A bit like Nygeel my priorities are slightly different from most...

I'm not terribly interested in erection/penetration/"play" capabilities for practical purposes — but hey if it makes it look and act more like a real penis then I certainly wouldn't complain Effectively all I want is a realistic looking STP device... so, the most important for things for me are a realistic look (including retractable  foreskin) and a reasonably reliable STP feature, perhaps similar to what the ultimate prosthetic implements (assuming it could be proven to work). I have used other medicine spoon-type devices and generally they work but I do find them a bit cumbersome — something that requires minimal to no fiddling in your pants would be perfect.

In terms of length, because sexual functionality isn't an issue, I would prefer something a bit smaller — probably around 4" max. Maybe it's because I'm so small but anything above 5" seems really huge to walk around with all day, even if you do intend to use it for sex. I'm guessing multiple lengths would require multiple moulds — would you simply offer one size as an average of what people want?

Regarding your  question about hole size it might be worth looking at what Nick from The Transitional Male does. He uses a typical latex/silicone tube and medicine spoon to manufacture his STPs but the hole is a lot smaller than you'd expect. He keeps the tubing slightly recessed into the head so that the hole looks really small but it's close enough to the tip to prevent backflow issues. I'm not sure if that's helpful at all, seeing as I'm not sure whether you plan on using any sort of tubing. I have one of his products if you'd like me to post pictures though?

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on October 17, 2012, 01:31:32 AM


In terms of length, because sexual functionality isn't an issue, I would prefer something a bit smaller — probably around 4" max. Maybe it's because I'm so small but anything above 5" seems really huge to walk around with all day, even if you do intend to use it for sex.

This.

This sounds awesome, I'd definitely be up for joining as one of the 20.
For me, the main purpose is for sex and STP.
As life-like looking and feel, and retractable foreskin would be awesome.
Mainly I just don't want to have to fumble around prior to sex, just whip it out with no need to put in rods or whatnot.
Either a moveable rod or perhaps like somebody suggested the pumps used in erectile devices? Don't know how expensive that would get though.. So basically as close to a biological penis as is possible
One problem I do have with my reelmagik is that because it is only attached at the tab at the top, it swings freely forward, so during sex it's basically not in contact with me, and it makes it more difficult to get a feel for what you're doing. Something similar to the ultimate prosthetic with the tab at the back would be great, so it stays fully attached and fully covering at all times.
I also agree it would be nice to have something on the end to allow us to get something from it, like the pleasure rod from love honey.

Also a decent size for sex, I'm just under 6 foot so I'd want something a little more substantial, but I guess that makes me a minority.
Packing a decent size don't really bother me, so a 6" length for sex would be cool, and a decent girth, maybe 5"?
Thanks for all your help though isabelle and hope this helps a little.
It'd be awesome to finally get something practical affordable and by someone who's had real feedback from us all

Quote from: Elliot on October 17, 2012, 06:06:56 AM

Packing a decent size don't really bother me, so a 6" length for sex would be cool, and a decent girth, maybe 5"?
Thanks for all your help though isabelle and hope this helps a little.
It'd be awesome to finally get something practical affordable and by someone who's had real feedback from us all

Limp penises are not 6" though.  But I see how this is going to be divided between those who just want something to STP with, and those who want a "pack and play"... Both sides valid.

A thought that comes to mind is for there to just be a basic STP model that takes care of the realistic factor & stp.  And then for pack and play an "add on" could be purchased to extend the length (not nec. from Isabelle unless she wanted to create something).  There are product like this for bio men who want to extend their penis during sexual encounters.

I  am not sure what exactly you guys are doing during sex .. are you 'out' to your partners about it being a prosthetic? or do they believe it is 'real'?  Sorry if this is offensive, I truly do not know.  I guess my point is just that if partner knew it was a prosthesis, an extender would be understandable and not so embarrassing?  Whereas if you're having casual sex and people are thinking it is 'real' then I could see how you'd press for the erection mechanism to be built-in.

justcause, I think for most people it's more about the interruption than anything; I don't want to have to stop kissing my lover so I can say 'Sorry sexy, gimme a sec to pump up my dick', or 'sorry lover, need to put an extension on so you can feel it' etc. To do so would just totally ruin the moment, and also remind us both (right when we're feeling good) that what I have in my pants isn't real.

Well I'm thinking 5" might be a good compromise which would work both for sex and packing. Since according to justcause the prosthetic would have to hang lower than a bio penis, a longer shaft wouldn't really affect the size of the bulge much anyway.

Regarding the question of sanitation, in order for the prosthetic to be used as an STP it would obviously cover the vaginal opening anyway, or else we're back to a medicine spoon/whizz receptable. prosthetics which can be equipped with an STP device are already out there (likereal 2012 and lolajake) starting at $250, so personally i'd love to see a different solution and i believe this is also what attracted people to the "ultimate prosthetic".

Extensions really don't work all that well, i once bought one for my packer and it just felt like there was an extra joint in my dick.

I guess what I'm getting at is, there are products out there for packing and Stp-ing (Likereal) and products for pack&play (reelmagik), but there's currently no 3 in 1 model. Of course the flex rod could be an optional feature...

Quote from: emil on October 17, 2012, 01:17:18 PM
I guess what I'm getting at is, there are products out there for packing and Stp-ing (Likereal) and products for pack&play (reelmagik), but there's currently no 3 in 1 model. Of course the flex rod could be an optional feature...

The peacock is a 3-in-1 but I've never heard of someone actually totally satisfied with it.  It's not really a prosthetic and the STP part isn't great at all.

Quote from: Bane on October 17, 2012, 07:21:59 AM
justcause, I think for most people it's more about the interruption than anything; I don't want to have to stop kissing my lover so I can say 'Sorry sexy, gimme a sec to pump up my dick', or 'sorry lover, need to put an extension on so you can feel it' etc. To do so would just totally ruin the moment, and also remind us both (right when we're feeling good) that what I have in my pants isn't real.

^ This
I can cope with the fact that it's a prosthetic when it comes to sex, but I don't want to have to be awkwardly reminded by needing to stop and 'adjust things' around, it's too dysphoric for me and ruins the mood. Thus being able to just whip it out without needing to go get an erection rod is what I'd be looking for. A pump or flex-rod are, for me, a much better compromise.
And although obviously bio guys don't normally pack a flaccid 6", I don't really think it's the length that makes that much difference to the size of the bulge, it's more the balls and girth. My reelmagik is 6" and has never looked like an awkward boner. Obviously not everyone would want 6" I'm just throwing in my tuppence 

Right, we are all just discussing here in accordance with our personal needs. 

The prosthetic being cut or uncut is no deal breaker for me, I'd still buy regardless of the decision.
However, I would have to think twice about buying something that was any bigger than 4" in length. 
It's just too unrealistic for me to feel good about wearing. 
But for those of you who hold sex as a higher priority, I understand the willingness to carry around 6" prosthetic all day.

Some food for thought:
*The average flaccid penis size is no bigger than 4"
*The erections seen in pornos are much larger than majority of people's
*Asian erect penis is around 5"


I wonder if it would be at all viable to offer 2 size options.

Quote from: Alex000000 on October 18, 2012, 12:41:44 AM
The peacock is a 3-in-1 but I've never heard of someone actually totally satisfied with it.  It's not really a prosthetic and the STP part isn't great at all.

So what is wrong wtih the STPs currently available, and how do you feel a 'perfect' STP need be engineered?

I feel like it needs to look and feel as realistic as possible AND be usable for sex.  I would actually value this over an STP function.  Ideally, I'd like something similar to the Reel Magick 4.5 inch (movable skin, prominent 3D floating testicles, highly-realistic and detailed skin, indentation for the bio genitals), but with a better erection system.  The rod doesn't seem real enough to me; it bends at an odd angle when erect, and prevents the penis from flopping about naturally in the pants when non erect.  I want my cock to move when I walk. Hah.  A pump system would be amazing; especially if the shaft got longer and thicker when fully inflated.  I'd settle for a hole down the center of the shaft through which I could insert an STP, vibrator or cylinder as needed, though.  A realistic, yet functional opening at the head would be wonderful (with my packer, I pull the shaft down when I'm not using the STP tube, so that the hole looks normal...this might be an option?).  Also, a movable foreskin and neat, well-punched hair.

The heat-transfer would be great.  I hate feeling like I've just got a lump of plastic down there.

As for customer service, color samples and extensive photography would be the best things pretty much ever.  I know I'm terrified to put down $700+ for something I don't know for sure will match.  Printed colors on a page just aren't the same as the actual plastic.  I want to know, in as much detail as possible, what I'm getting for that kind of cash.

I'd love to know more about the process of constructing such a device.  I also have a few materials-based questions (I'm making a tutorial on modifying packers and could use the knowledge of a professional makeup/effects person).  Can I email you? I hope you wouldn't mind...

You can email me anytime, that goes for everyone, if you have questions or anything that you don't want to post in the thread

Question for trans guys, how would the idea of a small silicone suction cup (smaller than a thimble) placed on the urethral opening be? I'm going to start drawing some things up soon and begin some prototyping

I actually love the idea. If it could work it would remove so much hassle and anxiety with having to faff around with receptacle plaacement etc.

Just curious, but how would you calculate how long the tube/suction cup needs to be in order to ensure it reaches/fits the urethral opening properly? I don't know much about... variance in anatomy but I can imagine people of different sizes may need different lengths. Sorry if it's a stupid question — it's just that I've purchased an STP previously and the tube was a bit too long for me. :[ The receptacle was glued to the end as well so trimming it down was a bit difficult...

The reason I'm persuing that idea is there are devices currently available that work that way but they're designed to stop flow in people with bladder problems. I just need to devise I method of allowing fluid to flow without loosing the seal and allowing fluid to spill. I'm dead set against any type of catheter type tube as it would almost certainly lead to UTI's and irritation.
There are no stupid questions, only stupid people lol kidding. The tube will be replacable and fed down the length of the prosthetic. I'm trying to ensure the majority of components required for non cosmetic functions are accessible, serviceable and replaceable with off the shelf items. It's cheaper and easier for everyone that way

Me! Me! I'm so down for the suction cup thing; if you can find a way to make it work I would love that!

For me look, feel, and use for sex are more important than the STP function though; I'd be happy if just all three of those needs were met. I also agree with nowhereboi; photographs and explainations would make me feel a lot more comfortable with the process, and the idea of putting down a hefty chunk of change. Plus that way we can all contribute.

I haven't posted any pictures yet cause I havnt started making anything yet, I'm still in the concept stage

Of course! I meant more just when it gets to that stage.

Oh, well of course lots of pictures when I actually start manufacturing something some of it will be pretty dull though, machining the negatives for creating cavities in the prosthetic, making moulds etc

Would you be comfortable posting your email here?  For some reason, I can't access your profile or the email function.  Thank you again for taking on this awesome project, by the way.  I'm so excited.

It might be cause you're still a new member? I think you have to make 15 or so posts before your account functions normally.