apparently, most ts women are extremely feminine. so, why do you think there are less women who are in tune with their feminine side? what makes a woman feminine?

I think you should be yourself,that is what makes you unique. What makes a person is what they believe in and being true to oneself,femininity is different for everyone I think,to me even Beast, of the beauty and the beast had a touch of femininity. Each person will probably say femininity is something different in their view. I dont know.

Hmmmm
I think why?
"why who she is"  That's what i think..
Feminity is displayed in the most curious of ways by the displayer and women all seem to display that in so very different tones,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Ricki

If I may be permitted, I would like to recommend a wonderful book that answers this question quite succinctly. I am now reading it for the 4th time, and every time I read it, I get a little more out of it.  It was given to me as a gift by a GG friend a couple of years ago when I was just coming out full time.

The title is "What Makes a Woman Very Sexy", by Julia Grice.  It was written for natal women, but it can be applied to transwomen as well. It covers things like walking, talking, toying with your hair, smiling and shrugging your shoulders..... all the subtleties that make a woman a woman. Most of it is based on a plethora of surveys that Julia conducted amongst men.

I don't have any financial interest in the book, I am simply endorsing it because it has helped me immensely.  It has transformed me into a world class flirt!   

Pam

Quote from: Feral Cat on April 06, 2007, 12:53:30 AM
If I may be permitted, I would like to recommend a wonderful book that answers this question quite succinctly. I am now reading it for the 4th time, and every time I read it, I get a little more out of it.  It was given to me as a gift by a GG friend a couple of years ago when I was just coming out full time.

The title is "What Makes a Woman Very Sexy", by Julia Grice.  It was written for natal women, but it can be applied to transwomen as well. It covers things like walking, talking, toying with your hair, smiling and shrugging your shoulders..... all the subtleties that make a woman a woman. Most of it is based on a plethora of surveys that Julia conducted amongst men.

I don't have any financial interest in the book, I am simply endorsing it because it has helped me immensely.  It has transformed me into a world class flirt!   

Pam

I got this book a couple weeks ago based on this recommendation.  I got it online for a penny plus about $3 for shipping.  I'm about 85% done with it, but I have found that many of the behaviors it describes were ones that I was already doing.  In fact, I think I was unintentionally doing that even back when trying to live like a guy.  No wonder it didn't work.  Anyways, it does give me something to focus on and there are a few things I can improve on, but in general I've been having pretty good success since going fulltime and now I at least know what I was doing right.   I think in some ways I had an advantage growing up around guys since I knew what turned a lot of them on.

What makes a woman feminine? Being herself and being confident and proud of it.

In the classical sense, I believe that femininity is best expressed by someone who:

- is alluring (not necessarily in a sexual way)
- takes care of herself
- has a sense of humor
- freely expresses love
- is slow to anger
- smiles a lot
- has a sense of class (not necessarly in a materialistic way)
- her actions are deliberate and not wild
- is compassionate
- enjoys life
- demonstrates motherly instincts
- is considerate
- is honest
- is slightly irrational at times
- can honestly cry

Paris Hilton is not feminine! 

Cindi

Quote from: Cindi Jones on May 10, 2007, 06:06:04 PM

Paris Hilton is not feminine! 

Cindi

Yep and she gives a bad name to women.

LLL&R

Maebh

One word....

Attitude

Im strong, Im beautiful, I'm fierce, and loveing   >

What makes a woman feminine?

I really don't know. I do know what doesn't make a transwoman feminine and that is the affected gestures and walk that I see so many T's display.

One word: the soul.

You cannot hide the soul behind clothing, or hairstyle, or even mannerisms.

It shines through the eyes, and the voice celebrates it, like a song.

And it is not related to being male or female.

JMNSHO   

learning to be, and express, herself.

there really is no need to dissect.

we are what we are. there is no us and them.

we are just us.

"What Makes a Woman Very Sexy", by Julia Grice.

There is another book that I am now reading for the second time.
Title: "Femininity"
Author: Susan Brownmiller.
It's a wonderful read for those who want to know what it's like to grow up and be a girl.

The actual word "Feminine" is derived from Artistic. Men and Women both can be feminine as we know. But as a man let me say this.... what attracts me to a woman is her essense, she does not have the essense of a man, she has something within her that is woman ( her soul, spirit, something in there). Now she can display it with what we consider social feminine qualities, but feminine alone does not make a woman a woman, her essense does. this is just my opinion from the male perspective.

Peace Lovely Ladies!

Taylor

Call me old fashioned but it's something going out of style quite quickly and it will be one of the worlds greatest losses.  Femininity is something that allows a woman to become a lady, it permits a lady to perform in a manner than she can act in disguise and still act with grace. It is also a side to a woman that can show gentleness and express confidence with style. I could go on but I'm sure there are many who disagree,  alas the times we live in.

Nice legs, high heels, trim waist, makeup, earrings lipstick ,her big eyes , smile hairstyle, delicate demeanor, and yes boobs are nice to display too.  Unfortunately, the unfeminine qualities of women today are the consequence of being liberated. It goes with the territory.  Most of us have detached ourselves from the traditional ways of rearing young girls.  We instill the notion that a girl is absolutely no different than a boy.  Laughable as it may be, Nonetheless, it has become the mainstay of the liberation movement.  Many women like us do not like what the female has become. Hence, they ask the same question you just asked.
There is nothing wrong with being a traditional woman with all the feminine qualities.

Quote from: Fer on May 22, 2007, 02:04:27 PM
Nice legs, high heels, trim waist, makeup, earrings lipstick ,her big eyes , smile hairstyle, delicate demeanor, and yes boobs are nice to display too.  Unfortunately, the unfeminine qualities of women today are the consequence of being liberated. It goes with the territory.  Most of us have detached ourselves from the traditional ways of rearing young girls.  We instill the notion that a girl is absolutely no different than a boy.  Laughable as it may be, Nonetheless, it has become the mainstay of the liberation movement.  Many women like us do not like what the female has become. Hence, they ask the same question you just asked.
There is nothing wrong with being a traditional woman with all the feminine qualities.

Ditto, couldn't have said it any better

Quote from: Fer on May 22, 2007, 02:04:27 PM
Nice legs, high heels, trim waist, makeup, earrings lipstick ,her big eyes , smile hairstyle, delicate demeanor, and yes boobs are nice to display too.  Unfortunately, the unfeminine qualities of women today are the consequence of being liberated...

Let me guess, you're young, pretty and easily passable? If you weren't, would you still make the same comment? And can you make the same comment in 10, 20 or 30 years? And what's wrong with being liberated? What's wrong about being a strong, confident, independent, liberated woman and let your femininity be what it is? If you want to believe and follow the fashion magazines as gospel, be my guest, but please be generous with those who don't and can't, be they women or transwomen. It's about being a person that's most important, and being feminine it relative to your culture.

I'm not being critical. I feel we have to be understanding that our fortune isn't universal and the most important characteristic is about being human, compassionate, understanding, and supportive. The rest is what we started with, learned, and are as we live in the world.

From what I've seen, modern girls want to do all the boys can do AND
be a feminine sexy girl and eventually a super-soccer-mom.

Many of the career women, especially in the big cities, I see are more feminine in their presentation than stay at home moms of the 60's (and even all those that come after.

Women spend more on fashion, cosmetics, creams, health products than at any time in history; they are girly, sexy, confident, they are women... And they roar (see the song "I am woman from 1975).

I think some have an idealized view of how women were in the past.

I work with 87 women on a daily basis. What makes a woman feminine you ask? Well some women dress very girly, and are very feminine pointing out what is cute and what isnt, comparing hairstyles and colors and makeup tips and nails and shoes and .........etc.

Some women are just slightly feminine and just dab a dash of makeup on and wear scrubs.

Some women wear no makeup, don't get their hair done, walk straight and stiff, are all businesslike and serious.

Some women are a mixture of all three. Some are like some men I have met. They curse, spit, talk about who they screwed, and brag on how drunk they got last weekend and they look more girly than many of the women they work with.

I have seen gay men act more feminine than most women I work with!!! I have seen straight men act slightly feminine.

Acting feminine is a personal thing. Some females are more feminine, and some males are more feminine than their counterparts.

Being me has its advantages because women feel very comfortable with  me around and they are themselves. They don't care what they say around me nor do they care what I see. After 7 years I've seen pretty much everything being the ONLY MALE employee in the company. Yes that is right. I have observed and seen things that blew every theory of what I thought a woman was right out of the water. Women are just people and guess what? They are all different. They are just breasted Americans that have more freedoms then their male counterparts have. I know some of the most unfeminine females you would ever care to know, yet they are female. I know some of the most feminine women you would ever care to know as well...and they are less than 5% of the women that work for the company. Most are not that feminine....they are just female.

Now the drug reps that come to schmooze the doctors into using their drugs are a different story. Most of these women look like they stepped out of a page of some magazine like Newport News, or Fredericks, or Victoria Secrets. They look like that 5% I was telling you about. The bigger the drug company, the younger and prettier the reps will be.

When the competition gets going....the tough get very feminine. They work out, get their hair done, boob jobs, and are just drop dead beautiful. What makes them feminine? Competition from other women trying to outdo their beauty. Women have their beauty and they will pull out every trick, tip and fashion idea to outdo the threat. They will act very coy and girly around the male Dr's but when he turns his back, out come her fangs and claws if she senses another drug rep nearby. Its a cut throat industry and these gals are armed to the teeth with femininity.