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Are all bags for men considered "gay" or "effeminate"?

Started by Wolf Man, October 16, 2012, 10:25:51 AM

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Violet Bloom

Quote from: DianaP on October 16, 2012, 05:22:54 PM
Well, I appreciate the sentiment. I just really don't like these girly men society is raising today. Is it so wrong that I just want my men to be men? (I know it's ironic coming from someone like me, but I don't care  :P)

I work in customer service.  I wish men would NOT be men because they keep treating me like sh*t!

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Arch

My briefcase is heavy enough to be a lethal weapon when fully loaded. Not femmy in the least.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Wolf Man

Arch, that's a briefcase though. Those are obviously designated to the male category for such reasons :P

Ayden, that's in Japan. The whole effeminate look is highly prominent among Japanese men and fashion is another thing prominent in the cities there.

I still appreciate you two saying that it would be fine, so thank you :)

Everyone can keep on adding their opinions, as this would generally be interesting, but I feel that I'm ready to set aside my worries and the negative opinions of others. I'm totally buying this as a gift to myself for my 21st birthday this coming Monday  ;)
I'll be there someday, I can go the distance
I will find my way, If I can be strong
I know every mile, Will be worth my while

When I go the distance, I'll be right where I belong
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Joelene9

  Men in the past carried bags.  Remember the post Civil War history of the profiteers who went south to make a profit off of the defeated Confederate citizens?  Carpetbaggers. 
  I had a older fellow in my shop that worked on the telephone lines in the 50's and 60's.  He had some of his old gear in the shop.  He was sick one day when a crew of managers came in and was cleaning out "unnecessary" stuff out of our benches.  Well, one of the young anorexic clerks went back to see something else and came across a nicely preserved leather bag on that pile and went into hysterical laughter. 
  That bag looked like on the outside like something leather that Gucci and Armani would make.  It was and old gear bag the linemen used and it had pockets inside for tools.  It was those old gear bags that the fashion designers used to start the trend for women having them.  Leather was replaced with ballistic nylon for the gear bags. 

  Joelene
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tekla

Well you could take the totally LA approach and hire a personal assistant to carry it all for you.  Of course that does not solve the  "gay" or "effeminate" problem as all personal assistants in LA are either flaming or female.
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=celestica=

don't.
Jesus.
I want to wear andro clothing and cut my hair dyke short and get my whole body inked but I can't.
I'm trans, I don't want anything to make me stand out.

Guy with a bag = will definitely stand out (at least where I'm at in Texas)
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Joann

How about good ole belt (fanny) packs? I used to use them for day long walks. They do everything a purse will do but say nothing feminine.
I call them a androgyn purse.
♪♫ You dont look different but you have changed...
I'm looking through you,. Your not the same ♪♫ :)
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: Joann on October 17, 2012, 08:48:50 AM
How about good ole belt (fanny) packs? I used to use them for day long walks. They do everything a purse will do but say nothing feminine.
I call them a androgyn purse.


I call them "tourist identification system". Fanny packs are a crime against fashion. Never, ever again. I have seen people walking with what looked like Batman's utility belt. Imagine a fanny pack with aditional holders for cans, camera.... Everything built into the packs. More like Batman, it was like seeing Duffman.
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Wolf Man

Yeah, fanny packs are for tourists, old people, shop vendors, security positions, etc. They're specific to things.

As for standing out, I probably won't. Not in a bad way anyhow. I work at the happiest place on earth, which is already considered gay enough already  :P Plus, I live in good ol' blue California. I'll probably stand out though once I get my tattoo sleeves.
I'll be there someday, I can go the distance
I will find my way, If I can be strong
I know every mile, Will be worth my while

When I go the distance, I'll be right where I belong
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Ayden

Quote from: Wolf Man on October 17, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
Ayden, that's in Japan. The whole effeminate look is highly prominent among Japanese men and fashion is another thing prominent in the cities there.

I still appreciate you two saying that it would be fine, so thank you :)

Everyone can keep on adding their opinions, as this would generally be interesting, but I feel that I'm ready to set aside my worries and the negative opinions of others. I'm totally buying this as a gift to myself for my 21st birthday this coming Monday  ;)

Yep. But, I am from Alaska, and guys do the same thing there. I was saying no one in the states would bat an eyelash at a messenger bag - it isn't a fanny pack.

I was also making the point that "effeminate" depends on where you live. Texas men are considered effeminate by some Alaskans, and American men are considered effeminate in certain parts of the world. If you want the bag, just get it. Who cares?  :laugh:

Edit: Also, since apparently everyone assumes that Japanese men are "girly". It is actually not as common here as most people think. Most of the men wear suits or western male fashion. The media portrayal of men here =/= the actuality. Just like the idea that all Japanese women are sweet and adorable or how Japanese folks assume that all American men are Brad Pitt and all American women are loose.
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peky

very very very gay and uber effeminate. No self respecting red blooded American Dude would be caught dead carrying a "bag"
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Ayden

Quote from: peky on October 17, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
very very very gay and uber effeminate. No self respecting red blooded American Dude would be caught dead carrying a "bag"

Really? My Dad is a straight Republican Christian from the south who retired from the military. He carries a messenger bag everywhere. Pretty sure my father is a self respecting red blooded American dude. Its a matter of practicality.
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: peky on October 17, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
very very very gay and uber effeminate. No self respecting red blooded American Dude would be caught dead carrying a "bag"

Um, maybe they're so secure with their masculinity that they're not afraid to use bags.   :laugh:

Ok, on a more serious note, I really don't like how "gay" has become synonymous with "weird", "girly" or "lame" these days. It seriously pisses me off. So, once again, a bag isn't gay.

THIS IS GAY\/\/\/



or this



Other acceptable definitions include "Happy" or "Colorful". Thank you, handy dandy pocket dictionary.
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Wolf Man

When I used "gay" here, I literally meant "Do bags make me fall into the homosexual category?" I mean gay as in gay. Not gay as is lame or girly. Though you could argue girly since it's a stereotype for gay men to be girly. That's totally something else though, so let's not.
I'll be there someday, I can go the distance
I will find my way, If I can be strong
I know every mile, Will be worth my while

When I go the distance, I'll be right where I belong
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tekla

I swear that some days when I'm reading this stuff in here I have to check the calender to make sure we haven't somehow slipped back in time 50 years or so.

Yeesh, I see lots of people - men and women, gay or not - using some sort of 'personal organizing system' - be it a 'messenger type bag', a satchel, a brief case with a strap, or some sort of backpack.  People here - a modern, urban Cosmopolitan environment - just have too much stuff to lug around with them, particularly if they are commuting in a way that not personally waging war on the planet.  So if your on a bike, mass transit, bus, light rail, train, or just walking your going to need some survival stuff be it bike gear (gloves, riding clothes assuming your work does not want to to show up physically stinking) or mass transit stuff like MP3 players and books.  Everyone has a phone, many have some sort of pad/laptop, even those of us who try to avoid dragging computers and pads, and chords have a notebook, or nice portfolio (I kinda like using my non-electric pad and pen, it scares people, though I'm not sure why - perhaps its me).  Only a fool goes anywhere in the Bay Area without another layer because the weather changes according to geographic location and the hour, it used to be just the women who wore trainers on their way to and from the job, and have heels for business hours, but I see lots of guys doing it these days too (but not heels, yeesh), perhaps they are biking or walking.  Other guys - real guys, manly macho men doing manly things that make them smell bad at the end of the day - carry their work boots - I know I do.  Because after walking the 25+ miles I cover during an average/routine show (yes, we've put a ped on me) that lasts 12-18 hours I sure as hell want to get those heavy (high, leather,steel-toed and all) things off my feet and slip into my trainers.  And hey, if you don't like it, or think its somehow effeminate (hysterical considering I'm most likely wearing pink lace underwear) I'll just whack you up side of the head with one.  Or just let those boots get close enough to you that the smell alone will kill you.

And I don't know about Texass (and neither does anyone else in this country either), but I've never seen bike messenger bags as "gay" or "effeminate" - and I don't see the real highly gay people, or the fems wearing them.  Hell damn few girls wear them because the strap doesn't quite work well with boobies (so I'm told).  They are pretty much a male fashion accessory, and one highly preferred by the bike/bus people (because Buckminster Fuller was right about form following function).

The one that WolfMan is getting has young lawyer/college prof (maybe screenwriter) written all over it (and all over it's price tag too).  I doubt that anyone in LA is going to find it either "gay" or "effeminate". 

And a fanny pack?  Really?  Unless your jogging along the coast or skiing up in the Sierras I can't think of any appropriate use for them in this state unless you're trying to pretend you're from Ohio or something.

Oh, by the way... self respecting red blooded American Dudes don't give a stale turd in a toilet about what anyone else thinks about them, that's the 'self-respecting' part.


I just really don't like these girly men society is raising today
Maybe you might be more comfortable in a different culture.  I hear Somalia is real butch.  Lots of guns, almost as many as Texas.  And 'society' ain't doing nothing, people make choices.  You can like their choices, dislike their choices, or be apathetic as all get out (my personal choice) about them - pretty much makes no difference.  Opinions about society and 50 cents can get you a phone call, if you can find a pay phone anymore.

I mean, really, what exactly bothers you?  Not enough Hell's Angels, gangbangers and violent felons about these days?  Is football in jeopardy because all the guys have gone soft and now want to play canasta instead?  Are all the bars and brothels closing?  Not enough Harley-Davidsons, and mid-life crisis sports cars being sold?  While it might be true that violent crime is dropping, its' because today's modern now a go-go man is into the white collar crime wave - all the loot and none of that pesky jail time.
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Anteros

Quote from: DianaP on October 16, 2012, 05:22:54 PM
Well, I appreciate the sentiment. I just really don't like these girly men society is raising today. Is it so wrong that I just want my men to be men?

What's wrong is that you feel it's your place to tell men - or anyone - how to act. I think I'm going to carry a fruity little handbag with me tomorrow. I know you won't really care but it makes me feel better to think that I'm being spiteful  :)

I wish I could find a little excerpt I read by an ancient Roman author about "the girly men society is raising today." He was talking about guys removing their body hair and wearing sheer togas as if it was something that was in any way very important.
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Jamie D

Are all bags for men considered gay or effeminate?



Does this guy look effeminate?
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tekla

No, he looks 'postal' which is synonymous with 'deranged killer opens fire with automatic weapons at work.'
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V M


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Apples Mk.II

Today I decided to observe the people around me in the metro, instead of reading Dracula on my Kindle or playing Ace Attorney. Most of the business suit dudes were carrying something like this:



In the brightest neon colors. Yup, it's a lunchbox. So it seems like people don't care anymore about the looks. Would it look so bad in the U.S.?

For the same purpose, I have to carry this 3 out of five work days:



People will ask me If I am going to an event or something like that, thinking it is the camera bag...
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