?

I'm not sure there is an answer here.  There is no "right or wrong", there is just humanity.

Going from M2F is not generally a "smooth" transition.  I don't even know why... but I used to concern myself (a little bit) with who was a "real" transsexual and who wasn't.  But don't fall into that trap.  There is no such thing as a "real" transsexual.  The "reality" is what you do with your life.

The facts are simply that testosterone generally has an influence on how people act and think, sometimes even years after transition.  But even more powerful than testosterone (perhaps) is ego.  Ego can be just as powerful a drug.

The sexual activity that I encountered at conventions was basically a lot of people who were doing things as a result of testosterone.  It had nothing to do with boners or "dick-centeredness".  Transition can be embarrassing and awkward, it can be ugly...  Transition can be creepy.  Transition can be all those things that puberty generally is.  Transition can seem worse though because by the time most people transition they are much better at psychological projection than they were during puberty.

Quote"Projecting our problems onto other people"

Psychological projection is the phenomenon whereby
one projects one's own thoughts, motivations, desires,
feelings, and so on onto someone else - http://karlrwolfe.com/psychological-projection.html

Psychological projection really puts the creep in creepy, it's what causes someone else's actions to make us feel dirty, simply by observing them.

I think this whole issue is about the observer more so than the observed.  I have a friend who is hyper-sexual.  She can't seem to get enough sex with strangers.  She has had SRS and seems to be going ape szhit.  When I look at her I recognize that her behavior is unhealthy and I see that she is giving herself away like worn-out hand-me-down clothes.  Like what she has to offer has no value, no worth, no utility.  She never even get's to know her sex partners.  I feel like I need to help her to see what she is doing to herself and the risk she is putting herself in.  But it's her life.  And talking to her about it just makes me less of a friend in her mind.

Really this is the kind of sexuality I am talking about.

Sexuality that is risk with no real reward.  Like behavior that is mindless, driven...  For whatever reason.  Whether it is caused by a powerful drug called testosterone or whether someone is reliving childhood trauma in a mis-guided effort to gain mastery over past experiences.

Really it's about me (the observer) or simply that there tends to be a lot of sexual acting out at gender conventions.

I see sexuality as a way to bond with a partner.  Intimacy for the sake of closeness.  Getting to know someone.  A relationship.  So for me anything else falls short of my desires for myself.  And the further it seems to fall from my desires, the less I am able to understand the motivation.

Nothing is either right nor wrong but some things would appear to be more expedient than others.  Apparently we don't all relate to things the same way.

In my experience there tends to be a lot of sexual activity at gender conventions.  For whatever that is worth.

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Julie Wilson

I guess perhaps it is about mindfulness.

Some people seem more like insects than others.  They don't really ever make any conscious decisions, they simply act on instinct.  Eat, poop, mate, die.  "I am hungry, I eat."  "I am horny, I hump."  "I feel empty, I hump."  "I feel sad, I eat."  "I lack confidence, I hump."  "I feel sad, I drink."  "I'm lonely and un-fulfilled, I get high."

The insect only knows how to eat, hump and die so he or she tends to solve problems with food, sex and drugs.

There are a lot of insects out there and a vast number of them are human.  And that tends to be perfectly "normal", it's the way it is and always has been.  And insects have feelings, often more so than mindful human beings because an insect is more likely to react to a feeling than someone who is more mindful.  An insects feelings are it's operating system.

Personally I believe the following is one way to avoid living like an insect - http://www.mro.org/zmm/teachings/meditation.php 
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Kevin Peña

Ok, personally, I would get SRS if I lived with different circumstances (I can't afford thousands of dollars or a long recovery period since the job I want, firefighter//paramedic, is very physical). However, if I have to keep my penis, I would gladly use it. It's like a bike; if you have one, you might as well use it, right? One of my guy friends actually had a girl use a dildo in his backside, so I don't think anything is concrete for genders. They were both straight cis folks, by the way.

I would rather get "drilled" by a guy until the cows come home, but if I love him, can maintain an erection somehow, and he wants me to do some of the work for once, why not? Who knows, it might be fun. After all, I've always been one to try anything once. If I don't like it, I just won't do it ever again. No harm, no foul.

PS--> Glad to see I'm not the only hump-crazy, intimacy-loving lady on this site.

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on September 19, 2012, 04:48:46 PM
I guess perhaps it is about mindfulness.

Some people seem more like insects than others.  They don't really ever make any decisions, they simply act on instinct.  Eat, poop, mate, die.  "I am hungry, I eat."  "I am horny, I hump."  "I feel empty, I hump."  "I feel sad, I eat."  "I lack confidence, I hump."  "I feel sad, I drink."

The insect only knows how to eat, hump and die so he or she tends to solve problems with food, sex and drugs.

Well, seeing as to how I can do so much more than that, I for one must be a very smart insect.  :P What's wrong with relieving your hornyness with sex? It seems like the logical progression and people can do whatever they want with their significant others.

Also, if you feel hungry, I hope that you eat, otherwise you eventually die.  :P
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Julie Wilson

It's bigger than that.

Some people feel hungry so they eat.
Some people feel sad so they eat.
Some people feel lonely so they eat.
Some people feel angry so they eat.
Some people feel threatened so they eat.
Some people feel powerless so they eat.

Eat, hump... drink, smoke...

Pick your solution.

What I am saying is most people aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture.  And instead operate on impulses, emotions and "feelings".

Some people feel lonely so they drink.
Some people feel sad so they drink.
Some people feel like failures so they drink.
Some people have never gotten their Szhit together so they drink.
etc.

making sense now?

Some people try to solve all their problems with sex.

Make more sense now?

It's just part of the picture.

Insects only know how to eat, hump and die.  Many people resemble insects.  Sorry I didn't explain it well enough in my previous post, hopefully this will do.
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Natkat

Quote from: peky on September 19, 2012, 02:49:44 PM
Still, beauty is a must, so the  Danish cookies still get my full attention   :angel:

cookies??

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Snowpaw

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on September 19, 2012, 05:15:33 PM
It's bigger than that.

Some people feel hungry so they eat.
Some people feel sad so they eat.
Some people feel lonely so they eat.
Some people feel angry so they eat.
Some people feel threatened so they eat.

Eat, hump... drink, smoke...

Pick your solution.

What I am saying is most people aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture.  And instead operate on impulses, emotions and "feelings".

Some people feel lonely so they drink.
Some people feel sad so they drink.
Some people feel like failures so they drink.
Some people have never gotten their Szhit together so they drink.

Some people try to solve all their problems with sex.

Make more sense now?

No it doesn't.
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Ave

Quote from: DianaP on September 19, 2012, 05:06:50 PM
Ok, personally, I would get SRS if I lived with different circumstances (I can't afford thousands of dollars or a long recovery period since the job I want, firefighter//paramedic, is very physical). However, if I have to keep my penis, I would gladly use it. It's like a bike; if you have one, you might as well use it, right? One of my guy friends actually had a girl use a dildo in his backside, so I don't think anything is concrete for genders. They were both straight cis folks, by the way.

I would rather get "drilled" by a guy until the cows come home, but if I love him, can maintain an erection somehow, and he wants me to do some of the work for once, why not? Who knows, it might be fun. After all, I've always been one to try anything once. If I don't like it, I just won't do it ever again. No harm, no foul.

PS--> Glad to see I'm not the only hump-crazy, intimacy-loving lady on this site.

Well, seeing as to how I can do so much more than that, I for one must be a very smart insect.  :P What's wrong with relieving your hornyness with sex? It seems like the logical progression and people can do whatever they want with their significant others.

Also, if you feel hungry, I hope that you eat, otherwise you eventually die.  :P

you mean topping?!?!

lol I couldn't. Just not my thing and never will be, besides i'd laugh at the idea of a grown guy asking a little waif to top him XD.

**besides, as a lot of mtf here on hrt will tell you, topping may never be an option after a while :D**
I can see me
I can see you
Are you me?
Or am I you?
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Natkat

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on September 19, 2012, 04:32:07 PM
I think this whole issue is about the observer more so than the observed.  I have a friend who is hyper-sexual.  She can't seem to get enough sex with strangers.  She has had SRS and seems to be going ape szhit.  When I look at her I recognize that her behavior is unhealthy and I see that she is giving herself away like worn-out hand-me-down clothes.  Like what she has to offer has no value, no worth, no utility.  She never even get's to know her sex partners.  I feel like I need to help her to see what she is doing to herself and the risk she is putting herself in.  But it's her life.  And talking to her about it just makes me less of a friend in her mind.
I dont think it makes you less a friend to worry whatever or not its healthy.
if she really enjoy to be with whoever she want sure its fine,
But being hyper-sexual as in dignose is an addiction like drinking or smoking, and can be troublesome.
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Snowpaw

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on September 19, 2012, 05:23:25 PM

bummer

Yeah, not knowing what to say when a person refers to all people as insects for living and feeling. Bummer, I mean it sucks feeling that the only way one can be happy is meditation and ripping on the human race.
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: Snowpaw on September 19, 2012, 05:26:02 PM
Yeah, not knowing what to say when a person refers to all people as insects for living and feeling. Bummer, I mean it sucks feeling that the only way one can be happy is meditation and ripping on the human race.


No, I mean it's a bummer that you aren't able to appreciate what I am saying without twisting my words and accusing me of stuff that I never intended.

Kinda sad really.  But a good reminder to avoid posting.
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Ave on September 19, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
you mean topping?!?!

lol I couldn't. Just not my thing and never will be, besides i'd laugh at the idea of a grown guy asking a little waif to top him XD.

**besides, as a lot of mtf here on hrt will tell you, topping may never be an option after a while :D**

Oh well. It would have been nice to try, but I think you may be right. Not many guys would actually ask a lady to go down on them.  :laugh:

Quote from: Snowpaw on September 19, 2012, 05:26:02 PM
Yeah, not knowing what to say when a person refers to all people as insects for living and feeling. Bummer, I mean it sucks feeling that the only way one can be happy is meditation and ripping on the human race.
Quote from: Noey Noonesson on September 19, 2012, 05:30:19 PM

No, I mean it's a bummer that you aren't able to appreciate what I am saying without twisting my words and accusing me of stuff that I never intended.

Kinda sad really.  But a good reminder to avoid posting.

Ladies, no need to get into a cyber cat-fight. Let's just be civil and agree that everyone has their own opinions.
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Violet Bloom

  In my life everyone who was irresponsibly over-sexual ridiculed me for not wanting to be that way.  I never said a thing to any of them about their habits.  The problem goes both ways.

  Quite seriously there are plenty of people on this earth who live like mindless insects and it causes all sorts of problems that they are not willing to own up to.  If this is not you then you shouldn't take it personally.

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Snowpaw

Quote from: Noey Noonesson on September 19, 2012, 05:30:19 PM

No, I mean it's a bummer that you aren't able to appreciate what I am saying without twisting my words and accusing me of stuff that I never intended.

Kinda sad really.  But a good reminder to avoid posting.

Look, I just want to apologize for the snippy posts... Today has just been a horrible day for me and what with being told im fat then some other things I have come to realize I don't really belong anywhere. Please don't stop posting, if you were referring to me to stop posting I understand. Peace. Again very sorry :/
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Adam (birkin)

(Eurgh, this is my third attempt trying to reply to this thread, let's see if I scrap this one too).

I think we have already established that all women, cis or trans, can be very sexual and have that basic "hump" instinct, so I won't go there. And the whole cisgender women using strap-ons, too.

But I think we need to consider issues of context, as well. As a transgender man, I have a bit of an advantage - I can enjoy my outside bit without ever having to use the "hole." Having a vagina is certainly not ideal, and God willing, I won't have it forever. I've never used it nor do I have any desire to. But an important point to consider is that I've never had to. I've only been with a cisgender woman. It's conveniently worked out. Between some creativity on my part and my "prosthetic", I can give a cisgirl a lot of pleasure, because of the way she is configured. Everyone wins and it doesn't take a lot of effort all in all.

But what if I was with someone with a penis? It's something I never considered, because I never really had to. Besides the fact that going through the "back" does very little for me, a big part of sex (imo) is that face to face intimacy. If my partner didn't have a vagina, it's sort of hard to achieve that. Not impossible...but it would require some acrobatics which is not my forté. :P If using my vagina would let me have that sort of intimacy with someone I love, you know what, it's something I'll consider. Dysphoria is a big thing, certainly, but it's not everything, and if there is a level of trust and understanding...I think that would have an awfully strong chance of working out. But I'd only do it with someone I really cared about. It would never, ever be a casual thing, because I'd have to be sure they saw me as a guy, and that they respected the fact that opening up the "cave of wonders" is a pretty big deal for me.

So similarly, if a trans woman has her penis, and it's the easiest/most intimate way to be with her partner...why not? It might not be ideal for her either, but it's working with what you have.

I also don't think that acting on one's baser instincts makes one an "insect." My father is quite hedonistic, and that has led to some issues with him in the past, but he certainly isn't an insect. A bit lost, but not an insect.
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Padma

Quote from: edderkopp on September 19, 2012, 06:23:22 PM
I also don't think that acting on one's baser instincts makes one an "insect." My father is quite hedonistic, and that has led to some issues with him in the past, but he certainly isn't an insect. A bit lost, but not an insect.
Well sure - if he was an insect, you couldn't be a spider ;D.
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